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6:00 AM
I know my lifetime is a blip on this radar. Any address or institution is only as good as their future-proofing. If I were a member of a monastery, I would go out and make those sand sculptures washed away by tides as a mental exercise. :-)
(Pro tip: You don't have to join a monastery to make sand sculpture.)
 
Don't get me wrong, Office has its faults too, mostly due to it being a huge codebase that noone fully understands, supported by people who learned their customers' languages later in life.
@HostileFork, do you still have contacts at MS? I found a bug in Excel at my old job that broke basic formula evaluation unpredictably, and the only time it was reported before was over a decade ago, and both the support guy and customer didn't understand the problem, and fixed it by accident in a way that doesn't predictably work. Do I need to get Office 2013 just to see if the bug is still there?
 
@BrianH I've been gone for well over a decade... I don't think anyone I know could do any better, and the most senior Excel person I knew isn't there any more. Still I'm surprised you wouldn't get closure on an issue if you have a verifiable bug if you can prove it.
 
The only time it was reported, neither the support guy nor the customer spoke English as their first language, but they weren't from the same part of the world so English was what they had, and they just didn't have the patience to work through this. So the problem went unsolved, even though it was there in Excel 2000 at least.
 
I can ask the author of this book if you like: Thinking Spreadsheet. Ex-MS also.
He could at least give another opinion and I think his contacts are more recent if there was need to get closure
 
@HostileFork I couldn't get it to trigger consistently. With a complex enough formula that has an IF function in it near the top level, function evaluation would just fail when it got to the IF, even to the point where it didn't recognize changes in referenced formulas, so recalculation failed too. And it didn't happen all the time, but once it started you had to edit the function to make it stop.
 
6:13 AM
@BrianH Couldn't even get a solid repro in a VM with a snapshot?
"Snap, bug, repro. Here's my VirtualBox. Figure it out."
 
And the same formula would work in the same sheet the previous day, or after a couple edits, or on another computer. It was maddening. I can't replicate it now though, since I don't work there, the sheets were likely proprietary or secret, and I couldn't get it to happen on my own computers or otherwise reproduceably. But I could probably talk to a developer and give enough anecdotal evidence for them to figure it out.
Funny thing is that it was probably a formula evaluator JIT bug.
 
@BrianH "I could probably talk to a developer and give enough anecdotal evidence for them to figure it out." Well therein lies your problem. :-) Busy people need a repro case that just works 100% of the time, because especially for esoteric bugs, there's always something a client with 100+ licenses is complaining about and can repro
 
@HostileFork yup. That's why I was saying that the problem is that the codebase is too large and noone understands it fully. I remember when Excel 5 came out, and it was great. COM was pretty much invented to implement Excel 5. But still, Excel 5 was a crappy example of a COM app, and it's the example everyone followed. It set component-based software back a decade.
(I know, they still called it OLE2 back then)
 
@BrianH I worked with the inventors of COM for a bit, they had a new idea for the "next big thing" to correct the errors. I disagreed with them on their idea of corrections.
 
@HostileFork the corrections they made for WinRT sound like they're heading in the right direction.
Short of a complete rethink, of course.
Gotta go, gotta catch a train before they shut down. Seriously, public transit trains that don't run 24/7. I don't get it.
 
6:25 AM
TTYS, don't miss your bart...
 
6:52 AM
@ingo I changed your code to a function for r3 but I think the csv is not right? I need to check the csv format required ...
 
7:09 AM
@GrahamChiu Yes, I had a bad feeling not using a function, and thought I should start _always_ implementing for the future.
After all, quick fixes are the longest running projects.
I tested it with rebol2 and asciidoc 8.6.6 and it worked for me.
 
Ok I just checked with an online asciidoc -> pdf tool. better to try the real thing I guess!
 
@BrianH - isn't Windows Blue (8.1) mostly a cosmetic fix? I am interested to know, why you think MS fixed WinRT?
 
I added a comment to show sample output and it all looks good. going to fire up my vm now to try ...
 
7:25 AM
I read you'd uninstalled pandoc and were using asciidoc, so that's what I installed.
Can try to install pandoc to see how it works there.
Using csv just looked the easiest to me.
 
Perhaps the [ format="csv" ] needs options?
 
Not that I know of. Just looking it up again.
 
Get all these errors
$ asciidoc -b html5 n.ascii
asciidoc: WARNING: n.ascii: line 3: section title out of sequence: expected leve
l 1, got level 2
asciidoc: WARNING: n.ascii: line 23: table row 6: empty spanned row
asciidoc: WARNING: n.ascii: line 23: table row 7: empty spanned row
asciidoc: WARNING: n.ascii: line 23: table row 8: empty spanned row
asciidoc: WARNING: n.ascii: line 23: table row 11: empty spanned row
asciidoc: WARNING: n.ascii: line 23: table row 5: does not span all columns
 
7:41 AM
which file are you parsing?
 
the ascii file .. using asciidoc
It's looking better using | delimited instead of CSV now
Just need to get rid of a leading extraneous space on each line :(
 
I meant, which file you're feeding into rebol.
Thinking about it, there may be some places where white space handling should be improved.
 
the same file as used in your code
 
I guess I should try it on r3 then.
 
I update it to use | instead and just need to find where it is creating a leading space
I just posted the output as a comment to show this
 
8:25 AM
@ingo, I have fixed it by checking for a space ( #{20} ) just not sure where it is coming from.
 
9:19 AM
Great, maybe it's a difference in whitespace handling between Rebol2 / Rebol3? Could be that the rule for "normal" text caught it and printed it.
So far I have not had the time to check in Rebol3
 
9:43 AM
I install the new http protocol and the visitors stop coming!
 
10:41 AM
@Brett, didn't you have a GUI tool for watching a parse rule in action? Considering an upgrade for R3 ?
 
@graham adding a newline before |========= in the table rule helps somewhat, but the table at the bottom is still not nice.
Sorry, there's a day job calling, and I'm connected via temaviewer on a windows PC, which is connected via xpra to my linux box. That's slowing me down a little.
 
 
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12:05 PM
@GrahamChiu Yes, parse-analysis-view rebol.org/view-script.r?script=parse-analysis-view.r ,it allows you to step through the input as matched by individual rules, though it is not real time, it does a sort of log and plays that back. I don't think it would handle input being manipulated. I have started changing those tools for R3, but the new Return keyword means I have to be able to parse the R3 parse dialect (in progress)...
 
make error! [
code: 513
type: 'Access
id: 'Protocol
arg1: "Server closed connection"
arg2: none
arg3: none
near: none
where: none
]
@M.BKakadiya Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ.
 
12:59 PM
Just struck a Wait bug I suspect. I had a timeout first in wait list, which wasn't working, when I put it last in wait list. Things worked ...
 
 
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2:02 PM
make error! [
code: 513
type: 'Access
id: 'Protocol
arg1: "Server closed connection"
arg2: none
arg3: none
near: none
where: none
]
@Lucky Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ.
 
2:43 PM
@GrahamChiu @Adrian @johnk As I'm sure you've noticed the bot is now posting an error every time a new user joins...that's going to get annoying if it doesn't get fixed!
@liumengjiang Welcome! Good to have someone coming by as a new Stack user who knows what Rebol is already!
@liumengjiang I've upvoted one of your Rebol answers to get you to chattable status, although do use care to make sure that new answers add information to what has already been said. You should be able to chat after a reputation delay, in the meantime you can set your avatar and look over our FAQ.
 
Damned WAIT :/
 
3:04 PM
Heya @draegtun
 
@HostileFork Hi there fork... been a couple of weeks... holidays and such :)
While I haven't popped into here I have been keeping up-to-date regularly with transcripts here... lots been going on! See that Carl even popped in :)
 
Yup, that was sort of the big event. And overall favorable, he seemed to like StackOverflow's system and be ready to hand things over for the most part. Question of who that will be handed over to, which we have to figure out.
 
yes it all sounded very positive
 
Would be nice to be able to have a "benevolent dictator for life" situation, but he has kind of transitioned out of the mindset of wanting to have that kind of involvement. Which is okay.
 
yes I don't know the full history of things but it would be good if he can keep some sort of foot in the future of Rebol
even if its just as a figurehead role
 
3:09 PM
I said we'd have a discussion on whether we split this room up or not, and the event is coming up momentarily. It might just be a few of us. We'd started having more traffic right around Carl coming, and people were complaining that it's too noisy. I'd started to feel we want a split off of the dev chat and the watercooler chat and various 1 rep users stopping by.
 
If you do get around to setting up some kind of Rebol Foundation then perhaps he should be Honarary President (or something like that).
 
I don't want us to do anything original, I just want us to copy something that exists or get under an umbrella that's already out there somewhere. Along the lines of becoming an Apache Foundation project.
 
@HostileFork makes sense
You should look at some of the other opensource languages, like Perl (The Perl Foundation), Python (Python Foundation) & Ruby (Ruby ?)
 
yep... everyone likes their own spin on things
 
3:13 PM
I wonder if there are post-mortem analyses that people have after having gone with it for a while and wishing they did things differently. Need to put some of that together.
 
but it is a good idea (to have a body to manage everything from conferences, websites, marketing, etc)
 
Only got a little time before Montreal and I have to move and sell everything, AND I'm having to write C code in one window and tab back and forth for this chat. :-/ Sigh.
 
Don't envy you (ie. writing C code) :)
I'm terrible at multi-tasking.... I've just popped in here with cup of tea... once finished I'll pop off and do some work :)
 
@draegtun Not just C code, but ANSI C code, on Windows, interacting between kernel mode and user mode. But one learns something every time one does something like that, especially about how much has changed.
Anyway hey @BenjaminGruenbaum ... I guess it's just a few of us who are around for the scheduled discussion of the chat split. But @Adrian and @Rebolek seem to be here. What's the decision, is it time yet? Are things really too "noisy" or are the people complaining not even going to be happy after the split?
 
I think this chat is probably one of the most constructive places around here. I don't think you need a split. I think that Rebol as a language and a community needs to get more uniform. No need splitting even more stuff.
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3:23 PM
I don't think split is needed (yet).
Maybe later this room can became too noisy, but now the split doesn't make much sense.
 
You don't get many trolling/noobies bothering you here anyway, do you?
 
What I've been hoping to do, if someone could provide the hosting, is to try adding Discourse as a parallel venue for a more structured discussion environment.
 
Build a discussion board in Rebol :)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Don't encourage them!
 
Discourse is already there.
 
3:27 PM
@Adrian What were those turnkey discourse people charging to run it for you. Could be at discourse.rebol.org ? The thing I worry about is that we do have some dead-ish forums around and Google Groups/etc.
 
You need more tutorials, a readable specification and a practical and easy use case.
 
There is also more discussion we could be having in Trello
My goal was always that this was just "hey how are you doing, what's up" watercooler chat. In that respect, a split doesn't make a lot of sense. It may be indicative that as @Adrian says that we do need to be picking up another non-chatlike-venue. The Q&A is that for some purposes, an issue tracker is another, Trello is one of those, discourse is another.
 
Really, for ephemeral, fast talk, this place is good. We just need more structure for slower paced, focused discussion so that we can more easily refer to things that were said.
 
ECMAScript (the spec of JavaScript) does this in a wiki environment
Language features get posted, tested and evaluated there a lot of the time.
 
@HostileFork Bitnami runs their stuff on Amazon from what I gather - you still have to pay hosting there.
 
In Perl its primarily done on the p5p (Perl 5 Porting) mailing list. However I believe there is also a perl-dev IRC channel
 
In Perl6 its also same however main activity is in their Perl6 IRC channel
 
I mean wiki not as a language reference, but as a place for new proposals and such.
Not to replace water-cooler discussion, but for language advancement
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum So far I've been liking what you can do with Trello. Seen it? Have an opinion? We aren't necessarily in a pattern of using it, but that isn't to say it isn't a good tool.
 
3:34 PM
Actually no, I haven't heard of it before.
I wouldn't use anything that isn't self-hosted though
 
BTW... Perl6 IRC is probably similar in size/usage to Rebol chat here. They also have it mixed watercooler and dev talk. So looks like they haven't reached a critical mass to split their IRC into dev & user talk yet.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Well it is worth your time to check out. I'm sure there will be self-hosted variants, though this is another Joel-Spolsky-led project as per StackOverflow. And he said that he was confident that there would be no enterprise edition of Trello you'd run on your own servers...that wasn't their model. You could get your data out and their revenue plan was to add features, not ever take away an existing free feature you'd already gotten hooked on.
 
I don't think a room split is needed or warranted at this time. Activity has been up a bit over the last few days, but I think it's not yet enough to sustain two rooms.
 
Well, my motivation to bring it up was new StackOverflow users coming from the Rebol community complaining about the noise. But what I think what we have consensus on here is that we should continue to leverage other tools and non-chat locations to put information in the right place and leave this chat as is.
Perhaps with more than two or three of us using the starring feature. I see we have our first 8-starred post, so that's encouraging. :-) But if people could pick out interesting moments a little more often then the "what did I miss?" feeling could perhaps be mitigated even better.
I will continue to encourage everyone to get networked in other ways, such as Skype. Having voice, video, and screen sharing is better than having a private chat in a corner of an old program that is not being improved or maintained.
However, our handling of random chatter to each other here in a room that's quiet keeps us active. But maybe if we want to talk to each other when there's already talk going on then that's a cue to switch to private or group chat in another medium.
 
re: Skype - Or Google hangouts
Also I came across a Rebol community on Google+ recently
 
3:48 PM
@draegtun I've used hangouts once, right when it came out. It seemed cool. Probably is better now.
 
@HostileFork Haven't tried it myself so no comment. Just thought it maybe handy alongside the Rebol community on G+
 
I'm always worried about what horrible hacks are going on behind the scenes to make that stuff work in a browser. It's like when you try to write a web page that has a copy/paste feature and run into the security not permitting access to the clipboard...then you think "wait, how did that other site do it" and it says "step one, download this flash program, step two embed it in your page..."
 
Here's the Rebol community link on G+ - plus.google.com/communities/100845931109002755204
 
So... scientist that I am, I will point out that there is a bit of selection bias in this "don't split chat" decision. e.g. those who found it too annoying aren't going to be getting up on a Wednesday morning to come tell us why they don't like it.
 
I think it's more "don't split chat yet"
 
3:54 PM
But I say we don't split it, we look into Discourse, we maybe poke each other on Trello a little more often rather than asking in here "how is X coming", we flip into private chat more quickly when people known to be grumpy about chat are here and likely to feel interrupted.
 
BTW... I did some more Rebol advocacy recently, this time on HN (again) :)
quite like how that Scheme/Lisp code translated to Rebol
 
@draegtun Links always welcome. But of course, one has to have a fairly thick skin to be a Rebol advocate... it got a reputation as a "vanity project" and there's some damage to the name. I think it's still a salvageable brand worth working with. Especially with the new icon, of course :-P
@draegtun Rebol had the advantage of hindsight, so it will almost always look better!
 
@HostileFork Yes but only way to eat an elephant is a nimble at a time :)
So I like nibbling away and hopefully stirring some neurons on other peoples heads !
and also allows me to learn more Rebol when I do it... so that can't be a bad thing either
Anyway having a thick skin comes hand and hand with being a Perl programmer! Lot of rubbish as been written about Perl over the years so its like water of a ducks back most of the time :)
 
@draegtun Your help is appreciated! But heh, if you feel like doing some fun I think I already showed you REBmu... but those competitions can be fun. It's on my task list to go back and rewrite Rebmu because I knew so little idiomatic Rebol, hadn't even realized how powerful PARSE was. I laugh at the implementation today.
 
@HostileFork Yes did bump into REBmu just before I bumped into chat here :)
Currently I got my Rebol mind on two projects.... 1) The Google Code Prettifier & 2) Vim Rebol improvements
been a bit busy recently so been stop and start on GCP... however its nearly there so that I can send patch back to main repo
 
4:05 PM
@draegtun Well, those can't hurt... I still find myself using VI to do small things if I'm remoted in somewhere. Never got comfortable with emacs. But like the rest here, I've switched to Sublime Text. Resistance seems futile on that one, for now.
 
@HostileFork Never got into Emacs either. Was always big Vi(m) user (back in the day!). However did switch to (nearly exclusively to) TextMate circa 2006. However recently switched back to Vim
 
TextMate 3 kind of pulled a Rebol 3. Long time unfinished, then the author open sourced the incomplete version but not the stabler earlier version 2.
 
And I mean Vim and not MacVIM (which I initially switched to). Now just before to have Terminal (on Mac) open and use Vim.
I personally was never worried about TextMate 2 coming or not.
just found jumping from TextMate to Vim (when on Linux) a pain.
Initially got round this by using ExpanDrive (SSH mounter). But it was so slow when opening/updating files in Textmate over this :(
Vim is just much more nimble
Talking of links - I like your profile comment on HN :)
 
Sigh. YBother with pretentious YCombinator stuff.
There, now you can star it. :-)
 
Done!
 
4:13 PM
We are in a bit of a bind now because we have to determine how to define what it would mean for Rebol 3 to go beta, and then release. A list of criteria. @GrahamChiu started a Trello card for that.
 
Well there as to be somewhere to procrastinate :)
HN best of bunch (for tech stuff) - IMHO
I kinda of link the simplicity of HN. You'll be surprised what's under the hood though - paulgraham.com/arcchallenge.html
@HostileFork I've been using R3 exclusively lately (over R2). I like some of the new syntax changes and I like that it feels about twice as fast
However I have had it get stuck in a loop on more than one occasion :(
 
@draegtun Although I could be dismissive and say "you lost me at (defop said req" it does look like dialecting.
 
@HostileFork Yep... Arc is PG's Lisp for the future. Built into his a full web programming dialect
I do like Web frameworks that use continuations or cororoutines.
 
However, defop sounds like good advice for YCombinator and that crowd. :-P (I keed, I keed. have friends from it)
 
If you follow on of the links then it comes to the contest :)
Here's a nice Perl solution - arclanguage.org/item?id=805
Of which I improved slightly once - news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1006071
And here is a very nice Smalltalk solution (written in framework called Seaside) - lukas-renggli.ch/blog/take-the-arc-challenge?_k=adEQW4FZ
 
4:20 PM
@rgchris how's QuarterMaster on that?
 
Perl solution uses a coro web library called Continuity. I've written a few web apps for clients with it.
@HostileFork Certainly be nice if there is a Rebol web framework that leverages off cororoutines or continuations?
 
@draegtun I haven't spent much time on it, but tinkered a little with making something I called Rubol, e.g. yielder-1.r in my early Rebol learning. Need to go back and look at that too, probably another pile of misinformation. But we're all learning.
 
@HostileFork Does R3 come with any cororoutines or events? I've seen task! mentioned??
@HostileFork On R3 beta release - yes it needs some line in the sand and then get it over that line!
 
@draegtun My suggestion is to kill it and that we start firming up an idea of what a Rebol language written in C is, stable and single threaded, with a solid module system and that we clean up all the bugs we can using as much static analysis as we can. (I'm pushing to get it buildable as C++, so we can tweak the definitions to catch some bugs.) But I'm hoping our modest ambitions for that C base make it an ideal bootstrap and partner to Red, which is the natural approach for Rebol 4.
We'd much rather have Rebol written in something like Red/System than ANSI-C, but there's that nasty little problem of bootstrap :-)
 
@HostileFork Well its back to eating that elephant again!
 
4:33 PM
Speaking of eating elephants, I do have to code. Looks like the decision on the schedule was made: no split for now. Nice talking @draegtun ...if you'd like to get on the board on Trello then let me know your account on there, and we can put your projects up there and keep up with progress :-)
 
OK I'll sign up later and get back to you
 
@draegtun It's actually fun, I haven't been messing with the Rebol one, just my own
A bit addictive
Tons of task management programs out there, but they're not ergonomic
Except like OmniFocus, I guess.. this is cuter and can be used in groups. It's not right for issue tracking on the whole, it's a new idea and not a replacement for a bug database. Hopefully they'll find ways to integrate it into a whole. Until then, we have hyperlinks...
 
always difficult to make a solution that works for everyone
but I always thought Trello looked a good solution
 
TTYL!
 
@HostileFork Damn, I'd really like to star that "Until then, we have hyperlinks" bit :)
2
 
4:38 PM
@earl I'll phrase it better as a one liner.
 
It's perfectly phrased, but will vanish in the starring.
Maybe just star my meta-reply :)
Very meta now :)
Enjoy your coding.
 
One of my coworkers used to go into a rant about programming when people objected to our approach of using somewhat crystalline graph databases to encode knowledge...
"Yes, millions of years from now, we will have used technology to evolve into beings of pure light...programming in text files."
 
Ever read "Orality and Literacy"?
 
I laugh and just go back to the "It says in your file you know COBOL..." It's funny because it's true. But let's try and make it at least "It says in your file you know Rebol..."
 
4:45 PM
Certainly attention span is affected by high availability of information. And in that vein I have read the summary and will have to leave you to explain this to me in Montreal. :-)
 
 
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5:58 PM
@HostileFork Admittedly a little wordy without using sessions.
Literate, you could say :)
Could clean that up if you have a sessions model, but I feel that might be cheating.
 
@pekr MS fixed COM in the form of WinRT - WinRT's lower workings are an enhanced COM, and not that bad, a step in the right direction. WinRT's upper workings still need a little work though, and we can expect to see those gradually coming.
 
7:00 PM
I don't know of any particular fixes to WinRT in Win8.1, but that wouldn't be surprising.
 
@rgchris I've wondered what cheating is with REBmu, it's very touchy-feely. In a sense I think arc is cheating by being too tailored to the model. This happens in code golf where people say what's the fewest number of characters to print "Hello World" and then someone invents a language called hello where you do that with H. :-/
 
@HostileFork Fair enough, I feel I can draw the line here though—anything beyond a plain QM site, I'd have to include, so... Looking at the other examples, it's not exactly clear what is being set on the side—cookies? db access?
With my example, every part is clear and deliberate.
If a little verbose :)
 
7:43 PM
I came across this blog in my email today. It talks about the success of the no-flo programming system. @HostileFork will like that programs are kept in graphs. It uses JS to create flow based nodes and the whole thing is driven by node.js. He reports about 85% code reuse from other programmers or himself. Now since node.js is a single threaded event driven engine, is this not an approach we can also take?
 
7:54 PM
@rgchris I believe the Arc version is using closures for each session. Arc runs on MzScheme so it could also be using continuations? The Perl version is using a cororoutine for each session, whereas Smalltalk/Seaside solution uses a continuation.
So all statefull HTTP frameworks
 
@HostileFork @HostileFork .. yep, a new http error now just for @earl !
 
8:12 PM
@rebolbot version
 
@GrahamChiu 0.0.39 6-Jun-2013
 
@rebolbot debug
@RebolBot version
 
@GrahamChiu 0.0.40 6-Jun-2013
 
@rebolbot debug on
@RebolBot version
 
@GrahamChiu 0.0.40.1 6-Jun-2013
 
8:25 PM
@rebolbot debug on
 
moving to room: 31067
 
@rebolbot do print "I'm still here!"
 
; Brought to you by: tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nl
>> print "I'm still here!"
I'm still here!
 
8:40 PM
make error! [
code: 513
type: 'Access
id: 'Protocol
arg1: "Server closed connection"
arg2: none
arg3: none
near: none
where: none
]
 
8:54 PM
@draegtun QM (in it's current incarnation) is a separate process per-request (it works on regular hosting packages)—it's still in my interests to develop it this way. The pieces are devolved enough that integration with, say Cheyenne, you could further exploit in-memory structures to better express problems like Arc. However, it's not currently in my interests to develop this way and no one else seems fussed either way. So it is what it is.
That said—in the other examples, I'd be uneasy with how much of the HTTP process is abstracted. I like retaining at least some of that vocabulary.
 
@RebolBot that sounds more like a "real" error, no? (@GrahamChiu)
 
I have moved error messages like the above to the test-room now :)
to avoid polluting this room
I have in mind a new command that moves the bot from this room to the test-room and back again
@earl debugging live code like this running on an ec2 instance is a little tiresome :(
 
@GrahamChiu I can imagine.
 
Ok, the link that is causing the issue will now be sent to test-room
 
@GrahamChiu Is it easy for you to re-fetch changes from rebol.net?
 
9:15 PM
sure... just run my script again to walk the wiki
github knows which pages have changed or not
 
Ok, cool.
 
I guess it checksums on the pages before it updates
and ignores a touch on the file?
@earl Are you asking in case people continue to make changes to the wiki?
 
@GrahamChiu Yes. I just had a quick thought about updating the HTTP scheme example Rebolek was linking too.
@GrahamChiu (Yes, that's how it works.)
 
9:31 PM
I'm just still in the continuous improvement stage of cleaning up the html
so edits on rebol.net/wiki won't matter since it's all programmatically dealt with so far
 
Ok, that's basically what I wanted to reassure myself of.
 
9:47 PM
If any parse expert could figure out why this gist.github.com/gchiu/5712068 doesn't work on this github.com/gchiu/rebol.net/blob/master/Anti-Alias.txt I'd appreciate it
 
@rgchris While I do like these continuation based web framework solutions they do have an issue with scaling. They usually guzzle a lot of memory (compared to the norm approach) and they are hard to load balance (you need to provide session affinity). Coroutine solutions are lighter and therefore better... however these are harder to serialise (if you need to keep them around for a lot longer!)
So more ideal for intranet or lower user type web apps.
If Rebol3 has or gets a good coroutine framework then I maybe temped to write a dialect web framework like Arc , Continuity (Perl) or Seaside (Smalltalk)
Bit like 4GL for the web :)
 
10:04 PM
I hope @HostileFork approves but instead of dumping long lists here, I will create a rebolbot dump room here instead.
 
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