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21:28
Hi Makoto, I wanted to ask you about your opinion on a facet of chatgpt, and thought it might be better here than in comments below your post. Specifically with regards to the co author bullet point.
Do you think that there is path towards integrating snippets from chatgpt if they were properly sourced and composed only a minor portion of the post?
You pointed to this in your post:
Which does include a path towards citation.
It seems that citing it would alleviate a large portion of concern, and also allow users to identify the source so they can evaluate it with more skepticism
If you would rather I post this on meta as a question I can as well
Thanks for tagging me on this. Give me a bit to peruse this comment thread and I'll let you know my thoughts!
yeah sure :)
I suppose my sentiment to it is still more borne from the "wanting to help" angle. I think that people who want to help will attempt to put snippets from ChatGPT into their answer and cite that
That satisfies ChatGPT
but if the answer is wrong or incoherent then...what's the recourse?
I guess that gets into the portion of content produced. If half of the post is chatgpt, hopefully it is offset at least by an explanation. Certainly the code chatgpt produces is awful, but the explanations behind the intent of why it produced that code are often good stepping stones.
It is rarely incoherent, which is inherently problematic, as it feels like it just bold faced lies to you when its wrong. A good example I found was asking for the top 5 players who scored more than 50 points in a basketball game.
It jumbles the numbers every time.
Hopefully the poster will at least realize its wrong though, if it is being included as a sidebar instead of as the entirety of the content
21:44
Ooh, I dunno about that one.
My faith in that sentiment isn't quite so strong. Given that people copy and paste from the site, people won't really take the time to invest in figuring out those stepping stones and getting to a more complete answer.
To put it more precisely, there's a high likelihood that someone will take the first result they get from ChatGPT and just run with it
(insert blurb about fit for use here) but still.
Which gets me back to the "want to help" angle. People want to help, which is good. Are they equipped to validate and correct answers from ChatGPT at scale? I'm not so sure.
Wouldn't that turn into a curation nightmare? Or an answer seeker's waking nightmare?
Me either, which is kind of why I was curious what your opinion was
Fair point :)
This originated from thinking we should issue stronger bans for users posting chatgpt content and not citing it
Ahh, so passing off the robot's words as their own
But then it sort of dove tailed into wondering if citing it led to some sort of acceptable use somewhere
21:47
I mean, that's practically plagiarism to begin with so I'd presume that's kinda covered
Citing it...I mean like I say, I could see it but then it's a matter of, don't just cite it and take it verbatim, actually check it for correctness
and would people do that on enough of a scale that it'd be a suitable policy?
hmm, on the flip side, is remixing chatgpt content bannable? at least with this it would be disclosed
one of openai's bullet points for use is:
> The role of AI in formulating the content is clearly disclosed in a way that no reader could possibly miss, and that a typical reader would find sufficiently easy to understand.
actually
hmm.
Lemme check that license again.
I think CC-by-SA doesn't play nice with this
> Adapted Material means material subject to Copyright and Similar Rights that is derived from or based upon the Licensed Material and in which the Licensed Material is translated, altered, arranged, transformed, or otherwise modified in a manner requiring permission under the Copyright and Similar Rights held by the Licensor. For purposes of this Public License, where the Licensed Material is a musical work, performance, or sound recording, Adapted Material is always produced where the Licensed Material is synched in timed relation with a moving image.
IANAL (obviously) but the way I'm reading it is the same gut feeling I've had with it. If it's not yours you can't license it or redistribute it.
Just so I'm not being dense, that is to say that you believe remixing chatgpt and posting it without citation is licensing material under a looser restriction than its original license?
I am not entirely sure how you intended the license to apply sorry
Right.
CC-by-SA I think is a very liberal and open license and the ChatGPT terms of use are a lot more narrow and strict
If it is cited though, then does that apply still?
21:58
If it's remixed - as in, if the code used from the generator was modified to make it less obvious that it was from ChatGPT - wouldn't that violate ChatGPT's terms?
(these are open questions, we probably could use someone with legal knowledge around to answer these reliably :D )
yeah, my legalese is mostly just based on interpretation and reading more than authoring documents
Maybe a similar circumstance would be one's employer's code. There's a reason to post a question about code you're working on to Stack Overflow but if your employer finds out and is upset about it, it has to get redacted
So you need some kind of express permission to do so, either implied or explicit
openai says in their sample blurb author reviewed, edited, and revised the language to their own liking and takes ultimate responsibility for the content of this publication, doesn't that mean they allow the transfer of ownership so long as its disclosed where it was obtained?
I wonder...
I don't think it transfers ownership though
they need a better tos doc
22:01
Yes, agreed!!
this single page thing is wonky lol
No kidding.
Lemme think on this a bit more, I have a meeting here momentarily
okay, this was certainly more time than I had intended
let me know :)

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