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1:36 AM
meet.google.com/rfp-znwr-xni Inaugural Revol/Rebol chat USA eastern time 5-Dec-2020 at 6 pm ( or, 12:00 pm NZ DST)
I've got the room open now if you want to test your settings
 
1:47 AM
@GrahamChiu I'm in favor of the idea of a regular sort of podcast-like thing to talk about developments.
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE turn video off at the meeting?
we can always capture the audio and post it somewhere
 
@GrahamChiu Well, podcasts are good to listen to when walking or exercising or whatever.
But it's different than meeting or group accountability sessions.
 
or, capture the whole session and store it on youtube
When I walk, I try to avoid bumping into trees
 
You have a topic, usually kind of an interview querying format.
 
so I need all my senses active these days
 
1:52 AM
Anyway, I don't want to do any recording-and-formal-interesting-presentation stuff until in the new year.
But meeting and starting planning for that earlier is fine.
There are some topics to address. Travis is dead to us, now...thanks, Idera
I found out that their free "Plan" gives you 1,000 minutes total (where each minute of macOS time costs 5 minutes). Not 1,000 minutes a month.
To get 1,000 minutes a month, you have to be on their open source plan. For which we'd theoretically qualify. But the people asking for it aren't being responded to.
So I'm not even going to bother, we're just going to switch. But it will mean paring back the builds.
 
Can we open different accounts for each type of build?
Relying on free services is never a good idea
We need something that we host ourselves
As far as I know, @rgchris is the only Mac user and he doesn't even use the Ren-c builds but is working on his own fork
 
@GrahamChiu This is the appeal of Drone CI, which is set up in a way that you really can integrate your own server that you run using docker containers with GitHub or whatever. But you can also use their free hosting service for open source.
If their free service goes missing you can keep all your scripts and just point at another server.
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE so do we need someone to try and set this up?
on their own server first?
Servers are cheap these days which is why we get free services in the first place
 
I was looking at it earlier today and then had to run some update on a VM and wandered off.
 
Why can't we script the building of these VMs in Ren-c yet?
 
2:06 AM
My plan was to do a quick setup on GitHub Actions for the web builds. Then make some old Linux VMs locally matching the old crappy systems on Travis we test for compatibility with. We don't have to build for those every day, just now and again.
They're really just there as canaries in the coal mine of "hey, did we introduce some weird dependency we didn't know about". That way we find out when we get a dependency that could similarly limit deployment on some new weird embedded platform.
I have a mac mini that I haven't plugged in for a while that I can do mac builds on if I feel like it.
 
That's 64 bit?
 
I have an itouch
 
Anyway, the main reason why Travis is a PITA and the scripts aren't trivial is because at various times it's gone whole hog into things like cross-platform builds of FFI on 32-bit windows being made on Linux, or whatever. Part of me says "just throw that out" but we can just archive the current state of things with a mirror of the Travis installation that runs it in VirtualBox.
Anyway, it's not all bad, it's a chance to clean up our act a bit and throw out some old stuff.
 
If we had a way of sharing these vms, or the specs on how to create the vms then we can share the load
 
2:14 AM
I really wouldn't worry too much about it.
What I'd rather see is more focus on building and writing tests for the web build.
 
well, process is important
 
I feel like the desktop builds are known quantities and more or less under control.
 
if we can share those details
 
The web build less so...and I'd like to see more sites up using libr3.js, and see those sites stay functioning.
Anyway, this is just one of the many concerns of the month that I have that make me not feel like it's time just yet to start a broadcast channel.
But an interim meeting just to touch base and get used to the idea of meeting more often sounds good. What were you proposing?
 
Oh, and in case I forget
meet.google.com/rfp-znwr-xni Inaugural Rebol chat USA eastern time 5-Dec-2020 at 6 pm ( or, 12:00 pm NZ DST)
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2:17 AM
I'm all right with it, but no presentations or topics or recording yet.
 
No, just give you time to get your avatars ready
@Edoc you can come?
It's a swiming meet
 
Saturday evening, hm, I will have to check. I'll do my best, I'd like to join.
 
@Edoc we can move the time around
Let's get some idea of when people are free
 
It should be ok, just need to check with the family and make sure I'm not putting up a christmas tree or some such
 
@Edoc Get tree. Put into bonsai pot. Prune roots every year. All done forever.
 
2:25 AM
That reads like a nice rebol dialect
 
@Edoc It's how I think!
 
It's already in a declarative command language format, VERB + OBJ
 
Get tree put into
Bonsai pot, prune roots each year
All done forever
It was almost a haiku.
 
All done forever would translate to CYCLE
 
Nope, CYCLE was chosen because it is expected to STOP.
 
2:28 AM
@Edoc some of us use the old syntax FOREVER
 
It's almost as short & sweet as the main HTTP commands
 
He actually meant FOREVER. Which doesn't listen for BREAK
 
To exit FOREVER, use the word AMEN
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Well, nothing lasts forever pony boy
 
Anyway I'm at the video location now testing mic and video
A shame that google meet stopped the free recording
Bait and switch always works
 
2:32 AM
Doesn't Zoom give free conferences to groups for 40 mins or under? some strange rule like that
 
@Edoc Yes, it's only 40 mins
but Google Meet is unlimited
Zoom just drops the session without warning
 
Hasn't anyone just made P2P video software that's open source and works yet?
Not that, but interesting: joinpeertube.org/#what-is-peertube
 
United Federation of Video Hosts
 
3:02 AM
jitsi.org open source video conferencing
Ok, let me try this
Graham is inviting you to a meeting.

Join the meeting:
https://meet.jit.si/Rebolution

To join by phone instead, tap this: +1.512.647.1431,,3830301006#

Looking for a different dial-in number?
See meeting dial-in numbers: https://meet.jit.si/static/dialInInfo.html?room=Rebolution


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Let's see if this works
ahh.. it's 10 pm for you easterners
 
 
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1:11 PM
@GrahamChiu jitsi is supposed to be the better of the free streaming options
 
posted on December 02, 2020 by SamTheTruck

One of the main things that RED has going for it is the idea that it can be compiled. But it's been a long time and RED doesn't really seem to be getting there all that fast. While looking around I found this language, "Ni", this guy made that was based on Rebol and Small talk but it's written in Nim. goran.krampe.se Who says Ni? - Roads Less Taken

 
 
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5:36 PM
Seems as if Parse in Ren Garden isn't returning the end position currently:
>> parse [a b c] [some word!]
== [a b c]
Can anyone else confirm with other builds of Ren-C?
(was trying COLLECT/KEEP in the R3C branch which doesn't seem to be working)
 
 
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8:15 PM
@rgchris Both the version of at least six weeks ago and the current Rebol 3 (Ren-C branch) [version: 2.102.0.16.2 build: 24-Nov-2020/17:21:14+0:00] show the same behaviour.
 
 
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9:19 PM
@Edoc I guess we can try that first
 

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