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5:01 PM
hi every one
 
Sam
Hiya
 
i have one doubt in php...i need help please anyone help me
 
JAL
Wrong place to ask
 
@AnanthaselvamP try the php room but check their rules first
 
5:06 PM
okay.Thanks
 
@rene I would make it transparent if we did it. I was just thinking that if it was closed it should be closed correctly.
 
@NathanOliver yep, OK
Ha Smokey
 
5:23 PM
What is the correct way to disagree with a dupe target? I feel this should be a dupe of this and not this
 
ping the close voter?
 
JAL
Post on meta?
 
Oct 18 at 17:18, by Tiny Giant
> Close Vote requests should be used when a question meets any of the following criteria:
>
> * Is in a low traffic tag, so unlikely to be closed naturally
> * Should be closed quickly, to avoid FGITW
> * Is old but attracting attention from new users
>
> Otherwise, you should wait to see if it gets closed naturally. If the question doesn't get closed within a reasonable amount of time, then you can consider sending a close vote request. In general, large amounts of close vote requests from a single user in a short span of time is considered spam.
In other words, rep doesn't matter as long as you stick to that policy
 
Okay. pinged the close voter. I'll give it some time.
 
@Siguza I have a hard time understanding the policy though
Either it's in a low traffic tag and there isn't many close-voters, or it's in a popular tag crowder with FGITW
 
5:27 PM
@theB this in the room rules: Ideally 3k reputation, but 1k will do. That assumes you know the core of the site and assumes you have enough experience in (self)moderation. So you're fine.
 
I mean, every single or or question fits the second criteria
 
user4639281
@theB Also, we have a fancy userscript for generating cv requests and sending them to chat from a question.
 
@Kyll That's mostly a time matter
A question in a high traffic tag that is a few hours old isn't really in danger of FGITW answers anymore
 
user4639281
@Kyll For example. A blatant FGITW off-topic question in will be closed before you finish sending the request, however a less obvious FGITW off-topic question may not.
 
JAL
Why would someone want to reopen this question? stackoverflow.com/review/reopen/10028696
 
user4639281
5:31 PM
The idea is that if I went out and cv-pls-ed every javascript question that comes in and can be closed then this room would just be packed with cv requests and no one would have any cv's left.
 
@Kyll what we basically want to avoid that you hook up the websocket on the new question feed for php and transform them into cv-pls requests here. Beyond that anything will do, as long as you stay open for feedback and respond to that feedback as intended.
 
@TinyGiant - I installed that, and @rene's review queue counter. Plus the editor toolkit.
 
@JAL Because being wrong is too easy
 
@rene There goes my side-project
Understood, thanks =)
 
5:32 PM
you're welcome ;)
 
user4639281
@theB Awesome
 
@theB start using it then, we will tell you when you misjudge questions
 
user4639281
^^ That one is just too funny.
 
@rene Willco.
 
user4639281
Had to share. Forgive me that it doesn't fit within my guidelines.
 
5:34 PM
:D
 
user4639281
@JAL That question is useful though. I think it could qualify as a canonical. It isn't really off-topic, it just isn't phrased very well.
 
JAL
Yeah it needs an edit
What should be done if a user is promoting an answer to another question on multiple questions?
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21759899/how-to-generate-hash-using-specified-salt-and-password-in-asp-net-identity/33420580#33420580
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30634371/converting-plain-password-to-ef-asp-net-identity-passwordhash/33420645#33420645
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5033886/generate-asp-net-membership-password-hash-in-pure-t-sql/33420086#33420086
these are all in the Late Answers queue
 
Sam
@JAL First 2 are link-only imo, the third seems ok.
 
JAL
the first two link to the third
 
Sam
I just flagged naa.
 
JAL
5:39 PM
ok
 
Sam
Without the link the answers are pretty useless, so.
 
JAL
agreed
 
user4639281
@JAL edited
 
JAL
thanks, voted to reopen
 
While we feel there's potential value to this feature request, we think we cannot measure its actual impact until the new nav is deployed to low reputation users, so we decided to postpone any decision until then (around 1 month) — Sklivvz ♦ 25 mins ago
Well that's BS...
 
5:43 PM
@TinyGiant why did that get reopened? it isnt a programming question
 
user4639281
It most definitely is a programming question.
 
configuring crons is a programming question?
 
user4639281
Bash is a programming language is it not?
 
thats not bash?
 
user4639281
Well... I disagree on that but anyways, it is a question about a programming tool for the use of programming. It is very helpful, and not harmful in any way. What is the point of closing it?
 
JAL
5:46 PM
@cimmanon would you say that it's off topic because it's about general computing?
 
@JAL well thats what it was closed as
 
user4639281
It's not about general computing. It's about using a programming tool for programming purposes.
 
@TylerH span.intellitab:nth-child(1) { display : none; }
 
its more server admin type stuff, dont know that many people use it on their desktop
 
Problem solved
 
user4639281
5:47 PM
I do.
 
we dont allow just any questions about browsers on SO, despite the fact that they are used for "programming purposes"
 
user4639281
.... It's a programming tool... being used for programming purposes. It is helpful, it is not harmful. What is the problem with it existing just the way it is? It hurts nothing and helps a lot of people and is on-topic. There are much better uses of a close vote than that question.
 
@Kyll I don't think you know how happy you just made me.
 
user4639281
@Kyll But that doesn't load a different tab, it just hides the home tab.
 
user4639281
so you're still on the home tab.
 
JAL
6:02 PM
nice
 
If a badge for the worst question existed in SO, you will probably be a good nominate for it. — gsamaras 2 mins ago
 
audit. question not found
 
JAL
oh you can now see deleted questions when you pass the audit
awesome
 
yeah, that is new!
 
6:11 PM
 
JAL
nice
 
user4639281
@JAL That happened when they instituted the ability to review all of your previous reviews. Now we can see even regular posts that have been deleted if we've reviewed them and are viewing them in the review queue.
 
That request needed 6 to 8 6 to 8 weeks to get implemented
 
I still wished they would display if what the consensus was
 
6:17 PM
So I've just hit apex.oracle.com/pls/apex/mfajertest1/department/1. The root node is an object, not an array, so you need to query getDept.items instead. Thus, I'm downvoting. — James Wright 5 mins ago
 
@NathanOliver You are using my script for that?
 
^^ "I found the problem you were looking for, so I'm going to punish you."
 
What's a down vote? — mfajer 5 mins ago
 
@rene You have a script for that? I was talking about this tab. I wish they would show right there what the outcome of the review was.
 
@PaulRoub might need some guidance to explain how to vote. Will you do that?
@NathanOliver I have this one: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/248338/…
 
6:21 PM
@rene Mr. Wright has 1.2K and presumably knows how to vote. I did suggest that he post an answer instead of comment+downvote. I'll reply to mjafer, though.
 
OK
 
@rene Oh wow, didn't think people would agree with my aggressive style :P
 
@rene Sweet. Thanks.
 
Sometimes you don't want to help.
3
 
JAL
I accidentally javascript
> +1
 
6:36 PM
So sad
"Turbo C++ 3.0 was released in 1991" why are you using such an ancient compiler/environment — Ryan Haining 6 mins ago
It's part of my college course they use it as an introduction to programming — Craig Cheney 3 mins ago
 
@NathanOliver Our only assembly language course targeted the 8086. (This was in 2013)
 
ouch
 
JAL
wow
we used MIPS
(not like I remember any of it though)
lol
 
user4639281
They made us use butterflies and magic, but whatever.
 
6:51 PM
@JAL Could close that as "not reproducible / typo", no? OP describes small change they made to fix their problem at bottom of question.
 
JAL
@Mogsdad done
thanks
who asks Paint Shop Pro questions on SO?
(attracting new answers)
 
@SmokeDetector closed
 
JAL
that was quick
amazing title
 
@JAL 19 seconds
 
6:56 PM
@JAL I used to teach computer architecture & assembly language courses, with a variety of CPUs. (8051, 80x86 family, PowerPC, ARM) For learning, it really doesn't matter which you use - people who will go forward and deal with machine-level programming can cope with new processors and instruction sets, and those who won't... will tell you they don't remember any of it anyway!
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JAL
Haha! I wish I remembered more of it. It would be cool to do more low-level programming, especially in the mobile space or embedded systems.
But for now I'll just stick with iOS
 
@rene For some reason, "Puff the Magic Dragon" popped into my head when I read this.
 
@Mogsdad is that good or bad? For you or for me?
 
@rene I am sorry but you comment has been closed as too broad. Please only ask one question per line ;P
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@rene "Ping the Close Voter... closed crappy posts... and frolicked in the underworld of the SOCVR!"... It's stuck in my head! HALP!
 
7:09 PM
@Mogsdad don't you dare infect me
 
"Little Bobby Tables... Loved that rascal Ping..."
@gunr2171 Here, man... take a drag on this... youtube.com/watch?v=uMYczk0qO7M
 
favorite code based song: No Time for JAVA
 
nope, so much nope
 
@NathanOliver kick my self...
 
7:20 PM
@rene I think unicorns would be good, but what's key is that we get the Haskell icon for the ones that were failures. — TylerH 3 mins ago
Probably the most important aspect of the feature request
 
7:35 PM
@Siguza script updated
@TylerH that is
 
\o/
 
> Version 0.4 added three new states, audit, pending (others/own).
What version 0.4?
But thanks
 
That would be the one with the unicorns and Haskell logo
 
I assume you'll put it on greasyfork as well? Because scripts from links get synced across devices in Tampermonkey, scripts without a link don't.
 
@SmokeDetector looks like someone got grounded
 
7:40 PM
lol
 
7:52 PM
Somebody get me a fainting couch I just approved two edits in a row...
 
@bob Aw, man! We built that regex in the autoeditor!
 
@Siguza yep, done
 
May I be excused being reminded of the events? I'm already out of close votes today anyway.
 
@pnuts I think that is a feature of the chat system. I can't disable that per user.
 
Ok -thanks for explanation!
 
7:56 PM
actually, I don't think we can turn off notifications like that for events, only feeds.
 
@pnuts No problem. I'll ping you way before the next event ;)
 
@Closey refresh tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@gunr2171 Tag data has been refreshed.
 
you beat me to it
 
:D
it's the pre-game warmup
 
7:59 PM
I just heard "This is Halloween" from the moive "Nightmare on Christmas" done by Marilyn Manson. It was awesome.
 
Sam
(I'm gonna be a couple of mins late for the event.)
 
user4639281
@NathanOliver I love that song by the way.
 
While I'm here. I've been working my way through deleting the [microsoft] tags. Many seem highly prospective for closure, but once I've done away with the tag the Qs will blend in with all the others.
 
user4639281
@Closey starting
 
@TinyGiant May the Vote be with you!
 
user4639281
8:00 PM
passed python audit
 
@Closey start event
 
10,113 need review
1,772 reviews today
2,887,027 reviews all-time
The tags to work on are: , , .
 
@Closey starting
 
@gunr2171 Happy reviewing!
 
@Closey starting
 
8:01 PM
@rene May the Vote be with you!
 
passed python audit
thanks queue system, the first one!
 
user4639281
passed android audit
 
user4639281
@gunr2171 mine too
 
: (
 
@Closey starting
 
8:02 PM
@NathanOliver Watch out for audits!
 
passed php audit
passed sonarqube audit
 
passed javascript audit
 
If the question just gets downvoted but stays open, maybe I'll eventually get the reversal badge for this!
 
passed javascript audit
 
passed javascript audit
 
8:10 PM
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 3 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@rene Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@rene Your last completed review session ended 11 seconds ago and lasted 9 minutes. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 13 seconds.
 
JAL
@Closey starting
 
@JAL May Shog9's Will be done.
 
user4639281
8:11 PM
passed c++ audit
 
@pnuts you're going to tag-edit those 1400 question?
 
user4639281
@Closey Awfully presumptuous aren't you.
 
@TinyGiant Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
user4639281
Thought so.
 
I wrote that one as a joke
 
8:12 PM
@rene Seems no one else is going to :(
 
That might be true, yes
 
JAL
passed scala audit
 
passed php audit
 
user4639281
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 3 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@TinyGiant Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
8:14 PM
passed c++ audit
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 3 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@NathanOliver Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@NathanOliver Your last completed review session ended 7 seconds ago and lasted 13 minutes and 26 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 20 seconds.
 
user4639281
@Closey last session stats
 
@TinyGiant Your last completed review session ended 2 minutes and 26 seconds ago and lasted 13 minutes and 24 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 20 seconds.
 
8:16 PM
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [database]"
 
JAL
passed python audit
 
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 3 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@gunr2171 Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@gunr2171 Your last completed review session ended 7 seconds ago and lasted 17 minutes and 26 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 26 seconds.
 
JAL
8:19 PM
Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 3 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@JAL Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
later guys
 
JAL
cya
 
cya
 
user4639281
cya
 
8:40 PM
 
8:55 PM
sd ignore- edited
 
I am looking for a solution using javascript. — Tom Finet 57 mins ago
Oh, but then you go and accept a CSS-only answer
@Closey next 5 tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@TylerH The next 5 tags are: 125, 84, 79, 73, 69
 
@Closey starting
 
@TylerH Watch out for audits!
 
I'm out for the night ...
 
JAL
9:06 PM
cya rene
waits
rene's asleep post onebox images!
 
Sam
user image
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> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[database]"
 
9:25 PM
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 2 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@TylerH Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
JAL
9:47 PM
Night all
 
user4639281
cya
 
Sam
Cya
 
9:59 PM
@Kyll around?
 
10:19 PM
Anyone else wanna see my finished tag vote stats? (All time/2015)
 
0
Q: Let me vote to close questions from the Low Quality Posts queue

UndoWhen I review low quality posts, I usually filter for answers. This means I see a lot of terrible answers. Often, those terrible answers stem from a terrible question. Usually, I force click the link to open the whole page in a little popup window (Safari is awesome that way), which lets me tria...

Folks in here might be interested in that ^
 
I certainly am
Although I think the answer's gonna be "userscript"
 
I doubt it
 
10:35 PM
@Siguza Now yes
 
@Kyll You wanted to see vote stats over all tags, right?
 
@Siguza Yes, did you manage to create the query?
 
16 mins ago, by Siguza
Anyone else wanna see my finished tag vote stats? (All time/2015)
 
Oh, I see your message
 
Guess which tag sucks even more than PHP? :P
 
10:38 PM
Wow... In 2015 the medium amount of upvotes for question on was 0.22, and 0.30 on
0.08 o_o
What would be fun would be another all-time query that excludes canonical questions/answers with a score above some threshold like 50 or 100 upvotes
 
Shall it be 50 or 100 then?
Let's make it 50, 50 is a lot already...
 
Let's say 75
 
Alright
 
Okay for 50 then
 
^^
 
10:42 PM
><
Take it as user input? =p
 
^^
I made 50 now
 
@theB Glad to help =q
Mh... Even excluding canonical questions and answers, the all-time average is still waaaay higher than today's
 
"Siguza is UNSTOPPABLE"
Woah
Without Jon Skeet there's a slight dent in Java and C#
 
And a bigger one in .net answers ^^
 
10:49 PM
questions : 1.693 -> 1.678 -- answers : 2.25 -> 2.21
questions : 1.893 -> 1.873 -- answers : 2.41 -> 2.34
 
answers 3.106 -> 3.027
Woah, just had a tooltip "you have less than 6 seconds for editing" 0_0
 
"Hurry up or get denied"
 
user4639281
 
@TinyGiant Asynchronous programming
 
user4639281
Sure
 
user4639281
10:56 PM
Or trying to teach someone how lexical scoping works
 
Or PHP
Just PHP...
 
user4639281
That too
 
user4639281
Or trying to teach someone who is used to PHP how lexical scoping works.
 
> Fatal error: Exception thrown without a stack frame in Unknown on line 0
 
@TinyGiant I actually managed to teach students lexical scoping in JS without much issue
 
user4639281
11:00 PM
@Kyll Well, this person admitted after the fact that they were intoxicated, so that didn't help
 
@TinyGiant Come on, barely intoxicated
 
user4639281
@Kyll they never said barely.
 
@TinyGiant Because they were intoxicated
Like, too much to say many words
 
user4639281
@Kyll That could most definitely it.
 
But not enough to understand lexical scoping
One of them did convulse when I started my speech on __proto__
 
user4639281
11:02 PM
Ohh I get you now. You have to be intoxicated to understand lexical scoping.
 
@TinyGiant Barely not what I meant
 
user4639281
lol
 
user4639281
Ever had a user invite you to chat to tell you that your answer worked?
 
@TinyGiant That's like receiving an empty gift box...
 
user4639281
inorite?
 
11:11 PM
Did they at least upvote your answer too?
 
user4639281
Yeah.
 
Alright, otherwise we'd have a new extreme here
 
user4639281
They upvoted it originally but accepted someone else's answer. Then when they couldn't figure out why they couldn't apply my answer (they misrepresented their HTML in their question) they asked me why then gave me a password to log into the administration portion of their online store.
 
user4639281
Which I almost couldn't resist screwing with just to teach them not to hand out passwords like candy.
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: No upvote, no accept, but OP invites you to chat to tell you how much they love you and how well your answer works.
 
user4639281
11:14 PM
Then I fixed the problem and let them know, after which they invited me to chat to tell me that it worked.
 
@TinyGiant You should screw it up
 
user4639281
After which they accepted my answer.
 
@TinyGiant You should've changed it. No damage or anything, just lock them out :D
 
user4639281
@Kyll I should, but those 15 points are so warm and cuddly.
 
user4639281
@Siguza Lol, I thought about that too, but again those 15 points....
 
11:15 PM
@TinyGiant At that point I don't know if you're joking or I should be terrified
Probably both
 
user4639281
Trust me, if I was malicious, your computer probably wouldn't be running right now and you wouldn't have any money in your bank account.
 
@TinyGiant lol, if you're ever on the verge of world domination, I'm gonna offer you a +500 bounty for handing it over to me xD
 
user4639281
@Siguza Hey, the whole word? That's worth at least 1000 IIP.
 
@TinyGiant 750. And a cookie.
 
user4639281
Those terms are acceptable.
 
11:18 PM
Good thing I can bake :D
 
user4639281
Once sam is primed and ready to fire I'll collect.
 
grabs popcorn and waits
 
user4639281
lol
 
user4639281
Some men just want to watch the world burn. I want to charge other people for the chance to watch the world burn.
 
user4639281
Then change their passwords while they're waiting for the world to burn, and watch them scramble when they realize they've been tricked.
 
11:23 PM
No, you just want rep ^^
 
user4639281
Damn, you caught me.
 
user4639281
What I wouldn't do for IIP.
 
user4639281
OOo I just thought of a great horrible idea. Introduce audits into the mainstream. So you could be randomly viewing a question, vote the wrong way and boom "STOP! Collaborate and Listen."
 
@TinyGiant And soon after, all life in , and was no more.
 
user4639281
Well... that's just an observation that all voters in those tags are bad voters.
 
user4639281
11:31 PM
You forgot android.
 
11:51 PM
Alright, I'm out for today
cya guys
 
Hi Everybody! How'd the clear the queue event go?
 
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