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12:00 AM
...and, wait for it...
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2:10 AM
The circle is complete.
#wearerebol
 
2:22 AM
@rgchris Nothing too strange about it, other than two things. One, the people working there don't know why it's called Rebol, but I picked up the owner's business card.
Second strange thing about it is the location. Dead center; e.g. if you entered a map request for "Cleveland" it's where you would end up. It seems like it's on what would be public park land or something...where there are fountains and activities for kids and such It's nice, has art on the outside.
"Isn't this place a little big for a hot dog stand..." => "Isn't this place a little central for being called REBOL for no reason"
I actually didn't assume at first it could be that central, so I asked a police officer who was standing there if he knew where the Rebol (reh-bul) Cafe was. He didn't know at first, but then said "Oh, you mean Rebol (ree-bowl), it's over there across the street, it's that building with the art on it"
However, the people answering the phone inside said "Hello, this is Rebol (reh-bul)"
 
 
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3:58 AM
posted on August 24, 2019 by @hostilefork Brian Dickens

@hostilefork wrote: Hello from Cleveland...home of REBOL (The Cafe), where I just had a smoothie) moments ago. What more appropriate time to write a status report, eh? For those of you who made it to the Philadelphia conference: it was quite the memorable experience. (For people our age, this sort of thing is usually the closest we have to a "par

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5:07 AM
@giuliolunati I'd like your Android project to be one of the ones we have tested. So we should have a github repository for it that can automatically make the APK and then fire up an emulator and do something with it--like provoke the browser to read a local file and make sure the contents match?
That would be a good first step if we can do it. Basically I need us to have all the files where I can get at them and make sure I can keep them working.
I need to set a good example with my blog, I guess...by having it running and testing the Redbol it uses. :-/
We have to decide on a set of things we care about vs. don't. e.g. @grahamchiu needs to pick a finite number of things that are likely to matter two years from now.
Things like the chess demo should either be written to Redbol compatibility, declared important and checked/tested somehow, or just have a screencast or blog written about them and be allowed to atrophy
@Edoc may need a bit of help with GitHub/GitLab, so we'll get that going!
 
5:42 AM
Outside of my blog, I think Rebmu is likely the only "personal" project/tool I want to bring in the mix--the language and extensions are plenty to handle. But we should have a tcc bootstrap test, and that the bootstrap can bootstrap!
 
 
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1:13 PM
@HostileFork Hi HF, glad to hear you! Sounds hard for the emulator part... I think could be enough to test the webserver
 
1:25 PM
@giuliolunati I want to know enough to be able to contribute...and maybe even look at what it would take for an extension that speaks to the NDK (maybe a sample that can take a picture from the camera?) So I'll get the terminal and other bits on my phone and get involved...let me know what you need for anything w.r.t. setting up a repo and Travis process for the apk build and emulator...
 
 
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5:52 PM
@HostileFork Good to know the pronunciation ambiguity transcends the development world...
 
 
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6:58 PM
@rgchris I thought of another odd thing about the Rebol cafe concept; in that in their "why REBoL" page (that makes the o smaller than the other letters), while they don't explain their name choice, they are anti-Genetically-Modified-Organisms, a parallel to the Amish programming principles of not using things you may not understand the consequences of.
@rgchris Also: what are your thoughts on my post? We need httpd and json, and we need to keep them working. I'm wondering if having independent repositories for each script with their own .travis.yml file that kicks off is likely the best way to do it. e.g. each new core build, when it finished the upload could provoke the test. But I don't know.
Having each module in its own repository means that tests can live with it, and that projects can share them via submodules or just reference them. Also, if we don't keep each module in its own repository is that there's a lot of crosstalk in the commit log between different projects; plus they're forced to share issue databases.
 
8:12 PM
I'm not sure—I get your point re. issues. I do have a sense that the community modules (R3N) should be fully consolidated so that any R3N member tracking changes can update them and their associated tests. Personally I don't have the capacity to constantly track changes and would prefer the stable base for my modules (whether that is Redbol or other—though how compatible will Redbol be when, say, the port model begins to change?) to be able to focus on the functionality over compliance.
Q: how inefficient will it be to have such core modules written in Redbol?
(to be clear, it's not that I'm not keeping up-to-date—or trying, at least—it's just difficult to translate that to working, stable code)
 
@rgchris Near-term Redbol may be slow, but the plan by making it an extension is that it could get faster by making certain parts native or reducing the amount of code in the usermode routines to use generically useful natives that emerge as good ideas from seeing what's difficult in Redbol. Speaking of which, did you read my MAP-EACH abstraction post?
 
 
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9:50 PM
@rgchris Also, I feel like I may be closing in on the answer to the historical /ONLY problems, so opinions sought
 
 
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10:50 PM
It does mean you'd have to say either collect [keep @newline ...] or collect [keep/only newline] or collect [keep reduce [newline]] or collect [keep :[newline], etc. A simple keep newline would not cut it because of the risk that a naive keep x written in generalized code may unwittingly start splicing blocks when that generic X suddenly is a block.
So KEEP would presume a block of things to splice and error otherwise (as KEEP is derived from APPEND). This kind of thing would apply widely, e.g. to FIND.
The block expectation means you can keep [<tag>] instead of keep <tag> and that's fine.
It really does appear to have emergent value in the code, and KEEP/ONLY seems a valid answer for those who are annoyed by "symbol-y" decorations. But I feel like every callsite today is a sort of ticking time bomb for that day when your code seemed to be working fine with your FIND until you try to FIND a BLOCK!, for instance.
 
11:30 PM
It may seem a bit unfortunate when you have obvious-seeming code that says insert block make error! [...] to have to annotate in some way that you're not splicing, because in that case it seems obvious. So saying insert/only block make error! [...] or insert block @(make error! [...]) feels like overkill. Yet the case I'm concerned about is insert block black-box-expression, where it works for a while and then breaks.
 

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