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4:28 AM
@user3323258 Ah, a Tcl/Tk user. Rebol2 was somewhat in the same category.
@user3323258 (Rebol2's VID dialect somewhat fitting the same use case as Tk, for Rebol.)
 
 
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6:59 AM
posted on June 19, 2019 by @hostilefork Brian Dickens

@hostilefork wrote: I've wondered aloud in the past if Rebol truly needs a LOGIC! datatype. One line of argumentation might say that TRUE and FALSE are really just a limited sense of an enumerated type, which could easily be expanded. (To a tribool, even, with an 'indeterminate' state that fails both tests for truth -and- falsehood...) So if people ar

 
7:35 AM
Isn't this struggle with none, null, blanks, truthy's true and false and introducing more and more complicating constructs to fill in theoretical gaps a consequence of Gödels incompleteness theorem? In this sense it will be a road with no end, and this is about practical programming, albeit more flexible than other ways.
 
@iArnold I do not think the issue with NULL, BLANK!, and VOID! is a struggle without clear benefits and design rationale. There are quite a number of elegant constructions you can do with these choices.
 
So we will have to deal with a system that is never perfect. All this constructing just feels like it results in a more difficult to adopt programming language, which is contrary to the original vision, making the programming simpler for humans and let the computer deal with the technical difficulties underneath.
 
I disagree.
 
@HF you are ever so fast. So answers and statements are now running through each other.
 
I think several nasty problems have been addressed, and several nice constructs have emerged. NULL's benefit in the API, mapping to a JavaScript and C notion of a falsey "nothing" that doesn't then map back to a value cell pointer, has enabled very good things.
 
7:39 AM
I agree with that, but these things are hard to follow and do not seem to make things simpler $true $false
 
If #[true] and #[false] are what people want, it's not that big a deal I guess. But I don't know how much more information is going to come to light.
The main point of the post is that over time, I've given up ideas I might have had of dispensing with a separate LOGIC! type. It's necessary. The result of 1 = 2 should not be a BLANK!(/"NONE!") or NULL type thing, just for the sake of reducing the total number of falsey atomic things.
Because BLANK! and NULL mean something different than "a logical test failed". They're more like "nothing happened" or "opt out".
 
People want the world, but you can't give them everything they want ;-)
LOL!
 
 
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7:18 PM
The "Where the Series Ends" post is pretty important. (Another post that I'd bet will come into play as important in the long run, would probably be "Seeing all ACTION!s as variadic FRAME!-makers")
 

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