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06:58
well ... when it comes to design , you are a bit colorblind , @rlemon =P
 
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14:24
@tereško ahaha, if you read up up up you will see this was based on a question - I was just grabbing similar colours to the OP example
 
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17:12
anybody online?
That depends on what you want ;-)
haha. ok. na just normal question. i read css. ok question is as u suggested i should not use position:absolute; if i have a box n one more box inside that box. can i make outer box reletive and inner box absolute? just wanna know is this good practice n ok?
or i should not use absolute anywhere?
@mann If you can help it at all, don't use absolute. But if you can think of no other way to do it, then it's fine.
okie. coz just wondering sometimes using position reletive and other time using position absolute. ok thats fine. thanks:-)
 
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18:23
@mann , position absolute usually is used in combination with relative parent
the common case are a "sticky footer" for full height sites , javascript popups , dropdown menus .. and so on
a lot of cases , but they are quire specific
position: absolute is not used for creating the basic page layout
@mann has been asking (outright) for Ryan to write his CSS for him for a few days now
lol
kinda pathetic
18:40
@rlemon @tereško who the hell u people are saying pathetic to me? if im asking ryan then whats your problem? I cant understand why dont u create ur own website n do whatever u want to do there? Stackoverflow is not ur personal property. i can ask anybody anything. Mind ur words before saying anything to me again.
or what ?
@tereško or i will give reply in same language as u will use
that would be rather nice , especially if you stopped using "u" and "n" and "ur"
ok leave it. but please use proper words and if you are master in something thats very good and if somebody wants to learn from somebody then you should not discourge him/her
i am iPhone developer. you cant make even simple app in ios i bet. this does not mean i am superior then you. same as if you know php better this does not mean you will insult others who dont know it properly.
this is not about what you know or do not know , @mann , but about how you acquire the new knowledge
i recently begun learning erlang .. for me it means that i have not written a single line of code , but am still reading a book about it and exploring additional concepts of functional programming in javascript
18:58
@tereško yes i agree with you. but you dont know the situation of other person, you dont know how quickly he needs to learn everything, how much time someone has to complete certain task. you dont know how important that one line of code can be for someone to complete in certain time.
But i know you spend your most of time here on stackoverflow n really help other people including me. But i have just proplem with words you used.
19:50
@mann lots of people have problems with the words @tereško uses, but that doesn't make the point any less valid. mann, I have seen you on multiple occasions ask questions like here
These are not in fact questions, they are demands.
you are asking another developer to do your work for free on his own time
which is fine, however you must expect some harsh responses from the community of developers who puts forth the leg work and learns the tools of his/her craft.
if Ryan is nice enough to support you in this effort then you are lucky. The rest of us are surfing the QandA boards, posting on chats small snippets and asking for help with them or picking up a book.
How do you think your boss will feel about paying you for a project on which you got other people to write your code
please don't assume i'm sayng you are doing this all of the time, however in this case you are
20:17
I'm here to hand out fishing poles, not fish.
20:34
ok people lets stop torturing me more. lol.
20:51
Who's torturing? I'm suggesting that you learn something and ask specific questions
na im joking
this guy wouldn't last 10 minutes on freenode
21:29
I'm trying to be nice and suggest better ways for you to get results from resources like this community. Most other communities (which are contributed too by hard working individuals) will have problems with the way you are/were asking for help.
StackOverflow was built off "What is wrong with how i'm doing this / Can you suggest better resources to help me understand this" and not "Please do this for me / Can you provide me with a cut-and-paste solution"
Keep coming back to the site and I promise you will learn tonnes that will further progress your career.. but only if you actually take the time to learn what the person is telling you..

Suggestions on how to get a problem solved on SO:
yah got ur point mate. ok forget about harsh words used by both sides.
1) Figure out EXACTLY (or as best as you can) where your problem lies... no one wants to sift through 200 lines of code they didn't write to find a type error

2) Search the crap outta SO.. "2,280,091 questions"... chances are someone else has come a crossed your issue. If you are having trouble with terminology hop on the chat and ask.
ya i will. thanks
3) Use pastebin or jsfiddle to show your questions... I know i have suggested this too you already. Just helps overall
ya sure
21:36
If you do these things.. and are on the site for a good time to come you will understand why people were abrasive to your original approach.
Also read the FAQ... not because you're breaking rules or anything.. it gives good hints on buzzwords to avoid.
i've had questions closed because I said "Thanks guys! -rlemon" at the bottom
yah sure will do
small learning curve for etiquette when using any sites on the StackExchange.. but by far the best resource i've ever found.
Thanks mate appreciate your concern n suggestions
i will try to be more sensible in discussing my problems.
@Andreas Whats the gist, physicist??
21:45
huh?
@Andreas lol Quote from Big Bang Theory
 
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23:13
Is it possible to determine the height of a window in pure CSS? I need to put four buttons on a page, taking up the entire page height without going over.
The best you can do is height: 100%, which also has to be applied to body or html
In a containing div or something?
Well, your buttons will have to have a percentage height as well.
Right, I tried making them each height: 25%; but that did nothing.
And that's because the height of the containing block isn't defined.
If you use body { height: 100%; } then that should be defined
23:22
It doesn't seem to have made any difference.
Hmmm. Apparently it should be html { height: 100%; }
My bad :-)
That feels semantically wrong, but I'll give it a shot.
Agreed. Use both, though. html, body { height: 100%; }
It added a scrollbar, but my buttons are still small.
Percentage heights are a little strange.
23:25
Indeed.
The trick is getting the containing block to the height you want.
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A: why does 100% not mean 100% height?

Ryan KinalThe issue is covered in the CSS 2.1 spec: <percentage> Specifies a percentage height. The percentage is calculated with respect to the height of the generated box's containing block. If the height of the containing block is not specified explicitly (i.e., it depends on conten...

Hm, works now. I think the problem was that I had left a stray style="" in a debug location, and it was actually overriding the earlier height somehow. ...now that I write that down, that doesn't seem right.
Hehe, that's a little odd.
@RyanKinal hello. ok i got concept of relative positioning, floating. now i was just wondering for main page design in html we have to rely on relative positioning and float left , right? if not rely, is it good practice to use them
@mann Usually, I just use floats.
23:30
oh cool. So you can design whole page using float:left,right only?
That's a pretty broad question... are you trying to do something in particular, @mann?
He's just learning :-)
@LordTorgamus na mate just learing webpage designing. everybody suggested me not to use position:absolute
Yeah, absolute doesn't play nice with scaling.
23:32
though i made webpage using position:absolute. so the alternative is position:relative.. which im learining now
to use position:relative, i have to use floats
@mann In most cases, don't even bother with position. There are a few specific cases to use position, but most times, you don't have to specify it
so just cleared some concepts about it but wanted to make sure from @RyanKinal im going in good direction
@RyanKinal ok.
The default is static, which is what you want most of the time anyway
@RyanKinal really? so we should static use positioning? instead of relative?
Wow, @LordTorgamus, that's some pretty detailed info :-)
@mann Yep. Most of the time. Like I said, there are some cases in which the other values are useful, but most of the time, stick with the default.
cool. thanks mate
@RyanKinal will static positioning be good for mobile devices as well?
website to view in mobile devices?
@mann Most likely
ok
23:37
In fact, it will save you a few bytes of transfer data ;-)
ya
Ryan, will a static positioned element treat absolute positioned children the same as relative?
I would check but I'm on my tablet :)
@rlemon If I understand you correctly, then no. A static element won't define a containing block (new coordinate system) for absolute children.
Is that what you meant?
Yes. Cool
Typing on this thing sucks.
Unless otherwise specified, everything is position: static
You're tableting wrong ;-)
23:47
Ahhhh, ok that gives me a better understanding. So you would only ever need to set it to override a previous position rule?
Vegan tab keyboard is split up all fucked.
Yeah, pretty much
I'm trying to think of other cases, but I'm not coming up with any.
Huh. That is a little odd.
I know.
The launcher only offers one.

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