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12:43 AM
@Deduplicator You see my revision to the legal post and the in the starboard?
 
1:01 AM
@hlovdal technically, the other question is the duplicate (since it is newer), but both questions are pretty broad.
 
One question everyone: Up/Down Vote or Likes?
 
@NSGod huh?
@cimmanon done
 
@durron597 he seems to be asking that in multiple rooms
 
1:17 AM
@cimmanon ah
 
1:36 AM
@durron597 Yes. The added links are nicer than re-doing them by hand. And I did a few.
 
1:56 AM
@Deduplicator I should probably add a link to the "current deletion" project like I did on the starboard
 
2:08 AM
I hate bikeshedding so so much!
 
!!/whoami
 
@apnorton My id for this room is 5191897
 
Ok, that test is done. Sorry for barging in.
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported question: Check if a given key already exists in a dictionary by Mohan Gulati on stackoverflow.com
 
 
2 hours later…
5:16 AM
@hlovdal needs 2 more votes
 
 
6 hours later…
11:03 AM
 
11:39 AM
@Kyll it looks that way to me. Question is just asking "is this possible?" which is a broad question imo and opens itself up to equally broad answers.
Just checking the 2 answers and his got two very different ways of answering the same thing. So looks broad-ish to me imo.
Also if anyone has flags/CV's left, here's an easy one for you: [Too Broad] stackoverflow.com/questions/31839113/…
Somehow that one managed to slip through
 
good morning
 
11:57 AM
morning
 
did you ever get some sleep @JonClements?
 
oh... sometimes :p
how fares your day?
 
good so far. just started so we shall see. good news it is friday and I get to leave work early so yeah, I got that going for me.
yourself?
 
oh... SSDD? :p
 
12:15 PM
good news. the serial down voting got reversed. wasn't sure if 3 was enough to trigger it
 
12:28 PM
the system is generally quite good with that
it's not 100% right, and in such cases a mod can raise a ticket to the CM team to review and manually invalidate votes etc...
 
cool. it was 3 votes in 4 seconds so i figured it was a serial down votes. I wasn't to worried since it was only 6 rep but they were good answers and I hate seeing good answers getting down votes
 
morning!
 
morning
 
@Kyll finding meta post about yes/no answers
best one I could find
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Q: Where is the line for yes/no questions?

Gayot FowAs a daily visitor I should first report that the quality of questions for the tags I monitor is on a clear up-tick. So whatever's being done in the background is having a favourable result. Having said that, I wanted to check on the question type that has been been appearing more frequently....

I know there was a better one, can't find it right now
also, voted too broad
 
1:10 PM
ugh, Martijn Pieters is fast
 
He does have a ninja suit on
 
@gunr2171 Martijn is just brilliant :p
 
that's why I voted for him!
 
as long as you voted for me as well... cough
 
so yes
 
1:22 PM
awwww... me love you long time and all that :p
 
: D
 
I just looked at the stats for that election. There was only 10% voter turnout
 
Interestingly, despite being 3rd in the primary, I was only actually 5th in the main
 
@Unihedron awww... thanks :p
 
1:31 PM
No worries :)
 
so you not going to run again then?
 
Of course I'm going to run again.
 
Uni, I think you made out better, you got a t-shirt and Jon didn't
 
What gave you the impression that I won't?
@gunr2171 :D !
 
afk
 
1:32 PM
'cos last time I said I'd be disappointed if you didn't run, you said something to the opposite
 
I probably weren't chatting sober.
Just forget it. Nothing will stop me from running again.
 
Wait wat? We're supposed to be sober when chatting?
 
@gunr2171 That looks awfully familiar. Did you take a screenshot of my election page?
 
in Java<>, 5 mins ago, by Unihedron
Announcement: The troll's account has been deleted once again. I suspect they might attempt to rejoin again. We're now at level three, destruction mode for two weeks. Kick suspects on sight: "ShaU Returns".
soo... the java room is in destruction mode now
I love being a reputable room leader xP
 
1:51 PM
@Unihedron huh?
 
yes
in Java<>, yesterday, by Unihedron
Announcement for the administration: We're now at level two, defense mode. You can kick anyone without warning when necessary. If mods are concerned, direct them here for a lecture from me.
this happens all the time
 
@Unihedron That room is pretty dead almost every time I go in there
 
Sam
Lol.
 
timing issue
 
in The Whiteboard on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 2 hours ago, by Snowman
Hah, a SO-only user linking to our meta. I like it.
 
2:20 PM
@durron597 They have to thank gunr for his awesome auto-comments
Also this crappy question got two answers, both upvoted twice, and my downvote has been pitied on.
The asker is feeling really well because he got two good answers to his question and an upvote. Obviously, he rightfully thinks that asking such questions is a really great thing to do
opens the asker's profile
 
-1
Q: Synonym request: [column] edition

durron597Two synonym requests for the price of one: Multiple columns Source: multi-column (217 q, no wiki) Source: two-columns (107 q, no wiki) Target: multiple-columns (1659 q, wiki) Computing columns: Source: computed-columns (271 q, no wiki) Target: calculated-columns (463 q, wiki)

@Kyll I just don't care that much, those questions are super old
 
@durron597 Agreed but this user has a history of poor questions, and isn't going to stop any time soon if >3k keep answering him... Well, it's not going to make a big change anyway.
 
2:48 PM
Is it fine to close this as debugging without MCVE / explanation OT reason? stackoverflow.com/q/31879939/3622940
TLDR: I cannot do X, I have this code, maybe Y works
whatever, voted
 
@Unihedron It's a CV - no specific problem
 
ok
 
!!/lick
bah
 
3:11 PM
@Kyll you're welcome
 
self blog spam I've flagged as vlq
 
need to make an auto-comment for that
 
@durron597 Any suggested dv q's for me?
 
Please be careful with linking to your own content on different sites, you don't want to be a spammer. You should be including the majority of the content here, and use the link only as a reference. — gunr2171 1 min ago
 
I flagged the other answer which is currently at -2 as VLQ as well
There's a third answer which is basically plagiarized content from 6 months after the question was answered
 
3:21 PM
added that comment to my arsenal
 
same here. thanks
 
YOU'RE STEALING MY WORDS! HOW DARE YOU! :D
 
By the way, my auto comment set is available at gist.github.com/kevin-brown/c43a9b7e012cc9d15b94
And I might steal that one as well
 
no problem
 
hey at least my stealing your comments. I could be stealing your answer :D
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Q: Best Way To Flag User For Copying Answers

HaemEternalI came across a user who appears to be (I could be wrong) occasionally copying answers and reposting to the same question. What is the best way to flag this for moderation? Flag the questions "In need of moderator intervention"? A few example questions: Team Agents and Admins - Apple Developer...

 
4:02 PM
Wasn't Java the #1 tag on SO for asked questions?
 
@Mogsdad Look at the starboard
 
4:13 PM
@JonClements: Just curious, but how much do you get involved in closing/deleting stuffs in this room?
 
Jul 23 at 17:54, by Jon Clements
Sadly I can't participate in closing sessions, but if you get stuck with locks and stuff - I'm about :)
We (the "grunts") take care of most of the work load. We call on Jon if we need something done that we can't do.
but Jon (or any other mod) doesn't do much work from the tasks in this room.
 
I certainly wouldn't call yourselves grunts - you do more visible work that's appreciated than I do
 
figure of speech, but I don't mean it in a demeaning way
 
I'd hope not... I think this room really takes effort and care in helping keep SO as clean as you can
 
that's our goal
 
4:20 PM
@JonClements Sometimes it seems we're really trying to stop the flood one bucket at a time
And for each bucket, there's two more meters of water
 
so while I can't really participate in the process, it's a pleasure to be allowed to hang around, see what you're up to, and if possible offer advice/opinions etc...
 
@Kyll, have you noticed that the event names are "let's make a dent in the CV queue"?
or, used to be
 
@gunr2171 I haven't really been participating in closures because of 2k thingy
 
true
 
@gunr2171 What? Clean them, waste it, gone are all the questions... slacker...
Hi @gunr2171 ;) I was just dropping by...
 
4:22 PM
@rene wat?
 
'nvm
 
howdy rene
 
@JonClements I don't know why, but my impression is that mods on SO don't do much of the normal user operation, due to their power
This kinda contradicts the point of having them in the first place
 
My experience around here has for now been:
- Learn what a good question and what a bad question are (and why!)
- Identifying such questions
- Flagging and reporting here
- Also earning Marshal
 
that should be true.
@nhahtdh they do what the normal user can't
 
4:23 PM
@gunr2171 And they don't do what the normal user can
 
yeah, that's the point. leave the normal user stuff to the normal users. leave the mod stuff to mods
 
Even if it's consensus that something is bad
 
@gunr2171 I'll be here again in 60-ish minutes ...
 
@JonClements: Just curious, but how much is your actual workload here on SO?
 
@nhahtdh I'm around pretty much 24/7. but mod wise, I probably spend between 3-4 hours a day
 
4:27 PM
Is that 3-4 hour spent on taking care of custom flags?
 
some custom flags do require looking in to, so yeah... other flags are just easy
 
"What's a day of being a diamond composed of?" could be a funny meta question
 
I really want to know - since there is a strong distinction of a comm mod compared to normal user on SO. On smaller sites in the network, the distinction is blurred
 
@Kyll if we had "What's a day as an SE dev" question, one of the answers could be "feeding the hamsters so the servers stay powered."
 
4:29 PM
Of course, I'm not asking mod to do more work, but if they would like to, why not?
 
just close it
 
@JonClements How long do you think it would take to clear the CV queue if all the mods just pledged to spend one hour on it once a month
 
@durron597 I'll pledge to review CVs non stop until I clear it the next time I run for mod.
 
1h / month. If we spend on average 20 min per 40 votes that would be 120 closed questions per mod per month
 
@gunr2171 It takes you 30 seconds to decide whether to close something?
I guess there are some outliers that take longer.
 
4:33 PM
I'm doing a conservative estimate
 
Dup can take like 10 mins to locate
 
with 18 mods, that's 2,160 closed questions per month
 
Okay, how about "spend one hour, but if there are any questions you can't decide in 10 seconds, click skip"
 
Maybe a CV review livestream every day. :P
3
 
Umm... don't forget that mods aren't restricted to 40 CVs
 
4:34 PM
And the mod can tell jokes while reviewing to spend time.
 
@JonClements I know, if you go at "our speeds" it's 120 reviews an hour
 
@JonClements Yep.
 
@JonClements Yeah he was just benchmarking
 
@Unihedron need someone giving commentary (like the dota 2 international going on)
 
@gunr2171 A new guest from chat.SO every day? :P
 
4:38 PM
Jon Skeet on commentary and Joel Spolsky on play-by-play
 
LOL
 
5:02 PM
@Closey starting
 
crap
 
oh no closey is dead
 
restarting
the other bot died as well
 
Hey everyone! (SO Close Vote Chatbot started, linux!)
 
I wonder what happend.
 
5:04 PM
> 15:01:45 ConnectionError: ('Connection aborted.', error(111, 'Connection refused'))
from the other bot
 
Can you call them by name? "The other bot" is pretty informative
 
maybe they started talking to the tag score script and figured if he could slack of so could they
 
edit monitor
 
@Closey starting
 
@NathanOliver Happy reviewing!
 
5:12 PM
passed angular js audit
passed c++ audit
Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 6 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@NathanOliver Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@NathanOliver Your last completed review session ended 13 seconds ago and lasted 18 minutes and 2 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 27 seconds.
 
later guys
 
bye!
 
5:24 PM
be back on in a while
 
5:41 PM
done
so, we're all good now
 
okie dokies - was a bit confused what was going on there is all :p
 
yeah, I rolled back and the other user made a suggested edit at the same time. So it appeared that Unicorn added a bunch of text
no worries
 
6:00 PM
Reporting for duty in 30 minutes
first dinner though
 
ok, ping me when you are ready
 
6:23 PM
@SmokeDetector Wow. That edit just gave it the final touch of bad----
 
ping @gunr2171
 
pong
 
pung
 
@Closey starting
 
@gunr2171 May Shog9's Will be done.
 
6:25 PM
@Closey next 5 tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@gunr2171 The next 5 tags are: 199, 135, 133, 128, 116
 
@Closey start event
 
8,691 need review
1,816 reviews today
2,738,932 reviews all-time
The tags to work on are: , , .
 
@Closey starting
 
@rene Watch out for audits!
 
6:26 PM
bah, 3 minutes early, oh well
 
nvm
let's get started
 
@Closey starting
 
@LynnCrumbling By the power of the Vote! Review!
 
@Closey starting
 
@Unihedron Watch out for audits!
 
6:27 PM
HE RETURNS!
 
;)
My bugs are all in QA
 
anyone who joins this in now and 5 minutes will pick up the event
 
With a little luck, that's where they stay
 
@LynnCrumbling famous last words
 
<grin>
mysql, eh?
 
6:28 PM
i'm about ready to skip that one, so many crappy php questions
passed java audit
 
passed c++ audit
@all: I realized that I did not formulate the question properly. Therefore I opened a new question at stackoverflow.com/questions/31873585/… and requested from stackoverflow to delete this question. — HH. 10 hours ago
is that valid?
 
Why wouldn't the user just delete their own question?
 
2 answers
 
OH MY GOD
I Screwed UP
 
6:37 PM
OH NO
 
what did you do?
 
Grr.
I clicked leave open.
Oh no. The gods of SO will smite me.
 
you can go back to the post and close it manually
 
Needs one more.
 
6:39 PM
@LynnCrumbling No more.
 
cheers
Lunch time. "I'll be back."
 
done
@Closey donhe
 
@Unihedron Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
@Closey done
 
@Unihedron Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
6:40 PM
end session
 
@Closey commands
 
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passed haskell audit
 
@Closey end session
 
@Unihedron I have forcefully ended your last session. To see more details use the command last session stats. In addition, the number of review items is most likely not set, use the command last session edit count <new count> to fix that.
 
6:43 PM
passed c# audit
why so many audits?!?!
 
@gunr2171 It's a conspiracy.
 
did you miss any last day?
 
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 5 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@gunr2171 Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@rene I think I missed one last week, but that's it
@Closey last session stats
 
6:46 PM
@gunr2171 Your last completed review session ended 15 seconds ago and lasted 20 minutes and 47 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 31 seconds.
 
@gunr2171 Valid reject reason right there
 
agree
thanks for the comment rene
 
welcome
passed c# audit
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@rene Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
6:54 PM
@Closey last sessions stats
 
@rene Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@rene Your last completed review session ended 26 seconds ago and lasted 28 minutes and 21 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 42 seconds.
 
42!
I try to make every outcome special, no matter what
 
how's 42 special?
it's so overused for being the ultimate answer, it's no longer special
 
7:00 PM
You know how to spoil a party, it is a quality ;)
 
I thought that was my skill!
 
it's mine now
 
:O
 
btw, my skill is negation
 
Lets have an important meeting about that....
 
7:03 PM
and I've trained it to come with an active ability of substitution, where I can use your skills
 
7:24 PM
"what is six times...."
 
? Null Reference Exception
 
oh...
 
hi
 
7:27 PM
hey honk
(spelled correctly this time)
 
o/
 
@gunr2171 smile
Is this really a great Q (see answer)? Isn't it quite broad? stackoverflow.com/q/31864288/2675154
 
@honk yep, voted and commented
 
@gunr2171 thanks!
 
@Jon I had the impression you were a little bit bored yesterday so I checked if you can be part of this ;)
ignored in the tavern
 
7:54 PM
Staring at this since 5 minutes. Any suggestion what to do? stackoverflow.com/q/31885315/2675154
 
Take a break?
 
@honk what's the question? (talking about the post, not your message)
 
Good idea. Was a long day today...
@gunr2171 The question is: How to access the Mysql on Azure from the Amazon EC2?
 
"You can't" what? — Lynn Crumbling 11 secs ago
 
You have to read between the lines though
 
7:56 PM
If I would have votes I would close vote as unclear
 
You can also read it as "I want to get this working", which is just a requirement. But there is still no question
 
There are not that many lines where something fits in between....
 
Ok, unclear sounds fine. If I read it as "How to access the Mysql on Azure from the Amazon EC2?" then I think it would be too broad...
 
I think it's a connectivity issue.
But the OP doesn't document how they're attempting a connection, and what symptom it is.
 
@honk yes. that, as a full sentence, is too broad. You could also use unclear because "or add additional details to highlight exactly what you need"
 
8:02 PM
that ^^
 
@LynnCrumbling I think your comment provides good guidance. If it's not helpful to the OP, then they have other problems as well...
 
8:26 PM
So tempted to use on this to see @durron597's reaction....
 
Do you think this is unclear? Or not programming related? stackoverflow.com/q/31885973/2675154
Today's most funny reply:
I understand what you're saying, but I don't know what the relevant code is. That's part of the problem. — user3072420 3 mins ago
 
8:41 PM
@honk uh, probably, but I'm confused about that whole thing.
 
@gunr2171 Wow! I'm not the only one?!?
 
You know hyperterminal, right?
 
@rene is that cmd?
 
@rene Just read about it on Wikipedia...
 
Nah, it is a terminal emulator
 
8:44 PM
@rene No terminator emulal?
 
from the pre-win95 era?
 
@rene I don't care about meta's tags :)
 
> I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because I don't know.
 
@gunr2171 Because you don't know the answer?
 
because I don't know anything
On a scale of 1 to Even, I don't
 
8:47 PM
@gunr2171 I need this as a flag reason!
 
suggest superuser.com
@durron597 Ha! Wait until you get bored ;)
 
@rene thanks!
 
@rene When I get bored I'll probably ping you once an hour while you're asleep
 
passed c# audit
 
and I'm out for today, bye!
 
8:55 PM
@gunr2171 bye!
 
@gunr2171 bye
 
9:24 PM
nod
 
thanks! got to go to bed. can. no. longer. keep. eyes. open... cya!
 
'night :)
it's 5:30pm on a Friday night here :)
My night is just starting ... heh
 
@LynnCrumbling 4:30 here. Almost my whole office is gone.
 
Quitters. Sheesh. I'm still doing last minute code changes for a new release.
You're in central, eh?
 
@LynnCrumbling texas
 
9:38 PM
What city?
 
houston
 
Nice.
 
'course I'm a yankee born and bred, this is just where the jobs are
 
I've heard that Houston is a different world.
 
10:10 PM
hi again all
 
Plop
 
10:43 PM
@JonClements Want to look at my syn request?
 
Can do. Link?
 
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Q: Synonym request: [column] edition

durron597Two synonym requests for the price of one: Multiple columns Source: multi-column (217 q, no wiki) Source: two-columns (107 q, no wiki) Target: multiple-columns (1659 q, wiki) Computing columns: Source: computed-columns (271 q, no wiki) Target: calculated-columns (463 q, wiki)

erp
 
wow... how did even a couple of those become tags to start with
 
@JonClements Yeah...
 
At a quick glance... looks reasonable enough
 
10:52 PM
@JonClements I wasn't entirely sure about throwing in with but I figured I could discuss it with whoever looked at it
 
Merge preview
multi-column will be removed from 217 questions
multiple-columns will be added to 216 questions
A tag synonym mapping multi-column → multiple-columns will be created.
looks like a good enough overlap
 
Did you do it yet?
Oh never mind, I'm on the featured tab
 
Haha.... just checking some bits before hitting commit
It's one of those "very difficult to undo" thingies
 
@JonClements Yeah, I hear that
They were all showing 0, I was like... "waaaat"
 
multi-column is done
Umm... there's also two column layout
so that looks like CSS issues - not sure that's really multiple-columns
 
11:04 PM
@JonClements Thats fine
 
2/3 done then
can't say yay/nay on the two-column... that looks different and not syn. with the other candidates... but - didn't read every single post, just enough to make me doubt it was suitable
 
@JonClements That's fine
I'll look at it later, it's only 100 questions I may do it myself (if it's correct)
 

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