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Sam
12:09 AM
Night
 
@Sam Hey! It's 8 AM :P
 
Sam
:p
It's just gone midnight for me
 
@Sam Ah, timezone ;)
 
Sam
Yep
Anyway cya tomorrow/later today.
 
Okay, so breakfast time now!
@Sam :D
@Sam Good night/morning :)
 
Sam
12:12 AM
:)
Bye!
 
12:29 AM
@BrockAdams Yes - delete voting is in the FAQ
 
12:59 AM
@Closey starting
 
@Undo Don't get lost in the queue!
 
That would have been an embarrassing one to fail.
 
@Undo starred :)
@Undo So that is an audit right?
 
@Undo Then why don't tell Closey? :)
 
1:07 AM
fine
passed c# audit
 
I want the fancy automatic thing back.
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1:10 AM
New record :P
 
@Undo Yeah, I like new version :(
Wow, here's a branch called v2-dev :P
 
1:55 AM
I just realized this "recently active" question is from 2013... was there an answer that was deleted or something? stackoverflow.com/questions/18028506/…
Also, out of curiosity, can 10k users (or 20k) see deleted comments?
 
2:06 AM
@TylerH nope
 
hmm
I wonder what the change was, then
it showed up on my timeline as "edited by community, 2 minutes ago"
@Closey next 5 tags
 
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yes
two css tags at once
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@TylerH Watch out for audits!
 
2:18 AM
@JoshCrozier Why did you edit that question? stackoverflow.com/questions/17445719/selected-item-doesnt-work
 
@TylerH That's a good edit right?
 
On a new question it might be OK (not good)
but the question is two years old
and is closed, and has low activity
His edit bumped it to the top of the questions feed
while it was technically a correct edit, I think it caused more harm than good
a better action would have been to cast a delete vote on it
 
@TylerH Oh, asked: 2 years ago, active: today. Didn't see this.
 
yeah, asked and last answered/commented july 2013
 
And closed in 2013 too
 
2:22 AM
@TylerH Ah, I understand. Check the edit comment:
> Slowly removing all of the deprecated [active] tags.
He's removing tag...
 
Yes, and in that case a delete vote would have been more fit
If that is possible for the question
 
ah, I didn't notice that, but I still think a delete vote would've been better
 
@Kyll Hmm...Is it morning in France? :P
 
since that would have gotten rid of the tag as well :-)
 
@KevinGuan Very, very early morning ^^
 
2:24 AM
@Kyll delete votes are always possible for unlocked questions, AFAIK
well, except for questions with an active bounty, maybe
 
Actually I still don't know what does the active do, is there any documents?
 
Off to bed, bonne nuit!
 
@KevinGuan the tag?
 
@TylerH meh, just let it die
 
@Braiam Huh? I'm happy to let it die (sitting around isn't dying btw). My question was to Josh, about why he didn't let it die or actively kill it a little faster
 
2:28 AM
I really think we should get a "adivino" hat
 
Thanks.
Brainfart.
 
answering a question closed as unclear and be accepted, only a crystal ball explains it
 
@TylerH Nope, about that active: today.
 
@KevinGuan that means the last time the question had activity
AKA when a question is asked, when it is answered, when the Q or A is edited, etc.
 
@TylerH Yeah so my question is what does it do, why do we need it?
 
2:30 AM
I can't recall off the top of my head if comments are included, I think the yare
@KevinGuan it's a helpful way at a glance to see if the question has had recent activity
 
active = asked, answered, edited or reopened
 
rather than digging through each post to see if there was an activity
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[twitter-bootstrap]"
 
@TylerH Then why don't let old question active?
@Closey audit stats
 
@KevinGuan Stats of all tracked audits by tag:
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@KevinGuan This question doesn't make grammatical sense
 
2:35 AM
@TylerH You pinged me?
 
@JoshCrozier yeah, just wondering why you removed the active tag from that 2.5 year old question instead of casting a delete vote on it
though hopefully you also cast a delete vote on it
 
I did cast a delete vote on it. It needs 2 more.
You can't even see delete votes, can you? You only have 7k rep...
 
@JoshCrozier correct, I can't see them
though deleting the question would achieve the goal of burninating without bumping old questions to the front page
 
@JoshCrozier I know what it looks like; I believe you when you say you cast a delete vote :-P
 
2:37 AM
@TylerH Hmm...we don't do , anymore.
 
@TylerH Well.. I wanted to prove that I did cast to delete it... since you claimed that I didn't.
 
@JoshCrozier I didn't claim you didn't, I was wondering why you didn't do just that, if you did indeed cast one
 
Didn't say by me, as @Mogsdad said :P
 
@KevinGuan Wha? What did I miss?
 
@Mogsdad Nothing nothing nothing :)
 
2:43 AM
@Mogsdad what did you mean by this? stackoverflow.com/questions/33872559/…
Simply that the answer to the OP's question is "no"?
Or that the question is unanswerable
 
@TylerH Ah, yes, that conundrum.
 
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2:47 AM
... I think we already had that one.
 
@Mogsdad For a spam answer.
The question should be closed too.
 
@AlexanderO'Mara Yes, but Tyler started the question close roll - usually enough.
Anyway, no harm.
(In asking...)
Anyone else annoyed by answers that start with "This is an old thread but...."? Or am I just over-sensitive to it? I'm thinking of trying to auto-edit that as noise.
 
3:08 AM
is the next tag for delete votes in the legal-related cleanup. Use your best judgement, as always.
@Mogsdad Often that's a pretty good sign that there are other issues with the answer.
 
@KevinBrown Yep... which is why I'm so often editing them!
 
3:26 AM
I feel this answer is pretty close to spam. Is it?
 
!!/test altomerge.com
 
> Would not be caught for title, body and username.
 
!!/test altomerge.com
 
> Would not be caught for title, body and username.
 
@ShamasS That's why I reported it... it is spam. The content has nothing to do with the question being asked - the only reason it's there is to get you to click.
 
3:29 AM
yeah, thought so myself too. reported as such :)
 
3:47 AM
@Mogsdad depends if they are adding new value to an old question
like, in CSS there's lots of times when new features in spec can be used to provide a better answer to a common old question
in cases like that it might make sense to make a note when adding a new answer, like "2015 Method" as a header
but it depends on the phrasing and context etc.
 
@TylerH True, but then say "as of spec x.y.z, we can blah-de-blah."
 
right
I wouldn't use "this is an old thread, but..."
 
Kinda like questions that start with "I have a question..."
Sounds like I'd better take the dog out for a walk before she loses her mind. CYA!
 
@Braiam No, the usage is:
Nov 15 at 10:23, by Kevin Guan
!!/test And it will probably not get any better soon, as many in France (particularly in older generations, the ones in power) see things like Internet as a free-for-all lair of terrorists and (child) porn
 
!!/test altomerge.com
 
3:52 AM
> Would not be caught for title, body and username.
 
@ShamasS !!/test <text>, not !!/test <url> :)
 
@ke
@KevinGuan sorry, I'm new here :D
don't know what /test does either
and what text does it expect in <text>?
 
@KevinGuan !!/test pass it through all the checkers, last time I recall
 
@Braiam Hmm...Actually I don't know how does it works. :P
 
but what does it do? :D
 
4:00 AM
@ShamasS Oh, it's a Smoke command. Smoke is one of our bot, please check our FAQ for more info. And welcome to this room :D
 
!!/help
 
@Braiam I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and low-quality posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.
 
@Braiam Yeah :P
 
4:18 AM
@KevinGuan I need chinese food
 
5:01 AM
!!/test moniker
 
> Would not be caught for title, body and username.
 
5:27 AM
> rene
last message 7h ago
last seen 7h ago
 
5:39 AM
duplicate
 
^ would that not already be sufficient for the SO admins to block posting entirely?
 
7:15 AM
@AlexanderO'Mara diggin up some good stuff there
 
7:48 AM
@Drew Do you need Chinese food? :P
 
yes. It's 3am. But yes
 
@Drew :P
Can you believe that it's 4 PM but I'm just start eating lunch?
 
8:05 AM
Hey @Tim :D
 
Sam
8:17 AM
@KevinGuan Yes, we've started working on putting it all together now.
Morning
 
@Sam Hey Sam :P
 
Morning o/
 
Sam
\o
 
Sam
|o
 
8:26 AM
O̼
 
Sam
\•/
 
@Sam :P
An idea: use this instead of this.
 
Sam
... why?
 
@Sam Just kidding :P Why not? SOCVR right? :P
 
Doesn't make a lot of sense to abbreviate an abbreviation
 
Sam
8:35 AM
:p
Fun fact: I actually designed both Closey's and the GH org's avatar.
 
@Sam See, I guessed that.
@Closey starting
 
@KevinGuan By the power of the Vote! Review!
 
passed C++ audit
 
8:57 AM
 
Yes (in its current form)
and also too broad; it's asking like four different questions
"Which is better" "Should I do this" "Is it slower" etc.
But I don't think it would be the hardest thing in the world to edit it into shape
I left a comment
 
passed C++ aduit
@TylerH Let me check it after I finish review :P
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9:13 AM
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@TylerH See that, thanks :D
 
Sam
9:34 AM
Ugh, -9 and still not gone yet.
 
One more DV needed
 
I need be a TU
 
@DavidG fixed
 
9:46 AM
^ should those be reported as false positives or something else, or just ignored?
not a terribly brilliant question anyway ...
aaaand somebody upvoted it
 
Nice formatted questions one after the other: stackoverflow.com/q/33935216/3933332 , stackoverflow.com/q/33935258/3933332 :D
 
Sam
@tripleee cv'd/dv'd
 
yeah, but in the general case, how should we react when Smokey alerts about something which is perfectly fine (although often an indication of other problems)?
 
@tripleee That question looks good, but little unclear. I'll go to add comment.
 
Sam
@tripleee fp it
Smokey is made to hunt down spam/off stuff.
 
Well, I changed my mind. Since I don't know anything about .
 
Sam
(last I heard anyway)
 
afk, still busy on moving. So say Plop Hey to @Kyll now :P
 
@KevinGuan that android/hindi question is not good
 
@TimCastelijns Not good?
 
9:57 AM
No, not sure why you think it is
 
@TimCastelijns Is it okay or can be improve?
 
No it's shit
 
It could be made good though.
 
It already got some bad answers
 
6 mins ago, by Kevin Guan
Well, I changed my mind. Since I don't know anything about .
 
9:59 AM
I think when OP puts some effort in improving the question, it can be good, be probably a dupe then
 
@TimCastelijns Okay, I'd vote to close it as Unclear unless OP edit it. But however I think say fp- to Smoke is correct because Smokey is made to hunt down spam/off stuff. <-- by @Sam.
 
That 1 guy just posted a random answer and asked op to accept it, not sure if funny or sad
 
@TimCastelijns That link-only and very bad answer?
 
hi
 
@KevinGuan the one I commented on
 
10:08 AM
I am trying to flag stackoverflow.com/questions/33928188/… which is a copy of homework we set
is there anyone here with enough rep to deal with this?
 
@TimCastelijns Yeah I see your comment, downvoted.
 
the student has just copied and pasted the question online basically
 
You are the teacher?
 
I am one of the teachers yes
 
10:09 AM
Hmm...looks like a homework.
 
I notice the student has essentially pasted the same question twice
 
That's what you would say though :)
 
Are they not allowed to ask for help?
 
Sam
@KevinGuan At the end of the day, it doesn't actually do anything iirc.
 
10:10 AM
Questions need to be judged on their own merit, even a homework question can make a good post.
 
definitely not allowed to ask for help
 
If you wish to delete this you can do it yourself. Just click on the "delete" link above. — ChrisF ♦ 10 mins ago
Funny
 
And if you are the teacher you should either reprimand the student for cheating or commend them for taking initiative.
 
yes.. I wasn't really sure how that helped :)
the student is anonymous
so I can't do that
the problem is for the other 200 students as well
 
@eleanora You can't pinpoint the student based on his answer?
 
10:12 AM
Well we can dupe one question of the second
 
Voted(as dup)
 
@Thaillie That may be possible but that would be after the deadline
 
@Thaillie at which point all the other 200 students may have copied this answer too
@TimCastelijns That question seems very DMCA/copyright focussed
 
@eleanora if students want to copy each other's work, they will do that anyway, be it through SO or an usb stick or something
 
10:14 AM
@TimCastelijns this is true.. the problem here is copying from publicly posted answers
@TimCastelijns If they just copy each other we have some ways of dealing with that
 
Programmers generally copy&paste a lot of code anyway, so aren't you actually teaching them a valuable lesson? :)
 
@DavidG negative :) The questions are about how to solve the problem
 
@eleanora So who is Benjamin Sach?
 
@DavidG the main teacher
@DavidG he wrote the question
 
What is the problem in using publicly posted answers, exactly?
 
10:20 AM
@DavidG if it helps I can point you to his university web page
 
That's what 99% of programmers do 40 hours a week
 
@TimCastelijns The marks for the homework go to their degree classification!
it makes a mockery of it
 
Well I suspect you will get more mileage by telling the students that any form of plagiarism (i.e. copying work from SO without attribution) will result in loss of marks in their course. Or make them answer the questions in a controlled environment.
 
@eleanora This one is closed now stackoverflow.com/questions/33928188/…
 
@Thaillie thanks.. one more to go :)
@DavidG this is true for the future. I mean they are warned. The problem is that anonymous posting on SO makes it very hard to police
 
10:22 AM
the duplicate stackoverflow.com/questions/33913746/… has a deleted (non-) answer from the teacher asking people not to reply to the question (requires 10k reputation to see it)
 
@DavidG I think we will have to just get rid of "summative" homework sadly
 
We can't do anything with the other one. If a question is a valid question, then it gets to stay.
 
@eleanora but you can see who used the code from the (yet to be given) answer
 
@TimCastelijns yes I can check for exact duplicates of the code.
 
Then the anonymity is not an issue, is it?
 
10:24 AM
@TimCastelijns it is because the answers and comments also contain how to solve the problem. Not just code
 
@eleanora although I share your concerns please know that this room really shouldn't be focusing on a single user. So calling out a user here to get their posts moderated is strictly against our policy. If done we risk getting the room frozen and our members suspended for voting ring behavior.
 
@rene wow.. ok
where should this have been discussed?
 
In your classroom probably
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@TimCastelijns no sorry.. I mean the urgent problem on SO
 
There is no problem here
 
10:26 AM
There is no urgent problem on SO
 
@DavidG that is very unsatisfactory and I don't get it. Questions are deleted that are from active competitions regularly aren't they?
 
"urgent" and "asap" are forbidden on so ;)
 
@DavidG there is a huge problem with the value of the university degree of 200 people!
 
@eleanora No, we don't delete things unless they violate some sort of copyright.
 
@DavidG well this violates copyright too. But I thought questions were closed at least that were from active competitions
 
10:28 AM
those students may get a degree, but a degree is nothing if you haven't actually learnt anything, you'll end up serving fries at McDonalds
 
It this violates copyright, then the link posted by Tim above is relevant.
 
@DavidG right.. I was just trying to avoid the lawyerly route
 
Sam
@JaromandaX Exactly.
 
@eleanora You can ask on meta but I don't have high hopes. One thing you can do is ask us to close questions as duplicates if more students have posted the same question. But legit questions (by our standards that is) shouldn't be closed IMHO.
 
... or middle management
 
10:28 AM
before I leave defeated.. is it really the case that questions from active online competitions are not closed?
 
David already answered that
 
If they fit our general rules, then no they will be left open.
 
Remind me: is it appropriate to place "flag / NAA" links here?
 
@DavidG Well SO has successfully killed summative homework in that case
congratulations!
 
@eleanora please also see the positive side here. I agree that copy pasting homework is bad behavior, but when a student has trouble and shows that he put effort in it himself but doesnt know how to "proceed", asking help should be fine. Alot of students are too shy or ashamed to ask for help when they need it and that is also a problem
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10:31 AM
@TimCastelijns they are supposed to ask help within the university and then we don't just give them the answer
 
And don't be so sarcastic, we are only trying to help
 
@TimCastelijns just providing the complete answer invalidates all their grades
 
Why restrict them to help from uni only?
 
@DavidG for the reason I just said
if someone just provides the complete answer it invalidates their grades
 
Questions that ask for complete answers are usually closed
 
10:32 AM
Then you and I have very different ideas on how students should be allowed to do their work.
 
@TimCastelijns I withdraw any sarcasm but as a factual statement it still holds
 
It really does not
 
@DavidG Do you think people should be allowed to post on SO during an exam?
 
In an open book exam with access to computers, why not?
 
@DavidG because someone else will get the grades for them!
maybe it's not clear.. person X graduates with a top grade from the universitry. This determines which job they get
 
10:33 AM
@eleanora if you allow your students online connection during an exam, you cannot prevent them seeking help online, be it on SO or somewhere else
 
For an exam just cut off the internet :p
 
Hello 4G
 
if they cheated it's a mockery of the grading system
 
Hmm, are scramblers still allowed?
 
@Thaillie right..in practical terms this means that summative homework is dead
 
10:34 AM
@eleanora: Good questions on SO show a measure of effort from the person asking the question.
 
and SO has mostly caused this
 
@eleanora don't be so pessimistic.
 
@Cerbrus sure but should they then get the grade of the answer the third party provided?
 
And don't give SO too much credit
 
I would love to hire someone with a degree that is capable if getting things done by finding the right answers quickly. There is more to a degree than just an answer to text-book question.
 
10:35 AM
@Cerbrus is there any way to set summative homework if they can get full answers from SO?
 
@eleanora partially provided, or fixed, or maybe even just gave a hind about what was going wrong
 
@rene that's nonsense unless you think you should be allowed to hire people to sit exams for you
 
@eleanora Like I said: Questions asking for full answers get closed quick enough
 
@Cerbrus well.. not really
 
@eleanora Would you allow a student to ask "how does function X work?" if it helped them complete their homework?
 
10:36 AM
@DavidG I think the word homework is the confusion here. Is it clear their grade goes to their final university degree classification?
 
@eleanora welcome in my practical world where I need to deliver stuff.
 
That is not really a concern I think
 
@eleanora Doesn't matter
 
Programmers need to know how to do research. It's crucial to be capable of asking the right questions
 
unless you all think that everyone should be allowed to cheat in exams
I can't see your point of view
but I thikn we have reacched the end of the line
bye all
 
10:37 AM
You are making up nonsense arguments
 
Cheating? Weren't we talking "open book" exams?
 
This conversation is going in circles now and I really need to do some proper work (mainly by searching SO for help...)
 
*Tumbleweed & Crickets*
 
Sam
Friday doesn't come quick enough.
 
Never have that problem with monday
 
10:45 AM
If a student is going to cheat, they will cheat. SO isn't the disease, it's barely a symptom.
 
@Rizier123 Wasn't that one asked for earlier?
 
Not sure, but I don't think so.
(The Q is 1 hour old if you mean this)
 
@Rizier123 You're right, you only mentioned it in a comment.
 
Sam
Gone at -8 finally.
 
@Rizier123 Er, what?!
 
10:59 AM
No freaking idea. My best bet would be that OP wants to ask if Facebook creates a new directory on the server for every user URL: facebook.com/jackxxxx
 

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