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12:13 AM
How come I got banned from flagging after having 3 flags declined? All the meta posts I read say that you get flag banned when you have 25% of your flags declined in the last 7 days, but apparently it counts only post flags, because I have many helpful comment flags raised in the last 7 days.
Also, one of the flags was a custom mod flag, declined with a reason "flags should not be used to indicate technical inaccuracies, or an altogether wrong answer". I then flagged the same post as NAA, and it got deleted by another moderator.
 
comment flags don't count
You don't get a flag ban if you're under 10/week
 
I have exactly 10 post flags in the last 7 days.
 
user4639281
@Gothdo comment flags and post flags are separate. The rules are different
 
user4639281
@Gothdo 3 / 10 > 25%
 
12:32 AM
@TinyGiant Yeah, I was taught math at school :)
 
12:55 AM
Yikes, a 19k self-answer too
 
1:45 AM
@TigerhawkT3 He's got a reopen vote after an edit. Still thinking it stays closed
 
@Machavity I'm pretty sure he voted to reopen his own question. :P
 
@TigerhawkT3 I know that. Was letting you know he'd started one :P
 
@Machavity I wouldn't have expected anything less. :)
 
 
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6:52 AM
Morning! Was my comment on this question inappropriate? I am trying to understand OP's reaction.
 
@Styvane No.
I flagged the responses for being offensive and one was deleted immediately, probably because it contained a blacklisted word.
I have no idea what could have ticket the other user off.
 
@NisseEngström I flagged all his comments. I can see the last being deleted.
 
7:10 AM
Several rude-flags can also auto-delete a comment, I think.
@FOX9000 Here we go again. Should the tag be added or removed from questions, or does it depend on the occasion? I'm seeing both in the review queue.
I just skip 'em.
 
@NisseEngström if it is about java code I don't see much against it?
 
7:29 AM
@Styvane I think they are asking if the update statement performs better due to the fact that the previous call was an find. They expect the answer to be Yes, documents are kept for 10 seconds in memory, so you better finish any work you do sooner. The real answer is probably You can rely on mongo that it performs whatever you ask it to do in the most efficient way, don't bother about its implementation details. See also: meta.stackexchange.com/q/66377
 
7:46 AM
Hiya
 
@rene that clearly shouldnt have been approved
@NisseEngström depends on the occasion and since this was a purely android question java tag shouldnt be added
 
8:01 AM
@ColdFire OK, fine with me.
 
8:19 AM
@Yam that one is totally changed
@Yam that one looks fine to me, despite the too broad claims. It has delete votes though ...
 
9:02 AM
@Adriaan Would make more sense now. We had a swarm of around 900 spam posts in the docs yesterday. (There's no SpamFilter for docs).
 
"I don't really want to see that video, YouTube" - "care to tell us why?" - "Hmm... maybe it's because it's obvious scam and it has like 50% downvotes?" - "I'm sorry, what?" - "I meant, I don't like the video and I'm not interested in the channel that made it." - "Oh."
 
 
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10:19 AM
Hiya
 
10:36 AM
Hiya @Tuna
 
11:17 AM
@WATERYMEL0N, This room is meant for cleanup related activities. See the room description and rules first.
 
Plenty of people lurking. But please don't post this in every chat room, this is feeling like spam
 
11:33 AM
 
11:49 AM
Hiya!
 
Hi @Unihedron
 
I came here because of that sweet image in the starboard :) i.stack.imgur.com/LquSX.png
 
:D
 
I've just come upon an ad-walled free wifi. Is that normal in USA?
 
Hiya @Uni. Where's Nordehinu? :D
 
11:55 AM
@BhargavRao in the hibernating room :)
@JanDvorak It's normal here
 
@Unihedron Well, participating in close voting and deleteing crap doesn't provide extra rep unfortunately. But you can use the powers you have coordinated. \o
 
@WATERYMEL0N Hmm, It must have been flagged by some user.
That might be the reason
 
@πάνταῥεῖ it's not the rep I'm interested in
I have good taste in art
 
Because you were spamming your game. Please don't continue to do that.
 
@WATERYMEL0N cuz spam
spam be flagged as spam
 
11:57 AM
Well, I'd already seen wifi gates that show you an ad, but this is the first one that places a delay to the ad - and even detects uBlock running.
 
user6438653
Ahh okay.
 
our wifi ad gates are like the download walls
you have to click "connect" with lots of ad blocks that are also pretending to be that button
here's an award for whoever that drew the sketch ^^
 
@Unihedron Nice, but we have a no one box rule here.
 
Is there a way to cheese it with uBlock anyways?
 
11:59 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ done
where's your ruleboard?
 
@Unihedron Here socvr.org
 
@WATERYMEL0N Last warning, don't talk about your game anymore.
 
@Unihedron You may find some of mine presented in teh interwebz ;)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ "Burninate Prority List" <- typo here
also clicked through all the links, still no rules anywhere
 
12:03 PM
@Unihedron The RO's rulez
 
@BhargavRao Great! Since they're not hard rules, I'm going to ignore them and stick to SO chat's rules which are way shorter.
 
If I'm breaking anything, tell me.
 
sure
 
@Unihedron They'll do. We even have a sanitarium :)
 
12:04 PM
Zephyr is still running :O it brings back memories xd
 
user6438653
@Tunaki Well, that isn't nice. I said about it once in each room. I wasn't innapropriate or anything.
 
> You cannot counterflag your own message
@WATERYMEL0N That is the definition of spamming, yes
 
@WATERYMEL0N Spamming is defined as "Electronic spamming is the use of electronic messaging systems to send an unsolicited message (spam), especially advertising" by Wikipedia. Therefore, you were spamming. Appropriateness is not a factor, whether it is solicited is.
Regardless, don't post it here.
 
user6438653
So saying Hello in multiple rooms is spamming?
 
12:07 PM
I guess I'm not going to make the game I've had in mind then...
 
Adding a random link to a gaming website is spamming.
 
@JanDvorak your IDE doesn't work offline?
 
And if you do it in multiple rooms, It's distributed spamming. So it's even worse.
 
@WATERYMEL0N you were warned, you don't listen, though luck. This room is moderated a bit more strict, you deal with that. Don't blame our room owners.
 
12:08 PM
What use is a game without players?
 
Being rude to room owners and blaming them is the third offence
 
user6438653
I wasn't blaming, I was suspecting.
 
user6438653
They run a room, not people.
 
Anyway, what's your point?
 
Unless I'm jumping to conclusions - in which case, how far back should I read?
 
12:10 PM
@Jan, It's all in the Sanitarium.
 
@JanDvorak I assumed you're trying to make a game but can't.. ^^"
 
user6438653
@Tunaki It's a bit harsh don't you think?
 
no
 
No, why?
 
Hi all. o/
 
user6438653
12:12 PM
@Tunaki It wasn't "counterflagging" it was an actual flag. What you said wasn't very nice.
 
Hey
 
Hiya! o/
 
I feel like a suspension was a bit harsh... unless it was a kick (but still...)?
 
@WATERYMEL0N What did Tunaki say?
 
user6438653
suspension.
 
12:12 PM
The transcript is all public. Can you link to it?
 
"Last warning, don't talk about your game anymore." <- I assume this (I can't see flags)
 
that ^
 
All I saw in the sanitarium is a link, then "hey, I was suspended"
 
@JanDvorak that's all to it
 
@JanDvorak Yeah, multiple spam messages in different rooms. Got flagged in C++
 
12:13 PM
That's a bit harsh, then
 
user6438653
@Unihedron Yes. Sorry was afk for a sec.
 
but the temporary suspension was automatic from flags.
 
Yes
 
oh.
 
@WATERYMEL0N that sentence scores 9 points out of 10 in my dictionary.
 
user6438653
12:14 PM
Flags did it?
 
Yes
 
The community at large disliked the game spam
 
+ people validating the flags. Funny, because I didn't =/
 
user6438653
Why did it do it?
 
But then an explanation would have been better than trashing the question
 
12:15 PM
Or perhaps an elected moderator went on full sweep.
 
because you posted spam that users agreed was spam
the system cools down people posting spam
 
so, if I do make a game, am I supposed to keep it to myself?
 
user6438653
Hmm...
 
user6438653
Weird.
 
user6438653
:(
 
12:16 PM
@JanDvorak You're not supposed to post a message in every room where there are people and ask people to play.
 
@JanDvorak Post it on reddit. :P
 
@Tunaki how about every room I'm regular in (two or three in total)?
 
@WATERYMEL0N, I hope that you've understood the point. Don't go to do it again in future. Let's just forget what happened and move on, for the moment. Welcome to SOCVR.
 
user6438653
@Tunaki It wasn't in every room it was in some rooms.
 
How many rooms was that?
 
12:19 PM
I counted over 8...
 
oh...
 
then I realized it's not a good use of my time :)
 
lol
 
@JanDvorak I'm not sure I'd flag it, but I can understand why some people would.
 
I guess one would have been fine?
 
user6438653
12:19 PM
@Unihedron 7
 
Bah, does it matter really?
 
user6438653
7 rooms.
 
@JanDvorak as long as it isn't here, yes
 
Maybe in a room where people care about you I assume yeah. If I post it in my room probably no one would mind, but tough luck if it's in the lounge
 
Yeah, you better don't troll in the Lounge
 
user6438653
12:20 PM
Actually not in the lounge I deleted it.
 
user6438653
So 6, 3 I know.
 
@rene Yeah, you better don't go to the Lounge
 
user6438653
There wasn't anyone there.
 
We're not in the lounge here
 
12:21 PM
@rene no game for you then
 
Spam isn't welcomed here, at all times.
 
@WATERYMEL0N Hmm, You know that the history of chat messages are visible to others, right? chat.stackoverflow.com/messages/34534752/history
 
Just like we don't accept links, out of the blue, to your answers or questions.
 
So "I deleted it" isn't actually correct.
 
@BhargavRao Page Not Found
 
12:22 PM
@BhargavRao /s others people with 10k rep
 
@BhargavRao whoa, you dug up an old message there. Do you mean that now there's another trend as to where the spam is geographically coming from?
 
@Unihedron people with ♦ :D
 
Nope, 10k does not help.
 
user6438653
@BhargavRao Okay? What? I'm sure I deleted it.
 
oh I see now
 
12:23 PM
20k doesn't help either :(
 
you're just casually plugging in the fact that you have a ♦
 
grumble :p
 
just give me the diamond, so I can check?
 
I guess I'll call you Bhargav♦Rao from now on
 
Screw it. I'm outta here.
 
12:24 PM
@Adriaan Nope, I meant that, The automatic spam filter takes care of the automatic spam ;)
 
@Tunaki Hm, maybe 10k helps but 20k breaks it again? XD
 
@Unihedron Remind ya'll again :P
 
@BhargavRao and those Indian companies simply hire people to manually type in the spam?
 
user6438653
No one here has the diamond.
 
@Adriaan Partially correct. Around 10USD per hour. That's enuff for a nice dinner with booze.
 
12:24 PM
ROs can see deleted messages in their rooms, at least some of those messages.
 
@WATERYMEL0N quite a few actually have that here
 
@JanDvorak not from the transcript though
 
oh.
 
@rene I checked it, Only Employees have an option to add other users as diamonds. (and I guess there needs to be one to add and one more to agree to that).
So nope :P
 
But who adds the employees?
 
12:30 PM
DUN DUN DUN
 
The waffles
 
@JanDvorak Atwood
 
The Unicorns
 
Who added Atwood remains a mystery
 
Lol, I can misuse the mod tools to find out who made Shog an employee :D .... Or I can just read the "Welcoming Shog" blogpost.
 
12:31 PM
So, we're a monarchy by proxy?
 
@BhargavRao thanks for trying ;)
 
Even I wanted to know :D
 
@BhargavRao I like how you're doing it for free
place a donation bucket here for it
 
Oh, Shit that's a better idea.
 
ayyyyy
 
12:32 PM
Every ping to me from now on will cost you all 1USD
 
@BhargavRao
 
@JanDvorak isn't that true for most Monarchies?
 
Thanks, @Uni, That's a good idea. It's free for you though :P
 
user6438653
@Adriaan Ohh, yeah..
 
bows
 
user6438653
12:33 PM
@BhargavRao I don't have any non-cash.
 
?
 
Afk, git cloned, Have to start work.
 
git commit -m 'murder'
 
user6438653
lol
 
@WATERYMEL0N I think that you sould leave
 
user6438653
12:34 PM
@Sami Okay...
 
Spam isn't welcomed here man
 
should I tell Melon this guy isn't representative of this room?
 
user6438653
I'm sorry for all the trouble guys. I would like to talk to you guys more. I'm going to go, bye, cya.
 
lol isn't it a given?
@WATERYMEL0N actually don't come here unless you're interested in moderation activities.
 
@JanDvorak You can
 
12:37 PM
There is some off-topic chat as well...
 
When a post gets 6 spam flags, is it always nuked no matter how many upvotes it has?
 
@Sami @Jan Like before, keep the talks friendly. The room is not only moderated by room owners -- members lead by example
 
@JanDvorak I think it's safe to say there's a difference between "off-topic for teenagers" (as in the other room he was in) and "off-topic for activists". ^^"
 
@Gothdo Yeah
 
user6438653
@Unihedron Okay.
 
12:39 PM
@Tunaki I didn't say anything
 
@Tunaki what did I say wrong?
Or rather, how should I have said that?
 
maybe in a non-sharp way, "Sami isn't representative of this room"?
 
user6438653
@Unihedron I am interested. And I will not do anything of the sort again.
 
@WATERYMEL0N Great!
 
user6438653
I am not a representative of this room.
 
12:40 PM
@JanDvorak this isn't particularly friendly, especially that members are representative when no RO is there
 
@Unihedron I can see your point, sorry
 
user6438653
I believe I may need to get more rep.
 
I'm not quite sure myself as well actually. I'm used to communities with sharp tongues. ^^"
 
@WATERYMEL0N Please
 
user6438653
Please what?
 
12:43 PM
@JanDvorak @Unihedron Yes , I am not a representative of this room
 
@Tunaki What I meant was that I disagreed that Melon is unwelcome here for off-topic conversation. I think that was unfriendly of Sami to say that.
 
But i just Advise my friend
Bye.
 
user6438653
Bye @Sami.
 
@Tunaki So if you create 6 sockpuppet accounts and reach 15 reputation on each of them, you can nuke any post on Stack Overflow?
 
@Gothdo yes
 
12:44 PM
@Gothdo Yep.
Has been done before on smaller sites.
 
user6438653
Damm, that's nasty.
 
There's a Meta about that IIRC
 
@Gothdo and Stack Overflow mods will pin down your IP :S
 
user6438653
@Unihedron Use tor.
 
@Tunaki Do you have a link?
 
12:45 PM
searching
 
@WATERYMEL0N I suspect that option has been accounted for. But yes, it's an obstacle.
 
user6438653
How could you get around tor?
 
user6438653
You have to have an email to create an SE account, right?
 
Block exit nodes.
Temporarily, at least.
 
That is an option. Does SE block TOR?
 
12:48 PM
we have a tor.se
so I would say no
 
oh. So how do they deal with poo from tor?
 
@Gothdo There's FR about that here meta.stackexchange.com/questions/184896/…
 
user6438653
Block it?
 
But they do add tor exit nodes to the IP block when they become an issue
 
ugh
 
user6438653
1:00 PM
Bye guys. Sorry...
 
waffles
 
It has been Jon'd...
 
1:32 PM
@Adriaan Are you sure?
Unless you meant "failed to read docs"
 
@JanDvorak that as well, but I can write down 5 methods for doing this off the top of my head
true, they all take like 4 sentences max, but still that's quite a lot and therefor TB I'd say.
 
Five lines of code isn't too broad, especially if you only need to write one of them ;-)
Twenty sentences is too much for you to say? Really?
 
@JanDvorak I meant 5 different ways to do it in 4 lines. So 5 METHODS, which is too broad for me
 
An answer doesn't need to list all of them. Now if the question was "what are all the ways to [do something basic]", then perhaps.
 
user6438653
1:54 PM
I was just suspended for 10 minutes.
 
@WATERYMEL0N then you probably did something the mods didn't like.
 
Sam
Afternoon o/
 
user6438653
Another thing....
 
Hi @Sam
 
@WATERYMEL0N I'd suggest not posting chat messages that get flagged by the community then :)
 
user6438653
2:01 PM
Yeah. :)
 
@JonClements care to not recommend me British TV series? Those take up way too much of my spare time :P
 
@Adriaan no promises - good waste of time though :)
 
@JonClements people already think I sound like a wannabe-posh Brit, that'll only get worse when watching that. (or I'll sound like a very angry swearing Malcom Tucker Scot)
 
user6438653
Why is there so much orange in stackoverflow?
 
@Adriaan oh come on - The Thick Of It is awesome
 
2:04 PM
it absolutely is. I like Hugh Abbott a tad better than Nicola, but as long as Malcolm stays, I'm happy :D
I learned so many new and inventive ways to yell at and insult people :p
 
Yup - that's what us Brits are good at or something? :p
 
Caledonian Maffia
 
2:33 PM
Plop!
 
@Kyll le plop!
 
3:28 PM
Hi all
 
o/
^ quality question
 
@AndrewLi Looks like an MCVE to me. It's a dupe though, looking for one.
^--- That was extremely far up in google for some reason. :/
 
@NathanOliver Took me a little while
But it doesn't beat htm is basic for java
 
@MadaraUchiha Ha! You found that old post with my comments?
 
3:42 PM
@MadaraUchiha
 
Back in the day in JavaScript chat room...
 
@AndrewLi They weren't
 
Oh. Haha
> coz htm is basic for java
 
3:48 PM
@AndrewLi They are just hidden by default. That's what I see when I click "show more comments".
> no answer i fell sad
 
@Gothdo Yeah
Still gives me a good laugh
> if u don't know java then it's not my fault
 
4:25 PM
^ this is basically "how to implement localization". Way too broad.
 
4:42 PM
That's because + only works on strings or numbers
 
Yeah, error or concatenate the lists, both would make sense. Unlike the above.
 
4:58 PM
@QPaysTaxes Ehh weakly typed
I like it
[1,2,3] + [4] - adding is only defined for string and number. Else, it uses function toString to get the string representation of [1,2,3] which is 1,2,3 and concats it to string rep. of [4], 4
 
Isn't that the whole point of weakly typed stuff: It tries to make something out of it, whatever you throw at it.
 
^ LoL
 
@BaummitAugen it converts both to primitive values, which happen to be strings, then concatenates those
 
@rene Yes. It turns out to be a pretty awful idea.
 
5:02 PM
I like it under certain circumstances
Makes for some interesting SO questions
 
For some values of "interesting" :-D
 
Ye
 
ey
 
Yee
 
5:03 PM
@rene that's a great feature for Siri, not for a programming language.
 
But I wouldn't make a banking application in Golfscript
although... challenge interested in.
 
I like JavaScript
 
Javascript has a great GUI API :-)
 
confirm/alert?
 
no, HTML :-D
 
5:08 PM
Strictly speaking HTML is not part of the Javascript API. You must be confusing it with jQuery
 
<3 jQuery
In canvas, you say what to put where and it stays there. In Java you need to be able to repaint everything from scratch just in case the environment decides to forget everything you told it.
 
Speaking of jQuery, see this Meta question: Stack overflow lied to me illegally
 
I should tweak GasMask to block all images in answers to questions :-D
 
6:02 PM
^ The OP has other contributions, I removed the spam rude/abusive flags and deleted it again.
 
@BhargavRao spam flags? This would warrant abusive flags if OP had no meaningful contribution. If someone flagged spam, they flagged very wrong. If someone flagged abusive, they flagged slightly wrong.
Now afk again
 
@Kyll I meant, rude/abusive.
Disputed them. I did not decline those.
 
@BhargavRao well, there's another decline on my list, thanks!
 
You can't really count a single negative-scored question as "meaningful contribution"
even if that should be a fail-safe warranty against rude flags
 
@Adriaan Did not follow.
 
6:17 PM
@BhargavRao doesn't matter :P It was just a remark that I now have another disputed flag, not declined, sorry :p
 
That "contribution" doesn't even deserve to stay open.
 
@Adriaan Heh, I got kinda scared as I declined a custom flag that said "this is gibberish" on that to which I replied "I know, Thanks".
 
@BhargavRao :-(
I can see nobody has completed day 11 yet
@SotiriosDelimanolis 20k+
 
6:38 PM
Any java hammers ^
 
user nuked. nice.
 
Winter bash starts tomorrow?
 
19th
 
Oh woops
typed in 62350 instead of 623500 seconds
 
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