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@GrahamChiu FYI quick update on altme and ec2. altme is installed, Xvfb is installed and working. I'm still trying to get altme to run as expected when the display is redirected to Xvfb.
 
 
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2:31 AM
What's the status of rebol.org changes?
 
2:59 AM
posted on August 14, 2013 by BrianH

[Comment] See also #1863, which is either related or the same thing.

 
3:20 AM
@kealist Working on it.
We have the green light, I have space to do staging. We have two scrapes(?) to ascertain the URLs that must be supported. I'm working to get some of the source material, and will be establishing a repository for the project shortly...
 
@RebolBot do fkey: none! rule: [ thru {value="} copy fkey to {"} ] page: {<input value="some-fkey">} parse page rule
 
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@RebolBot do fkey: none rule: [ thru {value="} copy fkey to {"} {">}] page: {<input value="some-fkey">} probe parse page rule fkey
 
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== "some-fkey"
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>> fkey: none rule: [thru {value="} copy fkey to {"} {">}] page: {<input value="some-fkey">} probe parse page rule fkey
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== "some-fkey"
 
@RebolBot do fkey: none rule: [ thru {value="} copy fkey thru {"} to end] page: {<input value="some-fkey"> More content} probe parse page rule fkey
 
3:33 AM
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>> fkey: none rule: [thru {value="} copy fkey thru {"} to end] page: {<input value="some-fkey">} probe parse page rule fkey
true
== {some-fkey"}
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>> fkey: none rule: [thru {value="} copy fkey thru {"} to end] page: {<input value="some-fkey"> More content} probe parse page rule fkey
true
== {some-fkey"}
 
@rgchris thanks
 
No worries! (parse is irresistible)
 
3:49 AM
@rgchris Sweet! I'm looking forward to it
 
 
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A: In a series! what is the best way of removing the last element

endo64Here I wrote a REMOVE-LAST function, remove-last: func [ "Removes value(s) from tail of a series." series [series! port! bitset! none!] /part range [number!] "Removes to a given length." ] [ either part [ clear skip tail series negate range ] [ remove back tai...

 
 
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9:08 AM
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posted on August 15, 2013 by Ladislav

[Comment] #1863 is neither related nor the same thing. Here I discuss the case when the spec is a block. Actually, I never used nor tested the case when the spec was an object.

 
9:38 AM
posted on August 15, 2013 by Ladislav

[Comment] This is a "multiple inheritance" case. Thus, it is a complicated matter and no wonder it is not done right when even the single inheritance is having issues. At the time of this writing it is not true that when make object block is evaluated the functions are truly rebound as #2045 demonstrates (which is the single inheritance issue).

 
 
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11:33 AM
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11:50 AM
posted on August 15, 2013 by Ladislav

[Comment] In the core-tests suite.

 
12:28 PM
posted on August 15, 2013 by ladislav

Based on the correction of cc#1893 corrected by pull request #123.

posted on August 15, 2013 by Ladislav

[Comment] Pull request created.

 
1:19 PM
posted on August 15, 2013 by Ladislav

[Comment] In the core-tests suite.

 
1:31 PM
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3:31 PM
posted on August 15, 2013 by Ladislav

[Bug] As the example demonstrates, the interpreter ignores closures when cloning objects.

 
 
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5:41 PM
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Helo Aaron.
 
5:54 PM
Quiet today! I should go hunting for some latent controversial issue to stir up, like the email! naming thing. :-)
 
I'm sending someone a payment in Bitcoin for work they did for me today. It's a bit nerve-wracking using Bitcoin for the first time.
1 Bitcoin is currently around USD$110.
 
Bitcoin is very disruptive, I'm glad people are hacking on it, testing its mettle. Once others can safely generate their own currency based on a known limited initial count of units, goodbye to the money printing frauds in the government.
Then we'll just need an exchange system, a sort of route-finding map to trade ForkCoin for JoeCoin, the new stock market
 
There's already an established exchange system for Bitcoin that could easily incorporate new coin currencies.
 
6:10 PM
I'll have to look into it. I had an email correspondence with RMS about it when there was a proposal up for "GnuBucks" or similar that someone forwarded to me. That never happened...but I should look up that email and see how much of it I prophesized correctly.
Hey @paultarvydas, how goes the investigations?
 
@HostileFork yeah, you should share it for the fun of it :)
 
6:37 PM
I used outlook back then. I saved them as encrypted PSTs, and when I ran across them the other day I was looking for a good free tool to open them and export to some textual format but gave up because it wasn't that important.
 
7:36 PM
i remember i was fiddling w pst to mbox conversion around 2006-7. can't remember if i found any satisfactory solution. the most painful thing was that stupid m$ linux.die.net/man/1/tnef encapsulation
 
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Q: Rebol doesn't work with localhost

Rebol TutorialWhen doing read http://localhost or read http://12g7.0.0.1 read returns empty string why ?

 
Wait, is RebolTutorial back? Interesting if so. We can ask him about that whole lapsed-domain-thing...
 
7:55 PM
I think that REMOVE can/could be seen as a corollary to TAKE in that both work on the series and leave the index untouched. Food for thought? — draegtun 24 mins ago
 
8:51 PM
Thanks for asking. A bit slow today due to other issues. First impression of red scanner = wow, why so big? Then, on closer exam, I see that that is where all of the different word kinds are parsed out.
@HostileFork @Respectech if you look on Toronto Lisp Users Group page, April 2013 meeting there a set of slides from a presentation about bitcoin.
 
@paultarvydas The parallel to that in Rebol is in l-scan.c, much harder to maintain. Many of us wish for both files to be autogenerated from a specification more formal than parse, as with Chris's railroad diagrams. But certainly the parse one is easier to maintain.
 
@HostileFork I can tell you (or whoever) how to automate code from diagrams. Been doing it for 20-ish years. Simplest example is here github.com/guitarvydas/vsh . Turns out that modern diagram editors emit XML / graphml. Should be dead easy in r3/red (it was dead easy in CL).
bbl
 
9:11 PM
@paultarvydas Input would be valuable, and I too believe it is not difficult to do, but Carl has expressed confidence that the hand-optimized code uses tricks that would be difficult to come close to using a more generalized system... and that Rebol's performance as a system overall strongly depends on these optimizations. I'm the sort of person who likes hard metrics and formalisms, so I'd like to see some sample cases and numbers to try and beat with a more formal system.
As with C++, if you are finding that C code runs faster than code expressed with C++, it's usually only faster because it's incorrect. :-/
Now which will compile faster... C. Granted. But I will trade compile time for accuracy. Or just buy another computer and parallelize the builds.
 
9:47 PM
Since no one is talking...here's pathetic dog and my host wearing the Dr. Rebmu beard and wig:
If we got a guitar at Goodwill, missing a string or something, I bet we could collect money on the street corner from people feeling sorry for us.
I'm getting pretty good with manipulating color in photos. If anyone has a photo they want me to take a crack at, send it my way. In addition to messing them up, I also fix them.
 
10:07 PM
posted on August 15, 2013 by Ladislav

[Bug] When cloning objects, functions are deep bound, but only shallow cloned, which results in the bug demonstrated below.

 
@RebolBot do type? a:b:none
 
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== url!
 
that has surprised me actually...
@HostileFork Dr. Rebmu's brother and the destroyer dog :)
 
10:28 PM
@onetom Speaking of Rebmu, that's where I ran across that one. The "//" isn't needed, inner colons on terms that start with non-numeric beginnings mean URL!. Good? Bad?
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type? 12:00
 
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>> type? 12:00
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type? a:b
 
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>> type? a:b
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map-each e [tel:+852-9369-5684 mailto:onetom@hackerspace.sg its:quite-good...] [type? e]
 
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>> map-each t [tel:+852-9369-5684 mailto:onetom@hackerspace.sg its:quite-good...]
*** ERROR
** Script error: map-each is missing its body argument
** Where:
** Near: try load/all join %/users/try-REBOL/data/ system/script/args...
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>> map-each e [tel:+852-9369-5684 mailto:onetom@hackerspace.sg its:quite-good...] [type? e]
== [url! url! url!]
 
10:32 PM
i was just hoping to be able to use this format in some html generator/selector dialect, that's why i tried. div class:blah
 
10:44 PM
i never really talked about it but this map-each actually annoys the hell out of me... it's a basic functional programming tool and i would use it pretty often but it's quite long. in other languages it's simply called map. i don't see how it would clash with to-map map! and the like. i don't see why would i need that map function we have now, instead of make map! blah...
what would be more confusing tho is the fact that the "opposite" of map is not reduce...
 
@paultarvydas Thanks for the slide presentation on Bitcoin. I went through it. A few things became a bit clearer.
 
@Respectech which one?
 
Anyone has a line of contact to @BrianH?
 
@earl just create a cure code entry ;)
 
10:59 PM
@onetom Heh :)
I'd rather send @BrianH an email or something. I'm fine with high latency or no response at all, just want to make sure he actually has a chance to see it :)
 
@earl i was thinking about trello, but i don't see any direct messaging feature in it
@AstDerek is it your middle finger on your avatar? :)
 

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