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Yes, that is Ren/C built on Syllable. Surprise! I'll leave it to someone else to send Kaj that and the description of the project
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4:20 AM
posted on July 18, 2015 by AdrianS

From BrianD (HostileFork): Ren/C Ren/C is an interim fork of the open sourced Rebol codebase. It has many goals:     To create a library form of the interpreter, which is focused on providing the full spectrum of Rebol's internals to other projects. This is to open up possibilities for linking to new IDEs, debuggers, and consoles (such as Ren Garden). It will also be the

 
 
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8:07 AM
@HostileFork Looks good. One small bug I noticed - Unless doesn't take a block condition so the header block check will never raise an error in foreach-record-NO-RETURN.
I've been thinking on table routines. With a header row, it might be nice be able to optionally shoehorn in user attributes. Because when you have a table you may wish to give string titles to columns and maybe types and have them travel with the table. Playing around with making that optional so as not to lose the simplicity of your format.
Not sure how far it's worth going though.
 
posted on July 18, 2015 by qtxie

remove terminal NUL char in string! added internal series! datatype added binary! datatype added tests for binary! datatype

 
Gabriele in his powermezz has a [type parent properties child1 child2 ...] format for tree nodes. Ignoring parent, I wonder if [header child1 child2 ...] where header contains type and properties would be useful in the hope of getting some routines to line up with the one you made. Idle thoughts...
Hi @johnk, how's things?
@HostileFork Make that two occurrences of feeding unless with a block.
 
8:23 AM
@Brett Ah, good eye (there needs to be a Rebol "lint" that can check for such things, they happen often). Would you like to submit that as a PR, to get in the habit of people submitting PRs? :-)
I'm fixing something I screwed up in the makefile at the moment... I hate makefiles.
 
@HostileFork Ah... it would take me some time to learn how to do that so might pass on this one, but will try to learn how to do a PR down the track.
 
@Brett Excellent, er, excellent if you were to learn I mean. It's not that hard.
What machine type do you use? If Windows or Mac, SourceTree is pretty easy: sourcetreeapp.com
 
I did install sourcetree some time ago. Will need to brush up.
Windows
 
All you need is a github account, to go and push "Fork", clone, make a branch for your fix and give it a name, add the fixed bits to the staging area, commit with the push button checked, and go to github and "enter pull request"
The hardest parts of that process are probably getting the license file for sourcetree to be generated and configured and making the github account, actually. Coming up with a username, icon, all that. :-)
 
@HostileFork I actually have a git account I think. Made for the old call workaround I did. I'll have to look it up.
 
8:39 AM
How hard can it be to post a photo from google photos?
 
:-)
 
Just tasting my Coherence 1 beers
Cheers @HostileFork
 
You better have another half bottle - isn't he up to 1.5?
 
@Brett doing well. Was planning a trip up to the Blue Mountains tomorrow to show the kids snow (for the first time), but the main highway is closed due to the snow.
 
@johnk Good to hear. We were going to go up Thursday to try our luck with taking photos then didn't go... Would have been good if we didn't have to move anywhere.
 
8:44 AM
@Brett I need to get building to try out the new version, but my rebol time is short
 
Orginally planned a motorcycle trip to Hill End, but the weather put paid to that.
@johnk Good luck.
 
@Brett I managed to cycle in to work twice this week and was proud of that
 
I prefer a motor :-)
 
Just as cold I am sure
 
Yeah pretty cold. But probably more layers than you..
 
8:48 AM
:-)
 
 
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9:49 AM
posted on July 18, 2015 by qtxie

Some fixes by qtxie

 
@HostileFork Hopefully all good.
 
@Brett The journey of a thousand patches begins with a single commit. Great! (If the PR looks a little odd it's because I've been doing some rebasing so it looks like it has more commits in it than it should, but that's my fault not yours.)
 
@HostileFork Cool. What timezone are you in?
 
@Brett Eastern standard, 6am.
 
10:04 AM
Wow. Hopefully you had sleep. Don't want a burnt out fork.
 
@Brett Odd hours. Sleep is rarely restful for me. I write a lot about that...
 
@HostileFork Ok. So hopefully you'll get some odd hour rest then :-)
Been working on a Pratt parsing function I'm trying to finish. I reckon it could be usefull for dialecting. But I've got another project that has to take priority for the next week so I'll hopefully be able to show something in weeks time.
 
@Brett Perhaps... in any case, good start and don't be afraid to go through and clean house with other things you see that can be improved upon. The whole %src/tools/ directory contains Rebolisms. The %src/boot/ directory contains more tables of things than scripts...
More opportunities to do that cleaner, processing types.r..‌​.
Which is why I wanted to generalize this table thing enough that the calling code could be made more obvious.
 
@HostileFork Yes, field by position isn't very maintainable.
 
@Brett Note for instance that the headers are decoupled in make-boot.r, and repeated, there's not much checking...
So I had an eye toward sorting that out when dealing with the systems table.
 
10:13 AM
A bit of metadata doesn't hurt at all.
Placed with its data...
 
Making the makefiles and doing the build process is a particular place where being clear and maintainable is much more important than performance. I think that turning the rows into objects gives the best of both worlds... a clean and simple table format, along with data accessible by key.
The tabs are a mess, I hate tabs. The sooner they get turned to spaces the better.
There's little point of formatting these tables if they're going to be all mucked up. I'm pretty sure GitHub is part of the anti-tab movement, because if they weren't they'd have made tabs indent 4. By doing 8 they ensure tabbed stuff looks ridiculous while subversively saying "yeah, we show tabs, see? 8 is totally...standard."
 
@HostileFork I suspect Rebol could benefit from more thinking around this like I was alluding to earlier. One day...
All my stuff is still tabbed, but my website upload scripts detab.
Probably need a new editor too..
 
@Brett Sublime Text is not bad, but I certainly don't do anything fancy with it.
 
@HostileFork I've been heartened with your efforts at putting Rebol on a firmer foundation for the future. I had to admit that not for the first time I was casting around for another language. But I hope for a bit of momentum now.
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@Brett Good to hear. Well, I think that most new Rebol users will come from Red; when they are in situations where Red doesn't yet do (or cannot yet do) what they want. So there's a niche to fill there. And I think with a bit of smarter marketing and tuning the rough edges it could be a utility people want to pick up.
It's just that the fit and finish never seems to get done, and everyone goes their own way.
If we can see that reversed and something "cohering" then that could change things.
 
10:22 AM
Hope so...
 
@Brett If you have bugs or issues that hold you up and are personal priorities, feel free to call them out. I'm pondering what order to do things in now that the baseline is sort of set up, en route to Coherence II.
 
Ok I'm off to some computing downtime.. Cheers.
 
TTYL...
 
@HostileFork Will keep it in mind.. But I'll need to start committing to Rebol 3 with new projects. As these major things are done it will be less hard for me to leave Rebol 2 behind.
TTYL
 
 
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11:46 AM
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Q: How to make a target in make that is itself named 'makefile'?

HostileForkSummary: I'm dealing with a make script that generates (and optionally 'makes') a makefile. Historically it used a make make "phony target" to do so. I want to change this to make makefile because it seems more coherent and representative of what's going on. But when I change it and switch to ...

 
 
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5:25 PM
I'm looking into the current public status of distros. I see @HostileFork has started a new repository for ren/c is it the same as the ren-c-lang branch of the @ShixinZeng distro?
 
@moliad Yup, GitHub does not let you have more than one clone of a repo from the same "root" under the same account. You can only bring in branches.
(Or you can create another account or organization, and clone into that)
 
yeah, one thing I don't like very much about GitHub
 
We're all clones of rebol/rebol at the root, for now.
 
so what's the best way to contribute to this new cleaned up version?
 
Any way is probably a good way, but the best is whatever motivates you such that you can use it.
Without users there's not a lot of point.
 
5:28 PM
what are the big differences in practice for that branch right now?
 
Well, I've prepared it for the way I would like to work, which is to be able to build it with C++ to do additional checking while still retaining ANSI C circa 1989 buildability. Think of it as using modern C++ as a static analysis tool.
So that's a difference in methodology. There has been a lot of mechanical work to get to that point, and to start shaping up some of the wandering and copypasta in the code.
 
ok. so Its the same building mechanism as before?
(using rebol preprocessing and then C compiling)
 
Mostly, yesterday and today I've tried to make it more automatic. make -f makefile.boot should do it. But yes, same model.
If you look at some of the patches in Coherence 1.5 you can get a sense for the kind of work that I've been doing
But I also have a lot of exploratory work to integrate, including definitional scoping on returns and fixing some large scale design flaws.
 
ok, I will start looking into the code and note that I do everything with msvc, so its going to be a good way to proof that your changes still go through it unhidered. Are the msvc files from an earlier version still in that branch?
 
Nope. What I want us to look into for people who want to use IDEs is to have a similar generator to the one that makes the GNU makefile that makes a CMakeLists.txt ... as they have the "spit out an IDE file" thing done.
Some work on that has been started by @earl and we should pick it up and finish it.
I have already gone through some significant bug bashing, including not zero filling memory allocations and trapping when uninitialized memory is being accessed. Lots of little bugs and some really big bugs found.
However, before going through and re-applying those changes I had to do some basics, and I made the commitment to un-fork Atronix's branch to try and bring things under a common umbrella.
Which was a bit of a reboot, but it shouldn't be too hard to go through and start pulling patches back in from that work.
 
5:39 PM
lots of work ... got to go... will be back sometime in a few days. I've been doing A LOT of C work in the last year, will be nice to look at this code and finally be able to add to it.
note I'm a software architect and there are quite a few things I want to improve into the very core semantics of rebol, without removing anything which is currently there. extensible replacable datatypes, run-time lexical extension, run-time device extending, stuff like that.
 
@moliad Plenty to do...
@moliad For all these things what I'd like to see ideally is design before code. One of my concerns is how often it seems coding starts before the pathological cases have been studied. It seems this project is deep enough in that it's time to really nail what's there before putting on anything half-baked... lots of stuff to get fully baked first...!
 
@HostileFork I guess I'll have to flex (and grow) my Git muscles a bit ;-)
 
@moliad I've learned a lot about it lately. It's still easy to screw up, though there's a lot of undo-ing built into it if you know how to get to it
One thing I noticed just from making simple changes is that really, with this many configurations... even small changes should probably be done on a branch and verified before they make it in. I'm a little disappointed in the sense that I didn't really want to get locked into "support mode" yet; it's sort of prematurely "announced" when there's a lot to do. But the earlier more contributors get contributing, the better.
 
@HostileFork I appreciate the amount of work you already did... playing around with building and shit like compiler switches is not fun, my other project is also multi-platform in design... and everything gets complex for nothing. playing in that stuff once it works ... gets messy.
see ya later!
 
Later on... and yup, lots of non-fun in here to get it started.
Hopefully more fun now.
 
5:44 PM
Btw @HostileFork I we going to use gnu make or nmake for the msvc builds?
*are
 
@iceflow19 I think the way I'd look at it is that between GNU make and CMake that should cover a broader space than worrying about nmake.
I'm still personally most interested of all probably (personally) in driving it from Rebol with no external make, and putting TCC in, and doing that sooner rather than later just to have it to show off.
 
Ah because cmake generates nmake makefiles...
 
MSVC project files would be probably what more people are interested in
 
Well where is the TCC code?
 
And CLion can load CMake directly, as can Qt Creator.
@iceflow19 The people who picked it up after the original developer stopped working on it are here: repo.or.cz/w/tinycc.git/tree
 
5:49 PM
@HostileFork True, which that is pretty easy to write.
 
@iceflow19 Well, the CMake bottleneck would take care of it, so I say CMake is the best plan. GNU make for not needing CMake installed, and Rebol using CALL to drive through all the command lines to avoid either.
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@HostileFork BUt didn't @MarkI also make changes? Where is his code?
 
@iceflow19 I don't think (?) any changes were necessary, I think it was just a matter of the right compile switches and the right files on the drive in the right place.
If we went ahead and put TCC into the /external dependencies directory, and found some way to do a build where you passed rebol something like rebol --tcc whereupon it would interpret all the later command line switches as being for tcc, then I think that should be done sooner rather than later.
And then show that unified Rebol building itself.
We wouldn't generally want to be doing that due to the lack of optimization -but- the feature of being able to generate libraries from C code programmatically and call into them with STRUCT! and ROUTINE! right after that would be very nice to think about.
So self-building is more a proof of concept.
And we could--with sufficient motivation--probably get the byte count on TCC down by replacing some of its internal code with Rebol (as they're likely doing a lot of stuff a small bit of PARSE would be able to do, who knows).
The incentive to bother isn't really there yet, although I'd say we still have a psychological 1MB barrier.
 
Btw I just updated my repo to match the mainline. Might as well get cracking on a monotonous tab to space conversion ;)
 
@iceflow19 Well if you know how to do it, that's great to have... but we don't want to make it too hard too soon to be swapping code between the branches.
My idea was that we would take that step when Atronix moves to using Ren/C as a library, and not sooner.
If your filter-branch kung fu is good, you might look at this issue:
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Q: Why does a no-op filter-branch create divergence, and how do I fix that?

HostileForkI have a situation where I merged a couple-years-worth of commits into a repository. One of the commits had a comment which was a paste of an Address Sanitizer log related to the fix. That doesn't sound so bad, except address Sanitizer logs look like this: ==10856==ERROR: AddressSanitizer: hea...

There's actually several commits that Shixin pasted Address Sanitizer logs into, inadvertently leading to Git Issue chaos due to how they interpret #XXX in commits
 
6:01 PM
@HostileFork Understandable, I'll hold off then.
 
Rewriting those out will only mean that we have some decoherence downstream of those commits... if the rewrite is done correctly. My question reveals that getting it done correctly is not something I had the immediate mechanics to figure out, but I think the guy who answered is likely correct
So if you can get me the list of things-to-type-to-make-it-happen I'll run that list-of-things and then write GitHub about the problem and hopefully cleaning up all those persistent pingback spam things they picked up.
 
6:17 PM
@HostileFork Couldn't we do it with rebol in cgi mode and parse, since filter-branch invokes whatever command you write.
I despise sed :)
 
@iceflow19 I haven't used it, and I also despise sed, and that sounds great... in fact I was trying to figure out what kind of Rebol-based filtering thing one might build in. I don't do web stuff much so exactly how CGI mode works or what it might be useful for is unknown to me. I did a filtering thing once: flatworm.hostilefork.com
But I do know that in terms of transforming input into output where the default is "just pass it through", PARSE's design isn't so much geared toward expressing that.
You can read in a chunk and then use the mutating operations, but I don't have actually a lot of experience with them.
 
Are you just trying to get rid of the #number from the commit history? And leave just the number behind?
Did something not make it into the fix for x64? because I'm getting an assertion failed on d-print
 
6:33 PM
@iceflow19 That would be an acceptable solution, and is what I was trying to do with sed. But it then proceeded to trash all the commits.
@iceflow19 I've changed the build process to rewrite things to be more readable/shorter/modifiable. So getting someone with Win64 to test them and see if something is going wrong is good. One thing I changed is that the defines are taken care of by the build process, so you can make a new build target more easily without editing a header file.
Are your command lines for compilation showing -DTO_WINDOWS -DTO_WINDOWS_X64 -DENDIAN_LITTLE ?
(The change being that these are controlled at the command line vs a bunch of #ifdefs in the reb-config.h file.)
 
Yep. Btw shouldn't --std=c99 or gnu99 be in there somewhere?
 
The new logic of make -f makefile.boot is to try and produce a build with the same OS version as your r3-make. If you need to override it, you have to say make -f makefile.boot OS_ID=0.3.02 as before, to explicitly say "I want a Win64 target, I don't care what my rebol.exe supports."
 
@HostileFork Yes I used that command line.
 
As the compiler command lines go by, do you get the -D* I mention above?
 
Yes
 
6:39 PM
Well, I don't recall where we left this at the last point...you were having d-print problems and 4-byte pointers when telling it that it had __LLP64__
And then commented some stuff out, but you're saying that's all gone now and you're doing the normal CHECK_STRUCT_ALIGN and your pointers are 8 bytes?
 
-D__LLP64__ is set when it compiles the files
 
And your pointers are 8 bytes now?
(Presumably or CHECK_STRUCT_ALIGN would fire)
 
Well the assertion this time is a pesky RP_IO_ERROR
 
@iceflow19 Is this that situation where if you run it under the debugger it doesn't happen again?
 
Yeparoonies
On a side note my work computer is Windows 8.1 and had the gcc 5.1 on it. The one I'm currently on has gcc 4.9.2
 
6:50 PM
@iceflow19 So you had a build where it went away at some point, and now it's back? It may be the result of some sensitive-to-small-changes-in-build situation. Would be good to turn address sanitizer on and see if it came up with anything.
Ah, okay so other variables, not the same computer.
Nor the same compiler. And possibly not the same OS version?
 
Yep, I also think the exception type was different too. As mingw-w64 provides multiple.
 
Good to test these, but the unfortunate thing is I don't have such a machine to compare notes with. If it's a debug build, maybe you could get a copy to someone with a Win64 dev environment and see if they can reproduce the issue and its "you can't debug me" status.
 
Well I'm going to try compiling it with the same environment as at work (minus the OS) and see what happens.
 
I guess I have a laptop with the screen broken off that may have 64-bit Win 8 on it.
But perhaps part of my hope here is that the collective of Windows users can hunt this down :-)
REBOL MAGIC!
===============================================================================
All tests passed (67 assertions in 11 test cases)
Ren/C++ now working with Ren/C (changes not yet checked in, but shortly)
Ren Garden compiling but choking on something during startup.
 
Nice
 
7:01 PM
Having HTTPS support, or at least the basis for doing it in a complete way anyhow... is the most important thing to me personally in terms of what this picked up.
Another thing on the agenda is going to be switching over to git-flow, but I'm not sure when the right time to do that is.
So it looks like earl's CMake is handmade for starters
 
@HostileFork Its similar to the workflow I helped set up while at ABB last year.
 
I think what we might should be looking at is a default where instead of a makefile.boot we have a make.reb sitting in the make directory. Then your "get it started" would be r3-make make.reb OS_ID=0.X.Y, as the fully automatic version that just uses Rebol's CALL and gives you the output.
If you want a makefile, you could say r3-make make.reb makefile OS_ID=0.X.Y or r3-make make.reb OS_ID=0.X.Y makefile, or perhaps r3-make make.reb "make [os-id: 0.X.Y <makefile> <CMakeLists.txt>]" and be able to ask for more than one kind of result. I dunno.
Point being, we take GNU make out of the equation in terms of being assumed as being there, and have the Rebol script right there being what you talk to in order to get things started.
I think part of the idea with the makefile was that you could get the source from somewhere already prepped, and build it without Rebol. To enable that scenario.
 
7:23 PM
Will we be generating the cmake or will we not?
 
@iceflow19 Yes, the CMake needs to be generated. Given the more or less simple nature of Rebol's build logic, there is no reason it can't have a driver that just enumerates through what it needs and then either uses CALL, spits out a GNU makefile, or spits out a CMakeFiles.txt. It's just a matter of doing it.
A prelude to that is just getting the existing make system trimmed down and clear to everyone so it can be improved and understood, and I've taken some steps w/that.
And getting rid of the idea of a checked-in generated makefile, which is already quite a relief.
 
Hmm so I compiled it, but I still get the error. However there is some strangeness going on. If you run it from the windows explorer r3 comes up fine, if you run it from cmd it doesn't run in cmd but opens another window with a command line and runs, and if its ran from mysys it flat out asserts.
Is this a Windows console app vs gui app issue?
 
@iceflow19 The conditional behavior is presumably coming from here: github.com/metaeducation/ren-c/blob/master/src/os/…
That host-main.c is an example of the kind of file that ultimately I don't want in the Ren/C repository. But it will be a while.
 
7:49 PM
Hmm.
 
@iceflow19 Well don't burn out on looking at it when there are other things to look at. If it interests you, of course. If not, run it from Explorer and let someone else fix it. ;-)
Which I guess is sort of the message here. I've drudged through a bunch of unpleasant stuff to move the code toward a state where it can be more fun to work on and fix, and only part of that is out now. But more will be coming.
And the benefit of that is supposed to be people being able to get in there and understand and begin to "modify with confidence" on what interests them. So that's the goal I'm looking for.
Hence why I want the building and the CMake and everything to let people get in and know where to start, and I'll put together some developer docs from what I've figured out
Hard to balance when there are things I want to do more, to look at things like makefiles and such.
 
8:20 PM
Latest builds (with makefile.boot) work on OS X Snow Leopard (Dual Core) and Leopard (G4 PPC, only with the endian patches). Still have some call issues though:
>> call/wait {curl 'http://rebol.info'}
** Access error: external process failed: "No such file or directory"
** Where: call
** Near: call/wait "curl 'http://rebol.info'"
(same line works in Rebol 2)
^^ Reminder of the PPC patch
 
8:48 PM
@rgchris Good news. Patch applied @ShixinZeng is going to be the person to ask about CALL, but he did it for Linux... I really just packed it up so it would build for other platforms. But I don't know what worked or didn't before then, and it's got some #ifdefs now so who knows...
FWIW I get the same thing in Linux for the command
And it works from the shell
@rgchris I'd be suspicious about the "no such file or directory" that it thinks you're trying to execute {curl 'http://rebol.info'} as if that whole string were the name of the executable... vs. having the arguments broken out. That is supported by the fact that >> call/wait {curl} works.
@rgchris Try >> call/wait/shell {curl 'http://rebol.info'}
That works for me, and it passes the string to the shell for processing, so it will pick out the arguments and all that.
It looks like the deal is that it takes a block now if you want to do arguments and bypass the shell...
@rgchris So alternately, call/wait [{curl} {http://rebol.info}]
 
@HostileFork Shell refinement seems to work, I'll run with that for now.
 
At the dialect level, this seems to have some overlap with Ren Garden's shell dialect motivations. So perhaps between the two there's some interesting features to be mined, like letting you write call/wait [curl http://rebol.info] and have it still work.
Implicitly compose things, or somesuch.
 
Yeah, that'd be nice.
Incidentally, I've added Ren/C Pulls and Issues to the GitHub Feed. Hopefully it won't be too much traffic (or hopefully it will!!!).
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9:04 PM
@rgchris Great, tx!
 
If you'd rather commits than pull requests, let me know (one line change :)
 
No, that will definitely be too noisy
@rgchris In terms of code reviewing and improvements, there's some messy Rebol around that could use fixing. My discussions above with Brett pointed out some of the places where people can look to do tidying up. So if one's inner compulsion to clean or document or fix strikes... even just formatting or naming... or turning if not X into unless X... it's welcome.
 
@HostileFork Yep, I'll be looking to do that.
 
Cool. Well keep using it and keep finding issues and priorities...
Fork break for a bit, then some more stuff to be done.
 
Good stuff.
 
9:21 PM
Weird idea before I do break, to put it out there... we've lamented the growth of "nouning" constructors, such as obj: object [...] because object seems like a really good generic name for an object. object: make object! [...] may be wordy, but it doesn't consume the word for the type to do it.
I've suggested in the past that in looking at it, object! probably needs a spec block. If it had one, a separate MODULE! type might well not be necessary... the properties of a module might be equally fitting to apply selectively to any object if it had a spec block.
This led me to think that object: has [field1: ... field2: ...] might be a good analogue to my-function: does [...code...]. HAS and DOES seem to have a nice parity in being the "I only have a body, I have no spec" forms of these noun and verb types...
Old idea rehash complete. We sit and feel sad that it seems we're pretty locked into the function thing, and make function! is just kind of an eyesore. So what can you do.
 
Seems a better use of has than currently in use.
 
But that reminded me that we are talking about collapsing all the function types down to being just a couple bits set on one superset function type. Yet who said we had to pick FUNCTION! for the name of that superset?
When the collapse is done, if ACTION! becomes available... what if that were Rebol's "function"? It's a bit more abstract which is good, because FUNCTION has some formal definitions that it doesn't fit, and closure wasn't any good either.
So then:
func: make action! [[
    "Defines a user action with given spec and body."
    spec [block!] {Help string (opt) followed by arg words (and opt type and string)}
    body [block!] "The body block of the action"
][
    make action! copy/deep reduce [spec body]
]]
For instance. And suddenly, you have a test on the generated thing... ACTION? and a type ACTION!
So you don't run into the problem. DOES makes an action!. FUNCTION makes an action!. You can write action: does [...] and then later say assert [action? action]
Just a thought. And class might be the counterpoint to has for an object!. FUNCTION/CLASS and DOES/HAS for arity 2 with spec vs arity 1 without.
None of which wind up stomping on the ACTION! and OBJECT! types.
So then have the rule met: in the box, no typenames are taken by words that are the typename without the ! suffix.
Something to think about. And hopefully people can think on make object! taking a spec, and how that works.
Another possibility is to change it so that OBJECT! is renamed to CONTEXT!
Etc. etc. But it's all not that interesting if there's no definitional scoping and the things we know need to be right aren't right, so...
back to that.
 

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