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user4639281
12:17 AM
@durron597 I added a feature for turning off the user / time stamp if you so wish.
 
user4639281
Both are now at zero, the del-pls I can't help with.
 
thanks
 
user4639281
np
 
1:02 AM
Hey everyone! (SO Close Vote Chatbot started, linux!)
 
user4639281
1:41 AM
@Rizier123 Boom.
 
@TinyGiant Thanks, went a bit the alcoholic way in the comments :]
 
user4639281
@Rizier123 1 2 spam? The user has two other unrelated answers but that seems pretty fishy to me.
 
user4639281
@Rizier123 Yeah I saw that and had a laugh.
 
user4639281
Do you have any stocks/shares with those guys? stackoverflow.com/a/32062261Fred -ii- 1 min ago
 
user4639281
Fred saw the same thing
 
1:47 AM
Yup :)
^^ I will keep an eye on that user. If he posts a similar answer in the PHP tag again, I will write a comment or look what I can do.
 
user4639281
Should I flag spam or just wait it out?
 
user4639281
Well, I spammed the flags. We'll see what comes of it.
 
yeah, if he posts a 3rd answer like that I will flag it probably too. But he has chosen the wrong tag. If he posts another answer in a PHP question I probably will see it.
First one already gone.
 
user4639281
Spam flag marked helpful
 
user4639281
Must have been del-by-user or do you have > 10k and could tell me if it was deleted by a mod?
 
user4639281
1:58 AM
This last 5000 is taking a long time to get.
 
stackoverflow.com/a/32062261/3933332 I also flagged this one now
 
user4639281
Flagged as well
 
user4639281
So why didn't the mod delete the other one after seeing that comment?
 
Not to sure, maybe he doesn't even see it. (Because I think they need a new layout: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/291974/3933332 :)
 
user4639281
2:10 AM
Oh, so they probably wouldn't even see comments
 
Don't really know what they see and what not. BTW:
 
user4639281
Spam flag marked helpful
 
user4639281
2:46 AM
^^^ Looks bad, but actually links to real content.
 
@TinyGiant Account is over a year old and has some questions
@SmokeDetector fp account is old and has real content
 
@durron597 Registered answer as false positive.
 
So someone reviewed this as "Looks OK"
 
user4639281
I want to smack the guy who said that requires editing.
 
What's the right way to report such a bad review
 
user4639281
 
user4639281
Or is there a ?
 
user4639281
You know, there should be a way for us to flag a review done by a certain user.
 
I looked through his other reviews
his other Looks OK had some Requires editing but no Unsalvagable
 
user4639281
Ping your friendly neighbourhood moderator?
 
Nah, at this time I always hope he's sleeping.
I asked in the tavern
oh I must have an old version here.
 
user4639281
3:05 AM
?
 
I did "s" and it just sent "s"
 
user4639281
Oh, you're home now?
 
@TinyGiant yep
 
user4639281
Have you tried the new promptless version?
 
Just tried it
it took a few tries
 
user4639281
3:06 AM
Did it?
 
had to press keystroke 3 times for it to work
 
user4639281
Weird
 
It seems a little less responsive than before
 
user4639281
I think I found it. I missed a couple things. Hold on and I'll make an update.
 
user4639281
Let me know if that fixes it for you.
 
3:23 AM
@TinyGiant Is it supposed to auto update?
 
user4639281
it should
 
@TinyGiant oh there it goes.
 
user4639281
g2g
 
It took two presses of ctrl shift a
 
 
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user4639281
4:53 AM
@durron firefox or chrome? I've tested the script on three different computers now and can't reproduce. Also, you have to press and hold shift+alt and then press a, if you didn't know.
 
user4639281
I can reproduce it if I try to press all of the keys at the exact same time, but that's because of the way that JavaScript detects keystrokes. The modifier keys have to be pressed first. And the event is caught on keyup, so it won't trigger until you release
 
10:00 AM
Is there a way to teach SmokeDetector?
 
There is, certain users can mark a post as false positive or true positive. Or you can ping me to adjust the regular expressions to match spam, if that's necessary.
 
SmokeDetector detected repeats in the body of a post, but this is due to a reproducible example being edited into the question (
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating words in body: R: partial correlation for meta analysis by Marco C on stackoverflow.com).
Perhaps ignoring repeats in code chunks could help?
 
@RomanLuštrik It already does that.
 
@ProgramFOX Then I'm out of ideas what might have triggered repeats. :)
 
10:04 AM
@Rizier123 lets delete it. Just need another downv there
 
@RomanLuštrik Me too actually. :P
 
@DavidArenburg Now it only needs 2 delete votes.
 
@RomanLuštrik your move
<sigh>
@Rizier123 strange. It has been deleted but doesn't show by whom
First time I see something like that
 
10:22 AM
@DavidArenburg got deleted by review: stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/9199171
 
@JonClements so shouldn't it be attributed to someone?
 
Can't really put 5 names there...
 
isn't is like the "golden law of SO" that everything should be attributed to someone
just Community wiki I would guess
 
That'd prevent community undeleting though...
 
@JonClements you can't undelete something that was deleted by CW? So many rules <sigh>
 
10:26 AM
The "Community" user is a diamond mod... so no...
 
10:51 AM
heya @Kitler
 
o/
sup
 
same old same old
 
another day another cv
 
No news is good news.
 
11:39 AM
@TylerH Nope, just the cheapest! (Besides, it's easiest to proofread other people's work, thanks for the demo!)
 
11:55 AM
Good Morning
 
not too much.
 
Lemme just switch systems. TTYGL
 
12:22 PM
@closey help
 
This is a chat bot for the SO Close Vote Reviewers chat room, developed by gunr2171 and the other members of the SO Close Vote Reviewers chat room. For more information see the github page. Reply with commands to see a list of commands.
 
huh, cool
 
@SmokeDetector why?
 
@NathanOliver Body - Position 2707-2712: nutRa
 
Shouldn't SmokeDetector post this one: stackoverflow.com/q/32072564/3933332 with the reason caps title?
 
12:37 PM
It only pulls from post that look like spam/abuse
 
:) ^^ Did you triggered that now manually ?
 
Nope
 
SmokeDetector too slow for me.
 
I don't know if smokey looks at post with VLQ flags on it but if it does it might have been flagged and then it picked it up
 
Smokey looks at /realtime. But for SO posts, this is a bit unreliable, because not all posts are included there; the whole page would be filled with SO posts anyway instead of also displaying posts from other sites.
 
12:55 PM
afk
 
1:26 PM
What is the general feeling on SO about putting links in <kbd> elements?
 
@KevinBrown useful if you're talking about keyboard buttons, and that's it
 
BLECH cv-pls broad|resource stackoverflow.com/q/4779941/656243
 
back
 
@gunr2171 I only ask because I constantly see links put in <kbd> elements (like the JSFiddle links here: stackoverflow.com/a/27096842/359284)
 
@KevinBrown ugh, no. That's bad form
 
1:34 PM
@KevinBrown Meh
 
semantically it makes no sense
 
@KevinBrown I do for thinkgs like making a live example: stackoverflow.com/questions/32055439/…
 
1:45 PM
@TinyGiant <kbd>Submit query</kbd>?
 
ugh, I hope everyone's email inbox is getting a good workout
/ sorry for making so many github issues at once
 
When I came back from vacation, I had more than 100 GitHub notifications. 3 new GH issues is nothing compared to that :P
 
Sam
Lol.
 
ok, I'm done now
6 issues
 
old questions, sorry for spam
@TinyGiant I'm still having issues with pressing the keyboard shortcut and the popup not working. It has something to do with where my page has focus
 
2:02 PM
@durron597 Should we do anything about that duplicate answer?
 
@NathanOliver I'm not sure what it would be flagged as.
Custom, maybe
Let's wait for the question to get closed as duplicate, then flag.
 
Can do
 
@NathanOliver Rather than flag, could just comment on the newest or weakest, for author to delete. No queue load, no mod involvement.
 
@Mogsdad I already did that.
It's a 1 rep user.
 
Wow... 3pm already... where the hell has the day gone!?
 
2:13 PM
@JonClements I dunno, but I was asleep until 2 hours ago
@JonClements Is it a flag worthy event for a user to copy-paste the same answer to two questions, which are duplicates but haven't been closed as such?
 
If it's definitely a dupe with no effort to tailor to the Q - you can flag it
 
@JonClements They Q is a dupe and the answer was copy and pasted by the same person
 
2:36 PM
So I helped a guy to debug a problem that I couldn't reproduce
We tried like 10 different things until we finally figured it out
Nearly all the information got edited into the question or answers by one of us, so when we had figured it out I asked him to delete the comments and he didn't
So I flagged them as obsolete, ho-hum
Now the guy has removed the checkmark and turned my upvote into a downvote because the comments were deleted, despite the fact that I spent an hour yesterday helping him.
 
That seems pretty petty.
 
Why are you revenge downvoting me? I helped you with your problem, I am trying to keep the site clean for future users to be able to follow the problem. None of the work is even lost. Let's work together to edit the question and answer the best way possible. — durron597 3 mins ago
 
The two accepts here are pretty disappointing
 
I don't... see a change?
 
WTF?
 
2:43 PM
It's a trailing newline (which should really be stripped out)
 
It looks like the user is going after [Research Assistant]. not sure if this should have been approved: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/9191929
 
reading the meta post, that looks like the edit they meant to make
whereas the excerpt might have been totally unintentional
 
Can someone else help me explain to this guy:
-1
A: Gnuplot fitting with modified Bessel fuctions

Karl RatzschThere are a number of math "cook books" that compile linear algebraic approximations for all kinds of functions. One example is "Numerical Recipies". It also has a chapter with all the variations of Bessel functions.

 
writing a little comment
 
@durron597 Here's a NAA flag
 
2:53 PM
@durron597 wrote a little comment. hopefully they get it.
 
orrr I will not post a comment
> @KarlRatzsch Thanks for the answer. What durron597 is trying to get across is that Stack Overflow is not a good site for recommendations in the form of books, tutorials, sites, services, etc. It aims to be a repository of specific, code-based questions with specific, code-based answers.
Was gonna say that, but now it'd be massive overkill
 
Do it. Lets overflow him with information.
 
@TylerH I prefer that over my comment, want to trade?
 
@NathanOliver No, that's not helpful
@KevinBrown feel free to steal it in an edit
if it hasn't been 5 minutes yet
 
@KevinBrown It was already NAA flagged, I found it in LQP review.
 
2:57 PM
@durron597 did you see he just edited it. @TylerH I think your comment is now totally appropriate.
 
error happened!
0: Could not retrieve data of message 25156914. Do you have an active internet connection?
 
@Closey ugh. can we fix that cc @gunr2171 @Sam
 
@durron597 Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
error happened!
0: Unable to post message
@durron597 Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
Oh, you've got closey watching edits now? Nice
 
Sam
@durron597 Oh, right.
Yeah, I kinda forgot about that.
 
3:29 PM
You would think this guy would know better: stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/9203890
 
Sam
I've seen users with >10K rep answer with similar.
 
3:47 PM
@gunr2171 or other: Where's that jsonp url with all of the comments?
I believe they were kevin's.
 
@durron597: Not sure whether you voted to delete before pointing it out, but it still needs one vote: stackoverflow.com/q/390707
 
Kevin's SO auto comments (jsonp url): mooggaming.net/kevin-so-auto-comments.jsonp
^ star if you would
 
capitalize so pls?
and I will
 
Thank you :)
 
np
 
3:53 PM
And by "Kevin" I mean me, not Kevin Brown
 
meta
 
well, my name is Kevin. That's one of the reason's I haven't changed my username yet, it would be confusing
 
Close votes, delete votes needed: stackoverflow.com/q/32003044/656243
@gunr2171 Ah, well, hi Kevin. I'm Lynn. :)
Good to know, btw :)
And yes.. you should stay gunr. :)
And avoid light blue avatars that look like this: : |
I recommend usb drives, shaped like food.
 
my newest masterpiece
ms-paint is always the best tool
 
Why bother with photoshop or gimp.
 
4:00 PM
@Closey stop bot
 
@gunr2171 I'm shutting down...
Goodbye!
 
update time!
 
@gunr2171 We'll call you "Mr. Apathy"
 
@Deduplicator I pointed that out?
 
Hey everyone! (SO Close Vote Chatbot started, linux!)
 
4:03 PM
Hi Closey
 
@LynnCrumbling "Mr. Apathy" probably isn't bothered by being called that?
Like the old: Q: "Which is worse - ignorance or apathy?" A: "I don't know and I don't care"
 
Closey is updated so that it should not care if a message (like a fp- command) is deleted
 
@gunr2171 @Sam catch(Exception) -> ignore?
 
	try
	{
		DoThings();
	}
	catch(Exception ex)
	{
		//hahahaha
	}
 
@gunr2171 Yeah, that's basically the "fix".
 
4:07 PM
(damn you tabs!)
Aug 3 at 18:41, by gunr2171
@TylerH "Wrap the whole program in a try/catch" they said, "it would be great" they said
 
@gunr2171 I was pretty confused there for a moment
 
Hello Kevin, I'm Kevin
I am you.
 
Sam
@durron597 Yes, I know.
We don't have many other options.
 
Sam
Let me show you the root code responsible:
catch (WebException ex)
{
    // If the input is valid, we've probably hit a deleted message.
    if (ex.Response != null && ((HttpWebResponse)ex.Response).StatusCode == HttpStatusCode.NotFound)
    {
        throw new MessageNotFoundException();
    }
    else
    {
        throw ex;
    }
}
So you see, MessageNotFoundException is not the only type of exception that can be thrown here.
Hence the reason for using plain ol' Exception.
 
4:23 PM
@Sam I already looked at that code, that's why I knew the name of the exception
I think we want closey to report when there's some other kind of problem.
 
Sam
Oh, right.
 
...nahhhhhhh
he'll be fine
 
Sam
@durron597 But the code I wrapped with the try/catch is just for fetching a message. So there's not a great deal that could go wrong besides calling .GetMessage().
 
@Sam It could be some other sort of WebException, is what I'm saying.
The bottom line is that if some bizarre exception we haven't thought of occurs, we want closey to tell us, not ignore it.
 
@gunr2171 Hey, it really happens: i.imgur.com/MzDy6GY.png
 
Sam
4:27 PM
@durron597 Fair point.
I'll update it.
 
@durron597 agree
 
Well, I guess that test wouldn't work now.
 
you... I wasn't done reading that message
 
> anyway, does closey analyze ALL deleted messages or just some?
 
Sam
4:30 PM
@durron597 It does btw.
 
@gunr2171 Honestly, that's the actual best thing about being room owner.
 
true
 
@Sam So if I deleted any message, prior to the fix, it would have made closey spazz out?
 
I prefer the ability to move messages to trash
 
Sam
@durron597 Only if you deleted a message that'd been replied too, and fast enough.
 
4:32 PM
now if only the devs would enable us to move users to trash...
 
Anoyone else fell this should be closed? stackoverflow.com/questions/32077673/…
 
@Sam ahhh
So I just came across this, which I actually believe is on topic, oddly:
360
Q: Cosmic Rays: what is the probability they will affect a program?

Mark HarrisonOnce again I was in a design review, and encountered the claim that the probability of a particular scenario was "less than the risk of cosmic rays" affecting the program, and it occurred to me that I didn't have the faintest idea what that probability is. "Since 2-128 is 1 out of 34028236692...

 
@NathanOliver might be too broad
 
4:33 PM
@Sam you...you can do that?!?!
 
@Deduplicator oh right
 
NOOOOOO
 
@Deduplicator I try not to spend my delete votes on things that already have two, they usually get picked up in 10k tools
 
+1 monty python follow-up
 
Sam
4:36 PM
lol
 
@Closey stop bot
 
@gunr2171 I'm shutting down...
Goodbye!
Hey everyone! (SO Close Vote Chatbot started, linux!)
 
@gunr2171 Absolutely. Too bad it's got a bounty.
 
@gunr2171 What if we change it to "I have tests written by nunit. When running them with visual studio nunit adapter and code rush the test are run. When I try to run the test with Testdriven.Net it reports reports "0 Passed, 0 Failed, 0 Skipped." Any idea why Testdriven.Net won't run my test?"
 
yup, that's what I thought
@NathanOliver then there is not enough code to repro
 
@NathanOliver Are you sure Testdriven.Net isn't running the test? (The edit would be changing the OP's intention.)
 
@Mogsdad No. that's why I proposed it here. I don't fell confident enough to edit it with how unclear it is right now.
 
5:18 PM
@NathanOliver So the OP needs to be prodded. I added a comment to that end (but would rather have used an actual cattle prod...)
 
5:35 PM
well, let's try this out
sweet, no complaining!
please review this, I FP'd the previous for testing stackoverflow.com/questions/32079039/…
 
Can I somehow disable this news feed in the top left corner ?
 
Click dismiss?
 
no :( we're trying it out to see if we like it better than inline items.
 
Sam
ad block to the rescue
 
5:37 PM
I mean that I don't have to click that everytime, so that it doesn't even pop up?
 
@Rizier123 you can probably hide it with CSS
 
!important #feed-ticker { display: none }
 
Thanks, I just wasn't sure if I messed something up and changed some chat settings or so
 
@Rizier123 you can join the petition to the room owners to change it to a normal in-line message
 
@TylerH We have a petition for that?
 
5:42 PM
erm, it's just people in the room saying "please make it a normal message"
so... sort of not really?
it is at 3 people though, including a moderator!
 
We you can count me in so that makes it 4
 
Sam
Make it 5.
 
in the console running $("#feed-ticker").remove(); should work as well...
 
huh - what've I missed now?
 
@JonClements the other day when you were one of the people who preferred the ticker "notifications" to be inline messages rather than a modal overlay that you have to click to close every time
 
5:47 PM
Oh yeah.... on the plus side... I don't notice them when I'm not about :p
 
@Sam 6
it's not high enough traffic to be a bother
 
Sam
Yeah.
 
@gunr2171 what's not?
 
the rss feed
so I'm in favor of moving the feeds back to inline messages
 
^^^ yeah
 
5:54 PM
@gunr2171 Yeah go ahead, you can even remove them
 
@rene any objections to making the feeds inline?
 
It's just the tags, so it's really not very many of them.
@gunr2171 I prefer them as a ticker but only marginally
the idea being if you go afk you don't have to scroll back up to see them.
 
too bad that can't be a per-user option
 
@gunr2171 but seriously, i don't really care that much. You can even remove them, I don't think we've been discussing them anyway
 
I like them just to keep an eye on new ones, so we are at least informed.
but I could have my own methods of doing that
(private rss reader)
 
5:57 PM
gunr2171 has stopped a feed from being posted into this room
 
boom
 
@durron597 With your mighty powers as a RO, can you correct the "Review" link in the pinned blurb?
 
@Mogsdad ah ffs
 
I be back on later. have a dev shop to go visit.
 
have fun
 
5:58 PM
@JonClements Could fix it more easily than me, I'd have to make a whole new post
 
12
Q: Give room owners the ability to edit their own old chat messages

durron597It seems strange to me that a diamond on any site (not just chat rooms for their site) can edit the old messages of anyone in any chatroom, yet room owners can't edit their old messages in rooms they own after the expiration period. Currently, Programmers is in the middle of a tag cleanup and I'...

 
nm then... It's not a big deal to correct it, as long as one knows it's wrong.
 
Ummm... @durron597 spose I could - what should it be? (save re-pinning and starring)
 
remove the -code from the end of the review url (I think)
 
yep
 
6:00 PM
Think that's done
 
@JonClements thx
We've gotta get more stuff closed, less than 100 of the 1600 posts are closed so deletion is hard right now
 
@durron597 I've tossed a pile more into the queue today.
 
@Mogsdad i also.
 
@durron597 Then it's probably yours that I'm running through now!
 
@gunr2171 nah, let's switch to inline
 
6:03 PM
@TylerH Anything to bump that :)
 
@durron597 :-)
 
6:18 PM
Almost NSFW! :) "So I nedd your suggest bro & sis, How can I generate or multiply or enlarge my data source to a big data..." Kenny Bi
 
how did this question get closed, but a nearly identical question did not?
 
@cimmanon Because the answer to the first one is X?
 
should we be closing the 2nd one as too broad?
 
It already has my vote.
 
has an added bonus of "which one is better?"
 
6:28 PM
done
 
Hmm... might be a bug in the SO query. What would you expect to see with this? user:<state-your-name> is:answer views:1 with your UserID in it? I was expecting all my answers with at least 1 view. I got all my questions instead.
 
I thought it was isanswer:yes
could be wrong though
 
Nope, under types, see is:answer and is:question.
 
oh
it's because the last one is taking precedence
and answers don't have views
 
I'm pretty certain that views are counted for questions, not answers.
 
6:36 PM
only questions do
so if you wanna return only your answers for questions that have >0 views, you'll need to use SEDE I guess
 
<soapbox>FGITW strikes again. It bugs me seeing high-rep users tossing shitty not-quite-answers like this (just 2 seconds to type) and getting upvotes for them, when some people put TONS of effort in to providing good answers but get no votes, because the repHoard has moved on.</soapbox>
 
If you have a good answer, post it
But if the answer to that question is truly "no", I don't see a problem with that one
 
yesterday, by durron597
I hate FGITW
@Mogsdad This guy posted an incorrect answer, faster than me, and only edited to be correct after I commented. Meanwhile I wrote a much longer and more complete answer, but OP is new to SO and didn't even see it until after he accepted the other answer.
 
6:52 PM
@durron597 That's it. I can't take it any more! I'm getting my pitchfork! Do you have the tar? Who has feathers?!
On the bright side, your answer has more upvotes... in the topusers lists, we value upvotes more than accepts.
@TylerH At the time the answer was made, XCode did support folder groups which would have done what the OP was looking for. So the answer wasn't "no". There was at least one dup. It keeps getting revisited, a/t comments & new answers, so probably a good place to point.
 
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