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7:10 PM
I fully expected there to be further "canary in a coal mine" moments. I just didn't expect them to kill their own canaries ... — Bart Jan 13 at 20:28
I'm so mad! Where is Joel!
Some blame Joel, they say he is the one who did this, but I guess I have a hard time proessing that.
I don't like, know him. I just sort of tangentially worked at MS about the same time, and he was a blogger, and he seemed coherent.
We exchanged an email or two and I guess that made me trust the site on account of someone I'd talked to made it
I guess that...sounds...dumb in retrospect
I'm not as smart as I think I am, and that is becoming rather apparent.
 
7:40 PM
riot.m took ages to load. They need a wasm client
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE the reason I stopped was due to tcp:// errors in Rebol
Things have got better since then but we also lost the GUI
as I was using r3gui
 
@GrahamChiu Well, let us sort it out, it's time to move on, the powers that be are not good powers now.
Or if they are good, they are running a program I can't decipher.
So any goodness is over my head.
Literally erasing me at every step, I am "inappropriate content". Perhaps it's the DICKens. Sigh. Robots.
 
@HostileForksaysdonttrustSE I was considering it! lol
 
I am not cut out to be a human, it really grates after a while.
I was thinking about my hedgehog, and, how hard it was to bridge that particular gap. Hedgehogs aren't really tame. youtube.com/watch?v=vd4_H-1wwOQ
Anyway, it's pretty easy with those guys to just throw up your hands and say "I quit" which, well, I did.
He was not really up for being a roommate
 
I'm not sure about trusting other people in terms of matrix.org
Until this chat we always self hosted
 
Well, start with a scrape, keep our data
Anyway, I set a rough deadline, mid year.
This place has gotten to the point of obviously not liking me or anyone cool.
Cool people are now officially anti SE and it seems there is no way to work this out.
No due process, nothing but kids with buttons
Thinking they're teaching us "manners" apparently.
Despite being half our age and a sixteenth of our experience.
A sad, sad end to a valuable knowledge system.
Y'know, when they were banning me and telling me I was supposed to "learn" from my chat timeouts
I'm like "wait, but..." and the fact of the matter is, the conclusion most of us with any intelligence have come to is, no, it's not us who aren't learning.
It's me who blindly trusted a website because I believed in Joel and he says nothing now.
 
8:08 PM
Enough of the self recriminations. Time to do something
looks like there's a pattern!
Interesting. the transcript preserves your nick as of that date
So, presumably the transcripts are generated as static pages
Do we really want to keep 10 years of chat??
 
8:33 PM
@GrahamChiu Well it's probably not all that important, the most important things are probably bookmarked.
I say a lot of random stuff that may be interesting from a pscyhological standpoint but probably not that interesting from a technological point of view.
And SE is really pretty keen on how uninteresting I am, so. Well, let's get the tech data which is maybe useful. Because I'm--apparently--nobody.
I guess. Well, it's like Toy Story, when Buzz Lightyear sees the wall of Buzzes and has to kind of digest his cosmic irrelevance, except, well, part of the point of the movie was sure you aren't important but you kind of are.
It's a half and half kind of situation
I dunno, but they are going real hard on the you don't matter thing.
So people pick a fight over whatever detail they care about, maybe it's compelled speech, maybe it's illegal content relicensing, but let's be honest: we'd give a pass on most of all of that if not for the "you don't matter" bit.
That's hurting people who volunteer their time to build the best knowledge network we know of.
Being, sold? What's happening?
 
9:22 PM
I think we can consider this an opportunity
Maybe build a centralised store on AWS
a local wasm client, as a PWA using Guilio's framework
a local store using sqlite
we can also do code evaluation locally
 
@GrahamChiu WHo are you talking to? ("Because I'm--apparently--nobody.") ;-)
 
@iArnold We, in English, means everyone in the room
 
I do not seem to able to break through with replacing the mod-view.c with my own simplified version that should show a window.
 
so everyone has a copy
and syncs when they join, like Altme
anyone can set up the server again if server goes down
I guess that means we need public keys stored with the database
 
@GrahamChiu Except for messages between members.
the resulting r3 just returns to the prompt. No idea why it does, does it need something that was linked in a particular place?
It is supposed to just do whatever it would normally do until the new function is used.
 
9:32 PM
@iArnold altme stores those on the server
I guess one would could choose to download those too but they would be encrypted
 
@GrahamChiu yes but not everybody has all of those in his her own copy, just the ones for their own conversations.
 
@iArnold well, you might want them anyway in order to host else where
they'd just be encrypted
 
@GrahamChiu Better loose them than a encrypted copy on who knows how many places, or the encrypted rubbish of other peoples conversations on my computer and the unneccessary traffic.
 
@iArnold it would be an option
to dowload encrypted messages of others
not a default
that's the distributed point of the exercise
 
It would be a serious point for me not to use such a system if my conversations with say Brian would be stored on all other users computers
 
9:38 PM
@iArnold do you have a quantum computer that can break 256 bit encryption?
 
Jusst a matter of time @GrahamChiu just a matter of time for such a computer or a vulnarability exploited.
 
I think I would be more concerned about my banking records than anything I said to anyone
if it's that important, use the phone to talk
Remember also that any chat in progress is also only encrypted at 256 bits
 
DO not agree on that either :-D !! My bank account is just a still in time just a number, a conversation is an expression of my opinion at that time, things you once stated may come back to be used against you.
 
Alternatively, IOS messenger switched to direct P2P messaging with private chat so nothing went through the IOS messenger server
that's also an option
 
Things I say to somebody in good confidence that other people don t get to read them unless either of us share that, should be safe from snooping eyes.
 
9:46 PM
Do you use Altme? Do you private message anyone there?
 
"The opportunity creates the thieve", is a saying in Dutch.
 
If so, those messsages are in plain text on Gregg's server
Altme was an evolution of Carl's IOS messenger but he switched to storing private messages
 
Yep, but you cannot read them if you do not host it. And indeed I have known that ever since using AltME. I trust Gregg to be discrete enough not to browse these messages.
 
@iArnold Do you know Will on Altme?
 
No
 
9:55 PM
@iArnold He's now hosting the Rebol4 server and has all your private messages
Will Arp in Switzerland
Did you trust Gregg to let him send all your PMs to someone else?
 
@GrahamChiu Ok, I said I known this from beginning so I took it easy on them, I knew these are plain text visible for whoever hosted. Now something completely different. You know how to use ODBC to connect to MySQL database? In PHP I use mysql_connect function. The test-odbc.r shows only what to do when a connection exists.
 
@iArnold Check the test script
for odbc
 
Everything I say is meta, I am trying to log it in archives so my opinions are known.
I'm not concerned about Tinkeringbells or Catija or any such thing, other than that they prove their lack of worth by their actions.
I am what I am, they are what they are, why should I fear?
The only thing I get upset about is how easily these nobodies are deleting records.
And putting children on your profile pic is a weak shield.
I see through that pretty easily.
They're not really even boss monsters, they're real mini bosses.
Anyway, the gravity is with those of us who are done with SE. We are all done. Who's left has stolen our work.
They're flagrantly using the buttons they have to call any questioning "inappropriate content"
 
We have a ginormous fight over... gender pronouns? Who even CARES? I don't, but if I'm on a side, it's the side of "don't put words in my mouth" but again, this issue is really nothing to me.
 
I really literally wouldn't care unless people start deleting messages if I get it wrong, at which point, now I care.
If I want to wear a dress, then people need to cope. That's my right.
 
@iArnold it's the same. you have to setup the DSN first which is not a Rebol thing but a Windows or Linux thing
 
But we're crossing another line here and I think firing people for asking questions is garbage.
 
so based on this script github.com/metaeducation/rebol-odbc/blob/master/tests/… it looks like @HostileForksaysdonttrustSE is passing the dsn as an argument
 
This Catija person isn't just deleting my edits, she's deleting the history of my edits.
So, she's the president of SE? Joel is gone, and it's Catija now?
 
10:11 PM
Yes that is just the point "assuming you have
configured an ODBC connection that has a "test" database inside it"
Assume I want to connect my Ren-C script on my webhosthing server with the MariaDB (test)database I have set up.
 
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Q: how can I make a DSN in linux

dinesh hfghfghfhIn windows computer I create a DSN for connecting a PI (from OISoft ) database and pull data in excel and others. Now how can I make a DSN in linux or can use the DSN already created in that windows PC.

@iArnold ask your host to setup unixODBC or iODBC
Or, run your own server for $5/month
 
I like this answer: "DSNs are a windows-only concept. There's no equivalent on Linux." LOL.
Ok so DSN is a connect string and this line (119) should do the trick:
connection: open join odbc:// dsn
 
10:28 PM
posted on January 28, 2020 by @gchiu

@gchiu wrote: It looks like we need to move from Stackoverflow chat so it seems time to build our own chat client and server. We have history on our sides with IOS messenger, and then Altme. These provide the design base on which we can build. I suggest: Decentralised store like Altme The ability to easily switch servers (need a central store somewh

 
@giuliolunati we can build a chat client using web-server as an apk?
 
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