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user4639281
12:08 AM
Argh, the API will let me know any votes on the question except for close votes.
 
user4639281
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Q: API Method for retrieving limited close vote information for a question

Tiny GiantI've combed through the API documentation and http://dev.sstatic.net/Js/full.en.js but the only method that I've been able to locate to get the number of close votes on a question is to read the response from casting or retracting a close vote. Obviously this is not optimal. I'm trying to write...

 
4:12 AM
in addition, any tips for how to tell the OP the same things a third time without repeating myself?
 
 
5 hours later…
9:14 AM
@Kyll Excavator and Archaeologist badge of course :) — Tunaki 1 min ago
Urgh x)
@Tunaki Actually this user got Archaeologist
Guess I'm going to crawl over his edit history to, y'know, check...
 
@Kyll Take a look at his profile, he earned Archaeologist 1h ago
 
Oops! Forgot the comma!
Ah well, exceeded max length.
Most of the edited posts have close votes on them
because they're old crap
 
and the edits themselves are completely superficial
 
Yep
Sometimes they're even workarounds the system
Like an added space after a period
Mod flagging...
 
He's taking advantage of his reputation to edit everything and anything
 
9:23 AM
> This user has done a large number of completely pointless edits on old, generally off-topic questions. Here is a selection: stackoverflow.com/posts/26577679/revisions stackoverflow.com/posts/26850627/revisions stackoverflow.com/posts/8942885/revisions stackoverflow.com/posts/26505365/revisions stackoverflow.com/posts/26706731/revisions stackoverflow.com/posts/13622025/revisions . This user got the Archaeologist badge for all this.
@Wolf What was the point of poorly editing a 2 years old question without any activity? — Kyll 16 secs ago
 
Hi every one
 
Plop @IntelliJAmiya
 
i need your advise
 
About what?
 
past 2 months .. i facing serial down voting()only for questions .looks like a personal attack ..
what should i do ?
 
9:31 AM
If you are really sure about this downvoting and the system didn't catch it, try to mod flag one of your posts
Explaining in length what happened
 
okay thats good .
i complain to the SO ..
 
@Tunaki Another user is doing this. Most of his edits are not as pointless but still pretty crappy
@IntelliJAmiya Make sure to be extremely clear
And to be absolutely certain that you have suffered serial downvoting and not a twist of fate
Moderators time is precious
 
yes yes
 
God why are people doing this? Is the Archeologist badge really all that it matters??
 
9:38 AM
@Kyll I was working on a suggested edit that made sense to me, but of course I didn't care the age of the post. Thanks for reminding me of that. — Wolf 2 mins ago
@Wolf You have to make absolutely sure that all your edits are meaningful and substantial. This other recent edit of yours for example is in no way acceptable. When you fix a post, fix most if not all the issues with it! — Kyll 58 secs ago
A few weeks ago I noticed a user doing a large number of tag-only edits
Guess who's at it again...
I mod-flagged but the flag has not been marked helpful, I don't want to bring the issue to meta (user will get his best answers downvoted, meh)
What can I do now?
 
I don't think there is something we can do. His edits were superficial and useless but they did improve somewhat the post (read, they didn't worsen it)
well except when he added a single space...
 
Well, actually
When I first reported it to this room
Someone (Mogsdad maybe?) noticed that his edits went against the community opinion of the management of these tags
Such a large number of edits should not be done alone, even more so if it goes against the community view
 
10:03 AM
Okay, so let's take care of the bumped up questions...
 
@Kyll boom
and out of close votes!
 
My resentment against this editor is growing
 
 
1 hour later…
11:40 AM
@Siguza boom
 
@Kyll Also boom at a couple of the ones you posted
Oh, so if a question is closed and multiple reasons share the "most voted" status, the one that has been voted on last will be chosen as the close reason.
I wondered about this for a long time :P
 
Good morning
 
@NathanOliver Good afternoon
 
Good afternoon :)
 
How's it going today?
 
11:50 AM
Morning all
 
Yay, 17 CV left... and I only just worked through the since my last visit
 
we need more close votes
 
@NathanOliver No, we just need a way to evenly distribute them onto all days of the year
on many days, I don't use them up
on others, I wish I had 250 CV
 
yeah that would help. close vote bank ;)
 
11:56 AM
A browser script would be easy enough... provided SO doesn't block a bunch of CVs coming in at once
But what if you don't manage to visit SO (rarely happens to me, but still...)?
 
@Siguza yeah tiny giant said he could make one. we could become real robo reviewers.
 
@NathanOliver I think his idea was quite different
It would also be extremely useful if multiple browsers could work together than. Say 5 people spend 250 "soft close votes", and if you vote on a question that has 2 real close votes, and 2 soft ones, the script realises that there's enough force to close the question right now, and spends all three votes. If you vote on a question with 0 close votes, however, and no one else does, your close votes are spent somewhere else, where they actually help closing a question.
But yeah, that would pretty much require a server with access to the user accounts...
 
@Siguza Oh I see what you are getting at. just spend the close votes on post that could be closed and have a "consensus"
 
@NathanOliver Does a single vote count as consensus? ^^
 
I would say min 3
 
12:06 PM
Haha, let Smokey cast the initial vote, Closey and Yam the 2nd & 3rd, and the userscript does the rest :P
Now we only need to get the bots to 3k rep :P
 
personally I don't like the thought of a script doing it as I think someones eyes should be on it. I would have no problem with 100-200 close votes in a day. I could do the full CV queue/Triage and then with the close vote request and what I see when browsing post it would be plenty.
 
@NathanOliver Well... that's basically why robo-viewing is bad
But I'm fine with stacking up my actions and having a script execute them for me
 
I can see where that would be useful. soft spend the close vote and then at the end of the day use them to close the things with the most close votes on them.
 
That's basically what I've done for the most part of . There's a limit that you can make no more than 3 edits in 30 seconds, so I just loaded a list of 50 questions, looked at every one of them to confirm that should have truly been (which was visible for ca. 60% of them from the title), remove all others from that page, and let a script run that does an edit every ~10 sec to replace by
And I got way ahead of the script.
But this way I was able to get a lot of (legitimate) edits through and have dinner at the same time. :P
 
thats cool.
 
12:16 PM
@NathanOliver Although I do have a trauma now
 
lol
@durron597 boom
 
12:33 PM
@cimmanon But what about the repatition?
 
@Kyll what theyre asking for is barely any different than a "dry up my code" for me type question
 
@cimmanon boom, and I was kidding
 
1:32 PM
In case it might be useful to anyone else - a context menu userscript which looks at the selected text (in this room only, ATM), and opens any selected Question links only (no users, no tags, etc.) in new tabs. Helpful when, say, @Kyll swats 10 questions in row :-) socvr-open-selected-questions.user.js
 
@PaulRoub Error: @match: Could not parse the pattern
Weird, the pattern seems fine at first glance
 
@Kyll What browser?
 
Firefox Dev Edition 42.0a2
Error from Greasemonkey
 
@josilber /bow /clap
 
1:36 PM
^ just saw on my profile page
leet!
 
This would be a good winter bash hat -- "Leet Reviewer: complete at least 1337 review tasks during the month of December"
 
so should I call you xXxjosilber360N0S0pe420xXx?
 
If you do the close vote queue every day you can almost get there
I'd bet we could clear the CV queue
nothing like hats to motivate people
 
uh, that's 33.4 day's worth of reviews
 
1:40 PM
@gunr2171 Right, so you'd need to do a few in some other queue as well
 
1337 / 40 = 33.425
 
still doable
 
ah
 
But I'd bet the CV review queue would get a lot of love, because it's always loaded
 
@josilber Call it the magic of Christmas!
 
1:40 PM
@gunr2171 Why not 1337/42 :P
 
:P
or more appropriate, 1337/420 or 1337/360
 
OK, I will propose this when we get closer to winter bash
 
@Kyll Ah, so the @match was somewhat Tampermonkey-specific. That's fixed, but the @run-at context-menu bit is also TM-specific. If I get some time later, I'll look at Greasemonkey compatibility. Sorry.
 
We have an analysis teaching assistant who uses 42 and 1337 in every example he can :P
 
@Kyll Fine on FF 40.0.3 w/ GM
 
1:42 PM
@Siguza if you get some free time at home, this might make you laugh
it's an actual game, yes
I'll edit in those links
 
@SmokeDetector mod-flagged
 
@Kyll Why?
 
@NathanOliver The user defaced his question. Isn't a moderator flag the right thing to do?
 
@Kyll I would flag if they did it a second time (aka trying to get into a rollback battle).
 
@Kyll For one no. if it is something they do a lot then yes as they need a talking to.
 
1:45 PM
... Wait, really? This seems like an absolutely unacceptable and destructive behaviour which can't be handled by normal users, I always mod-flagged in those cases
 
@gunr2171 No game could fit better together with Pewds ^^
 
But it was handled by us. if the user doesn't do it again then there is nothing for the mod to do.
 
Well, normal users have the power to roll back edits, so if they stop doing it there's probably no need to get a mod involved. We only need a mod if they keep doing it.
(aka what Nathan said)
 
and done editing...
 
So we should just let users with such a behaviour walk away like nothing happened? It seems to me that this is waaaay across the line in terms of respect and participation
 
1:48 PM
@gunr2171 Nice! Too bad we can't upvote edits
 
@Kyll the post already got some downvotes because of it, that's good enough
I think there might be an auto-mod flag if many rollbacks are made on a user
+ the comments
 
@Kyll the mod flags are for correcting behavior that can;t be corrected by us. if rolling back the edit and letting the user know not to do that is all it takes the the situation has been resolved and everyone can move on. On the other hand if the user keeps doing it then a mod needs to step in to correct the behavior. remember everybody gets one
 
@Kyll I guess you could bring it up on meta? My search skillz aren't the strongest and I couldn't immediately find a relevant post.
 
@josilber I guess I will
 
But the general mantra is what Nathan says -- mods should only be called when the community can't handle things themselves.
So that's probably what you'll get on meta.
I guess what you're saying is that such users should be punished, which only mods can do.
So I guess that would be the angle of your post.
 
1:51 PM
Well the user has shown a very destructive behaviour, should he be allowed to walk by?
 
I tend to agree with gunr that usually posts get downvoted when the poster defaces them, so they've already been punished.
 
OH GOD NO
 
@Kyll The most common case I've seen for this is people defacing a post that they want disassociated because it contains private info. They find they can't delete because there's an upvoted or accepted answer and they don't have the rep to flag so they deface instead. This is a great time to flag for mod attention because the mod can disassociate or otherwise handle the post.
 
(for the record, my comment is to prevent ninja editing)
 
But I empathize with the OP in that case, because they're worried about the private data that's now in plain view.
 
1:54 PM
how do you know? i actually spent about 20 mins writing that you scrub — ainsley 18 secs ago
not sure if troll or stupid
 
lol
 
lol
 
be back later
 
@gunr2171 and now I get an offensive comment flag as well. this user needs to keep posting
 
Is this grammarz correct? "undertake further action in the form of a mod flag"
I'm not sure about "in the form of"
 
2:02 PM
It's fine
 
looks good to me
 
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Q: Is defacing own posts worth a mod flag?

KyllSome users engage in destructive behaviours against their own post(s). They may want to dissociate the post(s) and their account or are simply going in frustrated rampage. This kind of defacing is generally very quickly noticed by users (and bots), and cancelled in the next few seconds with a ro...

 
@Kyll thanks for posting that. ChrisF♦ mentioned systems that I did not know were in place.
 
@NathanOliver Impressive answer
So the answer seems to be "trust the system"
 
strong with the system we are.
 
2:12 PM
@NathanOliver Actually, shouldn't the other question point to mine? The answer from ChrisF seems more valuable than the one from TylerH no?
Or yes, merge. If that is possible.
 
@NathanOliver and fight the dark side, we must
 
This answer must stick around
 
idk how it happens but we need to keep the answer and I know a highly voted\visited question is easier to find on google
 
It doesn't really matter -- they won't delete either question.
 
user4639281
Yeah, that doesn't match any of the roomba criteria.
 
user4639281
2:21 PM
That's my 2 cents. I won't be on much today. Have fun everyone, and close lots of crap!
 
2:40 PM
@Kyll If you have a second at some point, this version should be GM-friendlier: gist.github.com/paulroub/d633a8a8eb31f9123242
 
@PaulRoub Installed and tested on my waterfall, works perfectly. Thanks for the script!
 
2:54 PM
Are questions duplicate if the accepted, upvoted answers differ and/or are almost contradictory?
 
@Kyll How can the same question Q be answered by A and !A?
 
@Tunaki Heh.
The accepted answer of my question says "Do nothing, the system handles it". The duplicate target's answer however say "flag if the defacing is blatant and done a lot"
With a notice from Brad Larson in extreme cases on the answer to my question
 
Well, as I understand it, the problem is that the accepted answer on the duplicate is not what should actually be done
Your question was answered by a moderator so it has more weight IMO. I think the duplicate should be reversed (the current duplicated should be duplicated by your question)
 
3:09 PM
@Tunaki My thought too. What can be done? Reopen my question, close the other one as duplicate?
 
@Kyll Maybe add a comment saying why the answer you got is preferable and vote to reopen. I will definitely vote to reopen too.
 
> While the target question is indeed the same, the answer below from ChrisF seems more reliable and insightful on the mechanics of Stack Overflow than the answer on the target. As such, this question might be better suited to be the target (reversing the current relationship).
Kind of afraid to seem whiny there
 
^^^^ This was upvoted?
 
3:27 PM
@Tunaki maybe it was a ninja edit?
 
@Tunaki deleted
out of votes
 
@ArtjomB. boom to all
 
user4639281
@Kyll Your question needs one more to reopen.
 
user4639281
The mobile interface for chat is disappointing.
 
@TinyGiant Thanks
 
3:43 PM
@Tunaki Something weird going on there -- the user who posted it had user id 5375369, which is now deleted, and the deleted answer is attributed to user 2077972 with the same username. The deleted answer no longer has an upvote.
 
@josilber Too bad I don't have the rep to see the deleted answer
 
@josilber Probably an automatic account merge
 
@Kyll it has now been reopened.
 
user4639281
3:59 PM
@kyll needs two more to dupe the other to yours
 
anyone willing to talk about doing a major edit on a question?
 
@ArtjomB. Yeah, that was my best guess
 
user4639281
@NathanOliver what question?
 
this I want to edit it to actually show off the problem instead of having in th last sentance that there is still an issue. It would be a major re-write but problem would remain the same.
I was thinking I could write it, roll back the edit and then link to the revision to the OP and let them decide if they want to change it.
 
user4639281
4:15 PM
Just edit and include a comment of why you edited and that if they find you deviated from the original intent of the question then they can roll it back
 
user4639281
If you edit then rollback it grace period deletes the edit
 
forgot about the grace period. I'll make my changes and see how it goes.
 
4:42 PM
@TinyGiant @NathanOliver No more votez here
Oh, it's done
Yay
@NathanOliver You can now delete your comment
 
@Kyll and done.
 
I leave for the night. Bye everyone =D
 
later
 
bye
 
5:11 PM
You would think someone with almost 4k rep could write an understandable question: stackoverflow.com/revisions/32787156/1
 
5:44 PM
@KevinBrown deletes spent
 
6:20 PM
@KevinBrown done
 
Doesn't it take 5 delete votes to delete a question?
 
@NathanOliver stackoverflow.com/help/deleted-questions says it takes at least 3, but it depends on how many votes the question and its answers have
 
6:45 PM
@Closey starting
Oh, closey is not with us
@rene how do we get back closey?
 
We ping @gunr2171 as he has access to the Jenkins server
Sometimes @Closey gets the weekend off...
 
Ah, OK.
 
7:00 PM
@gunr2171 Closey is hanging after it logged this message to the console. Can you stop that job and start a new one?
 
(guess what? In a meeting)
I'll reboot in now
 
Hey everyone! (SO Close Vote Chatbot started, linux!)
 
@gunr2171 tnx
 
no probs
and back to the meeting
 
@gunr2171 I assume that is the evaluation meeting of the other meetings?
 
7:10 PM
lol
 
@josilber Closey got booted
 
hi all
I'm in Las Vegas, sorry I haven't been around much
 
Happy Friday, everyone!
 
@Mogsdad Any of our clean up tags seeded?
 
must be nice. don't want to pull you away from the tables ;)
hey
 
7:16 PM
@durron597 I don't follow.
 
@Mogsdad Well usually you triage a tag we're working on, I'm wondering if I should review, say, or if I should try to seed the queue myself
 
ah not a tag 'clean up'... But tags to be cleaned up...
 
@durron597 what ever happens, you stay in Vegas....
 
I did no triage today, sorry.
 
yeah I have been slacking on reviewing this week. just not feeling up to it.
 
7:22 PM
Just dumped my deletes into third party with accepted answer.
 
7:33 PM
hi honk
 
p.s. thanks :)
 
@rene Perfect
@Closey starting
 
@josilber Don't get lost in the queue!
 
passed ios audit
passed javascript audit
 
@josilber what tags are you doing?
 
7:44 PM
off-topic, general tags
 
@josilber k
 
I do that setting when I don't have a ton of time in the queue, because I can evaluate off-topic most easily
passed python audit
 
@NathanOliver hi :) just joined, used tiny's tool for issuing the cv req
 
Well then that was a super preemptive hi ;)
 
@durron597 I thought that NAA flag reqs. are now banned here...
 
7:58 PM
You have no more close votes today; come back in 4 hours.
 
@josilber The review session has been marked as completed. To set the number of items you reviewed use the command last session edit count <new count>
 
@Closey last session edit count 38
 
Review item count has been changed:
User: josilber (3093387)
Start Time: 2015-09-25 19:35:30 UTC
End Time: 2015-09-25 19:58:53 UTC
Items Reviewed: [Not Set] -> 38
Use the command 'last session stats' to see more details.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@josilber Your last completed review session ended 26 seconds ago and lasted 23 minutes and 23 seconds. You reviewed 38 items, averaging a review every 36 seconds.
 
8:00 PM
@josilber Thanks for reviewing!
 
@rene Of course! Gotta run (also out of flags and close votes and LQPQ reviews), but catch you tomorrow!
 
sure, have a nice day!
I'm down to less than 1000 rep to reach 20K...
 
nice
 
And for delete votes, we're moving on to now
 
ha. a new licensing question but they didnt use it
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Q: programming languages and licenses

Edward AlexanderI would like to write a music player for Windows, in C++ or C#, and maybe sell it. I would like to use mciSendString, and I was wondering if I would have to pay any royalties to Microsoft. Question 1: Can I use ALL of C# .NET in making premium apps without paying for a license to Microsoft? Que...

 
8:15 PM
@honk The flag was marked helpful and the post wasn't deleted because someone edited the post
 
later guys
 
@durron597 Yeah, I thought that this happened. Therefore I reflagged it :)
 
user4639281
8:51 PM
$(document).ajaxComplete() is awesome.
 
Is this a "no repro" question (see answer by the OP)? Or does the question have some value? stackoverflow.com/q/14166838/2675154
 
@honk I think is has no value....
 
@honk I'd vote "no repro" if I had votes remaining.
 
@Closey starting
 
@rene Watch out for audits!
 
8:57 PM
ok, thanks, I flagged it
 
9:09 PM
@durron597 I added a comment encouraging the editor to stop doing that
 
@josilber Your comments were very good, but the answer is gone now...
 
@honk Yup ChrisF boom'd it. I try to always ping editors when they edit NAAs (and reject suggested edits).
 
Ok, thanks too all for your help, I have to get some sleep. Cya!
 
cya
 
9:41 PM
38
Q: Why does nothing motivate me?

Con7eI have had so many family issues that they made me a "bad" person. In simple words, I don't care about anything. People, problems, life in general. I have no morality, no god, no nothing. I am 20 years old and I feel like 90. I want to get things done. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with...

^^ I almost love the answer more than the question :]
 
user4639281
jQuery has a function for that.
 
For motivation?
 
user4639281
Lol
 
user4639281
Sure Deffered.promise();
 
"Life hax with code"
 
user4639281
9:46 PM
Or is that procrastination... either or.
 
user4639281
Butterflys can also do that.
 
10:03 PM
 
passed c# audit
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 1 hour to continue reviewing.
 
@rene Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@rene Your last completed review session ended 13 seconds ago and lasted 1 hour, 12 minutes and 37 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 1 minute and 48 seconds.
 
user4639281
That definitely doesn't look like any PHP I've ever seen... — Tiny Giant 10 secs ago
 
user4639281
10:10 PM
I'd say that they went wrong when they turned the computer on, but I could be wrong.
 
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A: Ooooh that [code-smell]!

MogsdadTime to get rid of the code-smell! The folks in the SO Close Vote Reviewers chat room have decided to take on the deodorizing activity. Here are the relevant tags: code-smell - 315 questions Plan of attack: If you want to volunteer to help, drop by the SO Close Vote Reviewers chat room to c...

Status post started.
 
@TinyGiant I wouldn't know what language it could be. Or some crazy framework
 
user4639281
It looks like a templating engine of some sort.
 
user4639281
The templating engine could have been written in PHP, but that code aint no PHP.
 
@Mogsdad I've removed the tag from stackoverflow.com/questions/434414/…
 
10:15 PM
@JonClements Great, thanks Jon. There may be other questions in there that need mod help, we'll see.
 
user4639281
@Closey starting
 
@TinyGiant Don't get lost in the queue!
 
user4639281
@closey next 10 tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@TinyGiant The next 10 tags are: 1337, 1336, 1335, 1334, 1333, 1332, 1331, 123, 109, 107
 
user4639281
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[third-party] [scrape] [scraper]"
 
user4639281
10:23 PM
> passed c# audit
 
user4639281
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[screen-scraping] [web-scraping] [sources]"
 
user4639281
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[code-smell]"
 
user4639281
> passed c# audit
 
user4639281
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[google-apps-script] [google-docs] [google-spreadsheet]"
 
user4639281
> passed perl audit
 
user4639281
10:28 PM
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 1 hour to continue reviewing.
 
@TinyGiant Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
user4639281
@closey last session stats
 
@TinyGiant Your last completed review session ended 7 seconds ago and lasted 7 minutes and 59 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 11 seconds.
 
user4639281
 
user4639281
@durron597 What do you think about and this?
 
user4639281
10:37 PM
And this?
 
10:55 PM
@TinyGiant Direct copy
 
user4639281
K, second is rejected, first one needs one more.
 
reason?
 
user4639281
For the rejection? The first is copied content.
 
user4639281
I was wondering about facets because it doesn't look like it is particularly well organized.
 
user4639281
But it is supposedly just a Java thing, by the content being copied, so I thought durron would have some insight.
 
user4639281
11:06 PM
 

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