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12:08 AM
SO has 13 million questions now.
 
@QPaysTaxes No. It's translating to "At your service sir"
 
@AlexanderO'Mara :'-(
 
@Olaf If I would really had used the idiom, that'll be massively more rude :)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ More rude than ...?
 
@Olaf "Is scho guad, mach'ma wias'd magst. Ned das Di nachher beschwerst Du Depp."
 
12:17 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ I thought you meant the phrase you stated. Sure, you can always top it.
 
@Olaf Explicitly stating servility should be considered a hostile attitude, since we've overcome slavery and colonialism (I at least hope so).
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Have we?
 
@Olaf I'd like to have a talk with D. Trump and calling him Sir all the time annoyingly (while meaning you pimpless whimp) :D
 
Let's not anger that guy
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I don't think he would care. But there is no need to refer to a foreing country. I know some Hartz-4 receivers who have some very specific thoughts about "we have overcome slavery".
 
12:25 AM
Gaming.se has weird titles... gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/295122/…
 
@JanDvorak I'm givin' a shit angering that guy!
 
@JanDvorak Alcohol might help for a short time.
But next day the brain fights back.
 
I don't really know where that Sir calling attitude comes from (merely education as mentioned may be). But in opposite to perceive that as a mention of respect, I mostly feel it's pure disrespect. Similar as someone telling you "Nice shoes".
 
Let's ban all niceties.
(also, false title)
 
@JanDvorak That's fluff and noise distrcting from the facts, yes.
 
1:33 AM
waffles
 
 
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2:54 AM
Has anyone noticed that users with the a username appended with MSFT are editing tags for into questions?
Not the same one either, multiple users with MSFT in their username
 
Rob
Yeah, and they all appear to work at 'Wicresoft', rather than Microsoft
 
They all seem to have a decent amount of rep too
Like it's not new users
 
 
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4:26 AM
Can I borrow a mod?
 
@Joshua Welcome! I'm not a mod, but what do you need a mod for?
 
Something's gone sideways and I don't want to say anything really stupid.
 
We don't usually ask mods to do things for us in this room; use an "Other" flag instead.
 
I need to talk this one out with somebody.
 
@Joshua I see. It doesn't look like there are any mods in the room right now. If I were you, I'd raise a flag that summarizes the issue and asks them to invite you to a private chat room.
 
@MaňishYadav Hello! Can you please format that as [tag:cv-pls] <reason> <link to post> so our bots and scripts can detect it? Thanks!
 
^^
 
5:10 AM
@NobodyNada sure thanks
 
5:29 AM
Today's AOC looks like fun...
 
 
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7:02 AM
...aaaand it's got a "Too Broad" CV on it
 
7:18 AM
I need someone for a quick spam-review in the CQ please.
 
8:05 AM
The Russians are everywhere ...
 
@rene Ninja'ing again...?
 
wondering why I got the blue feet's hat?, (blue in the face)
 
Because you love penguins?
 
what is she famous for?, anything special any memo?
 
She is famous for her moderation style on SO and in-depth knowledge of SQL Server.
 
8:25 AM
@Tunaki please chime in here, your edit action is debated by the OP.
 
Morning \o
 
\o
@rene while at it also this stackoverflow.com/questions/22551207/… maybe?
 
sure
 
8:43 AM
@rene Thanks rene. Just spotted @Seth answered with my reasoning anywya
 
@Tunaki =)
 
Hiya
 
9:25 AM
smokey's on fire!
four flags in 2 minutes over breakfast, Go Smokey!
 
@Adriaan lol, the you should see NatoBot.... 20 flags in 2 minutes...
 
@rene he self-duped?
 
yeah
 
brilliant
 
we all have bad hair days ...
 
9:28 AM
@rene not my uncle, he doesn't have hair
 
That's the ultimate bad hair day
 
No hat for reopening? Only for reopening when edited? Shame.
not sure?
 
@Adriaan Spam.
Check MS, there are 3 other reports with the same link.
 
k, ta
 
I commented there as well
 
9:38 AM
yes, to nudge the spammers to write original content ...
How clever
Spam on SO increased by 80%, useful, high quality posts increased with the same percentage
 
@rene of course, we need to keep the game alive.
 
@Adriaan meeh I think you get a hat for reopening... check again..
 
@PetterFriberg ohh, yes, I did by now!
 
only Tuna do not get hats these day...
 
I disabled hats
 
9:46 AM
as did they other Frenchman
 
meeh you could have gotten the swim feet's I got... seems useful in the water
 
you are a weird people
 
TY, I still don't have access to that..
 
@PetterFriberg do you get those for annoying Bluefeet?
 
9:48 AM
I have no clue, must be flagging, editing or passing comments... since I only do that by now...
 
hmm, that's what I have done as well...
 
Another to be reported or NAA ? Using (sqrt x) in Lisp code
 
@kayess I went for rude
 
to me report... unreg user, but does not make much difference
lets feed smokey some : )
 
9:51 AM
Looks OK
 
How is it not a comment though ?
 
that ^
 
Could have been a comment != Is NAA
To me at least
 
LQP wise is a comment to me
 
@kayess "point the package manager to the location on the memory stick!
 
9:52 AM
@PetterFriberg Yes that makes it an A, a "?" isn't : )
 
meeh same thing...
@kayess To me the comment reason need's to be an answer asking about clarification of post with no solution.
Try this, maybe it works is an answer maybe not the best one, but still suggesting a solution
 
@PetterFriberg New profile picture? (Let me guess that you got some swag for: stackexchange.com/about/security ? :)
 
@Rizier123 no, no swag for me : (, just wanted hats on hat..
 
@Rizier123 why's @rene on that list for 2016, whilst his blog has its latest entry in 2010?
 
@Adriaan Don't ask me ask the flower :P But IIRC PetterFriberg and rene got on the list at the same time for something they discovered.
 
10:06 AM
@Rizier123 no only rene...
 
@Adriaan I got my priorities mixed up?
 
I'm surprised BR is not on the list for the chat stuff thingzzz.. (He found a way to read stuff in private mod chats)
 
@rene I'm not saying you should blog more often, I'm just curious as to why they link to an external blog of yours you clearly haven't updated in years, as opposed to simply linking to your SO account
@PetterFriberg he became a mod? :P
 
@Adriaan Maybe that is to protect the innocent?
I dunno
 
 
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11:32 AM
Is there a meta about this "bug" ? puu.sh/sWtCV/09e686b42e.png
 
@Adriaan You got It Lives? How did you?
I want that too.
 
11:47 AM
@kayess looks fine to me
 
@kayess Freaking hat-hunters :o
 
after New Year it will be Shog's avatar
 
@rene I'm on FF50.1
 
@kayess No Repro...
 
@Seth : >
 
11:50 AM
@PraveenKumar magixz :P
 
Meh, might be some SE specific userscript, and yes disabling SOOF user script fixes it.
 
@Adriaan Go they live.
 
12:13 PM
@PraveenKumar: What the hey?
@PraveenKumar: Was the edit suggestion grace edited after you reviewed it?
 
12:30 PM
@NisseEngström LoL. Could be.
Coz I didn't approve that kinda edit.
 
Morning
 
Morning
 
12:48 PM
@PraveenKumar I'm pretty sure it has happened to me a few times.
 
1:05 PM
@DalijaPrasnikar done
 
@NisseEngström Yea!
 
This request should be trashed, as the OP has edited the Q: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/34719348#34719348
I never remember how I'm supposed to put in a request to trash a cv-pls request that is no longer applicable. Am I supposed to ping someone, use a specific tag, do it like I just did, something else?
 
@Louis Just ask and we shall move. Thanks for checking back on it.
 
Ok, I'll try to remember that it needs no special ceremony. :)
 
Yeah. Normally it does not come up so we have no formal procedure. We also move all request after I forget how many days and that handles the ones that most people felt were not bad enough to close.
 
1:17 PM
Greetings, Is this question too broad? I don't think so.
 
I believe it would be if asked today
 
@Styvane it lacks research and an MCVE as well.
 
@Styvane I think a better question here is "If we reopened it, would future answers be beneficial?" It has one really good answer and 3 deleted answers.
Closure simply means we're not taking new answers for it. There's no danger of it being deleted
 
@Adriaan The question is 5 years old 2 years after the technology first release so lack of research maybe.
 
Wouldn't delete though
 
1:26 PM
@Machavity There is only one possible and sane answer to the question which is there.
 
@Styvane I tend to agree with you, seems like a valid question.
 
@PetterFriberg I kinda view it in a no-mans-land. I don't know that I would proactively close it if it were CVed, but I don't know that it's worth reopening as-is
 
not so sure that "needs no more answers" is a valid reason to keep closed..
meeh voted to reopen, so I can flag some new NAA answers : )
 
1:42 PM
@PraveenKumar Actually it should be no repro. See the comment on the answer. It was a breaking change that was fixed after 3 days
 
@NathanOliver Hmm... I agree with Praveen's close reason. The question was off-topic in the first place. Some service used to work and then it suddenly does not. That's a service support request, not a question for SO.
 
I agree but know that we know what the problem is why not close it for being no repro?
sd k now
 
spammer!!!
 
But I digress. Getting it closed is what we really want so both work just as well.
 
I don't get why people vtc as "request for external resource" when someone asks for sample code (no, not a link to sample code, just sample code). Many of my answers provide self-contained "sample code".
Usually, those requests are too broad.
 
1:50 PM
The way I look at is a link to a git answers the Q and we do not want link only answers so I close as a resource request.
 
2:22 PM
Heh. Someone has a CV on that Solstics Docs post on Meta. Good luck closing a thread started by a CM
 
omg. vtc as unclear... sigh
 
@Louis Yes, ping a RO please, otherwise we might miss it
 
user3956566
2:40 PM
a link only high voted stackoverflow.com/a/4191774/3956566 what to do?
 
@YvetteColomb Edit it to provide necessary info in the answer itself
 
@YvetteColomb personally either leave it alone or edit.
@Cerbrus Is that not code related?
as in a programming tool
 
"What does this GUI feature of this tool mean?"
That's off-topic.
 
It is a programming related tool though. Keyboard shortcuts for indention in an IDE are on topic.
 
It's like asking what an file icon means in <insert your IDE here>
 
user3956566
2:46 PM
thanks
 
And now the OP even removed the screenshot, making the question unclear.
Ah well, deleted by OP.
 
@YvetteColomb @Cerbrus @Nat \o
 
user3956566
\o
 
\o
 
2:50 PM
 
Am I doing something wrong in this review?
 
No, "It Looks OK"
 
It's quite a crappy answer though
 
morning!
 
Plop gunr!
 
Hiya gunr
 
That poor question now gets loads of answers, poor answers.
 
3:22 PM
helloooo
owo
 
Plop
 
stuffs face with chocolate
 
o/
 
(owo)/
 
3:47 PM
is SEDE timing out for anyone? Trying to run this query data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/225883/…
 
> Invalid column name 'maven'.
 
@Tunaki wut?
you need single quotes surrounding it
 
oh
Nope it works
I guess it depends on the tag
 
yep, for single tags seems to work
 
That's not at all a duplicate @JarrodRoberson
 
4:55 PM
@Undo I checked it to find a lot of code injected. So I thought it was vandalization attempt.
 
@PraveenKumar In general, maybe spend more than eight seconds on reviews before rejecting stuff.
 
@Undo Actually yes... Will do. There were other factors too! #Hats
 
@PraveenKumar Hats make zero difference.
 
@Undo I know.
 
Hats are a terrible reason to do things differently to what's normal...
6
 
5:03 PM
@ArtOfCode Are you criticizing my TF2 career?
 
@Kyll Absolutely :)
 
@Kyll I am, you and your scoot
 
Keep bugging me and I call DemoKnight in chief Madara.
 
@Kyll Bzzzz, Bzzzz
 
@ArtOfCode Lies. They have a waffle hat for earning 11 hats. That is totally worth it
 
5:07 PM
@Machavity Objection, Your Honour.
 
Gawd
Making a disk-wide backup of an encrypted drive is a pain
 
5:35 PM
^ Extreme PEBCAK addidtionally.
 
@ArtOfCode Is there a better reason?
 
@JanDvorak "exceptional circumstances"
 
Hats are exceptional circumstances... by definition
 
User spamming Documentation techdigi What is the proper way to alert mods, or they will get alerted anyway by rejecting changes as spam?
 
@DalijaPrasnikar mods alerted
 
5:52 PM
@ArtOfCode By me posting here or automatically?
 
@DalijaPrasnikar I went and pinged a mod in teachers' lounge
 
@ArtOfCode Ah, thanks...
 
6:20 PM
Anyone mod flag?
 
@NathanOliver For what?
 
Yeah, I've modded my flags. They show up with sparkles on the moderators' dashboard.
 
That last sd report. Looks like the guy wants his account deleted.
 
Ah. No, I did not raise a flag.
@NathanOliver User was suspended though so a moderator did something.
 
Ah, Good. Hopefully they learn
Not sure if we should delete those. If they are highly down voted then people who may not know and have code like that will see it and go, "omg, i need to fix that pronto.".
 
6:39 PM
@NathanOliver If it were the topic I could see it. But the Q isn't asking for that. It was offered as an alternative
 
Good morning!
 
yo!
 
Hello! Here is your complimentary toast hat.
 
As always that guy asks borderline questions (opinion based, too broad): stackoverflow.com/questions/41269629/…
 
7:13 PM
Yeah I have not been liking his questions lately
 
this is getting kind of close to moderating users
 
Yes, lets not do that. My fault for not saying something.
 
@NathanOliver Since I answered I''ll leave it to others to close that question for the mentioned reasons.
 
btw AFAIK anything relating to tuples can be done with pair like get.
 
what you mean to say is "btw AFAIK anything relating to tuples can be done better"
 
7:16 PM
@NobodyNada Hmm, well it was just for stating an observation. I already hesitated to say so, but well, it's a fact. Let's focus on that particular question please.
@NathanOliver Not the other way round?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Right, it was just a fact, but it was a fact that we'd prefer not to discuss here.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ No since there is no first or second in a tuple.
@gunr2171 lol
afk
 
@NathanOliver "AFAIK anything relating to tuples can be done with pair" Did I misread that?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Anything that you can do to a tuple you can do to a pair. There are things you can do on a pair that cannot be done to a tuple.
@JarrodRoberson He is asking of there is a function in the slack API to do what he wants. To me that seems reasonably constrained. Its like asking if there is a standard function in java to convert a string to lower case.
 
JAL
7:38 PM
Huh, today I learned about the tag
 
I guess that happens when a CM/Dev uses the remove tag from all questions button.
 
> All questions in the system must have at least one tag
sounds like a design flaw
 
JAL
@NathanOliver I think it also happens when a question is migrated and the current tags don't exist on the migration site target
 
Makes sense
 
JAL
at least that's what I think happened with that security question
I dunno nothing
 
7:41 PM
I know things, just not these things ;)
 
JAL
ha!
 
oi, you deleted that just as I was gonna click it :/
It's like clickbait-and-release
 
does someone need to be kicked ;)
 
I need to make a tamperscript that stops that
 
7:56 PM
heh "Java("NOT_ANDROID")"
 
In reference to what.
 
8:10 PM
I always hate the gray zone of garbage questions with garbage answers.
 
@Compass IMO, yes.
 
The whole thing could probably be tossed, question and answer..
 
Well, I'm not tagging a cv-pls on a java question unless it's REALLY bad, simply because Java's a wasteland either way.
2
 
@Compass I would have flagged VLQ, but I guess it does not make much difference NAA seems ok to
@Compass it's not the only wasteland ; )
 
It's a pretty big wasteland.
It's a miracle I can find answers half the time.
 
8:23 PM
BR is on holiday the LQP queue is up again to 140 posts, I wounder if there is a relation...
 
Just curious: why isn't there a flag for unclear what you're answering?
 
there is, it's NAA =w=
 
Hey there guys!
 
@Glorfindel oooh, yeah I'm missing this flag a lot...
 
(owo)/
 
8:36 PM
Is this channel a place to list poor questions that should be closed or what, exactly?
 
FAQ is there. Is a bit more complicated.
 
I still don't understand. If there's a question, as an example, I think is a poor question and should be VTCed (since I don't have enough rep yet on SO), do I post it here or what? I mean, before flagging it.
 
You can flag it is a low quality and it will enter the CV queue. You are certainly welcome to post it here, but it may or may not be closed faster given that our close votes are ostensibly limited in number
 
Limited? Why?
 
50 CVs per person per day. And most of us are active in the review queue as well, further limiting the # of CVs we can use.
 
8:40 PM
Oh. Didn't know that was a thing.
Is this global on SE?
 
No, just per site.
 
@TheBitByte Hi. Yes, if you find a post that really needs to get closed, you can bring it up here to help it along. But we want to stress that this should not be the norm. There is already a CV queue (although it's not the fastest moving system, hence the point of requests in this room)
A normal CV flag or vote will launch the post into that queue, and sometimes it actually makes it through.
 
@gunr2171 I see, I was just saying like since I don't have enough rep yet, is flagging a post enough or do I post it here too for more visibility?
 
Flagging it will get the ball rolling.
 
Alright.
 
8:42 PM
yes, flagging is fine
 
We'll get to it eventually hopefully assuming no one gets into a food coma.
 
and now I'm hungry
 
Kinda strange tho how you guys bothered to make your own site and all.
You put some effort into this, not easy for everybody to do.
 
Here, have this piece of toast I was wearing as a hat.
 
You can't send hats in the Winter Bash, or can you?
 
8:43 PM
it's for formality. We need to act professional because our room when not regulated can turn in to a voting mod. We need strict rules and procedures or else meta is going to shut us down.
that already happened once
we don't plan on letting it happen again
 
Wait, you shut down once?
 
it has been frozen once or twice too
 
We had a...disagreement with a CM, and the room was frozen for a few hours.
 
but to be clear "meta" can't shut us down
 
Oh, what happened?
 
8:45 PM
just a CM or mod who listens to the pitchfork crowd instead of involved parties only
 
The great cat war of 1972.
 
a dev could too I suppose but they don't ever use mod powers here
 
It's a long story, rather not get into it
 
@TylerH Reminds me of a certain group of mods on a certain SE. They joke around in their chat basically 95% of the time, when I join in on the fun I get kicked. When I reduced my joking around, or kinda stopped doing it, still kicked. Have been kicked dozens of times now.
 
Best to let sleeping dogs lie
 
8:46 PM
@TheBitByte "You're not a regular" it is the common reason.
 
nibbles on toast
 
@gunr2171 I'm a semi-regular who spends lots of time in there.
 
shrug
 
The last time they kicked me out was a whole year ban, still in effect and will be for a long time. I began to notice how I'm not only banned from their chatroom, but for all chatrooms ever, kind of, even the ones I rarely post or never posted in.
 
Ehhh
 
8:50 PM
I'm even afraid of bringing it up on their Meta. The last thing I want is a full ban on their main SE too, where I'm an active, normal user.
Now i have to wait like 300 days (not a typo) and then hope I don't get banned yet again.
 
well, uh, good luck. Too bad we can't help you.
 
@gunr2171 Well, um, yeah.
 
@FOX9000 fine edit without the additional edit by reviewer, I don't think it should have been reject voted.
 
@gunr2171 He doesn't understand you. :P
 
I know, just marking down my response for later
 
8:58 PM
How dare you clutter our transcript with your reminders ;)
 
BECAUSE I'M BETTER THAN YOU, THAT'S WHY
 
@NathanOliver HOW DARE HIM DISOBEY THE ORDERS OF THIS EMPIRE??
 
@gunr2171 Error: "better" is not a quantifiable term. Please input a number.
 
@gunr2171 DO YOU GET A HAT FOR POSTING MESSAGES CONSISTING OF JUST CAPITALS?
 
8:59 PM
@TheBitByte just make a new account and don't make inappropriate jokes on it
in the meantime
 
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