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12:03 AM
Well, I made this room only to show there's some nicety to it and SO is kinda on-the-ball and more agile than AltME. Plus I think that their Q&A is a better (more public) forum for Rebol questions which might be asked.
With versioning on the edits of your questions or answers. It's nice. You have to use it to know it's there.
 
I going to do some advertising here.
 
You mean pay SO for ads?
 
If anyone needs to do any serious programming ... I suggest using Leo
 
They do free ads for open source.
 
My source code is now 4Mb ... and leo handles it just fine.
 
12:06 AM
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So, if you haven't tried Leo for managing source code ... give it a go! :)
( written in Python .. and Qt )
 
Looking...
 
up to 93,000 LOC
 
I'd probably have to use it to grasp, have you tried GitHub's comments on lines of code (either those removed or added)
 
No ..
What other tools do people use to manage large Rebol projects?
 
12:12 AM
Well if Rebol folks don't whine and moan about some adverse or frustrating part of Git :) and keep up with it, then I think people will be able to experience that.
I really haven't had the pleasure of working with others lately, because, well, I guess I'm hard to work with. :) But when I have, it's been via GitHub, so that's what I know.
It really is a step forward compared to the not-so-distant past.
But as slick as they are, not open source... yet. Their competitor gitorious can be installed on any server easily and does everything they do pretty much. Albeit, less slickly.
 
I think that would very useful... to somehow link Leo nodes into a Git repository
so that each function could be in repository
maybe I need to install gitorious and ask the Leo Author to support this
I think he uses bzr
when you have a couple of 1000 functions it becomes a little tricky to manage
so instead of looking to see if i've written it before I just write it again :(
 
Gitorious is a bit of a hassle compared to github. I'd be happier if github exported the metadata, the line comments on pull requests and checkins and they were compatible... :(
I mentioned that I do think they are good folks and ready to compete on their merits, so you might well see them providing such exports.
Rebol tests on GitHub, Rebol host kit on GitHub, and word is the mezzanine soon.
I'm kind of excited about this. Guess my bar for excitement is kind of low. :)
 
lol
Andreas has all of his stuff on Github
And I put my R3 protocols on GitHub at the beginning of this year
but yes, it's a big thing that RT is now using a non Rebol product to host its source code
15 Rebol projects now on Github
including 4 of mine, and 2 of yours!
 
12:28 AM
@GrahamChiu did i get that right, your synapse/emr stuff has 93k lines of rebol code?
 
more
that was just for the client
 
amazing
daring
 
there's also a server
 
brave!
 
lol
 
12:29 AM
guess that makes you the biggest commercial rebol deployment, at least measured in loc
 
Reichart says no ... Qtask is bigger!
but of course you can't download Qtask
 
possibly, yes
 
Mine is course available for download
 
but i've no experience qith qtask
with*
s/w/g/g
(would be funny if substitutes worked :)
but if you've got a 100k+ loc webapp, i certainly wouldn't envy you
 
it's like altme on oestrogens
 
12:33 AM
would be interesting to see how large the rebol.org script library is
 
the code behind the script library or the library scripts?
 
code behind it
 
I think Sunanda published some statistics on that ... and mine is way larger
 
not surprising
 
unhappily my progress has slowed ... I can only manage a page of code a day recently
 
12:36 AM
vanilla is 6k loc :)
rebol code, that is. no html or stuff
 
and how are you managing it?
apart from giving it to summer students?
 
with a linux shell, a good editor and git
 
Fork thinks it's freaky to use Rebol
ONC, which is a govt dept, has estimated that to get a previously uncertified EMR up to standard will cost $4.8M
 
I'd say using Rebol is a symptom of... well, antisocial tendencies.
 
using Rebol ... it's going to take me a couple of months spare time work
 
12:40 AM
For all its technical merit, it is isolating. It doesn't have to be like that.
 
So, why should I move to a mainstream language??
ie. I am saving myself $4.8M in development costs
now that's freaky!
 
I'm not telling you to, but... I think Rebol needs to get a bit of a clue in terms of understanding why sophomoric linguistic systems have caught on so strongly.
 
or $4.7M :)
just because you don't bill yourself for the "couple of months spare time" doesn't mean they are "free"
 
That clue has to do with basic, basic things. Like making the homepage not look like it's a corporate reseller of several disparate products.
 
Say I pay myself $10k a month, that's only $20k
 
12:42 AM
i think the look of proglang homepages is highly overrated
nobody really cares
 
I have one developer who said it took 50k LOC to parse the CCR and produce one ...
 
hehehe
 
I'm guessing it took me a less than 2k of Rebol LOC
 
There was an interesting post, a blog post which URL I cannot offhand locate...
 
CCR = continuity of care record, it's a ASTM XML standard
 
12:43 AM
Rebol vs alternative languages
And it was showing how you could in Rebol get case conditions out of a URL read, it was in the comments, maybe you saw this
 
No ...
 
Recent. Anyway, I think Rebol hasn't really gone for the jugular in terms of "this is how what's going on here is different"...
Okay, I'll dig.
 
Pity we can't read XSDs automatically
Have to manually interpret them
 
well, you could write an XSD reader :)
/parser
 
it's not just parsing XSD, it's implementing what you find!
 
12:48 AM
Graham, is that the "Leo" you were referring to above: webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/screen-shots.html
well, guess there's not much you can find from an xsd :)
you can do validation
and you can do some automagic object de/serialisation
--
 
Yes, that's the LEO
 
google's version is a restricted version
it only implements half
of the ASTM standard
 
mhm, says "subset" at the top
well, i'm sure you'll have loads of fun in the months to come :)
 
and their exacttime is wrong... they should be using iso8601 dates
Mine is done!
 
12:52 AM
seems they use iso8601 dates
but iso8601 is also known as "the standard of 48 date formats!" :)
 
for exactdatetime I see yyyy-mm-dd
missing timezone and minutes/hours
 
sure ..but then look at the examples they give!
 
<ExactDateTime>2007-04-04T07:00:17Z</ExactDateTime>
ah yes, in the payers example they are using shortened dates
 
sadly I can't paste ... to show you
so, see that they don't even follow their own specs
One of the big advantages I see for Rebol is that code is data
 
1:09 AM
Any other advantages?
BTW, Leo has REBOL source code colouring .. though it probably needs updating
 
1:40 AM
93k LOC over 4 years is only 63 LOC/day
 
 
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6:43 AM
@earl Size of REBOL.org (as of a few years back) plus a script that tries to derive meaningful numbers that could form the basis of discussing how large an app is: rebol.org/aga-display-posts.r?post=r3wp146x3028
 
7:34 AM
I've had two years since then to increase my code base
 
 
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11:25 AM
Pretty much the only Rebolers who can post here are those on SO .. and pretty much all of us are on Altme!
 
 
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7:53 PM
Not sure about the channel description. Something with a more positive spin would be nice.
 
 
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8:57 PM
@GreggIrwin Agreed......I'd prefer something more like a slight expansion of the description on REBOL.com: "a lightweight dynamically typed computer language with advanced semantics"
 
9:50 PM
blame fork
 

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