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8:01 PM
Gotta go, Cya guys tomo o/
 
@Magisch a legit question that I answered
 
Thanks, just read. Looks like Brad wants to edit-ban the user
 
Yeah, not sure what to do now
 
And he's not actually totally wrong in the "many people just following their gut feeling or the most subjective, arbitrary rules"...
 
true that
 
8:49 PM
@PetterFriberg: Done. — Matt ♦ 1 hour ago
Thanks Tuna!!!!
 
@PetterFriberg Yay \o/
 
That request above ^ makes me really angry by the way
 
I recall having seen that before
Post and user to be honest
Let me try to find it
 
Really?
 
8:58 PM
That is the weirdest post I ever seen....
 
What to do with it...
 
@rene, any thoughts on how I can improve this question? stackoverflow.com/questions/35533636/…
 
@AlexanderO'Mara spam it
Wander at SOVCR, you'll see the weirdest post on Stack Overflow \o/
 
@Tunaki Is it actually spam?
 
Just nuke it
Kill it right there
It needs to die.
 
9:00 PM
@Tunaki This definitely isn't the weirdest thing I've seen on SO.
 
@AlexanderO'Mara if not it is a seed
 
Feels like it's a setup for a spam answer.
 
@Joshua reading...
 
Gone now.
 
thx
 
9:03 PM
@Joshua damn I closed a question jon skeet answered
urge to reopen rises
 
@Joshua That will be hard to be honest. It reads more as a whiteboard/design question and they are not a good fit on SO. They could fly on programmers but check their help and better ask on their meta first. If you want it to stay here you'll need to add actual code and explain which goal you couldn't achieve with that
 
@rene ".. on programmers.." - please explain. What is this?
nvm.. I see it
 
@Joshua I've asked in their chat if they want it.
 
@rene The bolded part reads like a MCVE to me
maybe still too broad but at least not PoB
 
9:11 PM
@Magisch Yeah, I see where it needs to go. I was probably set off by Hans Passant his first comment
 
@rene should we reopen it?
 
I can move that bold section up if that helps. I just thought the background info was needed first.
 
@PetterFriberg Meh.
 
@Magisch I don't think so. It either needs actual code or a trim down on options
Let's see what programmers.se comes up with
They have pretty smart users
I'm only capable of closing stuff
 
@Tunaki recent stinkers batch in hive
 
9:14 PM
Running low on gasoline but will take a look at hammerable ones.
 
no problem we have other people
 
hello @Tunaki
 
Hello @FarazDurrani!
 
My main man Faraz
 
9:16 PM
lawal
 
One vote left @Drew. Keeping for a special hammer that I know will come.
 
DO you guys think putting my stackoverflow reputation point on my resume is a good idea?
 
Ha you read that one
 
If I were you, I would be more worried about getting grilled at a white board on programming, than SO rep
 
9:20 PM
@Tunaki is it allowed to talk about career and resume here?
oh thanks Drew. I have a mentor who trained me on JEE (Servlets, jsps, etc) and Spring MVC and Hibernate. He himself is a Senior Architect in a company (which I wont mention :P). He said that you are going to look for a job called JEE developer or web application developer, and usually you will not be asked to code something during interview
 
As long as you're not spamming, I guess it's okay :)
 
Thanks
 
(OffTopic) Is there a way to turn off the animation for people entering/exiting the room. I keep thinking there's bugs crawling over my side monitor :S
 
Not sure about the "won't be asked to write code in the interview" but JavaEE dev are definitely worth a lot to a lot of companies
 
I am under the impression that only Big companies ask to code something on job interviews. Is that true? Or partially true?
 
9:24 PM
bah that's rubbish
 
Where are you from?
 
Chicago
Illinois
 
No idea there. Could have said for French companies :D
 
@Magisch is different. He had a funny story yesterday. In the states ya get hammered
 
I haven't found any correlation between company size and coding at interview, personally. Except that only big companies ask the dumb fizz-buzz style questions, in my experience. The small ones tend to filter out those kind of applicants before that stage.
 
9:25 PM
Beside the coding question during interview, is it worth mentioning the SO reputation point on resume? Does it put an impression on interviewers?
 
I personally wouldn't do it.
 
sounds desperate and silly to me
 
oh so its a bad idea?
dang
 
More: I don't think it's a good idea.
 
@FarazDurrani See this Meta discussion on putting your rep in your resume (conclusion is not to do it).
 
9:26 PM
@FarazDurrani Interviewers who don't know what SO is won't care, interviewers who do will want to see more than 700 rep.
Now, if you have a couple posts you're proud of, that might be a better idea.
 
@Drew what do you mean by that
furrows
 
That funny interview questions Mag
 
I have 15k, and I'm kinda dumb.
 
I've definitely heard lots of funny stories about interviews in the US.
 
There are really dumb 1 rep and really dump 200k rep
 
9:28 PM
@mech that post is 7 years old. @undo What is okay enough for a junior position? Also, I can only answer newbie questions so no I dont have any post that is amazing
 
but i am reading it mech
 
@Drew "So you like computerz" "Yes" "Excellent, when can you start?"
 
@FarazDurrani Can't give you a number there. If you only post things that you wouldn't be proud enough of for a prospective employer to see... you probably shouldn't give them a way to go see them.
 
Faraz if I were you I would be studying whatever language like 5 hours a day
 
9:29 PM
@Drew Or just work on hobby projects, treating them like a full time job.
Learn a lot that way. Useful stuff, not just arcane syntax stuff you get from books.
 
General consensus I find here is that it's not a good idea. I got it I won't put it there xD
 
Yes. And during that time, increase your capacity for tricky stuff
 
Thank you all for your input
 
Don't forget: Day 1 noob questions are really not helping Faraz
 
ok Drew
btw I have no work experience
zero
 
9:32 PM
What makes you tick Faraz? Is it Java?
 
TBH even the german central bank has a pretty pathethic selection process for hiring programmers
 
I learnt all the language by myself by making home-grown projects
 
Can pass math test? -> hired
 
9:33 PM
Work experience is nice, but you'll find you'll learn the most by making side-projects
 
@Magisch "You've got some eggs and a building, how do you determine how high you can drop them while spending as few eggs as possible?"
 
I made several pointless games, pointless websites and pointless app
 
A: I ain't wasting food, making omelette.
 
I understand that. But right now I am not trying to learn as many programming languages as possible xD
 
I've handwritten SQL inserts for a wow private server once
 
9:34 PM
Just study java and make a cool project. And don't answer questions.
 
so that counts as programming experience maybe
(not really)
 
Right now my focus is to prepare for job interview and prepare my resume and go look for a job
Drew
I dont know if I can post my side project website here
 
Yep. Only start answering questions when you feel confident in yourself and in your programming skills
 
@FarazDurrani Would you reference it on Google? If not, then no. Or at least not as a link.
 
but I did make a side project
and I did post it online
 
9:36 PM
GitHub?
 
no
I didnt post the code
I just uploaded it on openshift
 
Rule 1: use a version control system.
You'll thank me in the future.
 
Lord knows we saw OpenShift last nite :P
 
Drew Drew
you saw that website?
 
@Tunaki I'll thank you now...
 
9:37 PM
is it enough to get a job?
junior or entry level job?
 
@Tunaki I Oops
I've been doing it wrong then
 
That heavily depends on the area you're jobhunting in, and the supply of programmers there.
 
@Tunaki i know but I was working alone and I just make versions on my local computer. Like export to a new project and save it on google drive. that's my version control. But I know what you are talking about (git and github)
 
@FarazDurrani we were talking about openshift last nite for a while :P
 
About 1/3 of my rep comes from explaining what a float in c is
:D
 
9:39 PM
@FarazDurrani You really, really want to be using Git
(or svn, but git is a little easier on the brain)
 
@FarazDurrani Oh even alone. You can't even begin to imagine the number of time my life was saved by GitHub.
 
and git is in interviews
 
I know we were. did you check my website name? That was my side project and experience
 
And later killed by Git because it makes me vomit.
 
no i didn't check it out
 
9:39 PM
Drew can you take a look at it and tell me if it is good enough to get a entry level job?
if you want to
 
@Undo I politely disagree :D
 
sure. Like Tuna said, get a foundation, get an entry level job, life is continuously a learning thing
 
@Tunaki I still use svn... but I guess I'm old....
 
@Undo svn masterrace
We have svn at work
 
yes okay
 
9:40 PM
Oh I use Git but only because I have to because of GitHub.
 
SVN is okay, but coming from Git it's kinda irritating. You can't do as much.
 
SVN at work. So much simpler for my simple mind.
 
thanks drew Tunaki and all
 
I hate being out flags, wish they were awarded faster.
 
Want to add a file in a new folder to a changelist? NOPE! Because mumble mumble filesystem mumble mumble.
 
9:42 PM
you're welcome. sorry again about last nite's confusion. It was funny and memorable
 
That's just the start @mech. After you'll hate being out of close votes. And down-votes. And flags also.
 
: )... I see that I need to take a look at git...
 
Ok reopen peeps ^^^^^^
 
@Tunaki Oh joy :P
 
forget the --changelist option? Congratulations, you just committed a whole crapload of development credentials to a server, and since you don't control the server the best you can do is make another commit that reverts stuff.
/rant
 
9:43 PM
git reset -HARD
 
@rene thanks again for your help and advice.
 
@Tunaki Which works... in git.
 
That's basically one of the only command I understand
 
it doesn't work in svn.
 
with git add and git commit and git push/pull. The rest... too complicated :D
 
9:44 PM
@rene Open again
 
I don't understand it either... but there are enough people on SO that do that I can get by.
 
but svn was a gift from heaven if you where using cvs
 
^ oh yes
 
@PetterFriberg oh, definitely.
 
@FarazDurrani check out aws ec2 free tier. Easy jobs follow
 
9:46 PM
AWS is awesome.
 
checking it right now
 
I run three (!) servers 24x7 now.
Costs me like $4/mo/server.
 
Thanks all. TTFN
 
bye Joshua
 
Drew my website was idle that's why it was not loading but now its fine
 
9:47 PM
openshift sits on aws btw
 
openshift is fine for my purpose
 
@Joshua, its beautiful to see that people care about their questions, thanks to you....
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sure. I am talking about jobs Faraz
 
Yep. Kudos @Joshua!
 
9:48 PM
If you walk into a job interview with months of experience of aws devops, you the man
 
very nice
 
AWS is fun because you can get experience with a whole load-balanced, databased, scaling webapp for pennies.
And without a bunch of hardware and Ethernet cables strung across your floor.
 
And that is a lot more interesting than telling people new to java, hey look, missing semi-colon
At least to me.
@Undo and fear of lightning
 
lol
 
yes I understand
 
9:50 PM
we would have certain bots running here now, were they not housed in grandma's cellar
 
: ), maybe I have some nice servers for you Drew....
 
smokey runs in my closet, but I can move it to EC2 in minutes.
 
seems that it is working just fine from the closet... (don't put any clothes there)
 
Drew who is backend developer?
is it me?
 
Why not : ), front end or back end what do you like the most ; )
 
9:56 PM
What are Java EE developers called? Back end developers?
What is one big name under which all these small names fall?
 
freaks
 
I'm not good at names... but probably GOD.
 
@Tunaki I was away from my laptop the whole weekend, but I see the maven tag was in good hands, as usual ;)
 
@A.DiMatteo Hiya o/
 
@A.DiMatteo Hiya o/
 
9:58 PM
It seems you arrived right on time for that rant question though...
 
i think i will start calling myself a "web mom", because i do everything... just like mom always did :p
 
Is it called Java developer?
 
don't sweat too much about names, half the company don't know nothing about JavaEE and still call it J2EE anyway although the name changed 20 years ago
 
ok thanks. But is it also called back end developer?
 
Yeah it works also
Front-end is technically JavaScript guys
 
10:01 PM
ok thanks
 
Although if you intend to work as a Java dev, you'll work front-end also
 
or just go swinging.... well that FX by now...
 
or that. But I'd rather vomit than swinging myself.
 
@Tunaki Ha ha ha.
 
Hmm, you just lost some points.... web web web.... all good programs are installed programs....
 
10:03 PM
@Tunaki yes I know JSPs and JSTL and Spring TAGs and html tags, etc
 
Anyway, you'll do pretty much anything. From back-end database developement to front-end JavaScript going through whatnot in the middle.
Java in your CV means squat really
 
ok thanks Tunaki I anticipated all that al ready. I am ready for all that
@Tunaki can I invite you to join my chat room?
 
See, the JS/C# guys here starred that message out of context now
 
lol
 
10:07 PM

Faraz Durrani

Everythings allright again
 
coming
 
thanks
 
lol
 
@FarazDurrani beware that nowadays on Linkedin and HR officer becomes a Talent Expert Ninja Recruiter or something similar and the same for almost any position can become some more fancy sexy title, so you can keep it generic and have Java Expert and you would be fine
 
batch115 count=11 is in the beehive
30 questions closed in 10 minutes. That's how we roll
 
10:11 PM
@Tunaki if you really want to impress people, you put haskell on your CV :p
 
@A.DiMatteo The guy edited: stackoverflow.com/q/35541736/1743880 I tihnk it's even worse
 
Rob
Morning
 
@Tunaki he's going around the same point, especially with the last paragraph, the whole question could have 60% less text and be more effective and straight to the point, but nope, more text needs to be written, he's probably a writer in his free time
@Tunaki and that "I'll bite" in the title, still there, don't get it (well, I get it, because of his frustration, but.. I don't get it why it is still there :))
 
@A.DiMatteo Yep...
He has a point. Maven docs could be better. But Stack Overflow is the place to post rants
 
10:27 PM
@Tunaki You have a point to delete it?
I am done with my del-vs...
Now the question is closed and you can delete it.
 
I'm out of del-votes. But tomorrow, I will delete vote
 
@Tunaki Ha ha... Same here.
 
stackoverflow.com/review/close/11353056, is the debugger a valid duplicate?????? this would be a game changer....
 
@cimmanon I saw for the first time Gosu on a cv, few weeks ago, I had to google it. Then I received the Java Newsletter and I found a full chapter on Gosu, couldn't believe it
 
Wait. What's Gosu? xD
Oh by the way @A.DiMatteo, that Maven question is in the Reopen queue here: stackoverflow.com/review/reopen/11353066
 
10:32 PM
@Tunaki look at at this javamagazine.mozaicreader.com/… and it is used by big corporate software package like Guidewire in the Insurance sector, something to stay away from ;)
 
Ha anther JVM scripting language
 
@Tunaki there are like javascript frameworks, like mushrooms I would say
 
Amazing what the JVM can handle really
 
ops, baby crying, have to go, see ya guys
 
I have a weakness for Groovy
Cya o/
 
10:36 PM
Raedwald is closing voting a lot of questions with his debugging question.... (i tend to agree but is this really correct....) hardly a duplicated...
 
Let's give him a gold badge so he can hammer
:)
Ah the rant guy deleted
 
rat or rant? :P
 
The maven one?
 
dont be rude to Drew
 
@mech yeah
 
10:52 PM
 
Oh @rene, did you find that post you were remembering about?
 
No, I might have dreamed about it maybe
I have 5 more minutes before it becomes Monday. I call it a night and I'm off to my bed.
 
Night!
 
@TinyGiant Is there any way to know if a JS function is bindable? That is, to know for sure that it is not an arrow function or that it has been bound already to a scope. I think it'd make a nice question. Also, Plop =D
 
11:08 PM
@Shadow, close vote or answer... if you answer and close vote community wiki could be nice
 
batch29 count=11 cv4 is in the beehive
 
Well, figured out the root cause without mvce. What now?
@PetterFriberg yes, I realised after the vote what the root ca6se is. What should be the correct ction? Retract the clise vote?
 
Judge if question has sense on SO, other can be in same situation??, and understand that they are in same situation... if question is good retract, if not.....
but its better that @Tuna answers if he is still in.... I'm not really a pro... just reviewer
 
I'm unsure. I would expect the OP in such situation to include the create tables for the underlying table. But you can answer the question without it.
 
@Shadow No MCVE. There's no clear problem statement or error
"I'm not sure why it is an unknown column as I know for a fact I have a fname column." is not very descriptive
 
11:13 PM
@Shadow We CV to prevent poor content from appearing on the site. Can this question spawn more good than bad content? If not, it should be closed
 
Which column? What? When? Where? How?
 
Also, you're getting vampired
 
@Shadow, my tip, delete answer, continue to comment under question, ask for more info, then if good ask to reopen and undelete... if not... amen...
 
Very unlikely to help future visitors.
 
@Tunaki the error message is in the title
 
11:16 PM
Typo / unlikely to help future readers. Read: This is useless no one wants to see it again. Lean on it often
 
@Kyll yes, I know, and I have refused to help in the followup question.
 
Ah yes. Agree with @Drew. Typo.
 
note I didn't even look at the quesetion
 
lol
 
queeestion
 
11:17 PM
@Drew thanks, that's better solution, than no mcve
 
Drew is so awesome he can give proper close reason to a question without reading it
 
Ah yeah, typo.
 
I just listen to your pain. Then I know.
 
I'm saddened by answers to typo questions. I feel like I have to downvote them every time, since they're not useful. Right, yet useless.
 
yeehaw WaiHaLee comes to the c# rescue
@AlexanderStepaniuk I am producing batches. Let me know when you are online
 
11:30 PM
That's it for me thx to all, cya
 
Okay. Am I going mad? Is the last paragraph in that Q warranted? stackoverflow.com/q/35543234/1743880
 
I'm actually going to wait 26 minutes to down-vote that Q again.
 
@tunaki do you know Templeton the Rat in Charlotte's Web ?
 
nope
Generally it follows an explanation of some sort. But okay, I'll google :)
> When Wilbur is in danger of being slaughtered by the farmer, Charlotte writes messages praising Wilbur (such as "Some Pig") in her web in order to persuade the farmer to let him live.
That sounds nice.
 
user4639281
11:47 PM
@Kyll Not sure, would make a good question though. I'm sure you could do something.
 
@Drew :D many of the other batches I can't help with, but with C# I will definitely try.
 
@WaiHaLee cc @Drew
@TinyGiant I already know that arrow functions don't have a .prototype field... But that doesn't tell how to identify bindable legacy functions
I'm going to write a question then
 
Alert. Kyll is going to write a question.
 
@Kyll Crêpes. Sorry - obviously clicked on the wrong message. I am mostly on my phone and have fat fingers.
 
How long can it live until it's closed?
 
11:49 PM
@Tunaki It happens like once every 3 months now
None of my questions were closed!
 
user4639281
I even answered one
 
Yep. The context vs parameter one right?
 
user4639281
@Kyll wasn't the dogface one closed at one point?
 
user4639281
@Kyll yeah
 
@TinyGiant Yeaaaah but as a dupe!
And I was the one to accept the dupe, so does it count?
(I'm surprised you remember it btw)
 
user4639281
11:52 PM
Nah, it just means your research skills are lacking :P
 
user4639281
I remember everything (•_•) / ( •_•)>⌐■-■ / (⌐■_■)
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Well, I did know about the Unicode question before...
 
user4639281
I know, just kidding
 
Well, writing the question
 
Hm so you admitted you read the question, but you still posted? That sounds like a question ban is in order.
 
11:55 PM
before i head off, any recent meta drama?
 
user4639281
Yeah, I'm back in town :P
 
@Tunaki I read the question, yet didn't understand why I couldn't use the dogface, so I asked a specific question about a very important use-case.
 
user4639281
dogfaces are very important, didnt'cha know?
 
You should have posted about this CAT FACE WITH SMILING EYES
 
@Tunaki Dogs > Cats
Let the war begin
 
11:57 PM
You're upsetting the cat on my lap
 
user4639281
Screw it, Linux > Windows && Spaces > tabs
 
Clearly not. Tabs > spaces && cats > dogs
 
dogs dont usually shit in the house, they win by default.
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@TinyGiant Agreed
 

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