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12:00 AM
@theB Argh.
 
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Q: Cleanup some bad MediaWiki questions

NemoI'm a long-time MediaWiki user and I monitor MediaWiki-related questions to make sure they eventually have an answer. There are some low-quality questions which just clutter my todo list of unanswered questions for no gain, because I believe they are impossible to answer. This includes: low qu...

looks like a guy this room could help out...
 
@Deduplicator I know right?
 
12:35 AM
@Clo face
 
@theB :x
 
Come on you can do better than that
@clo face
 
@theB (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
12:47 AM
Hard to tell if that's a face or coredumping :)
 
I don't know it looked sorta happy to me
@Clo show Jon your war face
 
@theB ಠ_ಠ
 
or something chasing an upside own pi symbol/bowler hat...
 
Throwing a table?
 
yeah... not sure if upending a table is a "happy thing" though
 
12:51 AM
He's flippin' happy!
Got rid of everything to the right of the face.
 
1:44 AM
@closey when is my bed time?
 
@theB 2005/11/15
 
Well I'm seriously overdue.
 
@Clo and when is mine?
-.-
@Closey when is my bed time?
 
@Siguza 2011/11/20
 
hm, kinda overdue too
 
 
2 hours later…
3:46 AM
@approxiblue I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
@approxiblue It looks like you've finished reviewing & . Is that right?
approxiblue passed an audit!
@approxiblue It looks like you've finished reviewing . Is that right?
@approxiblue You've completed 40 CV review items today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 14 minutes, averaging to a review every 21 seconds.
 
 
4 hours later…
8:20 AM
@closey current tag
 
@Nemo Sorry, you need more permissions to run that command.
 
8:55 AM
@Closey current tag
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@Kyll The current tag is with 164 known review items.
 
 
1 hour later…
10:02 AM
I'd also like to actively participate in this group as I see `n` number of off-topic questions related to networking, os, computer architecture. May I start dropping the links here?
I want SO to be clean and concise...
 
@Am_I_Helpful First, you probably want to read through the information page, the room operators aren't awake yet, but they're rene and gunr2171. We have two bots that hang around SmokeDetector (commonly smokey or SD) that looks for potential problems, and Closey that helps track close vote review stats.
@Closey Show us your welcoming face.
 
@theB ( ͡°╭͜ʖ╮͡° )
 
Questions like these should be closed in a flah - [Back from vacation, internet is not working](http://stackoverflow.com/questions/33460253/back-from-vacation-internet-is-not-working)
Don't you people agree?
 
Agree, this is definitely off-topic
(can't report to Somkey)
 
10:18 AM
Agree Tunaki.
Downvoted, flagged too.
 
Sam
@Clo track user 1333493
 
@Sam Ok, I added Nemo (1333493) to the tracked users list.
 
Sam
Morning all
 
Hey
 
Morning!
 
11:15 AM
@Tunaki removed by author
 
11:40 AM
@Clo do you have a response face for 😢?
 
@theB (⊙ω⊙)
 
12:01 PM
@easwee I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
12:21 PM
@Closey bot works again i see :D
cc @gunr2171
 
Sam
@easwee We've been running the new version over the weekend to see how to fairs.
 
cool
 
@easwee You've completed 40 CV review items today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 24 minutes, averaging to a review every 35.6 seconds.
 
seems ok
also very fast end detection
 
Sam
12:42 PM
Yup.
@theB Needs one more cv.
@Sam s/to/it/ this is why I hate chat on mobile.
 
1:24 PM
@Sam And it's done thanks to Mogsdad
 
Sam
@Clo my face in reaction to that
 
@Sam ಠ╭╮ಠ
 
1:42 PM
Hey @JonClements - The last 3 accounts on the meta page referenced by the MSE post you linked in your comment still exist, with avatars in place.
 
@theB Okay - wasn't a mod then, and it doesn't appear to have been escalated since then so I'm going to ignore it for the time being - thanks though :)
 
@JonClements Ninja Puppies aren't born into a life of moderation? Thanks for looking anyway.
 
@theB haha... no - we're allowed to roam free for a little bit before hand... Thanks for pointing it out, but if it's not caused any issues after a year, then, it can wait while stuff that is happening now is handled is all :p
 
grrr, why can't I see the exact close reason anymore after voting for "off-topic"? -.-
or would somebody happen to know of a userscript that does that?
 
@Siguza huh?
 
1:59 PM
^ did I choose "no MCVE"? "no repro"? "superuser"?
 
Well - you'll find out when it gets closed - which Q was it? :p
 
fuuu autoboxing
I just wanna know so I can post a
 
You went for general computing and SU
 
Witchcraft...
 
lol
I don't wanna have to ask a mod every time I wanna know what I voted though...
 
2:14 PM
Same here - there's probably user script - or errr, just improve your memory? :p
 
2:30 PM
@SmokeDetector why?
 
@Mogsdad Body - Position 114-135: Best Hotel Management
 
@Mogsdad boom
 
@Siguza That looked like spam seed, didn't it?
 
@Mogsdad Mhm, quite...
 
@JonClements Jon, I noticed yesterday that if you flag a comment and the question gets deleted, the flag is automatically marked "helpful" but the comment isn't deleted. Is this normal? This could be a problem for offensive comments.
 
2:44 PM
It's status by design - but it's easy to forget to process comment flags first, then the question flags after where both apply...
 
OK, in my case, the question was deleted by the OP himself, not by a mod
 
If you notice that happening (however it does so) - then I think you can re-flag the comment (or if not - flag the post and point out there's still offensive comments)
 
Yes, that's actually what I did (reflag the comment and then it was deleted)
 
3:18 PM
is it dietplan?
 
yup
 
false positive then
Consider this question
there is a specific answer that already answers it
should I close as a duplicate even if the dupe target isn't really a duplicate?
 
3:45 PM
@Tunaki That question is kind of weird... the OP is asking whether X is good practice, but the fact that they ask the question strongly suggests that they already know it is not...
That said, I think this is a borderline case, but I'd let this one be... with a +6 answer and the link you added with your comment, I think it's fine...
 
Sam
4:11 PM
Hey @Gunr I managed to get most of the commands done yesterday, except for opt-in/opt-out.
 
sweet. Actually I noticed that I already did it, so it was a duplicate
i'm workin on that now
so. much. formatting.
that was a semi-bad idea
 
Sam
@gunr2171 Oh, I missed that.
ikr
 
Sam
4:33 PM
@Gunr I couldn't add much detail to the last command (approve/reject request) since I don't actually know that much about it myself.
 
yup, doing that now as well
just did a big push for everything else
 
user4639281
Hello everybody
 
Sam
kk
 
@JonasCz boom
 
Sam
Hey Tiny
 
4:33 PM
@TinyGiant Plop!
 
oh hi
 
user4639281
How's everyone today?
 
Mornin' Tiny!
 
working on a func spec
 
Sam
@TinyGiant Good thanks, just got in from a small hike.
 
user4639281
4:34 PM
Fun fun.
 
How bad is it to answer a question and at the same time vote to close it?
 
user4639281
Horrible.
 
aww
asking for a friend
 
Sam
@user2314737 You'll die a mysterious death afterwards.
 
user4639281
If you can make a question on-topic, edit it. If it is off-topic enough to close it, don't answer it. Answers can stop closed questions from being automatically being deleted.
 
4:37 PM
@Sam how long do I still have to live?
 
user4639281
@Closey when will he die?
 
@TinyGiant Yesterday.
 
@Tiny Giant ok thanks will see what I can do to save my life and reputation
 
user4639281
Well, there you have your answer.
 
@Clo are you sure about when?
 
4:38 PM
Closey, not again. We already said to you not to use the time machine
 
Darn question mark...
 
@Tiny-Giant ok thanks will see what I can do to save my life and reputation
 
user4639281
No problem, happy to provide guidance.
 
Sam
@theB "when" has to be at the start of the message
 
user4639281
So apparently if a user provides four non-answer answers to their own question and you downvote each, the serial reversal script reverses it...
 
4:39 PM
aah... so is face still anywhere in the message?
 
@TinyGiant Dupes are a bit of a different story though...
 
Sam
@theB Yes.
@TinyGiant Not surprising really.
 
user4639281
@Siguza Only if you don't know of a duplicate.
 
Fancy
 
Because for high-traffic-low-knowledge-tags (aka. JS and PHP), someone will post those two sentences as an answer and get +4 for it before the question is closed as dupe...
 
4:46 PM
Not feeling too well ... bye guys, if I'm not back you know why
 
user4639281
Hope you feel better @user2314737
 
Hey there...
 
yo
 
I have an itch to scratch about the LowQuality Queue...
but I would like some other opinions..
 
user4639281
What's yer itch?
 
4:56 PM
sure, link to a review, or the queue in general?
 
queue in general
my itch is code-only answers..
I've been digging a little on meta and found that these answers are not supposed to be deleted
instead one should downvote and comment
 
user4639281
That is true.
 
I use this comment (feel free to take it)
 
I'd love to clean them up though
 
> While this code snippet may solve the question, including an explanation really helps to improve the quality of your post. Remember that you are answering the question for readers in the future, and those people might not know the reasons for your code suggestion.
 
4:57 PM
@TinyGiant I disagree, "How would i now randomly choose one image, blit it at the coordinates (200, 0) and then make sure i dont open that image up again."
 
@vaultah i think the OP clarified that part after the CV request was made
 
@gunr2171 hmm.. I'd love to get some actual formalized comment from SE in the queues.
to be honest I want to get rid of code-only answers overall
 
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Q: Can we agree on a review 'policy'?

BenjolOn the review page, there is a one-sentence guideline on reviewing. I think that as the number of reviewers increase, it is going to become increasingly necessary to come to some kind of agreement about a standard way to handle the different 'cases' that arise. I'm not sure if 'one question to r...

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Q: AutoReviewComments - Pro-forma comments for SE

Benjol No more re-typing the same comments over and over! This script adds a little 'auto' link next to all comments boxes. When you click the link, you see a popup with 6 configurable auto-comments (canned responses), which you can easily click to insert. This script was inspired by answers to thi...

 
user4639281
@vaultah Well, if that is the case, then the user should have asked specifically about "make sure i dont open that image up again.". The question also doesn't ask a question. So too broad or unclear work as well.
 
Then again I come from Code Review, where code-only answers are explicitly discouraged to the point of regularly being deleted...
 
user4639281
5:02 PM
I recommend deletion, but I don't recommend that anyone else recommends deletion on those posts.
 
I think code-only answers here are tolerable. It's not the best, but it's not the worst.
 
user4639281
The problem is the flags used to get them into the queue. They are answers and they don't have severe content or formatting problems.
 
^ true
 
@TinyGiant I hate my enter key being so close to the apostrophe too.
 
they're kinda overrunning the very-low-quality queue though..
so there's a significant number of users that thinks they are very low quality
 
5:04 PM
what I do is add that comment and hit "looks ok" (assuming the code matches what is in the question)
 
isn't that a sign that site-policy should adapt?
 
user4639281
So acting on the flag reason, those posts should not be deleted. But from a curation stand-point I think that they are useless on the site and my only method of getting rid of them is to recommend deletion.
 
user4639281
Very low quality specifically means "This post has severe content or formatting problems". Just being code only does not mean that they are VLQ.
 
There's also the faq on meta
> Any post that attempts to answer the question, however badly is still an answer. You can downvote such posts to signal that the answer is a bad answer, but it is still an answer.
 
user4639281
^^ That is what we're supposed to do. And what we are supposed to recommend others do.
 
5:06 PM
that really doesn't sit well with me
 
user4639281
But that depends on if you are Lawful Good or not.
 
Sam
@Vogel612 Same.
 
Chaotic Good, maybe
 
<-- Chaotic Neutral. More fun to play.
 
yea probably
somewhere between 1 and 4
 
5:07 PM
@Closey when is an answer not an answer?
 
@Tunaki 2008/07/07
 
user4639281
When was SO's debut?
 
but delving back in here after going to a nice clean and high-quality beta site makes me want to puke..
 
user4639281
@Vogel612 That is why some of us take a less lenient approach to curation.
 
Your sentence will be following the and tags
 
5:09 PM
@Tunaki it's bad enough in ...
 
user4639281
We'll put it this way, I rarely click "Looks OK".
 
Sam
> Try dis bruh: brokenOneLiner.DoMagic(new UnreferencedObject());
I see soo much of that ^
When reviewing the LQPQ
 
@Closey when was the last time Tiny clicked "Looks OK" in VLQ?
 
@Tunaki 2024/07/29
 
I never click looks ok. If I think it's ok, I skip, let someone else burn their reviews robo-accepting
 
Sam
5:10 PM
@theB I do exactly the same.
 
sometimes, the code really is self explanatory.
 
I should say rarely
 
@Sam Me too ^^
 
user4639281
That's what I do as well, unless it is obviously an audit.
 
which reminds me I seem to have failed an audit against spam... where the affiliation was disclosed...
 
user4639281
5:11 PM
I also count "try this" as a code-only answer.
 
Sam
@cimmanon Yeah, sometimes. But most of the time I see the OP asking wth is this code.
 
user4639281
@Vogel612 If the post only exists to promote a product, it is spam whether the affiliation is disclosed or not.
 
I usually spend all my reviews on closure, deletion, etc, instead of "looks ok" or "leave open". If everyone skips, this will happen anyway, and if other people think it's not ok, then that's too bad for the author. But I get to be more destructive towards crap this way :D
 
user4639281
If the post is an answer, but also exists to promote a product and the affiliation is not disclosed, it is spam as well.
 
Sam
@TinyGiant I still skip audits. No point wasting my precious reviews on fake items.
 
user4639281
5:13 PM
@Sam I thought audits didn't count
 
The thing is that code-only answers are sometimes used as audits
 
Sam
@TinyGiant They do in the CV queue. So I just assume they do elsewhere.
 
user4639281
No that's right they do.
 
I've been known to click "Looks OK" on code-only answers because the code was self-explanatory, only to find out I failed an audit...
 
user4639281
@Tunaki I've never had a positive code-only answer audit though.
 
user4639281
5:15 PM
Audits in the LQPRQ are horrible, because if you review based on the advice on meta, you'll fail audits and if you review based on the culture of the LQPRQ you will also fail other audits. It's all broke up.
 
@TinyGiant exactly, so that's why I always click the link to the answer, and decide based on that
 
@Vogel612 Brad's got a meta post somewhere, where he hit a post with a spam flag as part of a cleanup and it ended up being a review. Course I can't find it.
 
user4639281
@Tunaki I... do something like that.
 
@Tunaki that's so much time overhead
who the crap flags answers on 2 year old -3 score questions??
 
@Vogel612 not so much actually, opening the answer, seeing if it's deleted or not is very fast
 
user4639281
5:17 PM
@Vogel612 Sometimes the system does that automatically.
 
user4639281
The "truth" is out there, and it isn't even very well hidden. If you know where to look, it is very easy to find.
 
@Sam this one is not even properly formatted...
 
user4639281
@Sam Good old "no comment necessary"
 
there might be some gold in there....
 
Sam
@Tunaki Yup, and another one.
They're everywhere.
 
@Sam and someone actually clicked "Looks OK" on that
seriously?
 
Sam
what is the world coming to?
 
that's NARQ
 
user4639281
passed LQPRQ audit
 
5:26 PM
> I don't understand your intentions,You can say in the comments of careful
Wait... what?
 
it's called machine translation
sometimes I wonder how people can survive in the programming world with that level of english...
 
@Vogel612 I wondered also if it's a typo, I'm not sure what the problem is
 
Jay Hanlon on February 13, 2014
Two weeks ago, we announced the public launch of Stack Overflow in Portuguese, our first-ever non-English Stack Overflow community. Which raises one very obvious question:
 
but clearly, the current answers are not correct
 
going afk
 
5:29 PM
@Tunaki actually it should be...
at least that VLQ flagged answer has a point..
 
Found Brad's answer about spam seeds making it into review audits.
 
I wondered about execute vs executeUpdate, but then looked at the docs
and it seems execute is more general than executeUpdate
 
yeap. but the interesting part is the preparation of the statement
IIRC there's some database engines that can't cope with a trailing ;
 
yeah, but apparently, that's not the problem
 
5:47 PM
I can't believe the number of questions I dupehammer to "What is a NPE in Java"
It's like I spend 30 of my CV in that
"Hey guys, I tried hard everything, google doesn't help, this is my error: java.lang.NullPointerException"
 
@Tunaki "dear sirs ,i am error having nullexceptionpointer !plese help !!!urgent! ! !!"
 
Sam
@theB -1 not enough "1!!1!111!!11!eleven!11!!111!".
 
@Sam "this assignment is due in 3 hours!!1!!!!11!!!11!!11!1!! why wont anyone halp"
 
Sam
@theB s/this assignment/me urgent assignment/
@clo face of op
 
@Sam ಠ╭╮ಠ
 
6:01 PM
@Clo What's your face when you're hungry?
 
Sam
@ProgramFOX Gotta reboot, just a sec.
 
@Sam Umm... how to use this? :P
ah
 
Sory, the code is unreadable — alenan2013 Oct 25 at 19:59
 
Sam
@clo stop bot
 
@Sam I'm shutting down...
Goodbye!
Hey everyone! (SO Close Vote Chatbot started, linux branch test!)
 
6:03 PM
@Closey What's your face when you're hungry?
 
@ProgramFOX o_o
 
lol, staring at the food like that...
 
Sam
@Clo What's Pro's face when he's hungry?
 
@Sam O_o
 
6:11 PM
@Clo when will people stop editing putting solved into the titles of their questions?
 
@theB 2021/11/19
 
remove last char — Kalpesh Soni 1 hour ago
which last char? — Yoshua Nahar 1 hour ago
 
Sam
...
 
@Siguza Ha, you're on this question also
It's epic
 
@Tunaki Yes, because of the link you posted ^^
 
6:13 PM
@Siguza boom
 
@Tunaki Mind boom'ing that one too?
 
@Siguza god, boomed too
 
@Tunaki There are four more :P
 
Sam
@Siguza I thought I VTC'd that first one last night. Weird.
 
all gone
 
6:22 PM
And then there's those with only two or three CV's... when those are gone, the MediaWiki clean-up is complete
 
Y'all work fast
 
voted on all 3, last one is gone
 
Sam
The first two need one more vote.
 
user4639281
6:39 PM
@Siguza All gone
 
nice
 
6:50 PM
can't dupehammer this since I edited the tags... eh :)
ok it's gone
 

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