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11:00 PM
forgot the sarcasm tag
you can recruit some people in this chat though :)
 
rgchris has made a change to the feeds posted into this room
 
Another experiment.
 
I was thinking there had to be some sarcasm involved there!
One of the great things about Rebol is that a US-based coder can usually implement a solution using Rebol for the same price or less than an Indian-based coder using some other language because it is so much faster to implement in Rebol than most other languages.
 
I thought it would be super fun to have an on-line coding contest pitting top Rebol coders against top coders in other languages just to see some real-world comparison. :-)
 
but that's because the Rebol guy is pretty solid in his profession, otherwise he wouldnt do thatt kind of stuff
your rebol guy would be good in any language!!!1 :)
 
11:09 PM
I've coded in close to two dozen languages, and I've never been able to produce the feature-richness and quality of applications I can in Rebol in short coding sessions.
Don't get me wrong...Rebol isn't perfect for every application, and some applications it doesn't work at all, but for most of the stuff I do, it rocks.
 
I love this chat
no idea what rebol is exactly, I think it's something you guys put into your pipe and smoke, leading to nice conversations
 
Coding in Rebol makes me feel high...
It's like smoking weed without all the messy smoke.
(I've never smoked weed, but I have a friend who does...)
 
@graph still one of my favourite overviews: Rebol in Ten Steps.
 
^^ I clicked that link
 
(should be the home page)
 
11:13 PM
posted on February 19, 2013 by ladislav

The WORD parameter help string is incompatible with other similar argument help strings (FORSKIP).

posted on February 19, 2013 by ladislav

When the BIND (or UNBIND) argument is a block it is not required for it to contain (just) words.

posted on February 21, 2013 by earl

Commit 44012cc introduced a regression that causes THRU rules to fail when it matches to the end of input. A simple test case illustrating the regression: >> parse "abcd" [thru "d"] == false ;; Expected: true The regression was originally reported by Boleslav Brezovsky on AltME. This fixes [CureCode issue #1959](http://issue.cc/r3/1959).

posted on February 22, 2013 by ladislav

** adding the Android platform + old R2 platforms ** the platform variants are pairs of "minor" platform number and value * make-boot.r reflects the change of platforms.r ** using sanity check for existence of platform ** system/product name handling fixed

 
A soccer scheduler:

[team-12 plays team-32 on saturdays at 10:00]
[team-12 must drive]
[team-32 can play any day]
[team-17 does not play on mondays]
is that how you actually program?
make a parser and then define your problems like that?
 
@graph Yes, that'd be one way to do it.
 
hm that's kinda nice
 
@graph Most of what is considered Rebol programming is in the DO dialect which is a bit more formal.
 
Actually, the soccer scheduler was programmed by Carl Sassenrath (the language developer) to handle real-world scheduling for the Ukiah Valley Youth Soccer League games.
 
11:19 PM
@graph The Rebol community is a nice place to be, lot of nice and skillful guys there always ready to promptly help each other. We had our share of trollers too, but the signal-to-noise ratio has always remained high.
 
yeah ,feels good in here
 
@graph, here's some Rebol. Roll it up and light it. ;-)
Breathe in, hold and let it out. Yeah, groovy.
 
:)
if it weren't summer, maybe a small cigar on the balcony
 
@graph As chris says, it's one way of attacking a problem. It really is cool that if you think about it, PARSE itself is this method applied to solving a problem. And so is DO. :-)
 
Doc is amazing. I love what he's done with the Red Language so far.
Doc = DocKimbel
 
11:31 PM
@Respectech Didja see my logo strategy?
 
The stacking layers on the center axis? Yeah...I like it.
 
The Red Towers of Hanoi idea. I think the demo program that people run first on the tutorials has to be a towers of Hanoi solver. :-)
 
Sounds like a plan!
As soon as my next shipment of Raspberry Pi's arrive, I'm going to start working on my Reb-bot. I have the mechanical platform partially implemented. Now need to add some smarts. :-)
 
I want it drawn really nicely though, like as good as this icon for automator on mac. Note how it's a lot of work to do icons right...and get all the sizes, and interplay properly with the native OS. So looking for a professional if you know anyone
 
Not I. Sorry.
Got to run to a client. Be back l8r!
 
11:37 PM
you're looking for a professional?
for an icon?
what's your budget?
 
Hoping to find someone really good who'll work cheap. I mean... like that Automator level of good. Like someone who does that kind of thing for breakfast. I said I'd chip in $400.
Professionals cost money, so this would hopefully be a fan of Rebol or Red who works at pixar or something.
 
400$ nice
 
@graph Did you know John Lasseter (of Pixar) made the BSD daemon?
 
you are committed to Rebol
 
@graph Well that's Red we're talking about. :-) But really, they're kind of "the same project"
The subtleties of the distinction and the vision is one of the things this room was created to hammer out, and get everyone on the same page after the Rebol open sourcing.
@PeterWAWood Hey, long time no see! :-) I've been working on porting your quicktests to R3...and then debugging like heck on the R3 Red port
 
11:43 PM
back to the soccer-definition thing
for my project I need the system to behave exactly like it's described in literature. That's where I am actually just a little stuck, or intimidated. I would love to define everything with a syntax like this
A soccer scheduler:

[team-12 plays team-32 on saturdays at 10:00]
[team-12 must drive]
[team-32 can play any day]
[team-17 does not play on mondays]
not sure if this would actually replace all my "if"s
 
@HostileFork Let me know if you need any explanation about quick-test and the tests. It's very simple stuff, after all I wrote it. Hopefully, it isn't too difficult to get running under R3.
 
@PeterWAWood The framework itself I had running quickly, now it's just the tests and fixing the... regressions that my R3 port introduced. It's still R2 compatible, also, so it's double painful. :-/
@graph Well we'd be happy to walk you through it if you sort of say what you're looking for. You might have noticed we write a lot of code for each other. :)
 
ok but right now it's happening in javascript
 
@HostileFork Twice the trouble, twice the reward.
 
I would need Rebol in the browser, interact with the rest of my application, does that even work?
 
11:51 PM
@PeterWAWood Well the reward in this case is "can be accepted into the main branch" :-) Doc wants to encap and no one's done that for R3 yet.
@graph It will be possible soon. I think I showed you repl.it ?
 
nah, or at least I havent looked at it, I clicked
uhm
 
What they did with that is they made a compiler that could take classic C source code for interpreters, and it spits out the back not an .EXE or anything... but rather, a big pile of weird JavaScript. So that's how we're going to put Rebol in the browser.
 
your point is? Rebol does not fit anywhere?
 
@HostileFork I believe the Saphirion team had encapped R3 code.
 
@graph BTW when we say "encapping" we mean that you can take the Rebol interpreter (the .EXE or whatever) and then all the scripts and resources for a program get appended to the end of that file...the Rebol interpreter then runs and finds it. So have a monolithic zero-install EXE for a program.
 
11:54 PM
@HostileFork what do I do on that website?
so my client gets an .EXE through his browser? Uhm..
 
@graph Well it's just like downloading a python interpreter or something. Except you don't have to download it to your hard drive and run it as an EXE. The "EXE" (a "fake EXE") has been basically implemented as JavaScript. Yup, you get it.
 
on windows it asks stern questions if ppl want to download that said .exe?
 
@graph Nope, it's "sandboxed" because it's pure JavaScript.
 
is it still lightweight?
you make it all sound easy and straightforward
 
We'll repackage the Rebol that is done this way...obviously we won't be putting in network protocol code or anything, the browser already has it. It will be a different kind of build. I guess it all depends on light. These are very subjective questions, like it used to be that a 240p music video that lasted 4 minutes was considered "heavyweight" and you'd wait a long time to download, now it streams...
 
11:57 PM
Topaz is a REBOL like language in a browser - colellachiara.com/soft/topaz/try-topaz.html
 
@PeterWAWood I'm trying to get people to not mention Topaz. use the search box on topaz to see me complain. :-) The Repl.it approach for Rebol or a JavaScript backend for Red, and Gabriele's cool ideas can be brought into the fold, but no more brand names. It confuses people!
And fragments effort. :-/
 

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