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12:51 AM
 
Spam - this... and see what you think of their other posts.
 
user4639281
1:24 AM
@cimmanon Don't sell yourself short, you're really knowledgeable about a lot of things along with great research and deduction skills and countless other great employable traits. Believe in yourself and others will believe in you.
 
user4639281
@mogs spammed and voted.
 
@TinyGiant Hmm. One of my cv-pls requests is missing. It had a custom reason, and I clicked the check box. Is that a bug?
 
Sep 28 at 0:32, by Kevin Brown
custom cv-pls messages for custom close vote reasons
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad it should return custom, h/o
 
@TinyGiant That leaves it a silent-failure path, not good. What if it just posted "custom"?
Ok, that was weird. I was responding to TG's post.
 
user4639281
1:30 AM
@KevinBrown How come I didn't get that?
 
@TinyGiant That was mid-conversation and I forgot to create a ticket on GitHub
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Design flaw. Hold on.
 
Right, then. Getting out the tar and feathers...
 
user4639281
lolz
 
user4639281
I gotta get a bit of work done then I'll work on it.
 
1:32 AM
@TinyGiant No worries.
 
user4639281
Also, my version of the script looks nothing like yours. oooooo forshadowing....
 
2:03 AM
Brief pause in review for a bit of rep-whoring.
 
@Mogsdad Ooooh boy. Yeah, OR vs. or is soooo much more clear than || versus |.
 
Well, when you start with "random logic expressions", you've got no way to go but up.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad In javascript you can do if([1,2,3].indexOf(a) !== -1)
 
@TinyGiant I know, right?!
 
user4639281
Course, you're creating a new array instance for a simple check... but premature optimization, blah blah, yadda yadda, it's cool shut up.
 
user4639281
2:11 AM
Like, you can do an operation on each character in a string (or portions of a string) using 'hello world'.split('').map(function(s){ return s + 'foo' }).join('');
 
2:23 AM
Just did my first H&I review. I'm not going to get that badge, just stay stuck at 1. What an unpleasant experience.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad lol
 
user4639281
I've got 44
 
@TinyGiant I already know you're insane, so. Ironically, it's more hand-holdy than writing your first question is.
 
user4639281
I'll get steward in 10 years I think.
 
Rather be stewed.
 
user4639281
2:25 AM
Yep, would be nice.
 
user4639281
Instead I'm hanging women's clothing and listening to skrillex.
 
@TinyGiant Sounds like you need a diversion! Here.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Cool, you can take a listen at this
 
@TinyGiant Already have it.
 
user4639281
Favorite song right now.
 
2:31 AM
Skrillex performed at Bluesfest 2014 here, my son became a fan. Me, less so, but it's in the rotation.
 
user4639281
I don't like all of it, I'm much fonder of the heavier stuff.
 
user4639281
First of the year being a better example.
 
@TinyGiant I'm partial to acoustic music, stuff I can play. Anyone who writes music and plays instruments has my respect.
 
user4639281
Don't get me wrong, I love lots of music. Everything from reggae to blue grass. I just sometimes have to listen to something a bit heavier. Especially when everything's falling down around me.
 
Could be worse... you could be the guy on the receiving end of this;
A two-character lower-case macro? Does anyone else have to work with your code? Does anyone who uses for loops have to work with your code? Does your office door have a deadbolt? — Beta 24 mins ago
Hmm... couple hundred profile views today. I wonder if being linked in the hottest meta post had anything to do with that? :/
 
2:53 AM
@Mogsdad as that evil downvoter? :p
 
That's me, apparently! Sigh.
I'm actually overwhelmed by the votes on that post - would have been nice if just one of the 130 up-voters had cared to comment just once on any one of the many burnination posts. What a shit-storm.
 
people just want to cry about everything
i mean seriously, that guy could have deleted his answer and immediately got that rep back
i never downvoted any answer higher than +2 or +3
 
user4639281
I didn't either.
 
user4639281
There's no point in downvoting anything highly upvoted, I like to get the -1 back before it sticks.
 
user4639281
I am honestly going to keep my opinion to myself about those recent meta posts, because I tend to get in trouble when I have opinions like these.
 
3:01 AM
@cimmanon Tricky thing, though - the query thresholds we had aimed at 5 as the tipping point, but only looked at questions. Say you have a low-voted question, it's in the list. This one would have been. One or two people tap it + any positive-voted answers, and now you have a question with <5 votes... and it looks like what we considered fair game.
 
i suppose thats true
 
So it's likely that even those of us who were conscientiously avoiding voting on high-voted posts could have voted on this one, or others like it.
 
well i didnt vote on that particular one :p
 
The vote-to-zero thing has made me uncomfortable all along - I recall a couple of conversations here when I first showed up. (So I have evidence when I'm called for the Congressional Hearing!) I'm very happy to see it gone - not the least because I've found myself in front of a couple of burn activities.
 
user4639281
We should have better tools at our disposal to deal with this.
 
user4639281
3:06 AM
I didn't even look to see if I voted on the answer.
 
@TinyGiant Funny thing... that rapid-downvote tool is actually pretty good at making these questions stand out when they are vulnerable. I did add a couple like that to be Delete-voted, once I had the tool.
@TinyGiant I know I did - but wouldn't have been first, as it had, what 6? 7?
 
@TinyGiant yeah, well you werent there at the only interview ive had all year. i sounded like such an idiot, i couldnt help but feel terrible for wasting the guy's time.
 
Well, dog walk time, then hitting the rack. Remember to shut the lights off when you leave!
 
user4639281
@cimmanon Ahh shit happens. I've looked like a tool at many points in my life. You won't ever get a positive outcome from dwelling on it.
 
user4639281
You prove that you're smarter than you look by doing it.It's really easy talk good and know nothing, it's a lot harder to know a lot and not be able to communicate that fact easily.
 
user4639281
3:22 AM
Not that I'm trying to belittle you at all. I truly believe in you and respect you. I think (with my very limited actual knowledge on the matter) that you are the only thing holding yourself back from being something great.
 
user4639281
Anyways gtg. Talk to you tomorrow.
 
9:40 AM
@rene "spam less" command?
 
@Cerbrus true positive, blacklist user, keep quiet
 
Basically telling the bot he was right, then :-)
 
Yep, and the user goes on the blacklist. You can also just tp
 
Nice
 
room topic changed to SO Close Vote Reviewers: This room is for the weekly close events, discussion(s) about reviewing, and coordination of cleanup efforts site wide. Please visit our FAQ: github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/SCVR-RoomInformation [for] [shog9] [wait] [we]
Hmmm, tag ordering is less optimal...
 
9:50 AM
Call it poetic ;-)
 
@gunr2171 @durron597 I removed the tags from the room description for now. The ones we were working on are here
 
 
2 hours later…
11:42 AM
@misterManSam wow, that one is multiple choice. has 4 different close votes cast on it. what to choose...
 
@cimmanon - we need an "all of the above"
 
Good morning
 
12:00 PM
morning...
 
12:23 PM
^ I'd vote myself, but I did so the first time it was closed. Then...
 
12:40 PM
Well somehow I was able to get twice as many silver badges than gold and twice as many bronze than silver
NathanOliver, Chicago Land Area
10.7k 10 20 40
 
@rene lolwat?
put a hyphen at the start of "we"?
 
@ArtjomB. needs on more
 
room topic changed to SO Close Vote Reviewers: This room is for the weekly close events, discussion(s) about reviewing, and coordination of cleanup efforts site wide. Please visit our FAQ: github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/SCVR-RoomInformation [we-wait-for-shog9]
@gunr2171 fixed ...
 
ah, better
so why are we waiting for him?
and I thought it was going to be "for shog9 - we wait"
 
@gunr2171 to get clearance about any of the pending burninate requests following his latest guidance
 
12:51 PM
ah, ok
 
I got so much rep on SU yesterday and today that I now have access to the review queues.....
 
@rene want us to send search and rescue if you don't make it out?
 
yes, please do...
 
@rene What about ? Or is SHog9 the only one who's going to take care of this?
 
@Kyll sure, but I still want this room to have a little bit of fun ... we shouldn't take all of this very serious...
 
With enough suggestions I carousel the tags in the next days....
 
@PaulRoub Meh. Meta-affect will wear off eventually, when the maddening crowd gets over moral indignation and returns to apathy.
@cimmanon Door 2! Door 2!
 
@Mogsdad Yep. Point being I'm just not allowed to re-vote to re-close -- which was news to me, but obvious in hindsight.
 
@PaulRoub boom
 
@Kyll Thanks.
 
@Mogsdad page not found
 
new nav link
 
@NathanOliver No way. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/new?show=all&sort=newest&tags=macbook%20macb‌​ookpro%20or&mode=any&pageSize=50
 
I do not have the new nav
 
Cursed A/B testing!
 
1:16 PM
I have now checked the check box so we shall see when I get it.
 
That solves a mystery for me, though... I got comments on a meta post complaining that links didn't work. I'll go update them.
 
now I see the
 
The most we will be able to give you is a "yes" or "no". Only the developers can answer the why, or give you an estimate on Mac compatibility. — gunr2171 15 secs ago
 
Send this to SU or SF?
 
1:26 PM
@Kyll su
 
Hey @Mogsdad, I'm trying to use your editor script, I'm getting this error:
Syntax error @ 'Stack-Exchange-Editor-Toolkit'!
##########################
JSHINT output:
script: (W033) Missing semicolon on line: 64 at character: 23
script: (W032) Unnecessary semicolon on line: 64 at character: 24
script: (W033) Missing semicolon on line: 823 at character: 6
script: (W116) Expected '(end)' and instead saw '}' on line: 837 at character: 1
##########################

SyntaxError: Missing catch or finally after try
    at Function (native)
    at e (<anonymous>:40:49)
    at eval (eval at <anonymous> (unknown source), <anonymous>:1:25)
let me get the version I'm using...
(1.5.2.8)
 
@cimmanon I went for "debug help" since OP talks about an error without disclosing it
 
(cc @TinyGiant on above error)
 
Just add the semi-colon and continue....
 
Is this too broad or unclear?
Same questions for this with "general computing" as another option
 
1:31 PM
@Kyll too broad/tool rec maybe
 
(This guy typed JS in his document editor, seriously...)
@rene OP said in a comment he didn't want that, so let's go for too broad to suit him
 
@Kyll unclear
 
been on for an hour and a half and already 135 rep. It's going to be a good day
 
2:03 PM
@gunr2171 That's an abandoned branch, since I've been collaborating with @TinyGiant. This is our latest stable version.
 
crap, I was hoping that wasn't the case...
oh well
 
This is what i've been dealing with instead of closing bad questions
 
2:28 PM
@rene The new burnination rules don't affect targeting tags for events and what not
We could still put the results of Closey next 5 tags in the topic list or w/e
 
@durron597 sure
 
user4639281
How is everyone this morning?
 
good. you?
 
@TinyGiant Well, I'm dealing with documentation like that image above. I leave my mood to your imagination
 
user4639281
Not bad.
 
user4639281
2:30 PM
@durron597 that sucks.
 
I'm good, except I went through the effort of making a pull request for an abandoned project!
 
user4639281
lol
 
good news is I fixed the bug
bad news it doesn't matter
 
user4639281
lol
 
oh well
but i got to try out your editor script, very nice
 
user4639281
2:31 PM
Thanks.
 
user4639281
It's not done yet, but getting there.
 
user4639281
@mogsdad, I've realized that the replace pipemod should be done in reverse order of the omit pipemod.
 
0
A: Adding a Small Note to Posts That I Favorite

BoltClockI use Microsoft Edge and OneNote for this, but then again, I may be a teeny weeny bit biased.

WAIT, SOMEONE ACTUALLY USES EDGE?
 
user4639281
Must work for Microsoft
 
Do you get to decide on chat flags once you have 10K? I just had a little blue number pop up asking me if a post was okay
 
2:34 PM
@NathanOliver :(
 
@NathanOliver yep
 
user4639281
Yeah the chat flagging is kind of... useless.
 
interesting. someone flagged an ASCII art post as spam offensive
 
10
Q: Why can I see spam/offensive chat flags?

Ashley NunnI have 8k on Gaming, and was sitting in The Bridge when I suddenly saw a blue chat notification. It was different from the usual yellow "Someone is replying to you" notification, so I clicked on it. To my surprise, it was a spam/offensive flag for something on Ask Ubuntu. I was under the impres...

They probably were spamming the room
 
I always click valid unless from the Lounge, then I click invalid...
 
2:35 PM
It's so annoying
 
user4639281
@gunr2171 BoltClock keeps editing the post trying to get rid of that mysterious downvote /innocent
 
In most cases (unless it's blatant profanity) you never have enough context
what do they expect us to do
 
yeah, I wonder who did downvote, it's not wrong
 
user4639281
@gunr2171 Downvotes on meta mean something different.
 
it's not something you can really disagree with
 
2:36 PM
We have this room that down votes all the things...
 
@rene NOT ANYMORE
 
user4639281
lol
 
brb rebooting
 
user4639281
@gunr2171 Maybe that user disagrees with a moderator advertising a Microsoft product.
 
2:37 PM
@NathanOliver You should change your display name based on what this guy has done
 
@durron597 that's cool. thank god for unicode
 
user4639281
god didnt invent unicode...
 
@TylerH was that your line?
 
@rene no, but I knew someone would make it
 
@TinyGiant thank Joe Becker for unicode :P
 
user4639281
2:42 PM
There ya go
 
@TylerH you can count on me ...
 
don't start singing Bruno Mars songs now
 
/me clears throat ...
 
2:57 PM
@cimmanon Nice answer. Resisting the urge to correct "TLDR;" to "TL;DR".
 
@PaulRoub :p
 
while you're at it fix the indentation :-P
 
@TylerH whats wrong with the indentation?
 
two spaces instead of four!
 
@TylerH blame sassmeister
 
3:00 PM
it's... just not right
 
i have heard that 2 spaces is the standard in Ruby? so sass outputs with 2 spaces as indentation (and youll get it when you use sass-convert as well)
 
@durron597 In my draft answer on that question I had the word Kinder Garten....
 
@rene ha
 
Morning all. Lot of folks yelling today in their late "answers".
 
I'll share here what I shared in the other chatroom... imgur.com/gallery/hZgPk epic comic series, probably NSFW language, but great art and story telling
 
3:07 PM
@josilber I had 14 really old pending flags and some of them got declined... i stopped trolling /tools/new-answers for a few days and now i've got the recent flags declined warning grrr
 
@durron597 Huh that is annoying. Did the really old pending flags get timed out?
 
@josilber dude, i don't know, they're mostly buried like 20 pages back or so
 
Well, bluefeet mentioned some filtering on the horizon for the flag history page, so maybe we'll be able to answer such questions soon enough :)
 
@durron597 So they're from early yesterday?
 
@PaulRoub ha!
Okay, it took me 2 minutes to find 10 things to flag, I'm really busy at the office this week so hopefully those 10 flags will make the warning go away
 
3:15 PM
@SmokeDetector why?
 
@NathanOliver Body - Position 473-478: nutra
 
^ Also crappy edit suggestion
 
@TinyGiant I had looked at that, but didn't see a compelling reason to change it.
 
@SmokeDetector why?
 
@NathanOliver Body - Position 240-247: adf.ly/
 
3:16 PM
@Kyll eh, it fixes lots of issues, but the question is still crappy
 
@TylerH Crappy before, crappy after: No improvement
 
@Kyll that's not true
but republicans in congress would love that reasoning
 
Plus bringing an old off-topic question to the front lines
 
but it is an edit to an old question, yes
 
Is there a meta post about such edits?
 
3:18 PM
old edits?
probably
 
By which I mean: Edits on obviously off-topic questions which do not fix a very large amount of issues
 
@Kyll Even if so, the Venn Diagram of "people who read meta posts" and "people who make random edits to old off-topic questions" would be two circles on separate whiteboards.
 
I don't know if there's a single Q&A dedicated to it, but the gist has been covered before
 
@PaulRoub In two separate dimensions? =p
 
you can probably find it by searching for "don't polish turds"
 
3:20 PM
I rejected it because, while it did fix the structure of the post, it wasn't worth the cost of bringing an old, off-topic question back to the front page
 
@cimmanon Right! I already read something like that
What do you thing about this question, its answer, the question edit, and the comment of OP on the answer?
I would rollback since the edit invalidates the answer, but the answer should have been a comment
 
@Kyll um is that the right link?
 
Hey guys
 
@TylerH Yes?
 
oh you meant the question edit
 
3:23 PM
Any issue?
Plop @Tunaki
 
I found a really nice tag:
 
@TylerH Yesh
 
I think it should be BURNED
what do you think?
27 questions, is it worth a meta post?
 
@Kyll I don't know enough about Meteor/JS to say for sure, but I think an asker should have the prerogative to edit their question as necessary
However...
 
@Tunaki Shog said no meta post needed if a user could take care of it in a few minutes... How fast can you type?
 
3:26 PM
in the event that it invalidates existing answers, there's some precedent I believe for rolling back, because answers to questions (especially accepted answers) constitute a new, joint work, and questions are not really owned by individual users on SO
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Well basically if one group is matched which includes a group previously matched, it will be missed when replacing again.
 
@Kyll In this case, I think it's so minor that it's not worth acting on, especially since the question edit seems to be in response to the answer
 
@TylerH Agreed
 
as far as the answer itself goes, I agree it should've been a comment
since it's asking for clarification in a roundabout way
 
user4639281
@Tunaki If I had enough time right now I would just burn it myself.
 
3:28 PM
@Mogsdad If no-one has any objections here, I'm burninating it.
 
@Tunaki I'm supportive of that.
 
lgtm
 
user4639281
Except of course wcf has an ArrayOfString.
 
user4639281
 
@TinyGiant Remove the tag? can exist in any language
 
user4639281
3:34 PM
hmmmm....
 
(Anyone has a word for "Creating a new entry not because it should be usable but because I need it to exist before using it"?)
(Shallow? Initializing?)
 
@Kyll initializing sounds good. depending on what it is, template or stub might be appropriate
 
user4639281
You need it to exist for duck typing? fake duck?
 
@TinyGiant For fake duck yes
Kind of.
 
user4639281
Then just call it a fake duck.
 
3:40 PM
 
user4639281
There is some duck typing done right.
 
user4639281
Or Mock duck so you can get in good with the vegetarians.
 
I placed random occurrences of "duck", "shallow", and "uninitialized" in the code and the doc. Good enough.
@TinyGiant Is || short-circuiting in JS? Testing
 
> The && and || operators are called short-circuit operators. They will return the value of the second operand based on the value of the first operand.
 
My test says the same. Yay
 
user4639281
3:47 PM
@Kyll wut?
 
user4639281
oh yeah
 
user4639281
true || false // true
true && false // false
false || true // true
false && true // false
 
user4639281
I use that all the time to confuse people.
 
true && false //NaN
that sounds more like what javascript would do
 
user4639281
lol
 
user4639281
3:50 PM
No, that's Python
 
@gunr2171 Reference?
^ One of the most hilarious video out there
 
yes, in fact I will now watch that again
 
Oh gawd PHP
 
user4639281
3:54 PM
> PHP is a hose, you usually plug one end into a car exhaust, and the other you stick in through a window and then you sit in the car and turn the engine on.
 
user4639281
perfect
 
> Haskell is like a hipster version of LISP.
 
user4639281
> Lisp is a shiv which comes in many forms. Anyone who uses this is probably crazy and dangerous.
 
both of those list are great
 
user4639281
But neither of those take into account ECMAScript outside of a browser environment.
 
user4639281
3:57 PM
Also, I'm fairly certain that the biggest problem with JavaScript is the userbase.
 
let's see, what other ones are there of this type?
 
@TinyGiant Uh? I'm absolutely sure the biggest problem of every single major language is the user base
@gunr2171 Aw, got any better quality?
 
yay thanks
 
oh, and what looks to be the motherload: lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3133
 
4:01 PM
The one thing he omits from WAT that I want to remind people of:
[] + {}
"[object Object]"
{} + []
0
[] + {} === {} + []
true
 
@TylerH needs to read this one
 
@durron597 Yes but {} + [] === [] + {} is false
 
@Kyll How is that a "but"? You're making my point
 
Well, the first-hand of the test is actually "empty bloc of expressions - unary operator - empty array"
{} + []
0
var t = {} + [] //Make it an expression
"[object Object]"
Wait
I think I've read this on SO
581
Q: What is the explanation for these bizarre JavaScript behaviours mentioned in the 'Wat' talk for CodeMash 2012?

SLCThe 'Wat' talk for CodeMash 2012 basically points out a few bizarre quirks with Ruby and JavaScript. I have made a JSFiddle of the results at http://jsfiddle.net/fe479/9/. The behaviours specific to JavaScript (as I don't know Ruby) are listed below. I found in the JSFiddle that some of my res...

 
uh, "wat" doesn't load for me, it looks like the site the video is on has been shut down: sublimevideo.net
 
4:08 PM
@gunr2171 You can download it
 
oh yeah
 
@gunr2171 Instructions unclear, ended up single
 
:D
 
user4639281
[] + true + [] === "true"
 
user4639281
but that is because of .toString();
 
user4639281
4:19 PM
function hello(){} + [] === 0
 
user4639281
I love a language that doesn't fail when you do something stupid, it provides you with a response that is just as stupid.
 
user4639281
And in ES6.... drumroll please....
 
user4639281
()=>{} + [] === "()=>{}"
 
Try this in JS:
[] == true
![] == true
 
user4639281
both false...
 
4:24 PM
We have a winner
 
user4639281
!![]
 
user4639281
!![] == true
 
user4639281
!![] == !!{}
 
user4639281
false + true === 1
 
++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[+‌​+[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[++[+[]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]]‌​[+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[‌​]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]]‌​[+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]][+[]]
^ valid code
 
user4639281
4:27 PM
> Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token ILLEGAL
 
waaait...
 
user4639281
console.log(++); // Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token }
 
@TinyGiant I get )
 
8
A: Obfuscated Hello World

FireFlyJavaScript, 366 chars After seeing Joel Berger's Perl solution, I felt compelled to do some ASCII art prettiness myself... JavaScript, uses no alphanumerics, and contrary to JSFuck output it's actually reasonably sized. $$ =-~- ~[];$_ ...

 
has this room turned into code golf?
 
user4639281
4:32 PM
String.fromCharCode([[+!![]]+[+[]]+[+!![]]])
 
@TylerH More like :P
WTH is SO doing with my cancer-code?
Copy this. Paste into chat. Copy chat message. Compare to original.
oh fuuu
WTH is \xE2\x80\x8B
Ok, so \xE2\x80\x8B = \u200B = "Zero width space"
but why?
 
5:09 PM
"You definitely have too many thunks allocated" -- Haskell answers sound like sci fi novels sometimes (cf stackoverflow.com/a/32889184/3093387)
 
user4639281
lol
 
user4639281
You've been thunking to hard.
 
whoever thunk up that was high
 
you needed to thunk between win16 and win32 if I recall that correctly
maybe even for win32s
 
user4639281
@mogsdad, I just realized that you can also do if(a in {1:1,2:1,3:1}) (from that conversation last night)
 
5:16 PM
@TinyGiant You gotta get out more.
 
user4639281
I refuse.
 
user4639281
It's less typing than indexOf !== -1
 
user4639281
Oh you can also do if(a in [1,2,3])
 
user4639281
I thought it only worked with objects for a minute
 
@PaulRoub pr0blam solved...
 
user4639281
 
user4639281
5:55 PM
Can u edit this so it is less txt-spk? — rene 3 hours ago
 
user4639281
That answer is pretty funny.
 
"flexibility point of view" seems broad and subject to heavy interpretation
 

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