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4:52 AM
I've put some logging at the read event and see events triggered even though there's no data in the event port
So it looks like a TCP error still
 
6:02 AM
I fixed the Haiku build this morning, there was a bug. Testing our cross compilation and such. While the build system is kind of annoying, I do think the direction of it is pretty reasonable overall. The default is way too "chatty" though; you can't read what's important.
We can put the "make prep" step that builds a bootstrap makefile on the web sooner rather than later. I think that might be a good prelude to my suggestion of delivering a full executable.
You fill out a form, push a button, wait and then you get a zipfile. You put the zipfile on your machine that has some compiler on it (but no Rebol) and say "make" or whatever. Then you have a Rebol.
 
6:50 AM
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE so you found the Haiku networking bug?
 
@GrahamChiu No, that's just getting it to build from this morning. I sent a message to LkpPo with the conference videos and that we are still building on that, so FreeBSD should still likely work.
 
 
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2:17 PM
If anyone uses Windows and wants to read something frightening, load up a program in ProcessMonitor and see all the file, registry, cookie etc. accesses programs do: docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/procmon
Was looking at why an old Windows XP program that had been running on a desktop wouldn't run after being transferred into a virtual machine; wondering about what the diff was in the API monitoring log, and it's doing tons of Trojan/Virus things...mucking with boot settings, looking up if there's remote desktop ability, etc. etc.
 
3:05 PM
WindowsXP you say :)

"Extended support for Windows XP ended on April 8, 2014, after which the operating system ceased receiving further support or security updates..."
 
@Atomica Any system which has your data in it or things you use should be able to be virtualized as it was indefinitely.
I was talking yesterday about a plan I tried to convince my friends of a long time ago, where we'd just all agree to take a year off of seeing movies in the theater. And then, we'd use our one year lag to collectively only see things that were out on video. But we'd see them at the same time so we'd feel "current" when talking to each other.
Similarly, I feel that the computing world should have used some year's development advancements to virtualize. Agree not to raise expectations that year, just do everything in VMs
 
Apparently XP is the OS of 40% of users.
In Armenia
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE We've been doing this for over 10 years now.. think the last movie I saw in a theatre was Avatar.
 
I saw Joker, but really that could have waited.
Haven't checked in on ReactOS lately. Might test on it.
I still want a DOS build... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJGPP
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE This is an old dream.. I recall like 20 years ago that virtualization was going to be the 'next big thing'.
 
On cloud servers it is. On clients, the powers-that-be don't want you to have that much power to modularize their monoliths. Microsoft tries to charge you a Windows license for each VM running Windows...and it's so bloat-tastic that each fresh instance is ginormous.
Setting up a new laptop and found they've disabled the "uninstall" from ever more things. The "Xbox" app now no longer lets you uninstall.
 
3:20 PM
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE Yeah, it's like Google... don't like the way we're doing things? Go somewhere else.
 
People tend to forget that Google is a business that is obliged by law to make a profit for their shareholders.. not some public service.
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE If you do a DOS build, you're then obliged to port DOOM to Ren-C :)
 
@Atomica One advantage of having a well-reasoned C API is that the binding is pretty good. Taking small parts of the logic of DOOM that is written as twisty C code and replacing it with pieces of Rebol could be an interesting experiment.
 
That should get Oldes on board.
 
Oldes should get whacked in the head with a board. He still hasn't claimed the GitLab all-the-issues export I made for him.
If he insists he wants to tag and control everything, doesn't want to collaborate with anyone (and especially not me), doesn't care what I think and would rather have no database vs. one in which I have a say in its control...it's the perfect solution. But I'm not obligated to leave it up indefinitely.
It's not even clear GitLab will let me import it again (and I may want to move to GitLab anyway).
Because on the import page it now says that's where it was imported to, and the import option is gone.
He should take the deal, and pray I do not alter it further. "This deal is very fair, and I'm happy to be a part of it!"
 
 
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4:54 PM
All right, well Oldes decided to bot clone the Issues on GitHub, so that's fine. More work, but he does like doing things the hard way. Now he has what he wants. But I'm not talking to him again. No questions answered, no issues remarked on, nothing.
 
 
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7:19 PM
forget Oldes, it's getting oldes already
 
@GrahamChiu He's forgot, but I think with that forgetting it probably is time to realize that as the only other active user of the issue DB, it's a pointless tax to try and maintain the agnostic database. He has his own copy now (on which if he considers issues to be closed, he closes them). We should do the same.
We tried for a goodly period. Stakeholders did not emerge back to care about it...just him. And he has been satisfied with a solution that fits his workflow.
 
Carl isn't coming back
Let's close off issues that are closed for us
Q, how can I get a printable representation of non-utf8 sequences?
take each byte and convert to a number?
 
so is there a test for a valid utf8 sequence?
it it's invalid just print the binary?
 
I'd mentioned that I was thinking perhaps that with PARSE, one interpretation of parse binary [copy t: text!] could be "convert as much of the binary sequence to text as you can, and store it in T, then return the position after it, or null if it was all valid utf-8".
We do not at present have any particularly good "tell me how far you can get in UTF-8 decoding, then the next location where it was bad" feature.
I'm not sure how concerned I am about this, as working with corrupt UTF-8 may be specialized enough that you use specialized (usermode) code for it. But, we can think about if there's an easy way to expose what we know in the system in order to exploit what's already there...so long as it's not too costly.
 
7:30 PM
The issue is that I'm getting junk at the subport/data which I just want to see what it is
print if trap [to text! client/data] then [client/data]
 
@GrahamChiu Well, you can make a poor-man's UTF-8 error detector by just knowing the byte pattern for leading bytes and searching for those, and ask it to decode COPY/PART portions.
 
I used Chris' as-text but then I get nothing printable
 
Bytes are printable as binary
 
did I mention that then is nice syntactic sugar?
 
>> parse ["abc" "def"] ["abcdef"]
; null

>> parse "abcdef" ["abc" "def"]
== ""
@GrahamChiu I like ELSE and THEN and ALSO. (Remember: ALSO is like THEN but it does not change the result... you supply code that runs, but it still evaluates to whatever came in from the ALSO on the left...)
>> switch 1 + 2 [3 ["three!"] 4 ["four!"]] also [print "One of those matched..."]
One of those matched...
== "three!"
>> switch 10 + 20 [3 ["three!"] 4 ["four!"]] also [print "One of those matched..."]
; null
@GrahamChiu if you are getting into THEN, please weigh in here: forum.rebol.info/t/…
Have to kind of laugh at the concept behind ELSO
 
7:51 PM
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE at this point the rebol-chat project can't continue until the instability of httpd is solved
 
@Atomica This is not accurate.Businesses are not required by law to maximize shareholder value. This is a myth that emerged as common wisdom in the 1980’s. Companies maximize stock price because stock options and grants are how senior executives are compensated.
 
@GrahamChiu Can the scrape SO chat project continue while I work on httpd stability? I'm going to revert your no-data read change and resolve that correctly next.
@Edoc citation @Atomica
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE sounds like a job for @Edoc who has an interest in parsing!
 
8:07 PM
If shareholders elect directors, then said directors may rightly fear not maximising share price.
 
 
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9:26 PM
Well, I'm not a real lawyer, but I did play Atticus Finch in our grade 7 annual play, and as such I feel qualified to second @MarkI 's opinion.
 

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