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user3956566
12:00 PM
@BhargavRao how do you know how many are needed, can you see them?
 
It was meee!
sheds a tear
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Yep, I am using a proxy through a mod's system :P
TBH, rough estimate
 
I guess 5 spam flags + downvotes =-10
 
user3956566
@BhargavRao k thanks.. also do you know a post comes out as protected by 'community'?
 
Is CV-ing the question necessary that the question's been auto-protected?
 
12:01 PM
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW 3 auto-deleted spam posts on it?
 
user3956566
@AndrasDeak ?
 
Er... This is still there: stackoverflow.com/q/36010704 What do you think?
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW I was the last flagger, disappeared right before my eyes
 
user3956566
@AndrasDeak ahh thanks
 
@AndrasDeak Yep
 
12:02 PM
thanks
 
@Adriaan I think so. It attracted new poo which brought it to our attention and it is too broad by todays standards.
 
user3956566
@PraveenKumar I voted it as unclear, perhaps they need to put in some more info, rather than a link
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Right.
 
@NathanOliver 2 votes needed to do that
 
user3956566
@PraveenKumar you can comment id you like
 
12:03 PM
@DavidArenburg which of the 2 answers you think deserves the bounty? I really don't care
 
Yay, there's a Megaman diamond around!
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW No probs. You go ahead. :) I will stay.
 
@Tunaki Back? I am down to 25
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW - lol. I hope that's not a matter of concern :P
 
Nooooooo. We all have been Madara'd.
:( :(
 
12:04 PM
@BhargavRao Just back.
 
@Ferrybig gone
 
How who what? Wow, is that Madara'd again @MadaraUchiha?
 
@PraveenKumar Deleted by community with comment
> User 6066244 destroyed
 
@Tunaki Ah.. I see. User gone.
 
@Tunaki You too low on flags?
 
12:05 PM
50
 
Wow that's exactly 30 seconds... :D
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns what are you discussing putting a bounty on?
 
and facepalm
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW meta SE post
 
12:07 PM
@TimCastelijns (Dave's at work)
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns ah k
 
The nice thing of the system is that he will be notified when he opens chat
 
I should really get around to write the MSO posts about , and
 
Ok people.. See you all later today
 
@TheLostMind Bbye
 
user3956566
12:11 PM
@TheLostMind bye!
 
@TheLostMind bye!
 
TLM cya. c-c-combo breaker.
 
@TheLostMind bye!
 
Sam
Let's not train-ping a mod. :p
 
@Sam Ha ha.
 
user3956566
12:13 PM
@Sam :D
 
@Sam Is it allowed to chain ping a room owner, :D
 
user3956566
@Ferrybig only @Sam
 
^ The above smiley from Sam is only so that you all don't see his cursor above the kick anchor
 
Sam
@Ferrybig Yeah, but we can't destroy your accounts.
 
@Sam Really? Man, I might not run for RO then.
 
Sam
12:14 PM
@Kyll Shhh
 
user3956566
@Kyll but it's not a smiley, it's a tongue poking out face Kyll :D
 
:)
 
@Ferrybig I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Sam
@Tunaki Sorry to disappoint.
 
user3956566
@Tunaki I'm running on the 0.00002% I might win!
 
12:15 PM
> Stop using Java and that will solve your issue. - stackoverflow.com/a/36010933/4099593
 
user3956566
I actually will have palpitations if I become RO, I will be so shocked
 
@BhargavRao I know right :D
 
user3956566
I'm waiting for someone to help poor old @Ferrybig in charcoal hq so I can go to bed
 
@BhargavRao we have a similar user in MATLAB who keeps posting comments "Don't use MATLAB, use R"
 
user3956566
I just can't leave you there with all those reports and no one to categorise them
 
12:17 PM
@BhargavRao Rofl - I thought that was from Hatman
 
Sam
lol
 
@TimCastelijns I don't know really. I'm using the first one just because it was posted first
 
re
@Closey commands
 
@SmokeDispenser Here is a list of commands you have permission to run:
add [user id] to [group name] - Manually adds a user to the given permission group.
alive - A simple ping command to test if the bot is running.
approve request [#] - Approves a pending permission request.
audit stats - Shows stats about your recorded audits.
commands - Shows this list.
current tag - Get the tag that has the most amount of manageable close queue items from the SEDE query.
help - Prints info about this software.
membership - Shows a list of all permission groups, and the members in those permission groups.
 
12:20 PM
@Closey total reviews today
 
@SmokeDispenser Today, 6 members have reviewed a total of 143 items.
 | User                | Review Items Today |
 |------------------------------------------|
 | SmokeDispenser      | 39                 |
 | Mogsdad             | 38                 |
 | Kevin Guan          | 33                 |
 | Undo                | 21                 |
 | Ms Yvette ǝʇʇǝʌʎ sW | 9                  |
 | Ferrybig            | 3                  |
 
@Closey reviews today
 
@SmokeDispenser You've reviewed 39 posts today. The time between your first and last review today was 2 hours, 13 minutes, and 13 seconds, averaging to a review every 3 minutes and 24 seconds.
 
looks lik closey is off by one.
 
@SmokeDispenser It is a know issue. It happens because one of your audits was on a deleted post.
 
12:23 PM
@TimCastelijns Thanks again btw. Your bounty brought two great answers after this post was completely ignored for years
 
Sure thing
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver but then that means you get an extra close vote yes?
 
user3956566
So maybe not a bug
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW I am not sure if it use a close vote or not. It does consume a review.
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW that should be in sync w/ the queue, not the vote count. with more 'leave open' and audits, you differ a lot from 10 votes left after 40 reviews.
 
12:26 PM
Thunderstorms at my place :/
 
@BhargavRao bad ones?
 
IIRC refunding of reviews only happens/happened in the VLQ Q
 
user3956566
hm, yes I am just used to my general votes and close votes occasionally increasing as posts are deleted.
 
@rene IIRC?
 
@SmokeDispenser Nah, I am happy too. It is in the middle of summer.
@PraveenKumar IIRC If I Recall Correctly
 
12:27 PM
IIRC IIRC
 
@rene LoL.
 
user3956566
@rene yes in which case then there may be an extra vote, but the review should count
 
@MadaraUchiha I stupidly flagged my own post for crazy reason. Is it possible to cancel it?
 
user3956566
If I recall correctly @PraveenKumar
 
@BhargavRao then cherish the fresh air:D
 
12:28 PM
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Thanks.
 
have to catch another train ....
 
@PraveenKumar did you trip over the mouse?
 
user3956566
@rene bye see you tomorrow \o
 
@Tuna'd by 2 secs
 
why did I fail this audit? How is that not a off site request?
It even got 3 link only answers.
 
12:36 PM
@SmokeDispenser One word: JavaScript
 
@SmokeDispenser One other word: bounty.
 
@SmokeDispenser "Do I have to create my own JSDoc plugin, or is there a better solution out there that I've missed." The question doesn't ask for tools ("better solution" could simply be code). The answers provide links, but that's another thing. IMO.
 
user3956566
@SmokeDispenser yes I agree 3 link only answers is a poor indictment of the question
 
... while i can see that 'javascript' is a reason for my point of view (like with PHP;)), what does a bounty have to do with the quality of a question?
 
12:38 PM
It doesn't except it tends to attract many votes and answers
It also stops the Q from being closed
 
yeah. well, that should still not make me fail an audit
(at least I feel that way)
 
user3956566
@SmokeDispenser I've failed audits over similar and I don't hold onto it.
 
@EricD., 'what do you guys use', on a way to generate doc.
seems pretty tooly to me.
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW, moving on then. I'd rather click 'Yes, I did understand, but you didn'd'
 
@SmokeDispenser indeed, the question is low quality and borderline Tool Req, but I also understand why it's not strictly a Tool Req.
 
morning.
 
12:40 PM
@SmokeDispenser Generally if a question can be reworded to be on-topic then it's not off-topic
Plop @ryan!
 
@SmokeDispenser The system is broken. It is not supposed to use bounties question but they still get into the audit pool. from what I have seen bounties cause good number of bad audits
 
@ryanyuyu Hiya o/
 
user3956566
@SmokeDispenser yes! I'd rather comment, I think this is not a good question and can't believe it has so many upvotes :D Maybe a meta feature request (joke for those who don't know me)
 
user3956566
@ryanyuyu hi
 
@NathanOliver Not only bad audits...
 
12:41 PM
@SmokeDispenser yeah, we've all run into our fair share of bad audits. They are chosen automatically so...
 
@Ferrybig You've reviewed 40 posts today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 27 minutes and 42 seconds, averaging to a review every 41 seconds.
 
@NathanOliver also me getting 3k;)
 
Oh look at that. Congrats.
 
@NathanOliver ikr, finally
 
Time to hit the queue @SmokeDispenser
 
12:43 PM
@Tunaki He did and hit a wall
 
@Kyll Sorry for the wrong ping so I'm pinging you again.
 
@NathanOliver, I already finished about 130 reviews :)
 
@BhargavRao Looks like a comment?
 
Ms Yvette ǝʇʇǝʌʎ sW passed a audit!
 
12:47 PM
@BhargavRao yeah. I'd call it more of a comment reply, but it's a non answer either way.
I'd be careful with an NAA flag though
 
@BhargavRao NAA would probably be rejected, go for VLQ
 
@BhargavRao Ha. I flagged it yes and linked to the answer targeting it.
 
Would VLQ be a better fit?
 
@Kyll They should be merged either way :)
 
12:53 PM
@SmokeDispenser I'm not sure, I commented
 
@SmokeDispenser i think the rule is yes, but it would be safest if we could get it deleted until an employee can purge the edit history
 
a mod can do that now as well
 
oh yeah?
 
yes
 
32
Q: How to handle a publicly posted API key (or password, or other sensitive information)?

RangadTaking this revision and all earlier revisions of the question as example. The user posted his API key publicly in the question. Talking about this matter in general, what is the correct behaviour here? Leaving the key open on the Internet may possibly impact his site/service or may be used t...

2
 
12:54 PM
@SmokeDispenser "Requires editing" Uh, no. It's unsalvageable, OP does not describe how the code doesn't work, information which no one in the H&I queue can provide
Okay, who's raising the mod flag then?
 
^agree. requires editing is only used if we(the comunity) could fix it.
 
@Kyll I may.
 
@SmokeDispenser Go ahead then
 
@NathanOliver, well, I thought about editing out the private data.
 
@SmokeDispenser You june. We july. They august.
 
12:56 PM
@NathanOliver flagged for moderator attention
 
@SmokeDispenser That doesn't make the Q any better or answerable
 
raising flag.
 
@Tunaki sigh
@SmokeDispenser Apparently @user2314737 already did without warning ^^^^
 
@Kyll, too late :)
@Tunaki, wha?
 
@user2314737 Try to warn us next time, if we all act on our own sides and raise multiple flags we reduce the STN ratio
 
user3956566
12:58 PM
@SmokeDispenser edited and flagged
 
@Kyll what's stn again?
 
@user2314737 Signal-To-Noise
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Same comment =p
 
fine
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW, now we have three flags on that.
 
@NathanOliver I commented on bluefeet's answer
 
user3956566
1:00 PM
oh well, we're trying to protect the person. It was still sitting there, so edited it, and I figured, if it wasn't edited out, maybe it wasn't flagged. It reminds me of dialing 000 or 911, when there's an accident, sometimes people take it for granted someone's called when no one has.
 
user3956566
Maybe not so urgent though :D
 
@rene Congrats on your MSE rep
 
@rene Do you know when that started?
 
january or so?
 
16
A: Allow moderators to hide a revision

bluefeetUp until last week, moderators would have to contact the Community Managers to redact private information from a post, but thanks to Jarrod this is now been turned on for moderators to handle. By going to the post revision page, mods will now see a redact option: Choosing this, you'll be...

 
1:05 PM
@Kyll not sure if I have to be happy or sad, so much time wasted...
 
Hiding a revision with a password or other sensitive data is pointless, really. The info has already entered the wild via feeds. Add a comment telling the OP that, and recommending they burn the PW or key or whatever.
 
@Kyll Cool. Thanks as well @rene
@Mogsdad That has already been done by kyll I believe
 
What?
Oh, yes
 
user3956566
@rene hi again I was expecting to be in bed by now :D
 
... That would make a nice auto-comment. "Sensitive data"
 
user3956566
1:08 PM
@Mogsdad better it's gone than not, the longer it sits there the more it is vulnerable.
 
@NathanOliver Yeah - saw that after I posted. Still, like Kanye, everything I say is precious, so I'll leave that comment there for the ages.
 
lol must resits moving to trash
 
Yeah, you resit that. Lol.
 
do we have enough people to delete it until a mod gets to it? its at 4/5 close votes
 
user3956566
1:09 PM
@Mogsdad lolol
 
user3956566
we were filled with mods a couple of hours ago
 
needs one more delete
 
@NathanOliver I don't know which of the typo or incurred grammar error hurts more
 
I'm out of deletes.
 
@Kyll I wonder how the related feature request will fare
 
1:10 PM
@Kyll I hope they both hurt equally.
 
Maybe he just left out a comma? must re-sit. Moving to Trash.
 
@NathanOliver You have no idea
Deleted
 
user3956566
@Mogsdad he didn't see it!! I think you and I are the only ones enjoying that one
 
Going out for a walk, Bye all o/
 
1:11 PM
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW ;)
 
(@Tuna, have 15 flags, ping me once you are run outta them)
 
@BhargavRao ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
2
 
looks nice
 
user3956566
alright I'll go answer a question, need to get closer to getting delete votes..
 
@BhargavRao Will do.
 
1:18 PM
@Tunaki what have you been trying to say?
 
Attempt at a joke. I know I broke the rules.
 
Ouch. Obvious joke is obvious :)
 
@Tunaki, @Gimby, I still don't get it -.- I'm not going to ask you to explain your joke, though
 
I may, you june, etc. etc.
 
A, I see
 
1:21 PM
too late!
and now it is even funnier
 
@Tunaki you do know you're disqualified now for the RO nominations, right?
fun is not compliant with current SO policy;)
 
well actually I'm just being nice and it was a pretty terrible joke, does that save anything?
 
At least those months were actually named after people.
 
Nice! I nicked @Tunakis nomination by not thinking :)
 
afk
 
1:24 PM
@ryanyuyu ... Were they?
 
i forget June
But Julius and Augustus
 
Oh, of course
 
@Kyll July and august even after the same guy
 
Yeah, but then sept, oct, nov, dec -ember are numeral
 
yeah, but only shiftet by two
thought july and august were the only ones
 
1:26 PM
Why would someone name months according to shifted-by-two numerals?
 
I think the calendar used to start in March a loooooooong time ago
 
Oh.
 
yeah, calendars are weird.
 
@Kyll that's why leap years have an extra day at the end of February
 
@AndrasDeak That would sort of make sense. Who decided that years should start in January then? Gregory the nth?
 
1:29 PM
@Kyll dunno
it also doesn't make sense to cut seasons into 2
 
@Kyll because ceasar.
 
year starting with spring would make so much sense
 
I wonder how to google that question.
 
@AndrasDeak Actually, it would
 
I don't know much about the lunar calendar, but their year started about a month ago.
 
1:30 PM
@ryanyuyu I'm starting on en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calendar
 
Oh man, and a quick link to "History of Calendars"
 
bye @Kyll then. see you in 2 months.
(whenever that is)
 
> The year used in dates during the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire was the consular year, which began on the day when consuls first entered office—probably 1 May before 222 BC, 15 March from 222 BC and 1 January from 153 BC
So yeah, actually Romans were bureaucrats who also didn't make any sense
 
classic
 
1:32 PM
Smoke detector is back
!!/alive
 
@Kyll, well. because: empire.
 
@Ferrybig Yup
 
\o/
Thanks @Ferrybig!
 
sd alive
 
@Ferrybig woo!
I won't ask you to brew coffee for me then;)
 
1:33 PM
> During the Middle Ages, under the influence of the Catholic Church, many Western European countries moved the start of the year to one of several important Christian festivals—25 December (supposed Nativity of Jesus), 25 March (Annunciation), or Easter (France), while the Byzantine Empire began its year on 1 September and Russia did so on 1 March until 1492 when the new year was moved to 1 September.
 
That makes me wonder if the time libraries are aware of that. Let me try...
 
@Kyll this was a lot more involved than I thought.
 
@Kyll, did you watch the CGP grey on calendars and timezones?
 
@ryanyuyu I wonder why I expected any of that to make sense
@SmokeDispenser I did. Did you watch the computerphile on it?
 
@Tunaki, some.
@Kyll, sure.
 
1:35 PM
@SmokeDispenser highfive
 
@Kyll, also the tom scott.
 
Yep
@SterlingArcher Please also provide a reason for out stalking tracking devices
 
@SterlingArcher Don't forget the reason
 
@SterlingArcher Tool rec, or Too Broad, ...
 
1:37 PM
@Kyll, are we finally overcoming the everlasting german./.french thing?;)
 
Or, in that case, no MCVE
 
@SmokeDispenser The who's what now?
 
@Kyll, wait...
 
@SterlingArcher Thanks
When is the next season of that show, I wonder...
 
1:38 PM
Are there keywords for every cv-pls or I just put whatevs
 
@SterlingArcher Just use the reasons already provided by the system
 
Right, but are there designated keywords expected?
 
@rene (or other room owners), you can remove this message as its is no longer relevant
 
@SterlingArcher, those you'd use for voting.
 
1:39 PM
@SterlingArcher Not really I think
@SmokeDispenser Well, France has been at war with pretty much everyone on Earth I think. We hate every country all the same.
=p
 
This answer has been posted multiple times by OP. They're all exactly the same. If I remember well about the recent changes, there's an automatic thing and I don't have to mod-flag anymore?
 
@EricD. If the answers are very strict copy and paste, then no action is needed
 
@Kyll They are. Ok, thanks.
 
@Kyll good for the rest of the world france has always been great at war then;)
 
> duplicate answers (auto) - raised on each duplicate answer
 
1:42 PM
Java Time API doesn't agree with Wikipedia.
 
@SmokeDispenser He says, forgetting the two last wars
 
user3956566
@Kyll replied to your question on RO nom thanks!
 
The first day of the year 1200 is on January for Moscow.
 
@Tunaki bug report!
 
user3956566
1:45 PM
!!/alive
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW plz send teh coffee
 
!!/coffee @SmokeDetector
 
@SmokeDispenser brews coffee for @SmokeDispenser
 
spam ^^
 
lol
 
1:45 PM
Ad for online casino
 
Yay, sd is back.
 
@SmokeDispenser Rofl, nice
 
@NathanOliver how could you resist to comment 'you have to understand recursion before understanding recursion'?
 
@SmokeDispenser That's why he's RO and we're still mere mortals
 
@SmokeDispenser Because I wanted an informative comment
 
1:48 PM
@Kyll :D
 
@Ferrybig removed
afk ... meeting ... (no, I don't work for @gunr2171 his boss)
 
@TinyGiant Chrome still leads the race with 97%!
 

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