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4:00 PM
@JAL Reading...
 
that acct has a shelf life of 10 minutes
 
Used up all my close votes for the day on outstanding cv-pls requests!
 
@DavidG I would flag as they may not be watching.
 
Already done
 
"Non-Latin link"... has SD been forced to attend sensitivity training?
 
4:03 PM
@Mogsdad Arabic Training LoL.
 
@DavidG User is blacklisted (5684262 on stackoverflow.com).
 
As what should something like this be flagged/del-voted?
 
@Thaillie Custom flag for Mod with explaination.
 
that answer survives
 
4:06 PM
afk
 
Nite!
 
@rene Re your comment here, I'd like to resume de-stinking . (Meta post)
 
back
 
wow @Thaillie he deleted 20 seconds after I commented
that's a record
 
@DavidG That link-only answer has been updated! Looks OK to reopen, & consider upvoting to 0.
 
4:11 PM
@Drew He is getting used to it, as this is the 3-4th answer he deleted after a comment was posted :p
 
ah ok
dang let's not target him. Let's encourage him to cut and paste good content in an answer
We need someone to answer these dreadful questions
 
Out of votes, hungry, going to take dinner and then sleep. Nite!
 
@Mogsdad Can clean the comments up too
 
done mine already. @Tushar?
 
4:13 PM
@Mogsdad what? Didn't get you
 
Oh, done.
 
-4 to +2, that's the very nature of what this room is about. Good job!
 
He gained rep and we have a real answer now. Everyone wins :)
 
@DavidG Thanks to you!
 
4:17 PM
(too broad; off-site tutorial request)
 
Since he presumably has a nice answer that all those others can close as dupe to, perhaps someone can spearhead that with him stackoverflow.com/a/34948629
 
...and that was my 5,870th edit. Holy crap.
 
steals some of the holy crap to display in the local church
 
That's why you need incense.
 
4:25 PM
I've only got something like 1700 edits myself
 
> 3,712 posts edited
BUT
> 7,286 helpful flags
 
> 63 posts edited
I feel like I'm slacking :p
 
You are!
 
Yam
A cv-p​ls'ed question has been edited (-100% changed).
 
@Drew If he makes a canonical, maybe even @Madara will gift him a large bounty too.
 
4:28 PM
@Sam ^ I love that bug.
 
goes to a Nice Answer in 1 hour
 
Sam
¬_¬
 
@Yam By the way, I voted to reopen.
 
I disagree
it's too broad now
 
really?
 
4:31 PM
considering the editor just made the edit to make his answer look better
yes, especially since Flexbox is explicitly not supported in IE until 11 (partially in 10)
He doesn't have any code, he just wants to "use flexbox in IE9"
how is that answerable with quality?
 
It's not because it's bad that it's necessarily off-topic.
Answer could just be "No, you're out of luck, stop using those damned obsolete IE"
2
 
no but reopening it for the wrong reasons is bad
 
@TylerH ... Even Yam thinks it's bad, by -100%!
 
considering it's still too broad
 
without a link to see, are we saying it is closed, for the wrong reason, to reopen, to close with right reason? or what
 
4:35 PM
It was closed because it was asking for off-site resource/personal anecdote
Michael_B answered it already, but was accruing downvotes because it was closed and he answered a bad question
 
the Yam spit-out link I take it
 
so Michael_B edited it to remove the off-site request and just ask if/how it was possible, but the problem now is the question is just "How to use flexbox in IE9"
we don't have code, we don't know criteria, etc., which IMO is a clear "Too Broad" question
 
If there is a single definitive "No" answer, it isn't too broad.
 
the question is too broad
without the tool rec, its a thinly veiled tool rec.
 
why can't No be an answer assuming non wolf in sheeps clothing
 
4:38 PM
and its only going to attract garbage answers like Michael's that are either links to broken/outdated polyfills or links to external resources
you guys close trash like this all the time
 
ok vote to close and delete. If it is only a tool rec solution. I agree. Michael is marketing it
 
Hi
 
that question is also POB
hah
got my vote in before Brad hammered it
 
4:42 PM
Dam these chat restrictions
Bye will be back, In a meeting (Browsing SO Questions :D)
 
Actually, that question is bad too...
 
Nice meeting o/
afk
 
4:59 PM
afk
 
If u can't help, don't interfare. Get away from my post — ShivamProgramer 5 mins ago
 
If u can't help, don't interfare. Get away from my post — ShivamProgramer 6 mins ago
ditto. Reading it twice is so important
 
Its MINE!!... don't touch it!
 
jaw dropping
 
JAL
5:17 PM
@Drew there must have been enough flags on that comment to remove it
 
his rep momentarily went to ( - 998 ). It must have been a glitch
 
I'm also off! no more CV's, have fun!
 
Sam
Cya!
 
@ShivamProgramer You seem to have an attitude problem on Stack Overrflow. Please remember that we're here to help you, and in return you need to be polite. If you want someone to be a personal mentor and debug/fix your code for you, use HackHands. — cybermonkey 7 secs ago
 
5:22 PM
yeah, that user's definitely question-banned now, I left them that comment..
did someone really upvote that pile of rubbish? puu.sh/mN0Dp/198482aaee.png
 
Sam
Meh
 
Sam
6:01 PM
@David You should've rolled back to 9.
 
I did...... ahem
 
Sam
Actually 6.
 
Oh... screw you! :P
 
Sam
:p
 
Actually 9 looks fine
 
Sam
6:03 PM
Eh, the last paragraph isn't necessary though.
 
Check the answer though...
 
Sam
I fail to see how they're related.
I must be low on coffee.
 
I need more than coffee, I need to go home, so that's what I'm doing. Night all!
 
Sam
Night!
 
Let's post some code, and then, the immediate thought is ....
sleep well
 
6:08 PM
@DavidG apologies for butting in like this, but as you answered my last Excel VBA question, would you have any idea how to fix my current issue?
 
cyber, only you :P
 
@Drew :P it's actually for a college assignment that needs to be in tomorrow, and the issue's annoying me.
 
@Mogsdad I see. Based on that comment let's ask if either @MadaraUchiha or @JonClements are prepared and allowed to help us out to get the process as outlined by Shog9 started. Given the current drama with the SFF election I assume Shog9 himself has more important things to do.
 
@PaulRoub gone, user removed
(by mod I presume)
 
@cyber can you make a stub of the excel available on the web? I will take a look
 
6:23 PM
Close this as fast as possible for No MCVE / Too Broad, / anything but fast: stackoverflow.com/questions/35068826/… :)
 
i was actually thinking mcve
but he gets a free skate
 
sd remove- I've done what I can
 
6:48 PM
@Tunaki Is he code minimal?
 
I could help with that but I am not going to recreate the workbook fcs
 
Wouldn't know. That's Android code and I'm not familiar with it. But the error the OP's getting sounds like a clean and full rebuild is necessary and probably that missing class is simply, well... missing...
 
7:05 PM
What's this: stackoverflow.com/a/35069764/1743880??? Also, just wasted 10 minutes editing that question. How can we close it now? :D
 
that is NAA at least, possibly spam
joined today
 
Offensive: delete vote please
 
yes
 
Isn't worth reporting IMO
 
@rene Drama?
 
7:14 PM
btw what is the SFF election?
 
Science Fiction and Fantasy
currently an ongoing election there atm
 
Waaaav
 
I have downvoted all the members of the cabal but some are still ranked pretty highly
 
I've clearly missed something
 
7:17 PM
Sorry, I was just thinking out loud there for a moment :-) I have strong views on some activities in several of SO's sister sites
 
There is a cabal on SFF?
 
A group of 5 or 6 users there perform, ah, well I hate to say circlejerk behavior, but they ask terrible quality questions and have cultivated an easy voting culture, per se
 
Oh. I guess I would need to be a member to know about that. Thats a shame it is going on.
 
The answers are usually very detailed
It's just that a lot of the questions are either inane or incredibly easy to answer for yourself (even compared to SO questions), or opinionated
In my personal opinion the behavior just smacks of rep-whoring in the worst sense
 
I would say custom mod flag and find out from there :p
 
7:20 PM
total camp 3 behavior
 
It doesn't help that these users don't seem to have day jobs and answer dozens of questions a day... it prevents new users from participating
@Thaillie mods don't have a problem with it
because like I said the culture there has developed so that the site thinks that's OK
sites (un)fortunately set their own guidelines
 
Internet points! At least here on SO I can actually use them for something useful (i.e. some job app or interview)
 
So anyway tl;dr I voted for the three best candidates who don't do much answering
one helps with SE backend and queries, one writes for the blog, etc.
 
Anyway, I'm off again. @cybermonkey feel free to ping me if you need anything. Not near a computer but have my mobile.
 
grumble grumble rep cap grumble grumble
 
7:34 PM
@NathanOliver Epic yet? :D
 
this question... "How can I detect if a user is using tracking protection" Hmm...
@Tunaki he's hit it like 30 or 50 times, I can't remember which
31
 
he's a real slacker isn't he
 
Not epic yet
I know.
@Tunaki nice 97 times so far for you.
 
wow nice
I've gotten it once
 
I'm tracking Legendary yeah
 
7:41 PM
Its okay. I'm tracking epic. More than likely i'll get that before anything else.
 
don't say it too loud but the java tag is sometimes upvote mania: you answer something casually and you might have 7, 8 upvotes without knowing why really
 
Almost as bad a JS or PHP
 
Wish CSS were that way
 
PHP isn't that way, is it ?
 
No :p
 
7:43 PM
@NathanOliver How is C++?
 
not to bad. There are times when you have to wonder why something got an upvote. I think that if anything C++ is a little down vote happy. most of the time you have to have a rock solid question or answer to get up votes. Otherwise its downvotes to oblivion. case in point: stackoverflow.com/questions/35070422/…
 
I imagine the C++ community is quite discerning
 
I would imagine it is like most of the other tags where there is a core group of people that you see tending most of the questions and answers.
 
spending your rep to pound away
 
C++ appears hard to learn
at least, a higher barrier to entry
 
7:48 PM
that is because you are younger and didn't grow up with it like we did
and starting from assembly first
 
It depends what C++ you are taking about. Modern C++ should be easy to grasp for most people. It the low level stuff that takes a long time. Our standard is only 1300 pages long
 
Last time I wrote C++ my co-workers told me that I shouldn't mix it with Visual Basic. Never touched C++ after that...
 
not sure about that as they should all respect the c calling conventions.
 
@NathanOliver Java 8 spec is 788 pages long
 
Its getting there. Only a couple more versions :)
 
7:51 PM
:)
most of it is actually easy to read for everyone. There are only certain parts that are really very very obscure
 
looks just like the C++ standard
 
> Note: this is an early draft. It’s known to be incomplet and incorrekt, and it has lots of bad formatting.
^ awesome
 
A lot of people get the impression that most of c++ looks like: typedef int (Fred::*FredMemFn)(char x, float y); when it is actually getting quite beautiful.
@Tunaki We even have a sense of humor :)
 
:)
Oh it was written with LaTeX I can tell
 
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
8:00 PM
I'll take your word on it. It's a bit of a pita when trying to copy it into an SO answer.
 
@NathanOliver No HTML version?
 
@Tunaki Not that I have seen. Plus if you want the actual standard you have to pay for it as it is an ISO certified document.
 
@MaximillianLaumeister is there a particular reason?
 
@Tunaki I guess instead of deleting the question, we could pick either or to keep, then improve the tag wiki
What do you think?
 
@Drew yes, this is true. Natives always have an easier time of stuff
 
8:06 PM
@Tunaki It's not super obvious, but I believe the post is spam because it leads with a description of the framework, then links to the framework on GitHub, then creates two tags for the framework. On top of that it doesn't actually ask any question
@Tunaki So actually yes I think it should be deleted
 
It is true that the question is a little spammy
 
Also the question and answer were both edited by their authors 2 days ago after being dormant for a long time, so the asker and answerer are very likely colluding
 
Yes that's what I going to say, the answer is clearly biaised
The wording of the answer is not natural: it reads like the guy is personally involved in the library
 
kinda reads like a sales pitch
 
It actually looks like it may be written by the same author too, since it makes similar grammar mistakes
 
8:12 PM
OP was asleep during day 1 Question training stackoverflow.com/q/35066765
 
I don't see any suspicious activity from those 2 users
 
Rene passed a audit!
 
looks kosher
 
@Tunaki, the code in jasper report is colored!!!! as xml, I taught YEAH!, but then I realized the user put in his tags (since i burned the jrxml)... so the work around for maven is to force user to use the xml tag
 
Yeah but I'm not a big fan of this workaround
unless you want to score up in of course... :)
 
8:19 PM
Um, this is at least VLQ if not a malicious attempt to get somebody spammed by publishing their email address: "I would like very much to receive spam please do so at {redacted} Have a very nice day." - here. Custom flag?
 
Delete-voted, that's clearly a troll
 
needs one more
thanks rene
 
yw
 
That's what I was thinking - thanks.
 
8:30 PM
what are the thoughts on, if a guy has code, but has no idea how to do something, that it gets closed for not showing the code ? stackoverflow.com/q/35061284
I did not VTC
 
too broad for me
but if I vote, it's going to be No MCVE
 
maybe I will just leave a comment
 
We could always play the cv reason shuffle. I would go with too broad myself
 
@Drew No MCVE isn't just about having code in the question - it's about being able to express what the expected behaviour is, vs the observed. (disclaimer: haven't looked at THAT question yet.)
 
JAL
i voted no mcve
 
8:32 PM
MCVE is 3-part reason
 
frankly there isn't much code for him to really show !
 
all 3 must be satisfied, or it qualifies as no MCVE
 
Hey - I got 2 "Nice answers" today! Cool. On Meta, though, so Meh.
 
well he got his answer, got some tool req.
 
@TylerH But mcve is for questions seeking debugging help which the OP is not.
 
8:34 PM
right. Tiny would scold us
 
@Mogsdad Those are a dime a dozen ;) congrats
 
I wonder why they felt the need to put the entire URL in the title though...
 
link to the last somkey if anyone thinks they can edit it.
 
made an attempt
 
I was already making an attempt - I should have been more clear :)
 
8:38 PM
Ha, sorry
 
Your edit looks great though
 
yeah edit races
 
@PetterFriberg Hmm order of throws != order of catch
 
I was just about to ask ...
 
I can't find a proper duplicate
?
 
8:48 PM
sorry
 
OK
 
@rene You've reviewed 40 posts today (1 of which was an audit), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 48 minutes, averaging to a review every 1 minute and 14 seconds.
 
I'm out ...
 
@NathanOliver I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
Nathan passed a audit!
 
9:10 PM
why the cv-pls tag there?
 
maybe it was a quick way to send the request when not in the room?
 
oh, tsk tsk, not being present
 
@PraveenKumar That is an incorrect use of the cv-pls script. If you want a post deleted make a request.
 
@NathanOliver Do we have another user script for that? :)
@NathanOliver I didn't know that sorry! :(
 
@PraveenKumar No
 
9:15 PM
@NathanOliver Okie...
 
@PraveenKumar No problem. Just wanted you to know.
 
a background task aggregates the strings Praveen
 
@Drew Ah! I see... :)
 
user3956566
@Drew hi Drew, I'm outta votes, but can help in a few hours.
 
alright
 
9:17 PM
By background task, Drew means that AJIT is doing all the work by hand really.
 
yes Ajit. With a fountain pen.
 
user3956566
Not Ajit!
 
lol
 
user3956566
high school back to school here today
 
lot of incoming home work?
 
user3956566
9:24 PM
probably next week..
 
US has been back for a while
highschool and college usually go back around 2 Jan - 8 Jan, depending on the days of the week
 
user3956566
it's summer, so they get the long break over xmas, 6 weeks
 
oh that's right
southern hemisphere
 
Sounds like a great app. You can do it! — Micky Jan 15 at 7:21
 
user3956566
9:26 PM
yep the other term breaks are 2 weeks at a time
 
*shakes head* ...Stralia...
 
user3956566
@Drew sometimes I want to weep at the misguided kindness
 
a guy went Too Broad
 
user3956566
@TylerH I know I have my keyboard upside down to read this
 
Later All
 
user3956566
9:27 PM
@NathanOliver \o
 
user3956566
I g2g my beauties.. I'll be back deep Austrian accent
 
user3956566
@Drew oh he's being sarcastic.. yeh I'm tired.. :D
 
Sam
@MsYvette Cya
 
user3956566
xoxox
 
Sam
@Yam die
 
Yam
9:36 PM
Bye.
 
Sam
Applying bug fixes/improvements.
 
Oh no, you killed him!
 
Sam
Is there a doctor in the room?!
 
What do you think about this? stackoverflow.com/questions/5123816/struts2-vs-spring-3 there is arriving LQ answer
 
Quick use the !
 
Sam
9:41 PM
Ah yes, work.
 
@PetterFriberg Oh god that is so broad I can't even begin to understand why it is still open
 
It had to many votes on it for me to move... had the LQA in que, checked question and hmmm this looks broad...
When you are out of CV you can't even flag... that s**ks
 
@PetterFriberg POB
or too broad
depending on which of the two questions asked by OP you look at
 
@PetterFriberg #Just3kUserThings
 
So you can flag when you get some more rep?
I always wonder if SO likes that we close question like this... they probably generate traffic... and with traffic ... $
 
9:51 PM
Saying that you could theoretically have more than 50 flags available, but if you get to 3k then you couldn't flag as many things for closure because you get 50 close votes
 
> People who have programmed a long time are usually have far less ability to explain half the things they do.
 
@PetterFriberg you get up to 100 flags ultimately
I was gonna say it increased as your # of helpful flags increased, but it might be with rep, now that I think about it
 
Guys... Doesn't this look like a blatant copy of my answer? Seriously!!!
What shall we do with these things?
 
When is ultimately?... Skeet...
 
@TylerH It increses with rep yeah
 
9:53 PM
@PraveenKumar, ops lost a rep point...
 
@PetterFriberg Take 5 rep.
 
@PetterFriberg once you get 100 flags you stop
 
@PraveenKumar Delete them. :)
 
@PraveenKumar Well, to be fair he did just copy and paste the outputted text. The links aren't there in his :-P
 
@TylerH Exactly...
 
9:54 PM
@PraveenKumar The formatting did change. It didn't have the quote :p
 
@AlexanderO'Mara I have flagged the answer as well as deleted it.
Thanks for the support guys! :) You all rock!!! -\m/
 

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