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2:25 AM
@durron597 Just found another possible third-party tag, or perhaps a tag that can accept some questions...
 
@Mogsdad I agree with editing that in.
@SmokeDetector fp- edited, just a rant.
 
@durron597 Cool - I was about to, then saw you were in the room. Will do.
 
 
6 hours later…
8:44 AM
user removed from blacklist
 
8:59 AM
Naming things is hard: MagicStrings.FrequencyToCheckForRefresh*1000 and this isn't javascript...
 
9:36 AM
cv-ed
 
Yam
9:49 AM
Yam v2 started (debug).
 
Sam
@rene C#?
 
yep
 
Sam
Maybe I could help?
Why not MagicStrings.RefreshCheckPeriod*1000?
 
Why not Timings.RefreshCheckPeriod?
 
Sam
Well I wasn't sure if you had anything else in MagicStrings.
 
9:58 AM
@Sam it is not my code, I copied it from a question ;)
 
Sam
Oh, lol.
@rene Timings sounds good then.
 
Yeah, lets agree that what ever is in MagicStrings aren't numbers....
There might be magic there...
 
Sam
~ We'll never know.
 
 
1 hour later…
11:21 AM
I have been awarded my first bounty \o/
 
11:48 AM
@Kyll congrats
Good morning
 
Plop
 
12:20 PM
@Kyll congrats
 
@SmokeDetector deleted
 
sigh why do people feel the need to post useless answers?
original answer doesnt use a function, new answer states the obvious: you can put the code in a function!
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A: Modifying the middle of a selector in Sass (adding/removing classes, etc.)

ChanibaLThe answer by @cimmanon can be extended to use a function: /// Adds $add to every $argno-th part of each selector in & /// @param {selector} $add /// @param {number} $argno (default: 1) @function theme($add, $argno:1) { $collector: (); @each $sel in & { $collector: append( ...

 
Sam
12:47 PM
@Kyll Congrats!
 
@durron597 wow, wtf?
 
@Kyll Excellent!
@cimmanon What's the story here? There are no close votes, no edits.
 
@durron597 /;_;\
 
1:53 PM
@Mogsdad whoops, thought i voted on that one. there is simply not enough code there to reproduce a problem. in theory, what the OP has should work, and the answer there is wrong.
 
@durron597 Apart from the beyond-questionable review, the guy's only other answers are also arguably complete self-promotion: stackoverflow.com/questions/23673248/wordpress-bootstrap/…, stackoverflow.com/questions/18618184/…
 
@cimmanon Ok - that's what it looked like to me, but the lack of votes threw me. Thanks for clearing it up. The close reason is not "cannot reproduce" but "no mcve", then.
 
@PaulRoub This is currently a hot button issue for me though:
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Q: Make three "No Action Needed" required to remove something from First Posts and Late answers

durron597So I've recently learned my lesson about "No Action Needed" in the First Posts and Late answers queue. This has been discussed to death: So I failed this review audit Failed and banned for user who answered the question correctly? Looking for guidance on using "No Action Needed" in the first po...

@PaulRoub Those two answers are better, there is at least some content to them.
 
@Mogsdad yeah
 
@durron597 upvoted
 
2:05 PM
@Mogsdad I threw all my delete votes at the accepted answers.
 
@durron597 It's that day, isn't it!?
However... I used mine on 3rd-party already.
 
@Mogsdad no worries
 
@Mogsdad So you've only used 3 votes.
 
@durron597 Not spam?
 
2:18 PM
@NathanOliver he's disclosing affiliation.
 
I get that but it still reads like an advertisement. I would think that would still qualify. @JonClements are you around?
 
@approxiblue No.... used all 12. There are 5 different delete queries for related tags; I used mine on third-party-library.
 
@NathanOliver it tangentially relates to the question he asked
if you flag all 8 of his answers, the moderators will notice and take the appropriate action.
 
flag all 8 as spam?
 
@NathanOliver as NAA
Well, again
They're your flags.
 
2:20 PM
@Mogsdad Ah, I mean, third party. 3 votes? I'm sorry...
 
@NathanOliver If you think it's spam, then flag as spam. I think they're not spam, but they're your flags, your votes, do what you want.
 
@approxiblue I understood... the difference between third-party and was too subtle...
 
Yeah I just don't want to get burned with rejected spam flags. I'm going to NAA
 
My experience has been that if it's about programming, about a library, self disclosed affiliation, then it isn't spam
even if it's link only complete crap.
 
I get that.
 
2:23 PM
-24
Q: Why don't people read the question before editing and commenting?

Ramtin GhI noticed some minor problem in the design of SO ( and probably other Stack Exchange Network sites) So, I emailed them with the issue, and they replied me with a link to Stack Exchange Meta, So I posted it here and I got comments saying that the question is not clear and edits and downvote! It's ...

 
My mod flag from that T4 extension guy from yesterday is still out there. Guess the mods were to busy lounging around smoking cigars and sipping brandy.
 
^^^ Trainwreck alert
@NathanOliver so is mine
 
Very good answer. — peterh yesterday
Is it? Really?
 
2:34 PM
Remember that trainwreck? Look at one of the reopen votes. I knew that name was familiar
He had also commented on the question, but it must've been mod deleted.
 
I recognize the name from browsing the most downvoted questions on meta
 
@approxiblue as an asker or as a commenter
 
@durron597 asker
 
@durron597 His heart is in the right place, but his standards are too low.
@durron597 If you star a closed question, will you get notified if it gets reopened?
 
@Mogsdad I doubt it.
 
2:47 PM
If there is 5 of us we could test it
 
That's a good idea though, maybe there's a meta post about it.
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Q: Send authors an inbox message if their question gets closed

TheLQI think it would really help if you get notified that a question of yours was closed. Especially for the multi-site power user, usually (at least for me) a question is asked and then left alone for while. I rely on the network-wide inbox to tell me when someone has commented or answered, but if ...

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Q: Use inbox notification for close/open related activities

Kate GregoryWhen you get a comment on your question or answer, or when a comment @-mentions you, a red notification appears on the top bar inbox. When you get an answer to your question, a red notification appears as well. When someone edits your question or answer, you get a notification. When a question or...

 
Sweet my mod flag was processed. the guy is down to 4 answers now: stackoverflow.com/…
 
@durron597 Still pending for me.
 
^^ same here
 
2:59 PM
This whole NAA vs VLQ thing is the source of a lot of confusion it seems
 
Yeah. It has become quite subjective. I tend to err on the side of caution.
 
@NathanOliver I'm unsure which side that is.
 
I just flag NAA always now.
 
to me it is don't flag unless you really believe it is NAA or VLQ.
 
@NathanOliver Also this.
Though, I am still flagging 100 times daily
 
3:04 PM
Yeah, but I have trouble finding the boundary
Examples:
> Try this tutorial [link]
^ NAA
 
@Kyll NAA. Unambiguous.
 
@durron597 Those aren't duplicates... they all deal with the OP getting notified, none address starring a question. Although the fact that close & reopen events don't result in notifications to the OP would imply that they aren't notified to anyone. I think I'll also have to go to Yahoo! Answers...
 
> Try using a factory [link]
^ NAA?
> You should probably use getTheRightStuff class for that [link]
^ VLQ, possibly salvageable though editing an example in
 
Make your own answer
I think those are NAA but mods disagree with me, that's why I got declined above
 
Interesting... my Apigee custom-spam flags from Sept 4 are still pending. Anyone else have that?
 
3:07 PM
@Mogsdad I don't think I flagged those.
bbl
 
@durron597 I spam-flagged one, thinking that I'd added enough evidence with multiple custom flags outlining the spam-seed & response patterns. THAT got declined.
 
3:37 PM
"I searched in google and found nothing" = prior research
 
@approxiblue I think you mean "the google"
 
@durron597 waiting for the day someone uses "the bing" in this context
 
@approxiblue thats the best kind of research
 
Hi @cimmanon. I can type your name correctly, but in my mind I'm still reading it wrong...
 
@approxiblue tab completion helps.
@TinyGiant Do you know what advantance means? I don't.
 
3:57 PM
"Thanks in advance" is a prepaid plan: "I'll thank you now, but I might revoke that later." I don't like it.
 
Someone pinged?
 
@JonClements We wanted to know if we should flag this guy's answers from a few hours ago as spam or naa/vlq.
 
Wow you guys should be honoured - getting Python & Ruby room regulars popping by now :p
 
@approxiblue Thanks!
 
4:07 PM
@JonClements More expertises, more assurance for closures!
 
user4639281
@WayneConrad boom
 
user4639281
@durron597 lol
 
The more good people in here the better. We welcome all soldiers against the deluge.
 
Awesome, thanks for the help, guys. It's hard to get CV's on an old Ruby question.
 
user4639281
@WayneConrad np, it's what we do
 
user4639281
Check that out for easy cv request generation from the question page to a chatroom of your choice
 
user4639281
And, cv-requests in this room (as well as other rooms) get picked up by @Zephyr and are centralized in the Low Quality Posts HQ chat room
 
^ Also hideous. Does not include any build information or code
 
user4639281
@Kyll While I agree that it is hideous, your comment isn't constructive.
 
I did link to the markdown help. Should I have been more polite toward the post?
 
user4639281
4:27 PM
Yes
 
Let me fix that then...
 
user4639281
To me it is reads the same as. Your question is garbage.... here's some documentation.
 
user4639281
Which, while true, seems kind of Torvaldsian to me
 
What about this?
As it is currently written your question is very hard to read and understand. Please take a look at stackoverflow.com/editing-help then edit your question with the proper formatting. — Kyll 11 secs ago
 
user4639281
@Kyll Much better
 
4:30 PM
Ugh. It's pouring here.
Just went to Mission BBQ for lunch and had to run back from the parking lot in an effort to not get soaked.
Said effort failed.
 
user4639281
 
user4639281
It was something that Linus would say :)
 
Some tasted in programming please - Linus Torvald 2008
 
user4639281
Lol
 
Closed
 
user4639281
4:34 PM
@LynnCrumbling That sucks
 
so you can get dry a little bit... order here (is not my site...)
 
@Kyll Oh come on - it's not that hard to close something... just hit the close button :p
 
@JonClements Ouch, that's mean
:p
 
@LynnCrumbling Post something low quality, you'll be hung out to dry
 
yeah - bad puppy, bad puppy! :(
 
4:37 PM
Stop bullying the squirrel, puppy
 
user4639281
Could we get some on this one? still sitting at one and definitely doesn't have a complete reproducible example. Minimal for sure, but not complete or verifiable.
 
@TinyGiant Eh.. we need the rain ... I think it's the first time in a month that we had a good, soaking rain.
 
user4639281
@LynnCrumbling Well congratulations then :)
 
@approxiblue Nice play on words :)
 
@LynnCrumbling lol
 
4:51 PM
@Mogsdad that answer is naa too
 
Idea: Write an absolute crap question - let's call it the Canonical Crap Question. Add an answer that just contains all the links to FAQs, help topics, meta posts and blog entries that explain how to write a good question. Accept the answer, close the question. Then, use dupe-hammer to just dupe every bs question on your favourite tag to the CCQ, thereby reducing the effort required to rid the site of crap, while still educating induhviduals!
 
Your question would rip the universe in half when it creates a space-time paradox by which it closes itself.
 
@LynnCrumbling Once I determine a question is to be closed, I tend to ignore the answers. But if I'd read that, I might have duped the question... although someone may want to argue it's not an exact duplicate.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Duplicates are harder to get rid of
 
@Mogsdad Yeah, and the OP answerer is leaning that way in his comment on the answer.
 
user4639281
4:57 PM
201
A: Enable automatic deletion of old, unanswered zero-score questions after a year?

Jeff AtwoodJust to formally document the exact policies we have in place to remove old abandoned / dead questions, the Community user will delete questions in the following circumstances: If the question is more than 30 days old, and ... has −1 or lower score has no answers is not locked ...or... it ...

 
user4639281
Duplicates are excluded from the 9 days check
 
user4639281
So crap questions would stick around for another 21 days after closure at least if they have a score of -1
 
@TinyGiant Where's my sarcasm key?
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad It has a window symbol on it
 
@TinyGiant hehe
@TinyGiant... was there ever consideration for putting 'shortcut help' into the CV request tool?
 
user4639281
5:03 PM
@Mogsdad There was, I just finished moving all my stuff into my new place. I'll be doing some updates once I get settled.
 
user4639281
There hasn't been a confirmed bug (not due to user error or bad documentation) in a while so I'm going to work on request tag customizability.
 
@TinyGiant Good. Because I end up opening the Github page to check them all the time. My memory isn't what it used to be.
 
user4639281
Any other feature requests you guys would like to see in the next version, start an issue on github.
 
I'm at that age where you realize something really important. And then * Poof *, you can't remember what you were thinking about.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad I've always been that way.
 
user4639281
5:06 PM
Don't know why I said facebook. That's weird lol.
 
What's the shortcut to open the cv-request form again?
 
@Kyll ctrl+shift+a
 
Rhaa I wanted to try this but thought I was confusing it with WebStorm
@durron597 Thanks
 
5:24 PM
Please confirm or deny: If a 0 score question is more than 30 days old and has no answers, just downvoting it to -1 should be all that is required to have it automatically deleted by the Roomba.
 
@Mogsdad Maybe
 
@Kyll :\
 
Wasn't there a big MSE post with all the auto-deletion rules in human language?
 
@Kyll i posted a link to some of them yesterday, its on the meta.se site, not meta.so
 
@Kyll I've read this. I'm asking because when we've been burninating, we have been close-voting abandoned questions, which may be unnecessary. I just want to confirm before adding that as a specific clean-up action.
 
5:35 PM
back
 
@NathanOliver wb
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 2 hours ago, by Bart
If "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" is all you post, I'd say you're abusing the site and should be on your way out asap.
 
^^ concur
 
@NathanOliver I got a declined flag for a gibberish answer.
Which until that tavern discussion I would have flagged as NAA or VLQ.
 
5:37 PM
So bart is saying flag for abuse for "ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff"?
 
> idft7gr0oerpig-]5t9h-]50t g[e5th9p065y0 E%Tgoiyh]450t[ghk5togirgbmorgt97hbu[erfiriiiifwoegoeihgeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerh‌​gerigeoejergprfsrfo oeg[erber]gi eger0gusgouurt[effys egim amd rrog gg
 
It's not offensive though - that's why I declined that flag
downvote it, cast a delete vote, flag as NAA/VLQ if you really want
 
I thought gibberish was always considered abuse
 
@JonClements Isn't the flag rude or abusive?
 
user4639281
Wrong usage of abusive.
 
5:41 PM
it's just crap... it's not spam/rude/abusive or anything - it's just noise - it's a downvote, delete vote if you can, and if you wanna flag as naa/vlq it'd fit both
 
user4639281
Not to be used for conceived abuse of the site.
 
but yeah... couldn't see that account going anywhere anyway, so I nuked it when handling the flags anyway
 
user4639281
Otherwise I could say that users who don't read the rules and post any kind of low quality content are abusing the rules (and my patience) so then could flag as abusive.
 
user4639281
Not so
 
NAA, got it
 
5:43 PM
I'm just annoyed because I never would have flagged as abusive until 10 minutes ago.
Whatever
I'm surprised those tavern guys aren't getting declined flags all the time.
 
difference between SE and SO?
I have always treated gibberish as NAA as it makes not attempt to answer.
 
@JonClements I really would like to see abusive be a valid flag or that kind of crap. If I recall correctly if enough users flag for abusive no mod will be involved. So that explains why the Tavern is successful with those flags. cc @durron597
 
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Q: How should I handle gibberish answers?

cpburnzI just came across this answer in the low quality review queue: hh fgbfdhbfghgfhngfnj safsdfhn kljhn fjkhnb fjhbn fjkhn dsfjkhbn vfduji ujhiuf juihbnf juhbn fvbjuihnbfc jbki ufu g juig fvhg I voted to deleted it with no comment necessary, and down voted it. Are those the appropriate steps? ...

 
@JonClements... since you're here.. I've got flags that are pending after almost a week, all around the same spammy incident. Is that normal? What's up?
 
user4639281
@durron597 No offense, but I can't see how no one called bullshit on that when it was brought up. The abusive flag should only ever be used for posts that contain abusive language.
 
user4639281
5:50 PM
I blame the moderator in that room.
 
@NathanOliver Ok, again, abusive flags work if you find enough members to flag before a mod can handle the flag.
 
@rene I hate to gamble :)
 
user4639281
So you need five other members to flag as abusive.
 
Yep
 
user4639281
And I believe that screws with statistics
 
5:52 PM
@TinyGiant Yeah, you lose 100 reputation for accepted spam or offensive flags: stackoverflow.com/help/whats-reputation
 
@TinyGiant I'm concerned about the quality, not about the unhappiness of some statistician ...
 
I only use it for really clearcut cases
 
@josilber yep, new/fresh account, first post, no sign of ever contributing positively... no mercy
 
How can you query locked questions for a tag?
 
@Mogsdad Normal search or SEDE?
 
5:57 PM
@Mogsdad [r] locked:yes
 
@josilber I guess it doesn't like multiple tags.... stackoverflow.com/…
 
@Mogsdad Doesn't that mean the question needs all those tags at the same time and to be locked?
 
For instance: [r] [python] locked:yes only returns a single question that is tagged with both
 
@josilber DAMMIT
The ORs are getting smunged on query entered in top-right search box.
 
6:01 PM
@Mogsdad like this?
 
That started as [third-party*][3rd-party*]
@rene yep
 
user4639281
Ok, but a mod flag would be more useful. Alerting someone who has the power to handle the situation and was elected by the community to handle such situations is the best route to take. It's one thing to have the power that we do in this room with coordination of voting. I see using the abusive flag for content that is not abusive is a worse abuse of the system than the comment is.
 
Ok, I'm better now...
 
user4639281
Coordinating abuse of the system is much worse than one person abusing the system every time.
 
@TinyGiant It must be the sheer crap I have seen to go down that route ... I'll think about it...
 
user4639281
6:07 PM
@rene Even in the case that it is utter unintelligible garbage, it still is not abusive.
 
@rene probably. It may also depend on time of day
 
Sure, I see your point. Not following any rules for a given site is abusing the rules in my mind. But I'm happy to dv and flag vlq from now on.
 
@TinyGiant It depends on your definition of abusive, I suppose.
 
user4639281
It has to contain abusive language.
 
user4639281
ffffffffffffffffff is not in anyway abusive language.
 
6:11 PM
Adjective: abusive ‎(comparative more abusive, superlative most abusive)
  1. Wrongly used; perverted; misapplied; unjust; illegal. [First attested in the mid 16th century.]I am ... necessitated to use the word Parliament improperly, according to the abusive acceptation thereof. - Fuller
  2. (archaic) Catachrestic. [First attested in the mid 16th century.]
  3. Prone to ill treat by coarse, insulting words or by other ill usage; vituperative; reproachful; scurrilous. [First attested in the early 17th century.]An abusive lampoon. - Samuel Johnson A dictionary of the English language
  4. (obsolete) Tending to deceive; fraudulent. [Attested only from the early to mid 17th century.]An abusive treaty. - Francis Bacon
  5. (archaic) Given to misusing; also, full of abuses.
(4 more not shown…)
 
Oh, that might be one reason for flagging abusive. I can't dv on the sites I only have a spam account
 
Is this worthy of a close vote for "not minimal"?
 
@SmokeDetector tpu- SPAMMMMMM
 
@TinyGiant In this FAQ it says abuse of the system is a reason for using the abusive flag. That only leaves us if an post with only fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff is to be considered abuse of the system...
 
the question is worthy of close votes though
 
6:18 PM
@Siguza god don't sort linked lists ever
Cv-custom "dont sort linked lists for any reason"
copy to array, sort, remake linked list
 
@rene Interesting -- particularly the comments by animuson are relevant here and support what you and @durron597 are saying.
Probably still safer to flag as NAA/VLQ, but at least one mod thinks gibberish could be flagged as abusive.
 
@durron597 PHP people be like "why not just cast to SortedList?"
 
@hvd We've established in past discussions that abuse of the system qualifies under the offensive flag. Posting gibberish that doesn't mean anything is definitely abusing the system. — animuson ♦ Feb 25 at 15:07
 
Why can't we just change "spam" to "spam/bullshit"? -.-'
 
@Siguza I guess because spam is much worse than bullshit and we might end up with worse spam filters if we lump in other content?
 
6:22 PM
@SmokeDetector fp- crap, but not spam or gibberish
 
error happened!
0: The remote server returned an error: (404) Not Found.
 
@Closey Attn: @Sam
 
@durron597 Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
error happened!
0: An attempt to post a dupelicate message has been made.
 
@Closey @Sam I don't think that word is spelled the way you think it is spelled.
 
@durron597 Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
6:24 PM
@josilber that mod is now an SE employee...
 
@rene yup
 
user4639281
2
A: What is the difference between misuse and abuse cases in security?

Tom LeekThe nuance is subtle and not well-defined, but if you really want to make a distinction between misuse and abuse, then I'd say that abuse is "misuse with malicious intent". E.g. running while carrying a powered chainsaw is misuse; doing so on purpose in a crowded mall is abuse.

 
user4639281
That metric should be used
 
user4639281
Malicious intent is required.
 
user4639281
Otherwise it's just misuse and not abuse
 
6:29 PM
The powered chainsaw metric
 
user4639281
Yeah
 
Sam
@durron597 Lol, nah. I'm just so used to saying "dupe" all the time it eventually becomes a (bad) habit.
I'll correct that later.
@durron597 please hold, while we connect you to a member of our technical team...
 
user4639281
So seeing as there is no way to tell if the user meant to post an answer as oapiwbrguipoawbgo;iawbnawinfoipawnebfuiopwaebf or it was a cat walking across the keyboard, I would say that usage of the abusive flag for such content is unwarranted.
 
@Sam queue <muzak>
 
@TinyGiant Requesting the "That answer was written by a drunk side-rolling cat" flag option
 
user4639281
6:34 PM
There you go.
 
Sam
@durron597 On a serious note, I'll check it out in a few mins or so.
 
user4639281
Now, I could see the case made (with that metric) that posting a comment as an answer because you cannot post an answer when you know that you shouldn't (as evidenced by "I know this is a comment but I don't have enough rep to comment yet.") is abuse of the system.
 
user4639281
However, putting a -100 penalty on a user for doing so seems highly counter-intuitive to me.
 
user4639281
But, from the standpoint of "Get rid of users that don't fit into the Stack Overflow paradigm NOW!!!!" it would make sense.
 
I didn't fit into the SO paradigm
 
user4639281
6:38 PM
At the same time, I still think it would be better to let a moderator handle it. Being that is what they were elected to do
 
I got some of my early answers downvoted to hell and then deleted
because I had no clue how the whole thing actually worked
 
user4639281
I'm sorry I just can't get behind 6 users having that much power without outside oversight.
 
Now looky me, hunting bounty and stuff
 
user4639281
That's you taking it upon yourself to do the moderator's job.
 
user4639281
@JonC does a user having multiple posts deleted as offensive bring the user to the attention of the moderators?
 
6:45 PM
I'm always afraid if I answer a question, and the user updates their question to say "thanks @durron597" in the question, and I edit it out, they'll get annoyed and remove my checkmark
 
@durron597 Hmm, in my experience that is almost always a comment instead of an edit to the question.
 
^
 
user4639281
@cybermonkey Good 'nuff
 
@durron597 Interesting -- is that common for you?
 
6:50 PM
Do you know what you are doing at all? This code is copy-pasted from (this question)[stackoverflow.com/questions/28364636/…. — cybermonkey 10 secs ago
 
Maybe I'm just bad at noticing if/when it happens to me
 
@josilber I wouldn't call it common, but I wouldn't call it rare either.
Let's just go with it happens "uncommonly"
 
@Kyll bad edit, should've been rejected as it changes the underlying code (that could therefore render the answers invalid).
 
@cybermonkey wat?
 
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