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3:00 PM
@gunr2171 so I just hit submit pull request? I don't need to change anything?
 
yep, that should be fine
 
okay
boom, I just githubbed
except I still meant to put it in a folder and it's on its own so I will call it a measured victory
 
@gunr2171 My PR is also ready
 
@davidism i believe this is the part where the community/shog comes in and "wah wah, that question is popular, youre evil for enforcing the rules when its stuff we like"
 
@cimmanon ? the question has 6 views and a score of -2
 
3:03 PM
@TylerH I guess he was speaking bout this stackoverflow.com/questions/7043376/…
 
^
 
I've never been convinced by the arguments that off topic questions should be locked and preserved. We're not a museum.
6
 
Yay! Just got a new meta badge.
 
Sam
@TylerH For future reference, if you prefer, you can just go here, click "New file", then follow it from there.
 
@davidism that's what I'm always trying to tell to myself, and then I turn back and fix VFP9 code :(
read: software mausoleum.
 
3:07 PM
.... thanks @Sam
Also, another project is to make a website viewer for the poems
an excuse to learn asp.net 5 + docker
 
@davidism We're a repository of knowledge, and there's some great knowledge that was on topic at one point, but the community's whim changed. The staff still technically runs the show, and the community's opinion could change again
 
Sam
I was half way through setting up the dir when the PR came in, so...
 
so I think saving some questions that the community has found immensely helpful are worth keeping around because of their helpfulness and quality
@gunr2171 what's ironic about no file extension?
 
shrug
I can't be held responsible for things I say 5 minutes ago
 
It's ironic in that it contains no irony which makes the statement ironic.
 
3:10 PM
lol
ok
 
@DavidG that sentence was some meta.
 
@NathanOliver BTW you know that two spaces between sentences is 1) obsolete, and 2) ignored by markup
 
since when
 
Rea​ ​ ​ ​ ​​ ​ ​lly?
 
No pe.
 
3:12 PM
This isn't ELL!
 
@TimCastelijns since computers were invented
 
@kayess Fa ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ ​il
 
It also trims ALT+255 magic :(
 
two spaces was a necessity for typewriters which didn't have kerning
 
I still put two spaces after periods, in the hope that someday everyone's opinion changes again. Remember, they were on topic used at one point.
 
3:13 PM
@TylerH I did not know it was obsolete. I have always used 2 spaces. I did notice it was ignored though
 
@davidism so were rotary phones :-)
 
@JarrodRoberson I'm not sure how that quote related to the linked post, but it sounds like sour grapes from someone who couldn't do this. :-)
A formal parser would be no better, because the input is irregular; Markdown has no "sentence" structure, so I'm searching for order where there is none.
 
@TylerH You don't still hang yours on the wall just so you can look at it and remember that it was popular in the past? ;-)
 
Or the custom close reason already in it
 
@TylerH ...and 3) removed by the Magic Editor!
 
3:15 PM
But seriously, I do like the visual cadence of two spaces after a period. I just find it easier to read, but that might be habit.
 
@TylerH When did 2 spaces become obsolete? Is it because of the internet and HTML?
 
@davidism "How do you make your English paper longer?" "Triple spacing"
 
@davidism I apply the same to sentence ending punctuation marks (except for point of course). I mean to write like this !
 
@davidism my rotary phone? no, I never owned one
I'm not over 50 :-P
 
@gunr2171 You too follow that?
 
3:18 PM
@TylerH I may have been too subtle there, I was still arguing against historic locks.
 
@NathanOliver when GUIs and word processors were invented, basically
 
@TylerH I have a walnut-cased crank-rang party line phone in my collection. Who needs rotary dial?
 
@davidism I know, I chose not to follow down that path because it's not really a comparable analogy
 
@TylerH OK. I am not sure if I'll be able to break the habit.
 
Yeah, just being silly. It wasn't a good analogy to begin with.
 
Sam
3:18 PM
 
@NathanOliver It's okay, I just wanted to point it out
 
@gunr2171 This is what we do in schools!
 
I'm just happy my FR is at +8 already
 
@TylerH are we talking about MD syntax?
 
Sam
3:20 PM
@PraveenKumar Did that pic download for anyone else?
 
@Sam For me too
 
@PraveenKumar why the heck that server returns Content Type: "application/octet-stream"?
for a picture!
 
@NathanOliver Thanks to HNQ
 
Wow. That's cool. I wonder how it got in there so quick.
 
Less traffic today
 
3:23 PM
timing
 
@PraveenKumar I should take a writing class... My handwriting is horrible
 
Sam
So, we actually have .
 
^repost
Reported for attempted star farming
 
Sam
3:26 PM
I don't remember that.
Checks history.
Jan 4 at 10:36, by Thaillie
@KevinGuan The tag exists o_O
Yeah, ok nvm.
 
@Braiam LoL... It is meant to download the image! :P
@Kyll LoL Ha ha.
 
user3956566
can't sleep, wrote this
 
@PraveenKumar Please don't post direct DL links. I about pooped myself when a file started downloading.
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@TimCastelijns I don't know what MD syntax is
 
3:30 PM
markdown, where 2 spaces indicate a newline
 
Sam
Can someone post a screenshot of this post's timeline, please?
 
@NathanOliver ... And I was thinking my browser config bonked again, lol
 
@Sam how to reveal the secret timeline?
 
@Sam Did they add a rep limit requirement to the timeline?
 
@NathanOliver Yay +17 on that: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/316010/1743880
 
Sam
3:32 PM
@Thaillie I get 404'd whenever I try.
 
@TimCastelijns two space followed by a new line is a line break
 
Sam
@TimCastelijns /posts/{id}/timeline
 
Sam
Thanks
 
@Tunaki Hopefully it goes through on of these days.
 
3:34 PM
list of recommendation questions to cv/delv-pls: gist.github.com/davidism/6e0c493c86feba1326a9
 
Sam
@NathanOliver Can I ask how much time there was between the last delete and edit?
 
21
Q: Add Timeline and Revisions links

YOU Screenshot / Code Snippet About Add revision links, and timeline links on all questions post menus. Intended for development features, probably useless when the feature is actually implemented. License probably CC-BY-SA Download http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/97069 Platform Te...

 
@MsYvette Hmm, I'm afraid you'll not sleep better if the responses on that one come-in. You better take a glass of hot milk and honey if you want to have some sleep... sorry...
 
user3956566
@rene :D meh, the original requests to increase from 20 were refused over and over. I don't think we can beat this queue.
 
@Sam The post was edited at 13:59:44Z and deleted at 14:07:07Z
 
Sam
3:35 PM
@NathanOliver Thanks again.
 
@MsYvette forget what rene said. Off to the liquor cabinet..
 
@TimCastelijns ah, no I wasn't referring to markdown syntax
 
@MsYvette Increasing the number of votes is not the right solution
I think increasing the number of reviewers would be better...
 
Do you keep stats about the size of the queue still? It still seems to be hovering between 7-11k depending on the time and day.
 
3:45 PM
I am off to install a robot. Ill be back later
 
@NathanOliver newer Smokey?
 
Sam
@davidism Yeah.
 
@Sam Add zoom possibility.
 
Sam
@kayess You can.
 
What Kyll said
 
3:49 PM
@Sam Tooltip for queue size above the dot
 
Sam
@kayess Drag your mouse over the region you want to zoom.
@Thaillie cc @rene
 
@Thaillie feel free to submit a PR here
I did try to work out to add that but gave up after a couple of tries
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns yeh :D
 
user3956566
@Kyll yeh we say that, but it's a bit like asking teenagers to do housework.. :D
 
Well I am back. Things got a little delayed.
@kayess No an actual robot. like this one.
 
3:55 PM
@MsYvette From all the features request on review que, I tend to like the one (maybe Tunaki proposed), your vote count more if you have a badge in the subject (bronze --> 2 votes, silver-- 3, ecc).. and then user should learn how to post before posting... Its to easy to create account, post what you have in mind... even if you are a "nice" person, i doubt you read all faq.... ecc... Then we need to close OP get pissed of ecc...
 
@MsYvette you know what that's about ^
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg I know, we've all tried pushing in different ways to improve the site.. I just don't see the momentum for change. So if crap is freely able to be posted onto the site, we need the tools to clean it up.
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns I agree Tim
 
@NathanOliver Awesome :D
 
user3956566
@TimCastelijns I'm out of votes, will cast one tomorrow
 
3:59 PM
@MsYvette I love your spirit, but doing more work probably is not the solution, just a patch... need to decrease the work load (less votes needed for example) and block the crap... or atleast teach the good OP how to ask before he push submits... (they could at least be forced to search SO before posting the question)
 
I agree, more votes will likely only help a tiny bit. I bet not many people have ever hit the review count at all, and very few do that on a regular basis. Also, more voted to use up might just cause the dedicated users to quit doing it altogether much sooner due to burn out.
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg I totally agree. But I think we will succeed in getting more close votes before tightening up on newcomer posting rules. And I am all for it. Although [this was misguided]( Do we really want to let the few reviewers out there do all the work? When we should elevate the number of reviews allowed, no matter what algorithm is used.) it follows a similar line of thought
 
We don't need more votes. We need more people.
 
user3956566
I'm feeling like that now, because it's reached a status quo.
 
@NathanOliver What does this mean? This would also fix the bug/issue where when you run out of delete votes while reviewing the answer that you vote to delete does not take it and you cannot recommend to delete.
 
4:02 PM
Do you guys actually agree about something?
 
@Tunaki or less induhviduals.
 
@kayess No.
@Mogsdad Oh god that bug I thought I was the only one.
 
user3956566
I suspect that there is some kind of limiting algorithm in communities (not just online) where the percentage of willing hands does not grow in proportion with the community, but indeed diminishes. Look at the beta sites, compared to a graduated site, compared to a mature older site like SO
 
When you're out of del-votes in the queue while reviewing, there is a bug that you have to refresh the page explicitely otherwise you can't access the next review.
 
@Tunaki I guess I should clarify - I am familiar with the bug. It's the mangled English that I'm asking about.
 
4:04 PM
Oh.
 
Sam
So... I guess we gotta keep advertising then.
 
@Mogsdad I fixed up that last paragraph. let me know if that is better
 
user3956566
There's a lot of people who come onto the site purely to use it for their own end and have no desire to contribute anything other than to suit their own needs independently of the site. And we have to accept that.. when it's open to the entire planet
 
@sam @AlexanderStepaniuk I could use some eyes on chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/28514904#28514904
 
@MsYvette Yeah it difficult to see that you make a difference with 50 CV when the que is 8.1K
 
Sam
4:05 PM
@Drew Sure thing
 
@NathanOliver Yes, better. Is there a meta post about that bug that you could link to, I wonder?
 
@Mogsdad idk. I should try and find one.
 
especially that you need 5 VOTES.
 
Hi again o/
 
4:07 PM
@Drew yeah, I'll have a look
 
Guys with rep 10k+ on MSE, Screenshot plz meta.stackexchange.com/questions/247182
 
@MsYvette This is not necessarily bad, what is bad is that they often are not familiar how to ask, edit question, comment ecc end get down votes, get pissed off and we are left with crap content...
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg well some of the other queues like suggested edits I suspect have more reviewers, as it has a lower threshold (duh that's obvious), but also perhaps some more enthusiasm within that rep range?? just thoughts.
 
what is your favorite music @MsYvette
 
@MsYvette just the fact that the que is lower is an incentive!, see your above statement... maybe its better to not show how big the close que is : )
 
4:09 PM
@BhargavRao @rene has enough rep there.
 
@Mogsdad @rene has more than enough rep there
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg true! that's a good idea :D
 
@BhargavRao here you go i.stack.imgur.com/QA0FA.png
 
@BhargavRao No need, here's a archive version: https://web.archive.org/collections/…
 
@rene Can ya click on that rev history?
 
4:11 PM
Yes...
Now what?
 
@rene ....so should I ask
 
Now take screenshot
 
 
Sam
@rene wth
 
4:13 PM
How did you manage to take a sideways screenshot?
3
 
added it to my FR
 
@rene Thanks
Damn, I should have taken screenshot with rene's onebox
 
user3956566
that question is quite funny
 
@DavidG I turned my head at the moment I clicked...
 
lol
@MsYvette Which one?
 
user3956566
4:15 PM
Who's the design guru, are they diff, I didn't attempt to read the sideways one :D
 
@NathanOliver Worth a link, it might get some attention. Unless we don't like fixing "luxury problems". (Is that one step up from "First World problems"?)
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg I think your idea of not showing the number of posts in a review queue is genius!
 
@MsYvette : ), seems like the thanks comment I get when passing really simple answers..... I don't know if this solve the problems, but probably you will sleep better
 
user3956566
oh
 
user3956566
I just saw the user
 
4:18 PM
@Mogsdad It's already added. hopefully they will get a little spill over. I know we are in the top %.2 but it is still an issue
and look it already got an upvote. unless that was you ;)
 
G'night!
 
Sam
Night!
 
Night!
 
user3956566
I wish I could see the original post now @NathanOliver
 
user3956566
@kayess night
 
4:23 PM
@MsYvette Which original.
 
There, I have 30 MSFT-ish Jailbreak questions out there. I am off to land for Petter and Tunaki
 
user3956566
\o
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver oh they are two halves of a whole my eyesight is hopeless
 
@Drew, I need to run in 30 minutes.. children to pick up, but I can logging around 21.30 CET (I have kept a far amount of votes for you...)
 
updated the poetry repo
 
4:32 PM
Ah, I need to update the fork
@gunr2171 Ain't it better if we add the permalink along with the poem in the Archive? (cc @Sam)
 
@BhargavRao maybe. I know at some point I would like to work on a website that shows the poems better, and that can include a link back to the source
 
@gunr2171 Where do we and How do we add the permalink in the md file?
 
user3956566
where's our poetry?
 
shrug, haven't established any standards yet. Maybe just add the link to the bottom of the poem?
 
4:39 PM
@gunr2171 that sounds fun
 
user3956566
@BhargavRao omg LOLOL
 
Making changes
 
a mock-up of the front page
 
boooo codepen
brb going to the bathroom while the backend loads
 
is there something better?
 
4:41 PM
they all have their ups and downs
 
@TylerH Wouldn't the backend unload there?
 
codepen just gets more and more overhead as time goes on though
@Mogsdad zing
 
Damn, pulled in the wrong direction. Sigh
 
Potty jokes. That's what we've come to.
 
Pushed?
 
4:41 PM
@BhargavRao oh, I was going to ask what that was about
 
:28515446 I'm not sure what makes you post something and then delete it but unless it turns out someone got very offended by it can't you just leave it there? If it gets too much off-topic one of the RO's will tell you so. cc @PetterFriberg
 
that's a huge header btw
 
@gunr2171 It's like the 4th repo I am doing that mistake :/
 
@gunr2171 codepen used to have the advantage of working in old opera, but since the last "update", it stopped working. sassmeister is probably the least shitty option i have seen, but it doesnt allow the use of javascript
 
maybe, I'll go have my food and then do this stuff
AFK
 
user3956566
4:43 PM
@rene it's because I was asking questions about those meta images and when I zoomed in I found the answers. And the other comment to Petter was about my daugher hopping into bed with me in the middle of the night, I posted it then deleted it, as I thought people would be annoyed.
 
@rene Ok its was parents speek about their sweet children chat... so fairly off-topic.. but sharing some love.... ; )...
 
@BhargavRao so you know, if you use only the browser you will never have your forks be "even" with your source repo. Only with local command line tools (or gui) will you get your fork to be updated without pull requests
 
@PetterFriberg I'm offended. That you'd spell "speak" that way.
 
I don't want to change it since it has @ in it...
 
user3956566
I simply ask a lot of dumb questions and when I realise what the answer is I delete it, or I think I'm annoying people when no one comments, so delete it to clean the place up
 
user3956566
4:45 PM
Who is offended?
 
JAL
Does anyone know if there's a way to search for posts tagged with one tag but not another? for example, I want to find questions tagged with which are not tagged with
 
[youtube] -[youtube-api]
 
JAL
ty
 
yeah a neg sign but the space matters
 
Or http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/youtube not youtube-api
 
JAL
4:47 PM
oh that's cool too
 
@MsYvette You can talk a bit about what keeps you occupied, a lot of members do that here all the time. What makes me jump is the posting/deleting stuff because I assume I missed something serious. I'm fine with posting a nvm, found it instead, I don't think that is dumb or annoying at all.
 
btw @gunr2171 You don't need that footer spacer. You can just use border-top: 5px solid gray; in the CSS for the footer instead
 
oh yeah, good idea
 
shadowDOM guy to the rescue
 
I worked on that code a month or so ago
 
user3956566
4:52 PM
@rene essentially I have immense difficulty understanding how to fit in, so deleting things is my way of reducing my noise level. But that's all that needs to be said here.
 
@Drew lol
 
@MsYvette Same here. Its not that we are upset about what you are posting but (at least for me) when I see a deleted message I check it to make sure nothing bad is going on.
 
reminds me of a funny image I saw on Facebook. "Anxiety Girl! Able to leap to the worst conclusion in a single bound!"
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver I know you can read them all.
 
user3956566
@TylerH perfect!!!
 
4:53 PM
@gunr2171 Have you ever used Haml? Lots of people who use Sass or Less also like to use Haml for HTML as well
(I have never used it)
 
@MsYvette In the words of Felicia Day: You're Never Weird on the Internet
 
what's funny is that that Less is like 100 lines but compiled into CSS it's like 77 :-)
 
user3956566
Felicia Day, is that a day of the year where everyone's called Felicia?
 
@MsYvette please fit in in the way you want to do, it is for our members to make some room for that. If you're making to much noise we will one-box give hand signals.
 
4:55 PM
@MsYvette no, its a semi-famous person ><
 
user3956566
I'm sorry guys, I know I'm full on and difficult.. you're all very tolerant. I don't mean to be, and work really hard at being normal, whatever the hell that is... :D
 
Let's not hope that we all get normal, I suspect that to be pretty boring...
 
agreed
 
Quest unlocked: keep users from going "normal"
2
 
Who cares about normal when imdb has crashed and I don't know which shows to watch:(
 
5:03 PM
switch to anime
 
@MartinJames rottentomatoes
 
@gunr2171 I'm not going Mysticial:)
 
user3956566
I'm not always that well, in the head. I strive very hard to maintain an even keel and if I cannot then need to take a breather from online activities. And this is my own personal thing, nothing to do with SO. But it explains my weirdness.
 
@MartinJames Madara then?
 
user3956566
^^ please don't star that LOL
 
5:05 PM
@Braiam lol
 
dont say anything you dont want starred (btw, i really want to star it now) :D
 
you still have a typo... still there
 
there :p
 
user3956566
@cimmanon hehe yeh I admit it I'm a bit on the crazy scale.. and I'm trying to not condemn myself publicly..
 
@MsYvette IRTA 'condom myself publicly..'
 
user3956566
5:07 PM
It's shame people can't just say they have mental health issues.. you can say you have a broken arm, but broken brain is not as sexy
 
but it is tasty ;)
 
user3956566
@MartinJames hehehehe that's hilarious
 
Mebbe I spend too much time in the Lounge:(
 
I love broken brains, some of the coolest things happen with broken brains
 
user3956566
@MartinJames I'd fit in perfectly in the lounge, which is why I don't dare. I'd be chat banned in no time flat
 
user3956566
5:09 PM
yeh but when broken brains go bad, usually there's a huge fight on meta LOLOL
 
@DavidG Ah.. maybe there's a new iZombie episode to watch:)
 
user3956566
and a 20 year ban from SE
 
@MartinJames Do you watch Limitless?
 
A jasper report question dropped in so I HAD to answer, now time to run, cya later. @Drew keep some nice stuff for me..... @MsYvette bet time for you... : )
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg bye lovely! \o
 
5:10 PM
Watch the new X Files
 
@NathanOliver First episode of that is a travesty to film making
 
user3956566
ok I'm off to bed again...
 
@DavidG Nah - I watched the first couple, but didn't enjoy it all that much. iZombie is just funny enough to watch, if only for all the different brain recipies and food preparation.
 
@DavidG It gets better. Last nights episode was fun.
 
Sam
Cya tomorrow/later today/whenever
 
5:11 PM
Bye
 
@NathanOliver I'm getting it, [checks, 6.6%]
 
@MartinJames torrenting?
 
@Braiam Yeah, but I have the d/l limiter on 'cos crappy bandwidth here.
 
@MartinJames do you have packet lost?
 
5:15 PM
@Braiam No, reliable connection, but I only get 8 meg on a good day with a following wind. No fibre here:(
 
@MartinJames bummer. I DL'ed 8GB from home the other day in 45 minutes.
 
CELL Count(U/D) : 49338145/4911078
CRC Errors(U/D) : 105/308299
HEC Errors(U/D) : 16/65395
FEC Errors(U/D)  : 0/0
Error Seconds(Local/Remote)  : 24/0
@MartinJames this is crappy ^
 
@NathanOliver We're on ADSL ~ 2km from switch. The switch has its umm.. 'issues'. The bulding has been flooded, a tree fell on it and rabbits ate the cables. It's 'less than performant'.
 
lol. that stinks. I have broadband and we are the first stop from the hub. until comcast started rate limiting modems I was getting up to 25mb/s and was only paying for 12mb/s
 
@MartinJames wait, that's reliable?
 
5:21 PM
@NathanOliver Yeah. I had this job in Market Harborough and I rented a flat for 6 months next to the switch. I got 24 meg. It was great!
 
@gunr2171 Yeah, It totally <5 letter word starting with s rhyming with rocks> :(
 
sings?
sting?
 
Clarified :D
 
stocks
 
Socks
 
5:23 PM
You guys suck at counting
 
@Braiam ATM it's reliable from day to day. Very few errors /retrans reported by modem. Tomorow, of course, some truck will run over the switch or an aircraft will crash on it. It's a very unlucky building.
 
@DavidG gunr, not me :P
 
:28516615 No wonder you are bad at poetry ;) ships does not rhyme with rocks.
 
Sam
Yeah, just saw that part. lol
 
@BhargavRao Well, depends if you take <5 to mean less than 5 :)
 
5:25 PM
yeah... the <# words> :( confuse
 
@gunr2171 Is this PR Correct?
 
looks fine
 
Of course the trusted user page doesn't have any guidance on this: Is it okay to delete vote a wrong answer?
 
@DavidG <a 4 letter word rhyming with luck>
 
puk!
 
JAL
5:27 PM
my funbox of the day:
 
@JAL Should have asked how to filter porn IN and then reversed the conditions. Would have got better/quicker results.
 
JAL
lol so true
 
@JAL Shame on you. One boxing to a Q with a typo in the title.
 
JAL
hey, i unboxed
 
5:30 PM
@Braiam You should have added [porn] tag
 
Sam
@JAL Father Rene will forgive you, if you pay in stars.
 
@BhargavRao I'm not sure the user use maven
 
Lol
 
JAL
lol
 
loL
 
JAL
5:32 PM
lo˥
 
JAL
747
> I think is calling this class, I'm not good with clasess...
 
@JAL Laughing out pnoן
 
JAL
I hate it when an asker accepts a bad answer that I flagged. More declined flags for me!
2
 
5:41 PM
meh
 
@Braiam Nopes...
 
cc @Sam
 
@Yam Went from unclear to a tool req
 
> tool
 
5:59 PM
@NathanOliver unfortunate typo, now pay me for your mistake.
 

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