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01:44
Ohmygod I just passed Jon Skeet on the rankings -random-
Yes, yes you did.
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Q: Is the moderator diamond live or archived?

KolinkOkay, the question title sucks but I can't think of the right words XD Basically what I'm asking is this: Let's say by some freak miracle I am elected a moderator. Will the moderator diamond be visible on all my previous posts and activity as a part of my profile, or will it only be shown alongs...

Hmmm... the thing I was curious about is do all of our past delete votes then become permanent (can't undelete things deleted by a moderator), or only the ones you actually cast as a moderator?
@animuson Hmmm, I think it's the latter
But I can't be sure. You can try asking on MSO
@animuson Edited your question into mine.
01:58
marked as duplicate by random♦ 8 mins ago
This question has been asked before and already has an answer. If those answers do not fully address your question, please ask a new question.
Let's track down a question deleted by a no-longer-moderator and see what happens! :P
Deleted by two Shogs? :o
Although you can't tell, the first one's additionally crazy because that first vote predated the second by three years - during which time, the question was re-opened and then closed again.
Although, I was referring to cases where the question had already been deleted. I'm assuming that the fact there's now a diamond in the delete event doesn't affect the ability for others to undelete it?
@animuson Try undeleting this one - two diamonds on it, neither had mod privs when they voted.
Nope, doesn't let me.
02:25
@animuson Now try this one
Negative as well.
Works. Although I hope I don't somehow become responsible for that getting undeleted.
@animuson Now try this one (that other test was bogus)
(I think we've pretty much nailed down the criteria here, but... For the sake of completeness)
It works.
Ok. So posts are undelete-locked as long as there's an active moderator in the list of folks who deleted it.
Is this all by-design or am I playing guinea pig here?
02:29
Who knows?
I would tend to guess "no", but then I doubt anyone put a ton of thought into that particular restriction anyway.
02:40
@Shog9 Yeah, that's been a long-standing rule. Only mods can undelete Q that mods deleted.
03:04
Ugh. I just lost a month of work because I forgot that I needed git reset and not git rm :|
I didn't have the files committed yet either. Let's pray to god I can recover it
how can you do that?
did you look under "version control" or whatever MS calls it?
Recovery programs. I'm on a mac. I booted into my bootcamp partition and praying that I can find an app to recover it.
stupid mac
me hate mac
03:07
No, stupid git
Well, long as you don't override the disconnected bytes on the harddrive, you have a chance
I do have a chance. I'm gonna sleep and hopefully the files will be there tomorrow.
Good idea.
it's GMT -5? So it's 10:09?
he already left :|
03:55
@Sathya Good Morning
buddy
04:11
Oooo, my vote count is currently my birth year (1991).
@gk1017 morning
04:36
@Sathya :) joined here to support you
Good luck :)
@gk1017 thanks!
@Sathya welcome :)
05:27
Sathya sathya sathya :P
05:54
please send a link for vote
Please check room description.
 @UTC 06:03
  1. Andrew Barber        [ 3736] ( 21k rep, 9260 helpful flags)
  2. Flexo                [ 2874] ( 28k rep, 7390 helpful flags)
  3. minitech             [ 2324] ( 57k rep, 3206 helpful flags)
  4. animuson             [ 2010] ( 14k rep, 1593 helpful flags)
  5. Gordon               [ 1938] (110k rep,  563 helpful flags)
  6. ChrisF               [ 1734] ( 60k rep,  434 helpful flags)
  7. Lord Torgamus        [ 1544] (  7k rep,  573 helpful flags)
  8. bluefeet             [ 1444] ( 55k rep, 1311 helpful flags)
@Sathya all the best
06:13
@Hardik thanks
tbh I don't think it's going to matter anyway - need 400+ votes to move to top 10
@Sathya yes I support you as i can...
06:43
@RichardJ.RossIII I support you as i can
07:29
@pavitra thanks, but i don't think im making it past the primary :)
Uh oh, the barber is in the house.
Okie doke; Apologies folks, but I'm here to enter my replies for the chat! bwahahahahaaa!!!!
That is, as soon as I find out where it started...
You can always just use the stars list. You don't have to answer them in any particular order.
The Stars List! That sounds like something I would be in!
Oh, wait... uhhh...
I'm not letting the primary get to my head... I'm not letting the primary get to my head... I'm not letting the primary get to my head...
I'm not letting the scissors get to my head...
07:33
That's a fine idea there.
So, all of the questions to answer were starred in the Town Hall chat?
Yep. All are in bold and starred.
Excellent, Smithers!
@AndrewBarber yeah you could start from
in Town Hall Chat, 11 hours ago, by Grace Note
Welcome to the Spring February 2013 Stack Overflow Moderator Election Town Hall Chat
Says the guy who hasn't watched that show in approximately 13 years...
just in case you aren't familiar with the process
07:47
I was looking at the starred list, but I think it might feel more natural if I do them in the order they were posted.
08:19
Amazed at the number of votes...had no idea so many people would be active for the election
Oh, I was extremely confused for a moment because the window dinged me for a notification but I had no green bubble. o.o
09:07
@asprin One person vote for many candidates. But still many are active in this community.
@asprin One person can vote for many candidates. But still many are active in this community.
@Wooble Yesterday I saw that you were discussing about the wrong reviews, i.e., people are reviewing posts just to increase count and get medals. Is there any step taken against it?
@Freakyuser there are review audits which ban users from reviews if they fail too many times
@Sathya What are the rules regarding that?
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Q: What are review tests (audits) and how do they work?

AshRjI recently received this rather amusing message while reviewing a user's first post: Congratulations! This was only a test, designed to make sure you were paying attention. This post has already been removed, but thanks for taking time to leave feedback for the author. What is t...

Whew; that was fun! All caught up, now!
I'm tired, but going to bed doesn't sound appealing for some reason.
09:21
sleep is for the weak! (Call me a wuss!)
@UTC 9:30
  1. Andrew Barber        [ 3790] ( 21k rep, 9260 helpful flags)
  2. Flexo                [ 2919] ( 28k rep, 7390 helpful flags)
  3. minitech             [ 2364] ( 57k rep, 3206 helpful flags)
  4. animuson             [ 2053] ( 14k rep, 1600 helpful flags)
  5. Gordon               [ 1968] (110k rep,  563 helpful flags)
  6. ChrisF               [ 1757] ( 60k rep,  434 helpful flags)
  7. Lord Torgamus        [ 1569] (  7k rep,  573 helpful flags)
  8. bluefeet             [ 1465] ( 55k rep, 1311 helpful flags)
Just found a little astroturf ring, I think:
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Q: How to Install Magento Facebook store extension for Magento eCommerce?

Suteki Da NeHow to Install Facebook store extension for Magento eCommerce?

That was fast. o.o Yet my custom flag has been sitting in the queue for 7 hours. C'mon.
@animuson But that post was only made less than an hour ago. Or.. umm.. are you talking abotu something else?
A custom flag I submitted for deletion of one of my questions, since it won't let me delete it. I figured that would be an easy flag. xP
09:33
Ahhh! Well, maybe soon. Bwahahahaaa!!
Sorry, we're too busy trying to get Andrew up to 10k as quickly as possible
@BoltClock haha! I've done the math; without a major spam-ring, I don't see any way I can do it by the time of the election. sniff
@AndrewBarber Did you notice my edit: stackoverflow.com/posts/15266143/revisions
@Andrew we need to go to the darkest holes of the Internet... 4chan shudder
(that's a post you just commented on)
09:38
Yes. But somebody came and, without understanding the problem, started to insult me that I downvote, and I received many negative votes. The person who answered received many positive votes, even if he did understand that his answer was not what I asked. I got angry, and the moderators did not act more than removing the insults . After 1 week some of them removed the post. It was much tension there.
haha! "You make it sound like a bad thing"!
Seriously
@alinsoar Sorry, what is that about?
@BoltClock: I see you enjoyed deleting all the link-only answers from that new user. :P
I looked at his profile because he was trying to edit them into posts via suggested edits too. >_>
@animuson Which new user? :P
09:41
@animuson Ugh... I hate people who try to edit their links into other answers. Even more than I hate plain-old spammers.
> Working @ Samsung as a Project Lead for Android Smartphones Development.
Believable
2 days ago, by alinsoar
I wish that the new administrators deal better with such problems that made lot of tension
@AndrewBarber It's sadder when the suggestion was on the question you just posted the link as an answer to...
hahaha... (sad laugh, followed by a head shake)
Andrew? Is that you with the spam flags?
09:46
Umm... who, me, flagging spam? whistles at the sky
Hey, ChrisF! @BoltClock is accusing me of flagging spam! How dare he! ;-)
Well are you?
Ummm, well; yes.
I don't see much spam on SO partly because I don't go hunting for it, but mainly because it's dealt with so quickly by other users like yourself.
Well, the New Answers to Old Questions is an absolute gold mine of Spam and Not an Answer stuff. Going through about twenty of the 25 pages is plenty to exhaust one's 50+ mod flags and burn a lot of spam flags. It's low-handing fruit, without the 'cheating' of using the previously-flagged queue
I haven't seen much spam on Meta lately. How am I supposed to raise my Meta flag count if no one ever spams???
09:51
hehe, @animuson I think I have like 10 helpful flags on Meta!
I have 96 :/
Low Handling = Low Hanging.
I should have mis-typed "Love Handling" instead.
@AndrewBarber Though that queue is usually stuck at 0 for me - which is why I say it seems to be dealt with before I get up in the morning.
http://stackoverflow.com/tools/new-answers-old-questions
Oh, not the queue; the 10k tools list.
(though that queue, when it came out, was the first one I got my gold badge for, I think)
Ha, I was just looking for it in there because I figured you meant a tool. Never looked at those tiny links at the bottom before...
We know your secrets now!!
09:53
Yeah; it seems pretty well hidden for such a useful list!
@AndrewBarber Ah. I have problems with those queues. The page takes ages to load.
And they are too well hidden.
@ChrisF I've seen those meta posts about that. It does take a second or two to load for me, but I've never seen anything as bad as some have said there.
How long does an answer stay in that list?
Fun fact: I have handled more flags than Shog9 on MSO
@animuson The list always shows the last 25 pages of answers, even after they are deleted. It's not based on answerer's reputation, either (which catches a lot of 'older' users who suddenly start spamming their new product)
Something many may not know: In addition to flagging a lot of spam, I also leave lots of comments and do edits for users who post useful answers, but happen to also post links to their blogs for reference. If the only thing they are missing in a good answer is the disclosure, I add it and let them know it's required.
10:05
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Q: Advert to the election on the mobile site too

insertusernamehereThe information that there's an election at the moment is quiet present on the full Stack Overflow site: But when browsing mobile you'll not even notice that something is going on, except you switch to the full site or a page where the full site is always triggered like About. I guess it's a ...

@AndrewBarber My first reaction is to comment on link only answers too.
I wish I had the time mood to do that
@ChrisF Yup; well, with link only (not spam) answers, if they are recent, I definitely comment with a pro-forma one. But if they are older, maybe not so much. Or I'll comment and flag. But if the link-only is self-promotional with no disclosure, and no useful info in the answer, that's an easy spam flag.
Check out this guy's answers - stackoverflow.com/users/1202172/danijel
It's very edifying when I leave a comment like those, and get a "thanks for the notice! I'll keep that in mind!" reply.
@ChrisF Definitely looks like a lot of spam there, and a couple OK ones. Probably a good bit of questions that need closing, too. If there is a halfway-decent answer (shows examples, for instance) to a 'shopping' question, I usually only work on closing/deleting the question. (that's one of the main reasons I 'favorite' questions.
10:13
@ChrisF They sound a bit off to me ;)
Err... that wasn't meant as a 'lesson' or anything, just a bit of a peek into the Evil Flagging Mind of Andrew Barber. ;-)
Anyone Knows Sql 2 create random number ?
Okkkkkk off to bed o.o
@RenjithJR This isn't really the right chatroom for such a question. Maybe try a SQL-related room?
@animuson Night!
@AndrewBarber Renjith is quite the pest on chat.SO
@ChrisF Not something for a mod to handle, is it?
10:18
@BoltClock I would know that, if I ever spent time in chat ;)
@AndrewBarber He also dumped the same question in the C++ room.
It didn't last very long. :P
@Mysticial Do you guys miss me yet? I should head over
@Mysticial Oooh. Maybe Javascript is next?
@BoltClock Yes we miss you.
@BoltClock A lot of answers all just linking to apparently his own product. No explanations or disclosure. I've been flagging as spam, but if you want to go nuclear feel free.
10:21
@BoltClock Yup, what ChrisF said. I haven't flagged any yet, and will refrain. Gotta give someone else a chance! (I'm really, really taking this flag count thing too far! lol)
@AndrewBarber You think we aren't?
@BoltClock Aren't flagging, refraining, giving someone else a chance, or taking the flag count thing too far?
@AndrewBarber The latter :P
I'm flagging your chat message as "Not a Real Question"
@BoltClock Yes, I think you aren't. Or aren't not. Or are. Or aren't not taking it far enough. Or... ummm..
10:46
Well; time for me to turn into a pumpkin!
Do you work a night shift?
11:13
@ChrisF I'm self-employed for now, and a big-time night owl.
Fair enough. I just noticed your appearance on site didn't gel with you living in the States, unless you were up all night.
Yup, that's me! :)
12:13
This is a beauty to behold.
Wow what an answer. Couldn't restrain myself from laughing.
12:30
@ChrisF I was going to comment with "iiiiii...", since that's clearly the correct response.
12:42
You guys are so insensitive. What if he typed that while he was dying?
@Wooble If that was the case, he would have typed something more like, "gggaaaakkkkk!!!"
 
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14:38
hai guise
@RocketHazmat Hai!
@Kolink I just had my coffee, time to get to work
@RocketHazmat Wish I could have coffee. If I boil water it'll wake my wife and she won't be happy XD I really need an office, it's not good for my productivity to have a wife hovering over my shoulder half the time.
@Kolink I'm the opposite. I have an office, but no wife >.> Also, I bought my coffee from Tim Hortons. Also, it was a latte.
@RocketHazmat I usually avoid buying my coffee pre-made. It's much cheaper to make your own from instant coffee and I personally can't tell the difference (but then again I can't tell the difference between Pepsi and Coke...)
14:44
@Kolink My office does have an espresso machine. I should learn to use it ^^
ohhai! haha
I was casting my votes in the election, and I feel bad down-voting people V_V
may as well but in, but at my office we've tried every single local coffee shop and have managed to narrow down exactly which one is the best from which we all buy coffee each morning now. Expensive, but 100% worth it for the convenience and quality.
@Mikey Hooray for helping the local coffee shops :)
@Mikey Out of curiosity, which shop is it?
15:17
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Q: Update moderator election post comment notification link

Raghav SoodEver since the Primary voting started, the inbox notification links for comments on nominations is broken. Clicking on the notification used to take you directly to the candidates nomination post with the comments enabled, but it now defaults to the candidates post in the primary tab, without c...

 
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17:06
Totally unrelated, but have you guys had SO points subtracted for no apparent reason?
@Ancientar Usually happens when an old post is removed. You can see it if you go to your profile's reputation tab
@RaghavSood Should it be visible at the top of the list in the reputation tab?
@RaghavSood Because it isn't :s
I don't recall. Hasn't happened to me in a while. I think it shows up as Post removed or something
@RaghavSood Oh yeah, I see now. That was the case.
@Ancientar Have you ticked the "show removed posts" option at the bottom of the reputation tab?
17:13
@ChrisF Yeah, thats how I just found it. A mod had removed my post. Strange though, because I get a lot of traffic through that post to my blog. The general answer was too big to fit in an answer, so I made a 2 part tutorial on it. They prob dont like that. Which is understandable, but still.. It does help A LOT of people.
@RaghavSood See my last comment
@Ancientar It's a tricky one that. You need to provide an actual answer on site. By all means post a link to your blog (clearly marked as your blog) as backup/reference, but the answer should stand on its own.
@ChrisF I understand!
JNK
JNK
17:48
@Ancientar The concern there is that your blog goes offline or links change and then the answer is useless
18:01
Honestly if the question requires a 2-part tutorial to answer, it was probably badly scoped to begin with.
Is the helpful flag count SO + MSO, or just SO?
Just SO
19:07
@BoltClock please read my previous post from yesterday.
19:30
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Q: February 2013 Moderator Election - Town Hall Chat Digest

Tim StoneThe following is a "digest" version of the 2013 Moderator Election Town Hall Chat. The format, as described on Meta Stack Overflow, is one answer to this question for every question asked in the Town Hall, containing all the candidate's answers to that question. To view the digest chronologicall...

 @UTC 19:30 (right after Town Hall Chat digest posted)
  1. Andrew Barber        [ 3971] ( 21k rep, 9328 helpful flags)
  2. Flexo                [ 3074] ( 28k rep, 7390 helpful flags)
  3. minitech             [ 2487] ( 57k rep, 3214 helpful flags)
  4. animuson             [ 2179] ( 14k rep, 1601 helpful flags)
  5. Gordon               [ 2088] (110k rep,  563 helpful flags)
  6. ChrisF               [ 1826] ( 60k rep,  478 helpful flags)
  7. Lord Torgamus        [ 1654] (  7k rep,  573 helpful flags)
Ouch, dropped a spot. Not that this has any effect on my outcome at all.
19:43
Wow, I made it to 17th! After being stuck at 19th for the entire election so far, this is quite overwhelming XD
@Wooble Oh wait, I just bumped you down. Sorry!
hee hee. congrats. at least I wasn't bumped out of 10th; that would hurt.
@Kolink, why do you want the position anyway?
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A: February 2013 Moderator Election - Town Hall Chat Digest

Tim Stone Neal asked: What drives you to want to be a moderator for Stack Overflow? Raghav Sood answered: I have learnt a lot from this community. While I may not have too many questions, I have found a lot of solutions by reading questions posted by other users. I want to give back to and help maint...

@Shog9, @ThiefMaster, @AnnaLear, one of the current mods should take of him: stackoverflow.com/questions/15280334/…
destroyed
19:50
@ThiefMaster, thanks, and you probably meant the account.
> I can create accounts all day long to post garbage and tell the moderators to F Off.
And yet the moderators are somehow the ones with no life?
@gdoron no, the diamond mod tools include drones.
@AnnaLear, thought the same thing. stupid kid.
@Kolink, I read your answer, but you even now have mods "power" but you don't seem to use it... why?
@LordTorgamus w00t top 25 ^_^
19:53
@gdoron Specifically what are you referring to? Votes? Flags?
@Kolink, votes, edits, reviews, flags, what not?
@gdoron It's a little diffcult to answer the question if I don't know which part your criticising me for...
I don't do a lot either (except of the votes, which I think use important as a human) but I don't want to be a mod.
@Kolink, I meant, all those things in the list.
I realise that when I nominated myself I didn't have the best flag count, but I have since more than quadupled it.
I'm also regularly in the Review area...
Gotta go, back soon.
I am not sure who is downvoting things on the digest @TimStone. Odd.. What could be the reason?
20:01
"I disagree with the premise of this question"? "Every candidate answered this horribly"?
@Wooble ehhh. fishy nonetheless :-P
@DoubleAA As far as on the answers here? I'm not sure...I'm inclined to think that most people vote on whether or not they think the question was useful to be answered, but I have nothing to say it's not the responses being voted on instead. — Tim Stone Jul 20 '12 at 18:11
shrugs
20:20
So few particpate in the election, it's weird as there are so many users, and SE put a lot of focus on it. I guess no body really care.
I downvote the ones that I think weren't good questions... like that Joe thing...
20:54
Can anyone share the election ordering script?
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Q: Sort by vote tally in the election primaries

user147519I think it'd be nice to have the option to sort the nominees by the current vote tally during the primaries. I can see having a random order when the page loads, but it would be great if we could easily see who's in the lead. I'm can do it easily enough like this: var posts = $('.vote-count-po...

21:11
At least 4207 people have voted in the primary so far (my total of up/down votes). I wonder what percentage of active members with 150+ rep that is.
How are you defining "active" for the purposes of this question?
Probably the easiest would be anyone who has been on the site and performed any activity at all during the process.
Although the 'performed any activity' probably skews it.
Hmph. Easy for someone, not for me. Super rough estimate: there have been almost 210k Yearling badges awarded, so even if you assume that all Yearling holders are three-year recipients -- which would surely lead to an underestimate -- that's 70k eligible voters.
@LordTorgamus OK; that's at least a rough number to bounce thoughts off.
Sort of like bouncing a tennis ball off the wall while deep in thought. Except with fewer 'thump' sounds. Or more.
Well, numbers are available for past elections... in election three, 60k eligible voters visited SO while the election was on, 19.5k visited the election page itself and 4.5k voted. In election two, it was 45k, 18k and 5k. In election one, 44k total eligible voters (though not all visited the site), 14k and 5k.
21:21
Ah ha! Silly me; I didn't think of checking out old data.
So I guess roughly a third of the eligible actives bother visiting the election at all.
More for the first election, decreasing since then.
And then a fourth of those people cast votes. Not sure if that means primaries, final round or both.
That's not actually too bad from what I would guess. I would think there would be a major 'meh' factor for the run-of-the-mill site user.
At 4.2k and change primary votes, you've probably attracted a vote in some direction from most people who bothered to participate in the election at all.
Assuming the trend shown by these few, few data points holds.
Probably a large percentage, yeah. Maybe 90-ish, if I had to take a wild guess.
Now all I need to do is find out who those 107 (at last check) are, and hunt them down.
Will you just split into four people and win this whole thing already so I can stop thinking about this election all the time?
21:26
I don't think I could win if I did that! At least, not all four of me!
And I can take rejection OK, but rejection in lieu of another of myself? That would be too much, I think. Plus, the other three would know my password.
JNK
JNK
21:49
@AndrewBarber Latest SEDE data indicates 138k eligible voters
114k have been active in 2013
96k since election started
that number may be low since the data is cached
@JNK Interesting data. Clearly, I have not campaigned enough! Who wants to come to a $500/plate fundraiser tonight? I'm serving Chicken McNuggets.
JNK
JNK
so our participation rate is around 4% based on the 96k
22:23
Well, I'm off to see that silly wizard again! ta ta for now, all!
22:34
@AndrewBarber Grrrrrr, now I have that song stuck in my head. You will pay for this!
23:03
@animuson Do you take BitCoin?
@animuson drop into the PHP room then. Apparently, it's Friday.
Finally killed all 200 flying rats. :D
@animuson Dinner time, then?
Well, according to the final message in the game (after you kill the last one), they're diseased pigeons. So I don't think I'll be eating any of them.
If they are pigeons who looked like flying rats, I guess they were diseased!
23:12
Feral Pigeons in cities are commonly known as Flying RatsRobotnik Mar 3 at 22:37
Oh. Right. I knew that. Just testing you...
I have to say that was a pain having to run from the cops after every other one I shot, though. -.- I want my silenced pistol back from Vice City.
oooh... a GTA game? Haven't played any of those in years.
23:58
@Kolink Grind Coffee Cronulla!

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