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12:10 AM
@rgchris http://www.moneylessmanifesto.org/book/land/land-of-the-free/

"In order to get your local council to investigate a particular piece of wasteland, with a view to it being turned into allotments or other growing spaces, you don’t need to do much. Section 23 of the Small Holdings and Allotments Act 1908 states that “on a representation in writing to the council of any borough, urban district, or parish, by any six registered parliamentary electors or … resident in the borough, urban district or parish, that the circumstances of the borough, urban district or parish are such that it i
Probably doesn't apply to private land that has been neglected by the owner ... but still ...maybe that can change
@BrianH just the person we need to ask a question!
Why does remove-each now return an integer! instead of the altered series?
 
12:35 AM
So, this would be a simple dialect for the starter template
stylize starter
assets %../assets/
head [
title "A test of the starter template"
author "Graham"
]

body [
menu [
"Home" [ "#" ]
"About" [ "#about" ]
"Contact" [ "#contact" ]
]
container [
heading "Put ya title here!"
paragraph "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidata
 
1:26 AM
well, this lance at 5.5 kg is a lot heavier than my 6lb maul but I managed to split an inner round that I had not been able to using the maul. So, it's good tech. Controlled splitting without the risk to one's foot, or one's back.
 
 
2 hours later…
3:32 AM
@earl as a test, I added a <span> around the text within the <h3> header, added a little padding and background to get this:
CSS applied to the <span>:
background: #fff;
padding: 0.1em 0.3em 0.1em 0;
Just an option for handling narrow page widths where the header covers the logo.
Could also do: background: rgba(255,255,255,0.8);
Such a shame CSS doesn't mimic Rebol more. rgba() could be a dialect:
rgba(#fff,0.8)
Or indeed use its own precedence—like with {font: 1em/1.2 'Some Font';}—use {background: #fff/0.8;}
 
4:03 AM
@rgchris R3's choice to turn ISSUE! into ANY-WORD! has made me skeptical of this #FFFFFF kind of stuff.
It's a fine line until you get to things like number1024, number1025...
#{FFFFFF} works as BINARY! but you can't do #{FFF} :-/
I actually do not have a salient or consistent summary of how I feel about this issue (pun intended) but I feel like there needs to be more "guidelines" so that the tradeoffs are understood (hence why I kicked off the "dialect design considerations" wiki)
@rgchris Also, CSS sucking as badly as it does gives us more leverage. If it were halfway decent, replacing it would be an even harder sell. :-)
and if it were completely decent, it wouldn't need to be replaced, by definition.
 
@HostileFork still don't agree with that decision.
 
4:18 AM
@rgchris Well everything's back on the table now.
I'm not a superfan either.
I still think @foo should be an at!
 
CSS does have it's flaws, but it is a fairly mature DSL in a syntax vaguely similar to Rebol. It's painful there's no cross-pollination.
 
As an any-string
 
@HostileFork I agree, but I think handle! reflects colloquial naming.
 
I still viscerally read !important as "not important". :-)
 
But if having it called at! means it's in the language, I'm all for it :)
 
4:22 AM
@rgchris Well I like the idea that, for such things a more abstract word is used, because of how many ways it might be used in dialects.
 
Fair enough.
 
And "handle!" in a programming language might lead people to assume it was a memory or object handle, which is asking for confusion.
The only issue is that AT is a language word and AT? to test for the type would add confusion there. So maybe an even better choice is available.
 
at! handle! name! moniker!
 
>> a: make object! [ test: "ehllo" active: true ]
>> set in a 'active false
== false
how to do equivalent in r3?
 
Why wouldn't that work?
 
4:25 AM
doesn't
 
Seems to work for me. :-/
What does it do for you?
 
Does here too.
 
>> ? a
A is an object of value:
text string! "Home"
href string! "#homelink"
active logic! false

>> set in a 'active true
== true

>> ? a
A is an object of value:
text string! "Home"
href string! "#homelink"
active logic! false
 
Weird—I can't replicate that.
 
weird .. I can :(
 
4:28 AM
Try rebooting. :-P
 
arrggh...
 
I remember a typo where I had set 'in ...
 
>> a: make object! [text: "Home" href: "#homelink" active: false]
== make object! [
    text: "Home"
    href: "#homelink"
    active: false
]

>> ? a
A is an object of value:
   text            string!   "Home"
   href            string!   "#homelink"
   active          logic!    false

>> set in a 'active true
== true

>> ? a
A is an object of value:
   text            string!   "Home"
   href            string!   "#homelink"
   active          logic!    true
 
it's been a hard day
 
4:29 AM
@GrahamChiu All that lumberjacking!
 
hey, splitting wood really resonates with me!
( and does the concrete! )
 
Some people I know really are into blacksmithing, as a sort of creative release. I find it nerve-wracking and it gives me a headache. WHACK WHACK WHACK BLOWTORCH WHACK WHACK.
But maybe you should try it.
 
The Internet via the IT Crowd
 
how do you do something depending on opt
so if the opt word is true, then do something in parse
 
Do you have an example?
 
4:36 AM
parse menu [
any [
set menuname string! set linkname string! (
append main/body/menu/items make object! compose [ text: (menuname) href: (linkname) active: false ]
) opt 'default ( set in last main/body/menu/items 'active true )
]
]
setting every 'active in the objects to true
menu [
"Home" "#homelink" default
"About" "#about-link"
"Contact" "#contact-link"
]
 
Btw, for some dialects I use an alternative to 'compose—instead of reducing paren! values, I use get-word!. It's less flexible, but gives you paren! back as type.
 
methinks @HostileFork spends a lot of time on youtube
 
@GrahamChiu I don't know where you get these ideas from.
 
Video page doesn't want to load :(
 
4:41 AM
Just had an aha! moment. Wood could only be split by me .. as the two women in my household are not strong enough to yield the maul. Now, everyone can split wood :)
 
@rgchris Old kids in the hall sketch, "God is Dead", it's available elsewhere. The Internet being smaller than expected reminded me of it.
 
Ok, it works : )
 
@GrahamChiu Equal destruction for everyone! (Women in the U.S. can serve in combat in the army now, as of just recently.)
 
@HostileFork .. got another target for you aros.sourceforge.net/documentation/developers/porting.php :)
@HostileFork so it's okay for gay women now?
 
@GrahamChiu [opt ['default (do something)]]
 
4:44 AM
@GrahamChiu Yup. Women and men, gay and straight, can all shoot people.
and/or be shot at.
 
['default (do something) | (do something else)]
 
@rgchris ah.. that looks familiar
@HostileFork fly drones
Kill school children without being psychotic
 
How far we've come. It's like what I said after leaving the Hobbit: "The effects were very modern, but the source material of the story was locked into old gender tropes. If that were to be written today, there'd be at least two large-breasted women in chain mail underwear doing much of the fighting. Gender equality has come a long way."
 
@HostileFork All the elves looked effeminate
Spider was also a she
 
So are you teaching your daughter Rebol? :-)
 
4:49 AM
@HostileFork no .. she couldn't learn from me
I did learn assembler to help her get past the CS 101 course
and I learned some scheme thingy to help a neice
looked like some vanity language based on lisp
 
here it is ... meta
gave me a headache
I've ruined my daughter already .. her fav music is musical theatre genre
 
@GrahamChiu The animated Alice-y Scratch-y things always look so unimpressive to me, I don't know why they're using them. Minecraft is better, SpaceChem is better.
 
@HostileFork I wrote this: Beyond Regular Expressions. It was an exercise in comparing parse and regex (and one in copying the method for matching urls in arbitrary text). I have some mixed feelings as the resultant code is verbose in comparison (though if you look at his expanded code, it's closer to a fair fight).
I should say, I wrote it some time ago...
I still wonder if there's something to it, seems like a good case to exploit.
I try these things every now and again to see if I can better simplify the language I use describe Rebol's workings.
 
Your formatting is definitely a win, the bold set words...very clean. What about a web form you paste Rebol code into and it gives you that HTML?
bbiab...
 
5:12 AM
some small progress ... my test dialect can be turned into the original object! so now I just have to turn that object! into the html page
 
 
4 hours later…
KK.
8:42 AM
Anyone here?
I think you all are asleep right now.
 
9:01 AM
@KK. - only 22:00 here now
 
 
1 hour later…
10:31 AM
more progress ..

sample dialect => rebol object => web page ( reproducing the starter template from the bootstrap site )
Needs a lot more tweaking to make it more generally applicable.
 
 
4 hours later…
KK.
2:36 PM
@HostileFork You here?
 
@KK. Yup. 'Morning. What's new?
 
KK.
Nothing. Life going on.
So @HostileFork I thought you were right. I should start with R2
I found a great tutorial at re-bol.com
 
I have mixed feelings about it, but right now for learning it's probably best.
 
KK.
But I am not able to run commands in r2
 
@KK. Hmm? What do you mean?
 
KK.
2:40 PM
Problems with things like view layout [size 500x400] at here.
@HostileFork just wait for 3-4 mins.
I am gonna shut down windows and start ubuntu 12.04
 
@KK. Ah, that's the page with the crazy short demo program. :-)
 
KK.
@HostileFork I am here.
Yes.
@HostileFork Just tell me what I can do to learn rebol without being a troll and wasting your and @GrahamChiu's and @rgchris's and @dt2's time.
I think it will be best if I just bring the 'doubts' or problems here, instead of making you guys do everything while I just sit at my end
 
Stop worrying! :-) Well, it will be easier if you start with Rebol 2.
That page is good. I think most languages are best learned through working on a project that does something, and you just keep improving it. So your address book would be fine.
 
KK.
I am able to get "Hello, World" right.
But GUI things are not working.
 
@KK. Hmm. :-/ It's not doing anything or giving you an error?
 
KK.
2:48 PM
Like ` view layout [size 500x400] ` etc.
The terminal just goes into another state or something.
From the other state, I have to Ctrl-X to come back, and the view does not show.
 
@KK. Did you download Rebol/Core or Rebol/View?
 
KK.
The next section in the tutorial talks about opening Rebol directly in the console. So maybe I should not be playing with UI things. But a little later, in built-in functions and syntax , trying ` request "Are you having fun yet?" ` leads to request: command not found
It has to be rebol/view from this page.
Though I might be wrong, and since Rebol is such a small download, let me just download it again and try it. I may have installed the wrong linux version.
 
Weird. It works for me. You tried on both Linux and Windows?
What's the message you get at startup telling you the build version?
 
KK.
No, I tried only on linux
Downloading again and trying too leads to same result
Should I try on windows once?
 
Well I suspect you're either running the wrong Rebol instance (an R3 you downloaded from earlier) or Rebol/Core version 2.
 
KK.
2:58 PM
It says the following at startup:
** User Error: Bad face in screen pane!
** Near: size-text self
Seemed a funny thing but I just ignored
 
Hmmm. What is the build number, though? Like:
REBOL/View 2.7.8.2.5 2-Jan-2011
Copyright 2000-2011 REBOL Technologies.  All rights reserved.
REBOL is a trademark of REBOL Technologies. WWW.REBOL.COM
 
KK.
Nothing like it, just the User Error: ....
 
Okay, weird. Well maybe it's not worth debugging this right now and the Windows version is a better bet for you.
 
KK.
Also, currently I do not have a make file in the folder with r2
Should I create one, and how?
 
@KK. that means you miss some dependencies for /view.
 
3:01 PM
You shouldn't need one, Rebol is an interpreter so the scripts are just... files you run.
 
@KK. what linux are you using?
 
KK.
Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
@HostileFork @earl I'm gonna try it on windows 7. Be back in a few minutes.
 
@KK. Looks like @earl has seen this before and the answer was "install xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-75dpi and the problem should be gone"
 
KK.
3:21 PM
@HostileFork @earl I am able to rebol in windows
@HostileFork @earl Thanks.
@HostileFork I will try it in ubuntu later.
Gotta rebol in windows right now :-)
 
Looking good. Now try that crazy program!
 
KK.
Yes. Sure.
@HostileFork It works. :-) I did not try all of them, but the 2 that I tried work.
 
So the video interface dialect of Rebol 2 is called VID.
 
KK.
Ok.
 
I don't know all that much about it, myself, but it was very popular with some people. The new Rebol 3 dialect hasn't been completely hammered out yet.
 
KK.
3:31 PM
Ok.
 
Presumably there will be strong similarities so you would not be wasting your time to tinker with VID, but it's not a good time to become a Rebol 2 "VID expert" and learn all the tricky edge cases.
 
KK.
Ok.
I think I saw VID written somewhere at rebol.com
@HostileFork you and earl just ended a few hours of frustration for me
 
@KK. Wait to thank us for any involvement in getting you mixed up with Rebol...you might wind up a homeless programmer because you refuse to use anything else. :-)
 
KK.
@HostileFork I was gonna wind up a non-programmer in a few months anyways.
 
KK.
4:15 PM
@Adrian Hello
 
hi KK, what's happening?
 
KK.
Same old, same old.
How are you?
 
I've been reading Brian and your conversations over the last couple of days
 
KK.
Ok.
 
but I just got in now so I don't know what's been going on in the last few hours
 
KK.
4:18 PM
Nothing's happened in the last few hours.
I tried R2 in Ubuntu but there were problems so I am now reboling in windows 7
Just started a tutorial by Nick Antonaccio
So you too are a rebol person, or just ended up here like me?
 
well, it's a different situation with me - I've been 'aware' of Rebol since the very beginning, but, other than monitoring the community and keeping up with what was new there, I never used it much.
 
KK.
Ok.
 
I've been an observer because I strongly feel the language has some very interesting properties, but, in the work I've been doing, it seemed all the elements for my using it over other tools were not there.
 
KK.
Ok.
I am liking the language because of the people I've met in this room.
 
@KK. Incidentally, it's not really necessary to say Ok in chats. (It's not rude to just read what someone says, and then talk again a while later.) Even saying "Something came up, gotta go" isn't really needed unless you're kind of in the middle of a conversation with someone...you can just walk off. I do it, so it must be okay. :-P
 
4:25 PM
Finally, it looks like the situation might be turning toward the better. I hope it's not too late for it (and Rebol-like languages), but I'm optimistic.
 
KK.
@Adrian Normally you have to chase languages, but here people much more knowledgable and experienced than me are guiding me.
@HostileFork Ok. (thats the last time I write it)
:-)
 
we need to evangelize!
 
KK.
@Adrian I think we need someone from the community to do something great, like maybe a multi-million dollar startup or something, and then let that person evangelize, like Paul Graham.
 
and I'm grateful that people like Brian D (@HostileFork) are such enthusiastic evangelists for Rebol and Red
 
KK.
@Adrian If it was not for @HostileFork I would have never stayed in this room for more than 20 seconds. And 20 seconds includes the time spent in other browser tabs.
 
4:30 PM
I think it will get there once a few more things are added to both Rebol and Red. Of course with Rebol 3 you can already do a good number of things, but, IMO, still not quite enough.
heh, he's like a magnet!
he has an infectious enthusiasm for many subjects
In general, you'll find that many in the community are quite welcoming. I urge you to register on AltME too, though - at least for the time being.
 
KK.
You mean altme.com ?
 
yes
see here, but ask for joining the REBOL4 world, not REBOL3 as the instructions mention. The REBOL4 world is the current world for discussing Rebol 2, 3, Red and other Rebol-like languages.
 
KK.
@Adrian Where do I sign up? Or do I have to download it?
 
Many, including, myself consider AltME to be more closed than it should be, but it's where a lot of the conversation happens.
Just download it and run it (there's not much of an installation) and follow step 1 in the link I gave. Log into the REBOL-gate world (no registration needed) and ask for an account on the REBOL4 world.
 
KK.
Downloaded AltME. Looks like it too is written in Rebol.
Hello @dt2
 
dt2
4:41 PM
Hello @kk
 
@KK. yes, it is
 
@KK. Not wasting my time at all...
 
KK.
@Adrian every time I try to log in, it says invalid username or password.
 
@HostileFork go easy on it: reb4.me/cc
 
what are you using for the credentials
 
KK.
4:45 PM
@rgchris I meant you guys could do other things than spoonfeed me...
Which could be more important than the spoonfeeding
 
@KK. guest/guest ?
 
I don't see it that way, reviewing the basics is essential to maintaining an understanding of the language. It's good practice.
 
KK.
@Adrian I did not get what you said
 
to log into the REBOL-gate world, use guest/guest for username/password
once in, you can request an account on the REBOL4 world
 
KK.
@Adrian Ok. I am logged in as guest.
 
4:50 PM
Oh no! I walk away for TEN minutes and this happens! :-)
 
heh
I'm sure you haven't lost KK - he'll see that this chat is great in its own way.
 
@Adrian :-) Spreading the idea viruses...
 
KK.
I sent a request to a person named Gregg.
 
good, you should have your account made in a short while
btw, if the font is too small in AltME, you can increase the size by clicking on the little icon with the small and large letter 'A'
 
KK.
@HostileFork I am just typing Ok. and pressing backspace repeatedly. Learning to not type Ok will take some time. :-)
 
4:57 PM
@KK. Old habits die hard. And as you look at AltME you will see a a very long living example of this. :-)
 
I think it's worth pointing out again (for @HostileFork's sanity) that this is how well hidden general chat on Rebol is.
You've just discovered Rebol's own Platform 9¾
 
KK.
@rgchris Some languages like python have made it a point to have individual pages for every single discussion. They call em PEPs or something.
 
@KK. aren't those just for enhancement requests?
 
@rgchris Nifty! Is there a reason it couldn't color fragments w/o a Rebol header?
 
KK.
I do not know what really these are, but what I am saying is that these guys have discussed things in the open since a long time, whereas the earliest "open" discussion thing of any kind that I see is rebolforum.com
 
5:04 PM
@HostileFork It's a little trickier than it should be.
What you get is colorization of valid scripts with appropriate metadata, what you lose is the ability to color arbitrary fragments.
 
KK.
When I first saw the room named Rebol-and-Red, I just thought it was a room for 2 people chatting
That was the reason why I entered the room: to see what these 2 guys could be chatting about.
:-)
 
@KK. Interesting, hm. I will consider this. We can rename the room without breaking links to it, so maybe it could use a better name.
 
KK.
And then I was caught by @HostileFork
 
Could call it 'Rebol (and Red)'.
 
KK.
No, I think if the name was something formal, I would not have bothered entering.
 
5:08 PM
@KK. there are other places people gather - too many, for such a small community
 
KK.
We must remember we are a freak community.
 
@KK. Now that you're signing up, maybe it can be the start of forgetting it a little :-)
A new tradition.
 
Hmm: plus.google.com/111044720965314893515/posts/XPoumfDkEZX — responses to this post point to two separate places that are not here.
 
room topic changed to Rebol (and Red): The rebellious (and now open-source!) language Rebol, and its new offshoot Red. Want to come up to speed quickly? Read rebolsource.net/go/so-chat-faq [dialect] [interpreter] [json] [lisp] [rebol]
 
KK.
@HostileFork I think just rebol should be fine for the room's name. Anyone who knows about Red will surely know about Rebol.
 
5:14 PM
@KK. It's particular to my unifying "agenda"
 
KK.
@HostileFork Ok.
Some things require acknowledgement.
 
'Rebol (Red)' or 'Rebol (then Red)' :)
 
KK.
BTW @HostileFork I saw Moon.
Great movie.
Funny thing. The director later directed Source Code.
 
@KK. Oh? Cool. Glad you liked it. Yes, that paints some of the picture of bad scenarios when you're not getting acknolwedgements!
 
KK.
Is it possible, for us to simply point to, or link to this room from other chats, like AltME.
So that we can get more people here?
 
5:20 PM
sure
 
I'm not sure how many people using AltME don't know of its existence
Most do I imagine.
 
KK.
Then I think we should evangelize this room before we evangelize Rebol or Red.
Maybe treat it as a project in getting people to like our agenda.
 
@HostileFork Probably - so the question is why does a lot of the discussion remain there? Is it mainly force of habit or the fact that things don't 'scroll of the top' quite as easily as here?
 
Well, although the open sourcing is very new, the culture is very old.
 
KK.
After all, if we can't get a few people to change their chat room, we are surely unqualified to get a majority to change their language.
 
5:23 PM
and the groups give you some kind of classification in conversation
 
KK.
<PLEASE tell me whenever you think I am going nuts>
 
Well, (a) spend some time with the language before you are certain you want to be one of the "we", and (b) wait a little while observing the culture and the cyclical history of opinions before trying to change it. I agree with you but I also know some of the cast of characters involved and many are quite independent and don't take what others in language evangelism to be "obviously necessary" to be so obvious.
I'm glad you've had some early fun in the conversations here. But things evolve, people get busy when they had time before...I'm having weird health things going on and I could drop dead any minute. The language, though, is now open source so starting with those lessons and "getting it" is going to be around consistently.
 
This chat room has pep—that's rarely a bad thing. Not everybody is working on the same thing, but I'd say we have at least one shared aspiration.
(and not PEP)
 
5:49 PM
@Adrian I don't have a problem with people chatting on AltME about stuff they are working on or using it as IM to speak to the people they want to speak to. My Gmail chat messages aren't public either. (Well, Google reads them, but otherwise...) I just wanted to coax the Q&A into a modern public wiki system that's a pleasure to use. StackOverflow chat seemed like a good place to convene to develop and encourage the habit of StackOverflow Q&A use.
And we could get some wanderers to stop in. Speaking of which, @Dracony ... you've been joined in here a while! :-) Feel free to tell us about what you're working on in PHP and we'll pitch an alternative Rebol perspective on the problem.
Welcome @Tass . We are discussing places where Rebol is discussed. It's quite meta :-)
Long story short: Rebol people are somewhat odd and ignored the web using a chat and messaging system written in Rebol for most of the communication about the language.
 
 
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7:16 PM
@hostilefork is new to the REBOL community so perhaps lacks the background knowledge as to how we came to rely on Altme. In the very beginning we too used a boring mailing list, yes, you guessed it, also written in Rebol!
it wasn't our intention to seclude ourselves from the world. but new things came which we found better for communication.
I can't remember how long ago, Carl wrote IOS or the internet operating system on top of Rebol/view. This included a persistent chat mechanism called IOS messenger. Of course we asked to join the beta and soon we had a core of the main developers there. iOS messenger however crumbled under our heavy use, and altme was written as a replacement. We have now been through 4 altme worlds which is where we are today.
The mailing list persisted until a couple of years ago. Interestingly early on some guys attempted to write an open source clone named Oscar but were driven away from the mailing list.
I kept an archive of the mailing list on my personal mail server, and sent the whole thing to sunanda who published it to REBOL.org as a public searchable archive.
 
7:36 PM
@GrahamChiu Does IOS have ideas relevant to Rebol 3?
I don't really know what it is/was.
 
7:55 PM
Like the Rebol desktop but all apps could share data with everyone else on the network.
I would very much like to see an open version for R3
 
It had some specific functions relating to synchronising, but not practical in many instances (messenger for one).
And a mechanism for running code server-side.
 
AMD used it in their chip design team as I understand.
IOS messenger used flat files for storage so each chat became one file .. it was very messy in the end.
sorry, each message became one file.
You had file sharing spaces where files you shared distributed to others on the network.
so before dropbox and groove
One of the napster clones wanted to use it ... but then the deal fell apart
( anyone remember napster? )
 
There was some inter-app communication that might be of interest.
The central process would notify, say, the messenger client when new messages arrived.
 
$1000 per server, and $100 per seat.
 
8:16 PM
How does one specify in the needs header that r3 is required?
 
Written up a quick document on my MATCH function: Using Match
@GrahamChiu Needs: [2.99.0]
 
thanks
This is my current iteration of my Bootstrap dialect. I have no idea if it can be generalised to other than the starter template!
Needs a bit of a tidy up to name locals etc.
@rgchris I take it your colouriser does not pretty print as well ?
 
I don't have my colouriser hooked up to my personal web site :(
Which I need to move.
 
8:34 PM
I've got

parse [ script: %somefilename ] [ to-set-word! set filename file! ]
How to capture the "script:" ?
parse [ script: %somefilename ] [ set type to-set-word! set filename file! ]
won't work
 
@GrahamChiu parse [script: %somefilename] [set type set-word! set filename file!] ?
 
Yes, you're not going to be able to tell [script:] from any other set-word.
 
@HostileFork ok, that works
 
Ugh, scuppered by the 'some parse change. Sucks.
 
just shows how little I work with parse
 
8:46 PM
Need a 'take keyword in parse.
 
I do like that R3 can do this

set 'path/to/word value

which we couldn't do in R2
 
Need: [some [set foo take string! (use foo) | skip]]
In a sense, it advances the position (we're closer to the end).
Is the whole 'protecting us when we don't advance position' really necessary?
 
Bo is asking what the compiler directive is to output to Rasp Pi for red/system
Anyone know?
I think this is the first time I've seen this static.red-lang.org/red-system-specs-light.html
 
9:07 PM
@GrahamChiu @DocKimbel might. :-)
 
Ah.. it's

do/args %rsc.r "-t RTFM %tests/hello.reds"
 
That's a bit unkind.
 
@rgchris How so?
 
RTFM—he was only asking...
 
@rgchris the point is that there is no "manual"
 
9:27 PM
match remove [form %some.cgi post][
    method: opt 'get | 'post
    action: file! | url!
    accepts: opt string!
]
 
@rgchris looks good.
 
Thks, good to get these things written down every now and again :)
 
10:37 PM
@dt2 @dt2, did you mean that you could run Rebol in the hosted Cloud9? If so, did you mean by wrapping it up as a node package?
 
10:57 PM
@Adrian which codeblocks install were you using? the one including mingw, or the one without?
 
with
I have the project working now, though
 
ok. i just updated the wip-cmake branch so that visual studio builds should work as well.
 
in the end, it was enough to use $(MAKE) for the recursive make calls
 
just as i suggested :)
 
and pass in CC
yeah, like that. I had already done that, but I was redundantly passing in MAKE from CB
 
11:01 PM
in any case, i also rebased wip-cmake to before the signbit stuff was introduced. so you'll not need the workaround with it.
 
k, thanks - what are you planning on doing with that branch, btw?
 
keeping it up to date with mainline, for a while.
eventually it will allow to generate codeblocks, eclipse, visual studio, xcode projects, so i'm sure some will find it useful :)
there's another advantage at the moment, the dependencies of the make prep step are resolved and made explicit. so the cmake build should just do the right thing automatically if you update mezzanine sources.
 
well, I think it would be useful to put some ready-made projects for the official source for the common IDEs on your build page
 
those projects typically depend on cmake
 
for now, I can give you the CB project file
 
11:06 PM
ah, you mean manually build project files.
 
as I have done, yes
 
well, i'm quite wary about that, as they quickly become out of sync and then do more harm than good.
 
for anyone who wants to start hacking on the official source
how would it get out of sync if it used the official make file?
at worst it would not show all the source files in the project tree, but building should work
 
if that's possible, that would reduce the out-of-sync potential significantly
but i think that's mostly an eclipse/codeblocks special case.
 
well, that's what I have now - only thing is that the makefile needs the few mods
 
11:08 PM
what else besides the $(MAKE) do you need?
 
$(MAKE) and LS to be passed in
let me check
 
and passing of CC as well, i assume
 
yes, but actually the latter two don't need a makefile change
they're part of the CB project file
 
hmm, but the makefile ignores/overrides pre-defined CC and LS
would at least need a change to CC?=..., no?
 

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