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12:07 AM
Is there any method to catch a path error?
@RebolBot
fu: context [] fu/a
 
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; rebol.com/r3/docs/errors/script-invalid-path.html
>> fu: context [] fu/a
*** ERROR
** Script error: cannot access a in path fu/a
** Where:
** Near: try load/all join %/users/try-REBOL/data/ system/script/args...
 
@AstDerek You can catch errors in general with TRY
@RebolBot
if error! = type? try [fu/a] [print "caught an error"]
 
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>> if error! = type? try [fu/a] [print "caught an error"]
caught an error
 
1:01 AM
Made some progress today! imgur.com/Mnz8v4n
 
 
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2:38 AM
@RebolBot
print [stats stats/timer]
 
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>> print [stats stats/timer]
1167208 0:00:00.072977
 
:O
 
@RebolBot
delta-time [b: #{00} repeat num 400 [append b #{FF}]]
 
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>> delta-time [b: #{00} repeat num 400 [append b #{FF}]]
== 0:00:00.000733
 
@RebolBot
print [delta-time [b: #{00} repeat num 4000 [poke b 1 0]]
delta-time [b: #{00} repeat num 4000 [remove b append b #{00}]]]
@RebolBot delete
 
2:46 AM
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>> print [delta-time [b: #{00} repeat num 4000 [poke b 1 0]] delta-time [b: #{00} repeat num 4000 [remove b append b #{00}]]]
0:00:00.005128 0:00:00.010964
 
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Q: REBOL3 - How do I access the value of a timer once set?

kealistGiven the code below, is there a way to access how much time is left in the timer? The timer ID is returned by set-timer but I am not sure if there is anything I can do with it? set-timer [print "done"] 60 In other words, what I am looking for in a fake code example: >>get-timer/time-remaini...

 
3:01 AM
Just saw "Oblivion". Terminator meets Moon meets probably-a-lot-of-people-who-did-effects-for-Minority-Report. For a minute I wondered if we should think twice before designing technology that makes humans obsolete.
Nah. Let's keep doing it. Humans are poor actors anyway.
 
@HostileFork Robot actors?
 
Psst: minor updates to r3-mode. Now with highlighted help window and REPL.
3
That is all.
 
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@kealist Sure. They've taken over the modeling industry, and it's not too hard to beat the acting in Oblivion. I believe in the future that having a digesitive system will be considered a liability--and not an asset--in acting and many other things.
@Hooman We were just discussing the filthy Hoo-mans. :-) Ever heard of Rebol and/or Red?
@Inaimathi Cool... I don't use emacs myself, but @paultarvydas was interested in this.
When I've suggested Rebol try more outreach to the Lisp and Forth communities, it's usually shot down, because people are usually invested in "what they like"... and it's hard to convince them to try new things... regardless of the overlap.
 
3:21 AM
@HostileFork Not sure I would consider that taking over the modeling industry though. Havent seen it IRL. terrible hoomans do give things such as cracked.com/…
I generally prefer tv series to movies nowadays just because there is more time for characters to develop
 
3:35 AM
@RebolBot
binary-solo: skip enbase/base #{0008181C0F} 2 6
print [{But @kealist, the hoomans are dead. See:} http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1BdQcJ2ZYY]
print [{Binary solo:} binary-solo]
 
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>> binary-solo: skip enbase/base #{0008181C0F} 2 6 print ["But @kealist, the hoomans are dead.  See:" youtube.com/watch?v=B1BdQcJ2ZYY] print ["Binary solo:" binary-solo]
But @kealist, the hoomans are dead.  See: youtube.com/watch?v=B1BdQcJ2ZYY
Binary solo: 0000001000000110000001110000001111
 
@RebolBot good show
 
@kealist Can you elaborate on that?
 
tsk tsk tsk
Rebolbot isn't about to take over acting
 
@RebolBot
print {I'll have you know, @kealist, that I won great acclaim in my recent performance of Cyrano de Bergerac. It was community theater, but I'm less than a year old. How much did *you* get done when you were that age?}
 
3:38 AM
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>> print {I'll have you know, @kealist, that I won great acclaim in my recent performance of Cyrano de Bergerac.  It was community theater, but I'm less than a year old.  How much did *you* get done when you were that age?}
I'll have you know, @kealist, that I won great acclaim in my recent performance of Cyrano de Bergerac.  It was community theater, but I'm less than a year old.  How much did *you* get done when you were that age?
 
@RebolBot Have I passed the turing test? Or does it not count if a robot thinks I am a human when I am a robot?
 
@kealist Please continue.
 
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A: REBOL3 - How do I access the value of a timer once set?

kealistThe answer can be found by looking at the source of set-timer >> source set-timer set-timer: make function! [[ {Calls a function after a specified amount of time. Returns timer ID reference.} code [block!] timeout [number! time!] /repeat "Periodically repeat the function." ...

 
4:36 AM
guys, does anyone have ron's slides? i only have 2 pictures from his presentation and some partial notes i could quickly scribble on the fly. more specifically i would like to understand his concept of nexuses. it sounded like something which is an anonymous node in semantic dbs.
 
@onetom That was a presentation I'm also interested in. caught brief snippets from the stream.
 
4:58 AM
Anyone know of any sound in R3 library wrapper or otherwise?
 
 
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7:33 AM
@AstDerek are you there?
Can you create a new issue for the new header check?
 
@Adrian yes, here
@Adrian is that validation good enough?
 
wrt the header name, I was thinking something like BotExtension-Type: command for commands, but feel free to suggest something else.
because I'm hoping that there will be other extension type modules for the bot - e.g. multiple chat system integrations, etc.
 
@Adrian I was just thinking about what's already there
 
Don't limit yourself to those
That's the beauty of headers - you can create/use whatever makes sense.
I thought about co-opting the Type header, but that is used by the module system, as is.
 
@Adrian was thinking the same
@Rebolbot do header: [ context [ Needs: [bot-api 1.0.0] Role: [command] ] ] attempt [ all [ 'bot-api = header/1/needs/1 'command = header/1/role/1 ] ]
 
7:51 AM
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>> header: [context [Needs: [bot-api 1.0.0] Role: [command]]] attempt [all ['bot-api = header/1/needs/1 'command = header/1/role/1]]
== none
 
@Rebolbot do core: make object! [ Needs: [bot-api 1.0.0] Role: [command] ] header: [ core ] attempt [ all [ 'bot-api = header/1/needs/1 'command = header/1/role/1 ] ]
 
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>> core: make object! [Needs: [bot-api 1.0.0] Role: [command]] header: [core] attempt [all ['bot-api = header/1/needs/1 'command = header/1/role/1]]
== none
 
@kealist - no sound in R3. But IIRC, we once asked Carl, and he posted R2 sound interface, it was in fact pretty tine piece of code, which might be ported to R3, maybe as an extension? But I don't remember where the code is placed ...
 
 
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9:23 AM
@AstDerek are you thinking of a module possibly having multiple Roles? I'd like to keep things separate myself (i.e. we should aim for simple scripts rather than bigger globs of code which could include command implementations, integration handlers, etc.
 
 
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11:39 AM
@kealist can we talk somewhere more directly?
 
12:31 PM
posted on August 12, 2013 by ladislav

Add an example of make clean "make r3" can be used Rename REBOL to Rebol

 
 
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2:01 PM
@DocKimbel do you agree with "renaming" REBOL to Rebol? Im asking because I saw some references in the doc's of cheyenne and i would rename those later maybe...
 
@onetom Actually, it should be stated by its creator how to spell it, but I agree that lowercasing it would be nicer now.
 
@JoséL-Cardós Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 101 so chat away!
 
Welcome @JoséL.Cardós! How can we help you? Where did you hear about Rebol/Red?
 
@JoséL-Cardós Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 101 so chat away!
@JoséL-Cardós Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 101 so chat away!
 
@JoséL.Cardós looks like our bot likes you a lot :)
 
2:11 PM
@JoséL-Cardós Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 101 so chat away!
@JoséL-Cardós Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 101 so chat away!
@JoséL-Cardós Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 101 so chat away!
@JoséL-Cardós Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 101 so chat away!
@JoséL-Cardós Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 101 so chat away!
@JoséL-Cardós Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 101 so chat away!
@JoséL-Cardós Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 101 so chat away!
@JoséL-Cardós Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 101 so chat away!
@JoséL-Cardós Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 101 so chat away!
@JoséL-Cardós Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 101 so chat away!
@JoséL-Cardós Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 101 so chat away!
@JoséL-Cardós Welcome to the Rebol and Red room. See our FAQ. Cool, you have a reputation score of 101 so chat away!
 
Seems the bot fails to match the username ...
Using "JoséL-Cardós" (incorrect) instead of JoséL.Cardós (correct).
Killed and restarted the bot and added the user manually to the visitors list.
@johnk @GrahamChiu @Adrian Please have a look at this username issue. (I'll also add issue on Github.)
@DocKimbel Carl wrote a blog post asking about using Rebol instead of REBOL. I don't think he officially followed up later, pronouncing a definite decision. But he subsequently used Rebol in all later blogposts.
Feb 13 at 5:31, by Feeds
posted on December 15, 2012 by no-spam

It's been suggested that we no longer capitalize the word REBOL. Originally it was capitalized because it's an acronym. Each letter meant something. However, R3 open source marks a clean break from the past. So, I could go for calling it Rebol now. What do you think? Make your case.

 
 
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4:01 PM
@earl No opinion one way or the other, but we should be consistent about it. If a decision gets made, let me know and I'll edit my entries to reflect it. I've been using REBOL (the language) and r3 (the open source implementation specifically).
 
4:14 PM
@onetom how about on altme (name: josh)
 
4:32 PM
Whoa, bot explosion! The bot should perhaps have a throttle in it so that it does not speak "out of turn" too many times. (So measure when the last time someone else said something was, and if no one has said anything for more than a few lines it self-regulates to not keep talking. It might wind up missing some "legitimate" greetings that way, but having the screen full of long scrolled greetings is probably not a great idea anyway.
@onetom I can't find a screen capture of Ron's talk (it wasn't one of the ones done on my computer, he used his own). I should have the audio, can bounce it to MP3 and get it to you later today. You can probably email and ask for a copy of the slides, the coginov folks should be able to get you in touch.
@earl The only person who seemed to voice an objection (at the conference) was Cindy, based on a belief that acronyms should be capitalized on principle of linguistic correctness. I argued there are other cases of this happening for instance with Scuba Diving and that it's a natural and normal evolution for things that are pronounced and handled as words. (Counterexamples being things like MP3 or CD).
 
5:08 PM
How would one specify a rate on a face in r3?
 
@HostileFork mp3 would be great. me and adrian has emailed him but no reply, that's why im asking.
 
@Adrian Went to sleep. I'm not sure what Roles could be used for, but it might be better to use a word instead of a block
 
5:25 PM
@onetom Not being Doc, I add my $0.02: Carl seems to prefer Rebol now. Also, what may have some weight is that 78% of voters (including HostileFork and myself) seem to prefer Rebol as well.
 
@Ladislav thx
 
Also, "Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation" is no longer spelled all caps "LASER".
What I do not know is the opinion of @Respectech on the subject, he may well be neutral.
@pekr also expressed his opinion, but I did not succeed to detect whether he is neutral or not.
 
I'm pro-Rebol, only place it looks weird to me is the script header: REBOL [] vs Rebol []
 
The script header is not influenced. Due to insensibility you can use any spelling you prefer.
This is mainly for doc articles and other materials about the language.
...thus, for example, I used it in the Rebol Wikipedia article, and now I adjusted the README article at r3 GitHub.
 
5:43 PM
 
@rgchris Aha, sorry, I used it in other articles, not Wikipedia yet.
 
All in good time :)
I guess I'm curious how much of a purge we need to do to make the switch—is it worth revising script headers to make everything consistent?
 
In fact, I am not sure I am able to change the name of a Wikipedia article.
@rgchris I do not recommend revisiting script headers. Rebol is case-insensitive there.
 
@Ladislav I guess you'd need to justify it and if @rebol hasn't explicitly sanctioned the change, it's still technically 'REBOL'.
 
Hmm, you may well be right, although, we may be able to argue that the project is in hands of the community now and that the community voted for the change.
 
5:55 PM
@Ladislav Vive la Rébolution—power to the people!
 
...including @rebol, who wrote: "... looks about right.", which I count as a vote for Rebol.
Yet another @rebol 's sentence with the same meaning: "I could go for calling it Rebol now"
Yet another interpretation is that he likes the change, but prefers it only if the community agrees, which actually is the case according to my counting.
 
6:31 PM
@DocKimbel If you're on Skype, PM me—'chris-rg'
 
posted on August 12, 2013 by Ladislav

[Comment] I worry that Carl would not agree with this proposal.

 
@Adrian if attempt [ all [ found? find header/1/Needs 'bot-api 'command = header/1/Role ] ] [ append ... ]
 
6:55 PM
As for me, I might be in the total minority, who prefer REBOL. It does not sound to me as a shouting, screeming to anyone, it just feels strong and I dont care about old guys remembering COBOL, etc. Rebol looks more mediatory, non confronting, but also - weak. The topic is not strong enough for me, to protest against Rebol form, so if majority wishes it - go for it ....
I might be way too much into heavy metal during a summer festival period :-) But one's song lyrics - I am who I am, take it or leave it - a rebel at heart. And Rebol is rebelling. Java being popular? It does not make it any less crap. Hence for me - always REBOL and being proud of it ... :-)
 
7:23 PM
@Rebolbot
print "@Evilbot: I managed to scare the h*ll out of that Jose! Who's next!!"
 
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>> print {@Evilbot: I managed to scare the h*ll out of that Jose! Who's next!!}
@Evilbot: I managed to scare the h*ll out of that Jose! Who's next!!
 
@rgchris @HostileFork i've moved rebol.info to freedns.afraid.org
they allow free, unattended subdomain registration... i thought let's give it a try
 
7:47 PM
guys, can you please register on freedns.afraid.org and try to add a subdomain to rebol.info?
 
8:27 PM
@onetom Temporarily, here is the source audio for Ron's talk.
 
@HostileFork 1000 thx!
10 minutes and it's downloaded
@HostileFork @kealist for you too
 
@HostileFork @onetom thank you
 
@onetom Registered.
 
 
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10:19 PM
@Ladislav I'm fine with Rebol.
 
10:32 PM
Is there any brief-yet-obfuscated way to get the current day of week that doesn't reveal the word "weekday" in some form?
 
In Rebol 2 (and maybe Rebol 3), you could use

fourth third system/locale
Nevermind. Didn't understand the question. Running on 4 hours of sleep.
 
@Respectech No problem. Yeah, just trying to solve a code golf puzzle where they put in an obfuscation requirement, to make "sneaky code"
 
I don't think so. 'now is a native (at least in R2) and 'weekday is the only way to get the day of the week without calculating it yourself.
 
@HostileFork seventh now/date
Or d/7 if you already have a date in D.
 
@earl Hmmm... that might count...
 
10:40 PM
@earl Just FYI: That must be new in Rebol 3 because it doesn't work in Rebol 2.
 
@HostileFork Also, pick now 7 can be used
@Respectech thanks
 
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A: I'll time your function, but I don't work weekends

Dr. RebmuRebmu: 17 (27 - 10, obfuscated) or 30 unobfuscated Rebmu is specifically designed to play code golf while being readable (for those who get the "trick"), so the obfuscation rule is against its principle. But: DnowRjRkILd/7 6[pDT[adJk]] It works all day on weekdays: Input Integer: 10 Input I...

 
11:09 PM
Shixin Zeng submitted a very promising pull request towards 64-bit-native Rebol 3: rebolsource/r3#1 (Linux x64, for starters). Testing & reviewing welcome!
4
 
@rgchris Any chance you would like to do some paying web work?
Or anyone else for that matter?
 
@Respectech Sure thing...
 
@rgchris Do you want to talk about it more in private on AltME?
 
@Respectech I don't have it to hand—is Skype ok?
 
OK.
 
11:21 PM
I'm 'chris-rg'.
 
Sent you a request.
 
Got it!
 
Hmm. Skype says you're offline.
@HostileFork I tried to upvote your code golf problem, but it wouldn't let me. You totally smoked the GolfScript solution in size! Awesome job!
 
11:39 PM
@Respectech Heh, well that one wasn't so hard! But thanks. I do think that I'd have preferred to write something like rjrKilNW/wkdySAT[pDT[adJk]] ... it's more "literate". But this problem isn't involved enough to justify going in and rethinking the abbreviations yet. I just did a major overhaul and I'll play for a while without changes.
 
(It helps when you can customize the base language to help with the solution.) ;-p
 
Yep, out-of-the-box Rebol can't compete for pure character count against things like Golfscript or J in its native form for the kind of simplistic processing puzzles that usually come up in code golf. But that's not so much an issue of essential properties of the language. So Rebmu is here to help get people to realize that fact. And falling back to all-lowercase Rebol if you need to is a great bailout of problems that corner or confound the Golfing-specific-languages
 

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