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12:54 AM
@durron597 Or when excluding locked questions: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/357975/…
 
1:20 AM
@durron597 My edit? That post hasn't been edited
oh
the answer that was deleted
 
I had a flag rejected. The OP edited their answer so that it was no longer a question. Suckage. stackoverflow.com/posts/32318646/revisions
 
@approxiblue If there were no answers, maybe. The accepted answer's pretty good, and the question could be easily edited to focus on technical aspects of the A/B decision.
 
@Mogsdad I failed that audit. I didn't see the answer. stackoverflow.com/review/first-posts/9349148
 
@TylerH Great flow of consciousness tags on that one!
@approxiblue Yep... always look to see if there are answers. I haven't seen an audit lying about the number of answers, but it could happen. But with all questions, the answers need to be part of the keep/kill decision. (Or so I'm learning...)
 
1:33 AM
@Mogsdad Thanks.
I'm on a week-long ban now. And it didn't help that I just came out of a month-long one... :<
@Mogsdad This affects you and long gold badge holders meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/303881/…
 
You should take more time to determine whether you should approve things.
 
@approxiblue That sucks, but it explains why people are often challenging the audit questions on meta - the past decisions don't always hold up with our current standards. (goes both ways, as well)
@TylerH Not always time - but (in this case) take into account more than just the presented post. When I see head-scratchers, I almost always hit the "link" to see the whole Q&A. Side-benefit of that for audits is that you'll often see discrepancies vs what was presented in the review queue... tag differences, date differences mostly.
 
that's just something you do while taking more time
 
@Mogsdad Also I thought the ban length reset after a month, but that doesn't seem to be the case. That was the only audit I failed since the last ban, but I got one week right away.
 
@approxiblue Thanks for sticking up for me!
 
1:43 AM
^^
 
@approxiblue There is probably a leaky-bucket algorithm in play. I know that you see fewer audits when you consistently pass them.
 
@Mogsdad It's terrible, now I actually have to go back to answering questions again.
 
Good thing that there are other things you can do with your time, outside of the review queues.
Lots of editing and voting to be done on & , for example.
Hopefully nobody gets caught by that audit question again.
 
audit question?
 
Do we leave intact if the question should be closed?
 
1:56 AM
Sorry Mogsdad
 
@approxiblue Usually. There are a few exceptions. For duplicates (like the many "Android source connection to Eclipse questions), I de-tag them and THEN close / dup. I have de-tagged a couple that we in the room were unsure about, the idea there being that the community around the tag will know better what to do.
@TylerH See... you would have failed the audit! (I'm not unhappy that there's a dup.)
 
nah I would've passed it probably because I always open questions in a new tab
 
@TylerH Feels good to kill of an audit question, though, doesn't it?!
 
2:15 AM
@Mogsdad yep, always a good feeling
 
First thatguy, now that other guy. I wonder who will be next?
 
Asking about specific external site: stackoverflow.com/questions/7373066/… Should this be closed?
 
2:33 AM
Ok, completed editing down to 700+ views. Here are the 6 questions needing close votes. Or saving, if you're so inclined.
@approxiblue Since we throw so many questions into the queue while burninating a tag, there's no need to request closes on every question. (Not that that's what you're doing.) Once in a while (daily lately), I like to just remind people when there has been a burst of editing that has loaded the queue with new close-vote questions. (Rene had it targeted during today's close event, and that took care of about 50.)
@approxiblue Unless... are you out of close votes?
 
approxiblue can't cast close votes
at only 2k rep, he can only review suggested edits
 
Ah yes... 2K.
 
@Mogsdad That's more or less what I'm doing, I'll refrain. I'm 2k.
 
It is preferred that we not flood the room with CV requests
only if there's a bad case where there's activity going on in a bad question
or an old question has been necromanced from the grave by a new (bad) answer
 
@approxiblue Yeah... just edit the keepers.
 
3:06 AM
@josilber Congrats!
 
@approxiblue Thanks!
 
3:21 AM
@Deduplicator I don't think that query is good, there should be a lot more -6 questions.
 
Make that 600! Just 12 questions w/ >600 views left in that need close votes!
... and the review queue is loaded up.
Nighty-night!
 
 
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5:25 AM
Hi. Can I request for a question to be protected here?
Never mind. Flagged for mod attention.
 
 
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6:37 AM
What ever happened to the link-only flag? stackoverflow.com/a/32324127/1401094
 
 
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10:38 AM
@durron597 Made a mistake when filtering out locked questions. Corrected: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/357975/…
 
11:30 AM
@SmokeDetector why?
 
@Deduplicator Body - Position 514-518: Nike
 
11:48 AM
Good morning
 
@NathanOliver hi. Already flagged ^^^^?
 
Yes.
 
 
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1:05 PM
morning!
 
@gunr2171 moin
 
a new day, a new set of votes
 
yep. got some spam flags in already.
 
Good morafterevening everyone.
 
Anonymous
1:16 PM
Any 10k-er here?
 
We have a little problem with . Someone is editing questions that already had close votes on them.
@FrancescoMenzani Y
 
Anonymous
@Mogsdad Can I have a screenshot? stackoverflow.com/questions/32299770/…
 
Anonymous
I'd like to start a discussion on Meta.
 
> I think Francesco Menzani thinks he is god. He's a bloody a wanker. That's what he is. All he does is just edit your posts to make your reputation shit. JUST STOP MAN
 
1:21 PM
mines smaller :p
 
@FrancescoMenzani Before you do that... what would you hope to accomplish?
@cimmanon No appropriate response.
@FrancescoMenzani A moderator has already gotten involved, so if there are any sanctions to be taken against that user, they will happen.
 
Anonymous
@Mogsdad It would not be about sanctions.
 
@FrancescoMenzani Ok... but what then?
 
Anonymous
If people don't like me editing their posts, then I have a problem.
 
pretty sure there is already a meta post about people throwing temper tantrums regarding others editing their stuff
 
1:27 PM
@Tarod - Please drop in to the SO Close Vote Review chat room. I'd like your help with "source" tag burnination.
 
@Mogsdad Should we invite them here to talk about it?
 
@NathanOliver Just did. User: Tarod.
@FrancescoMenzani And no, YOU don't have a problem.
 
@NathanOliver No... that user chose to "reject and edit" I think. I've seen many of Tarod's tag removals go through the queue.
 
1:30 PM
Unfortunately, I saw that because of the "edit" count on the question, and didn't get the review URL at the time.
And it's not in review history.
Just invited him again, with comment on his most recent answer.
 
Hopefully he will come on in here
 
@FrancescoMenzani Did you want to tell us the problem, rather than inviting a mob on Meta?
Chances are, some of us have "been there, done that".
 
But starting a mob is so much fun!
 
Aug 18 at 18:52, by Mogsdad
@durron597 That's it. I can't take it any more! I'm getting my pitchfork! Do you have the tar? Who has feathers?!
 
1:39 PM
So we have text, then an image, inb4 youtube video posted
 
@Deduplicator Again, the point is that my solution might not be best, not that I'm wrong about the problem
I think that I, you, and @josilber are all correct the problem is real, the problem is, do we really want to be warning people about it.
 
unless you also vote to close, maybe
 
@gunr2171 Can't seem to reach [Tarod](stackoverflow.com/users/4719550/tarod], so hoping he visits that page before he heads on his frequent de-tagging missions.
 
yep, hope we can educate him
 
1:51 PM
@gunr2171 Check his profile - he's sabotaging the deletes.
 
@Kyll it's funny, I was going to use that comment as well
@Mogsdad I know if you edit a post it's still reviewable in the CV queue. Does the same apply for deletion?
oh god, that's 5+ pages of those edits
and all of those got approved?
 
@gunr2171 That's yet another problem
@Tarod - STOP REMOVING THE SOURCE TAGS, NOW! Please respond to the multiple requests you've received to visit chat. — Mogsdad 33 secs ago
Can we get him edit-banned?
 
@ProgramFOX, is there a way we can use the edit monitor (in the other room) to blacklist a particular author?
@Mogsdad custom mod flag?
 
Some of his reviews are suspect too. stackoverflow.com/review/triage/9356479
 
@gunr2171 The edits send closed questions into the reopen queue.
 
1:58 PM
Is he edited already-closed questions?
isn't the problem that it's not closed yet questions?
 
@gunr2171 Certainly after the almost-closed questions. This is the one that caught my attention. I knew it had 4 close votes last night; it was our ONLY remaining open question with more than 600 views.
Two of us have voted again.
When I saw it this morning, it was marked with a pending edit.
That was my earlier screenshot
The edit got approved; 4 wasted close votes.
 
oh, hum...
 
@gunr2171 Possibly, would need to check.
 
oh look, it's haskell TylerH
 
@gunr2171 Don't you sully my good name
 
2:06 PM
:D
If anyone is going to reject suggested edits, here is a reason you can use:
> The [source] tag is being cleaned. Simply removing this tag from posts that need to be closed is detrimental to the cause.
 
Anonymous
@Mogsdad No matter. Thanks.
 
hum, in the suggested edit queue you can filter by tag. If I filter by [source], will it still pick it up when the tag is being removed?
time to find out, for science!
 
@Mogsdad closed now
 
@TylerH Just one... sigh.
 
Should this be downvoted, del-voted or can it be salvaged?
 
2:10 PM
@Mogsdad how does an edit clear close votes?
 
@cimmanon It doesn't, though an in-queue one will kill flags. I'm not sure whether an out-of-queue edit has any impact on the CV-task (I think it doesn't), but it certainly makes it far more likely the votes will expire.
 
@gunr2171 I don't think it will help much. According to the users profile he hasn't been on in an hour so it is likely the damage has been done. Worst part is we can't find the questions now besides using his edit history as has now been removed. :(
 
@gunr2171 YES! He is editing already closed questions... which will upset the roomba in some cases and risk delete votes in others. stackoverflow.com/questions/10604932/…
 
I'm not suggesting as a fix-all, but just a small step. Mabye will help other people
 
2:16 PM
I'm writing a meta post.
 
have my pitch fork
 
I can get tar
 
@NathanOliver you can always rollback his edit
 
@TylerH well, it's a sticky situation
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Q: Appropriate actions for user making multiple accepted incorrect edits

gunr2171This user has made multiple edits recently where he adds Thanks in advance to the end. I know this is wrong to do because it puts words in the user's mouth and we are not supposed to say "thanks" or make a signature. The issue is that the edits are substantial, minus the ending, so most of the ...

 
@TylerH Yeah but I can't find which question to roll back unless I go through his edit history.
 
2:21 PM
The problem is, rolling back an edit resets the roomba.
 
@Mogsdad, still writing that post? Might want to hold off
 
NAA (edit reflag request): stackoverflow.com/a/32333065/1768232
 
Hello there.
 
@Tarod Hi!
 
Hello Tarod, welcome to chat
 
2:24 PM
Thanks for dropping in.
I've seen many of your edits on questions. We'd like to steer your enthusiasm, if we may.
 
I've received some messages about stopping removing source tag.
Yep. Sorry if I made something wronf.
*wrong.
 
That was me. Give me moment, then I'll explain. (work is interrupting.)
 
OK, no problem.
 
The big thing is that if the post should be closed, flag to close it instead of editing. There are a lot of behind-the-scenes systems that get reset or interrupted if you edit.
Plus it makes it harder for us to close what needs to be closed.
 
@Tarod The questions that should have removed are the ones that should not be closed only
If it's a bad question, we should keep the source tag on it to make it easier for us to close it and clean it.
 
2:28 PM
Once all the bad questions are closed, and the good questions are edited to remove the tag, then the developers auto-magically make the tag go away. So no need to remove the tag from bad posts.
 
Oh, I understand. But in the questions I checked, not always it's possible to close the post.
 
@Tarod at 3,000 reputation, users gain close votes they can cast to close any unlocked, open question
These votes aren't visible to you at only 800 rep
 
What do you mean? The only time you can't CV is on a bounty or it's locked.
 
@Tarod In this room, while we appreciate the desire to help, we strongly recommend people to wait to get actively involved in moderation until they have at least 2000 rep, preferably 3000 rep.
At 800 rep, generally speaking most users don't really understand the system well enough, so they make mistakes that really are mostly due to lack of experience, not any sort of ill intent.
I know I didn't understand the system particularly well when I had 800 rep.
 
So, if I'm not wrong, we should remove the tag only in good questions which doesn't need any edition, am I right?
 
2:31 PM
Hell I am still confused with some of the systems
 
Well, no problem, really.
I will stop of removing tags.
 
@Tarod which doesn't need to be closed. Yes
 
@Tarod Really - you should only be making substantial edits.
 
Please, don't worry about helping us remove this tag. Instead, just focus on answering questions and learning what makes a good question and a good answer.
 
The tag edits should not have been approved.
 
2:32 PM
In fact, if there is some way of restore the deleted tags, please, do it.
 
2k'ers can rollback edits, but that's 5+ pages to work through.
 
I'm so sorry, guys.
 
@Tarod It's okay. Again, we appreciate the sentiment!
 
@gun2171 OMG :(
@gunr2171 I meant.
 
Hey, but now you know, and knowing is half the battle
 
2:34 PM
@Tarod Once you have a really good handle on what makes a good question and a good answer (by asking and answering questions), then come back in here and we'd love to have you help us out... when you get to 3000 rep.
 
OK, thanks again for your help.
 
I'll tidy up all my notes.
 
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Q: Only prohibit those who edited the tags from using the dupe hammer

PotatoswatterI have a gold c++ badge but this question wasn't closed when I marked it as a duplicate. The OP had left out the language tag, and it was only added later by an edit. Looking closer, no less than three "golden badgers" voted to close the question, yet it still waited for 5 votes and attracted a...

 
And again, sorry for the annoyances.
Can I do anything else? Apart from no removing more tags, I mean :-/
 
2:37 PM
@durron597 reflagged. And editor responded
 
@Tarod If you see a question that needs to be improved and you can improve it then by all means improve it. Just make sure you don't put words in the OP's mouth.
 
All right. Thank you.
 
@Tarod Use your flags to identify bag source posts. Those will feed it into the Close Vote Queue where we can close it quickly.
(flag to close)
 
@Tarod Yes, using "Flag -> Should be Closed" on the bad questions will help us quite a bit.
 
Understood.
 
2:43 PM
@Tarod And anytime you have a question about anything on the site, drop in - there's almost always somebody here who will gladly provide an opinion.
 
@Mogsdad OK, thanks. Last question. Must I do something to restore the tags?
 
@Tarod No, we'll handle it.
 
That ^^
 
unfortunately, in order for you to restore the tags you would need to make another suggested edit, which would just complicate things more. Let us worry about it.
 
@Tarod You can also go to meta.stackoverflow.com with question about how SO works.
 
2:45 PM
There are other chat rooms as well, such as
 
Fine. Well, it's time to leave. Thanks and sorry again. I really appreciate your time.
 

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@Tarod Later and thank you for stopping by.
 
I didn't know all those rooms. But in any case, before starting my own battle, I will ask first.
 
@durron597 It would be good to complete the closures & deletes, at least.
 
2:46 PM
Bye!
 
Take care!
 
You too :)
 
@durron597 Some % of questions would have been rejected & edited by 2K+ users, so likely we've lost those.
 
@gunr2171 It isn't. ?
 
2:49 PM
@ProgramFOX disregard that, situation resolved
 
@gunr2171 Y'know, great minds and stuff
 
Oh yeah, we still need to make that repo of the collected auto comments
 
@Mogsdad If a smart 2k+ rejected and edited a question into on-topic-ness, I'm not worried about it.
 
@durron597 Me neither. Have only seen one - and that's not what they did.
 
2:55 PM
@ProgramFOX How hard do you think it would be to detect answers that had 90% or more of it's text bold?
 
@durron597 It might be something that I can test, but is it for spam, or just LQ stuff?
 
sigh wrong people meta effect again
 
3:14 PM
@NathanOliver Theoretically you could get a gold badge before you get mod tools
Get 1000 score in one tag while getting enough downvotes on other tags to keep your rep below 10000. Or by giving out bounties
Now I'm curious how many times that's happened
 
@TylerH Yes technically you could. I don't think it happens in the real world but it might.
 
@ProgramFOX both I guess
@TylerH Really, bounties would be the way for to happen.
 
@durron597 In fact I haven't seen much fully-bold spam, so I'm not sure if it would be worth the effort to add a filter. And sure, fully-bold posts need to be fixed, but that's outside Smokey's scope.
 
@durron597 Bounties don't add to the tag score.
Tag score is just upvotes on answers.
 
@Mogsdad I think he means giving bounties, which removes from your rep
which is what I said just before
I can stay under 10k rep by continuously giving bounties to other people
 
3:18 PM
@TylerH Ah. Caught sleeping in class. Again.
 
Don't make me come kick your desk!
 
Yeah, that sentence was just "me agreeing with Tyler"
I don't think the downvotes way is particularly realistic.
Remember you also need 400 answers in a tag.
 
yeah, since they're only -2
 
@TylerH I prefer to wake up alone in a dark classroom, thanks.
 
@Mogsdad Nostalgia?
 
3:20 PM
@durron597: Found any more errors in that query? chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/25433984#25433984
 
@durron597 Yeah. And a history teacher with a wicked dry sense of humour.
 
Anyone here atm who is familiar with Indian culture/an Indian?
 
@Deduplicator I couldn't find that reclose as dupe question that was annoying me
Are you filtering out only the latest close reason, now? I didn't look carefully at it.
 
WRT re-ing Tarod's edits... I'm bringing back (a) open questions with close votes, (b) closed questions with delete votes, (c) roomba-eligible closed questions needing downvotes. I'm leaving (and often completing) good edits. I was also leaving net-0 closed roomba-eligible questions... @durron, are you OK with that?
 
Yes, only the latest close-reson is considered.
 
3:25 PM
@TylerH NA or Asian?
 
The error I corrected was wrong filtering of locked posts
 
@Mogsdad Asian
 
@TylerH Somewhat.
 
@Mogsdad I agree, only comment I'd make is that if something actually is salvagable into a good question, do that edit. But that goes without saying, likely.
 
@Mogsdad I was going to ask if "Rohit Singh" was a common enough name that multiple people on SO would have it.
 
3:26 PM
@durron597 Those are the "good edits".
@TylerH Should be pretty common...
 
Google says 84 people in the US have that name
 
I ask because I swear I've seen a guy with this name as a huge help vampire before stackoverflow.com/questions/32335269/…
 
@TylerH Rohit is typically a Hindi name from the south (according to Rohit, sitting 2 cubes to my left). Singh is a Sikh name, so the combination is rare, in Indian terms.
 
Rare * Over_A_Billion = A lot
 
How do we stop this question from getting reopened! stackoverflow.com/questions/19095682/…
 
3:38 PM
@Mogsdad Try and find it in the review queue and vote to keep it closed from there. then it would just be someone who stumbles upon it that could cast a reopen vote.
 
It's not in the Reopen queue yet, I don't think
since it was only closed 20 hours ago
 
@TylerH I've been through the queue... not there (for me, anyway.) So, where did the two reopen votes come from?
 
@TylerH Doesn't it having reopen votes on it put it in the queue?
 
@Mogsdad two passersby thanks to pbaris' edit
 
@TylerH Must be.
 
3:41 PM
@NathanOliver it takes 24 hours for questions to hit the cv and reopen queue
 
I'll add "source" again, so we can keep an eye on it. Crap.
 
Did not know that. Bummer
 
3:53 PM
 
@gunr2171 I hope you haven't spent this whole time working on that
 
nope, just got here
took about 5 minutes to write
 
And no, not quite. That would work ostensibly, but as you can see from the results it's just returning suspended users
 
funny thing, all of those users are suspended
 
@gunr2171 I think those are suspended users.
 
3:55 PM
I'm more curious about people who, at the time of earning their gold badge, their reputation was less than 10,000
 
oh, well that would be harder to calculate
 
yeah
 
Wow this guy got got a long suspension: stackoverflow.com/users/2665694/andreas-jung
 
I've seen one who was suspended for like 25 years
 
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Q: Suspension till 2027

nicael This account is temporarily suspended for rule violations. The suspension period ends on Feb 1 '27 at 19:59. Er... What?! Till 1 february 2027?! This is user2398036. Depending on the severity of the problem behavior — and at the complete discretion of the moderator — your account wil...

 
4:01 PM
It would be great if tag-only edits were blocked for low rep users. I'm on the 3rd page of these edits. I can't believe they got approved!
 
Well, you don't get rep for tag-only edits
under 2k
so there is that, at least
and they don't count for the editor badges
 
weird
I'm pretty sure that was turned off at one point
 
:lunch:
 
@durron597 "Which project types are not supported by Monodevelop?", "Yes, such project types exist, here is where you can learn more"
 
@durron597 Seems link-only?
 
@gunr2171 good comment
 
thanks
 
The question is not particularly enlightening though
 
4:46 PM
It might be an XY problem. Instead of asking for a list, ask why the one they are using doesn't work
 
wow it's 3am, night/morning/afternoon everyone
 
afternoon here. cya!
 
morning here for another 10 minutes
 
you and your "central" time
 
lol. I think we get the best TV schedule because we are "central"
 
4:52 PM
well they always say "4, 5 central"
 
@gunr2171 other way around. 10, 9 central
 
they again, I have the internet, no need for TV
oh durp, yep. See previous message
 
lovely
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Q: Two elements in array whose XOR is maximum using a Trie

utkarsh13Given an array of integers ,You have to find two elements whose XOR is maximum. There is a brute force to do it in O(N^2) by picking each element and xoring with other elements. Now, there is a solution to this problem using trie. The link to solution is Tutorial on Trie and example problems. b...

 
@utkarsh13 if you can't do your homework, but I do, do I get your degree? — ScottMcGready 25 secs ago
appropriate username
 
And gone. He had a comment saying if we can;t answer then don't down vote and I responded back It's not that we can't answer it but we wont as it is too broad and shows no effort on your part.
 
5:16 PM
@SmokeDetector why?
 
@NathanOliver Body - Position 2366-2370: fuck
 
Is there a stock explanation for this, other than pointing them to the [source] burnination meta page? stackoverflow.com/a/4781742/1324
 
@PaulRoub Exactly.
The downvotes shouldn't be affecting rep anyway, I thought that would have happened with the close.
 
@Mogsdad thx
 
@PaulRoub That's one of my auto-comments... I've been using it a lot lately!
 
5:28 PM
@Mogsdad He did get a rep penatly from the downvotes. stackoverflow.com/users/503900/…
they must have been new
should this be a vote to zero? stackoverflow.com/a/8155067/4342498
 
@NathanOliver Actually, this says rep would be lost upon deletion, not close. So for the questions we're downvoting for the Roomba, users see the effects of the downvotes immediately. (Rather than when then Roomba finally deletes the question.)
@NathanOliver Yep
There are more on the way, too...
 
5:46 PM
OK... Done re-editing 7 pages of the questions Tarod had re-tagged. That puts a bunch back into the review queue and in need of down and/or delete votes. There were about 30 that would have been roomba'd by now, but have been reset to the end of next week.
 
@durron597 Broad
If you care to edit it to narrow it, go ahead... you'll be taking words out of the OP's mouth, for a change of pace.
 
I don't think it's too broad in it's current form
He has a pretty specific problem with his shell environment
The rant at the bottom is about widening the scope for XY problem reasons.
I want to do X. You can't do X. Well, what I really need to do is Y, how do I do Y?
X is his "what have you tried"
 

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