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8:00 PM
The election has now ended. The winners will be announced shortly.
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that was a fun election!
 
🚽
 
Aww....anti-climactic
 
A short person will announce the winners?
who won the election
 
you can already download the ballots file: stackoverflow.com/election/download-result/13
 
Zoe
8:00 PM
Wait, Shree is still listed as one of my votes xd
 
Geez, Zoe can't be a mod, she was wrong, it was <30k
 
@Scratte Don't ruin my drawn world(((
 
but I don't have openstv installed so i can't really figure out who won from that
 
To answer that question from earlier, an edit made in the last five seconds does NOT save
 
sta
Shree is on my list too
 
8:01 PM
@ElectionBot Yes, the winners will be announced, but stop calling me Shortly.
 
where can the ballot file be found?
 
The BLT (ballot) file can be downloaded as the election has ended. To learn more about it, please read this help article.
 
@DanielWiddis You're going to have to wait.. everyone could vote up until that point. Now the votes needs to be counted by little bits that gets executed once they're done. It's a heartless process.
 
how to open blt file?
 
8:01 PM
Congratulations to the winners Zoe, Stephen Rauch! You can view the results online via OpaVote.
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@Smitop I know, I wrote the function myself :)
@ElectionBot lol
 
@manro Notepad++
 
🍻Congrats Zoe and Stephen Rauch!
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Woo!
 
Zoe
Woo!!
 
8:02 PM
Are you serious?
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apparently?
 
sta
Congrats Zoe & StephenRauch
 
@Dharman Check election page
 
Congrats Zoe
 
@ElectionBot WTF!!!!!
 
8:03 PM
Congrats @Zoe and @StephenRauch !
 
Pap
Congratulations Zoe and Stephen - and thank you all the others for participating.
 
@manro the bot is correct - those are the winners
 
Dharman was 3rd. PLEASE enter the next election
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You're welcome.
 
Congrats @Zoe! :)
 
Zoe
8:03 PM
^^
 
manro, that's not appropriate
 
HEAD~5 ++
 
@Zoe Congrats
 
@Zoe Diamonds are a Girl's best friend! Well done!
 
I don't know how I feel about Stephen...
 
8:04 PM
@Zoe congrats! @StephenRauch - do you know you just won? :)
 
Congrats @Zoe and @StephenRauch
 
He was at the bottom of my ballot (because of the last second nomination), but hey... The people have spoken.
 
@Dharman I saw him here only once
 
@Dharman Hmmm.
 
I think for the next election SE really needs to do something about the candidate score
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8:06 PM
@Dharman I think it's proof of how candidate score is a garbage metric to show
 
The 40-point candidate score is calculated this way: 1 point for each 1,000 reputation up to 20,000 reputation (20 points); and 1 point for each of the 8 moderation, 6 editing, and 6 participation badges (20 points)
 
@ElectionBot Please read the room
 
Zoe
@Nick Kinda been known for ages though
 
I think the Candidate Score (40/40) really helped him
 
Zoe
@KyleWilliamson I'm sus it's a combination of the candidate score and the free publicity from the last minute nomination
 
Pap
8:06 PM
Candidate score should't even exist, if you ask me...
 
i mean
 
without the candidate score people will look at rep
(maybe that's to my advantage..)
 
@Zoe i guess you've already mod. work ongoing. Is there a grace period ?
 
The recent moderator activity specifically would be a more useful metric than rep and what we have now for sure.
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Zoe
8:08 PM
I was expecting more buttons to push, ngl
Ah, right, should've checked my email :p
 
the ignore list grows
 
Both Diamonds are already active.
 
Zoe
The chat caches haven't been kicked yet
 
@Zoe I'm fairly certain you need to accept the moderator agreement before you gain full access to the mod tools. Have you done so already?
 
Just refresh chat.
 
8:09 PM
@Zoe Just refresh the page.
 
:P
 
Zoe
Oh, there it is ^^"
 
I can't believe How is it possible that Stephen was the last choice on many ballots and some even wanted their nomination to be removed, they flagged it and asked mods on Meta to cancel it, and still Stephen got the most votes.
 
Zoe
@Spevacus So was I, but I don't see where
 
Well, he's done over 23,000 reviews?
 
8:10 PM
@Dharman What percentage of eligible voters do you think actually visit meta?
 
yeah, I hope Stephen will be a good mod
 
 
@Zoe celebration time is over... get to work :p
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@KevinB 0.015%?
 
it's just that what Stpehen hasn't done during election doesn't inspire much confidence
 
8:11 PM
Well, keep in mind a good part of Stack Overflow probably does not follow the election process at all and likely just votes for the badge, so superficial indicators probably steer a lot
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shocking. Anyway, @Zoe Now you will have to take care of my flags. How do you feel about that?
 
I'm sorry to interrupt, but... The election has ended. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@ElectionBot when is the next election?
 
It's not my job to please you, no.
 
@Dharman: I voted for you.
 
Zoe
8:12 PM
@JonClements Yep, as soon as I figure out which buttons I can press without burning the site down :p
 
@ElectionBot Who are the current moderators
 
The current 24 moderators are: Aaron Hall, Andy, Baum mit Augen, Bhargav Rao, Bohemian, BoltClock, Brad Larson, ChrisF, Cody Gray, deceze, Flexo, Jean-François Fabre, Jon Clements, josliber, Machavity, Makyen, Martijn Pieters, meagar, Michael Myers, Rob, Ry-, Samuel Liew, Tim Post, Undo
 
@Dharman you inspire me with your dedication on SOCVR and SOBotics! please continue!
 
@Dharman Tá muid leat
 
Pap
Well, I must admit that one of the elected was a... surprise.
 
8:13 PM
@Magisch Zoe won a seat... if I recall correctly.... that means you'd stay around and do some flagging :p
 
@einpoklum And you only voted for one? :)
 
@manro That sounds like Irish, what does it mean?
 
@Pap: How so?
 
Zoe
Doesn't ElectionBot also owe me a meal? :p
 
There will be no such thing as free will; there will only be my will.
 
8:13 PM
@einpoklum Thank you.
 
@Zoe Yes, I remember that.
 
@Dharman We are with you
 
@Dharman Well that's 2 elections in a row I ranked you first but the populace disagreed. Maybe third time will be a charm.
 
@Scratte: Yup.
 
user17242583
I honestly expected Ryan and Dharman to win...I didn't even add Stephen on my list because he skipped the questionnaire...
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Zoe
8:15 PM
@Dharman um, as expected? Handling flags is a major part of the job description
 
@einpoklum My top candidate didn't get a seat either. I feel it too :)
 
Huh? Mods get a free seat now, as well as the jewellery and coffee cup?
 
voted for both and Ryan M
 
@Scratte: TBH, I don't think I know any of the candidates. I think I had some comment interaction with Zoe on MSE, and the others - I can't remember. Maybe I've been moderated by Ryan.
 
@user17242583 I had Stephen as a vote, but after long and careful consideration I did remove it prior to the election ending
 
8:16 PM
@einpoklum That's fair. I know the ones I voted for from chat. So I feel I have insider information.. kind of :)
 
Pap
@einpoklum The questionnaire was essential, the last thing I would expect was someone who skipped it to get elected...
 
Looking in the Ballot file. Why are there ballots with high weights? Is this just how many times this permutation was seen?
 
STV is weird
 
@ErikA , @Scratte : So is it really such a good idea to encourage people to vote for a badge?
 
8:18 PM
I'm 40/40, my answers are here: 2018, I WON
 
@Pap Shows how much people trust it...
 
trust?
 
@spicy.dll Potentially counts of that exact ballot? Haven't looked at the election data format in a while
 
@Pap: In my alma mater's department of CS, common wisdom is that the professor who gets elected as dean is the one whose elections platform is the shortest.
 
@einpoklum Absolutely not. I've been saying this all along. Remove the voting badge.. leave the bronze "I checked out the election page".
 
8:18 PM
@KevinB In that they don't.
 
i don't think it shows that though
 
@spicy.dll That'd be my guess. People get only 1 vote each.
 
@Nick 29 people voted shree, dharman, ryan m, daniel widdis, zoe
in the actual ballot file it looks like this:
 
@VLAZ: Disagree. My assumption would be that there are many voters who vote willy-nilly/arbitrarily/randomly (no offense to the electees).
 
there's... no data there to really say that people didn't trust the questionair or had any other kind of feeling about the questionair. That someone that didn't fill it out got the most votes, more likely says people don't read it, don't read stats in general, and/or just look at the number in the pretty little box
 
8:20 PM
 
@einpoklum Thus they don't care about the questionnaire?
 
Seems likely what I said then
 
@VLAZ: "Don't care" is different than "don't trust"...
 
(almost) each line is a vote, starting with 1 (vote weight = 1) and ending with 0
 
Sure, but all of them could be collapsed into a vote weight of 29 :p
 
8:21 PM
@einpoklum Well, true. I'm also half asleep, so it's the first word that came to mind. I meant to convey that voters do not pay attention to it.
 
the whole thing here is the majority of the people voting don't even know the people they're voting for on a site the size of SO.
 
Is it possible to change the bell sound on a chat mention?
 
Move to a different chat server.
 
Boooo, we're being kicked out
 
wat
 
8:22 PM
Each chat server has a different ping noise.
 
@KevinB but you get a free silver badge
 
Oh, that was an answer to the question, not about the election chat closing early :p
 
@Catija: I don't understand. There are different servers?
 
20 people voted for all candidates in the order that they became candidates
10 in the reverse order
 
There's a userscript to change the sound made by a chat ping: github.com/muru/SEChatSound/blob/master/… (from: stackapps.com/q/2479). You can choose between the pings used on the different chat servers, or use a completely custom MP3.
 
8:24 PM
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@einpoklum Indeed. Chat.so Chat.SE Chat.meta.se
 
Dangit @Slate
 
@KyleWilliamson :)
 
@Catija: But those servers don't have this room...
 
8:26 PM
Keep in mind the main task of a moderator is handling flags, and we have a great moderator team that will probably help educate the new moderators. Even though one was not my favorite choice, I've got 0 indication they'll be poor at the job and sincerely hope they don't feel demotivated by what's being said here. And we already have moderators doing a great job on meta, so being a meta-hound is obviously not a requirement
 
I really hope so too.
 
I think both new moderators will be good at their jobs. The reactions in here were more ones of surprise than of anything else.
 
What about the old moderators, though? Any of them good at their jobs, I wonder?
 
@KevinB You're right, I didn't really know the people nominated. @Dharma swung by one of my posts recently and told me off for adding fluff to my answer - he was still my No.1 lol
 
@CodyGray: You should probably link to the up-to-date fork of the script, at: github.com/muru/SEChatSound/blob/master/…
 
8:30 PM
@CodyGray Why do you think we need new ones ;)
 
@CodyGray Not sure. We needed new ones, no? :P
 
@einpoklum Nope.
 
@einpoklum Is that not linked in the Stack Apps question? If not, the link should be updated there, not in chat.
 
@CodyGray Meh.
 
@CodyGray You are doing an amazing job and you are a great example to the new mods as well as any prospective ones for the future.
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8:31 PM
i knew all but 2, but both of the two were ones i'd vote for anyway given their participation
they just happen to not participate where i do
 
@CodyGray: It's linked in the answer. The one in the question no longer works.
Also, the user script works, but unfortunately the other notification sounds are also very loud. Oh well.
 
Yeah... that's controlled by your speakers, not by chat. Your OS should allow turning down the volume for a particular app? Windows has that, and so do most Linux desktop environments.
 
@CodyGray While it seems like it might be better in the question, given that the original is not supported, Stack Apps generally prefers forks to be listed in answers.
 
@Makyen Yes... new information came to light after I wrote that message, namely that it was a new fork, not merely a dead link...
 
@einpoklum Can't you control the volume from the popup which opens when you click on the speaker icon?
 
8:35 PM
@CodyGray It's a pulse feature even. And that new pulse alternative surely has it too. So doesn't depend on the DE. :)
 
Does everything use PulseAudio?
My primary use of Linux is on embedded systems, so I don't keep up with fancy things like sound or graphics. :-)
 
Next time I will change my name and use a picture of some attractive female model. Maybe it will be more helpful in winning the election than my nomination post.
Anyway, I am back to flagging.
 
@Dharman Worked for Stephen... wait, no, it didn't. So... ?
 
:)
 
you can see all of the ballots cast online with opavote: opavote.com/ballots/5141741653983232/0?p=4
 
Zoe
8:37 PM
@CodyGray Most distros do
AFAIK
 
@CodyGray There's also good old libalsa (still provided by pulse), but not sure what still uses that.
 
@Dharman Cute puppies or kittens would probably be better. :)
 
Ah, actually, yeah, my embedded distros even have libalsa. I didn't realize that was provided by Pulse. I've never actually used the package, so I'm not very familiar with it, other than needing to remove it each time. :-)
 
@Slate That.. was very very sneaky :D
 
I don't have any pets.
 
8:39 PM
@Makyen: No, it only lets me choose when notifications are played.
 
@Scratte What'd you expect from a Corvid?
 
@einpoklum Hmmm... Then that must be another userscript....
checking .... yep.
 
@Makyen: Which?
 
@Scratte I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
 
8:43 PM
@Makyen: Doesn't seem to work on my FF 91.
 
@Slate I was quite upset with you at first :) Until I realized that it wasn't what I thought it was :)
 
You were less upset by being literally tricked than you would be by moving messages?
 
Hahah, I saw :D I'm sorry for the scare
 
@CodyGray Eh, before I spread confusion: There is a the kernel component ALSA, which both the soundserver pulse and the ALSA userspace component libasound build upon. Pulse only needs the kernel part, but also provides libasound for compatibility. See e.g. wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pulse </linux_nerdery>
 
@einpoklum It's worked for me on FF since I installed it a long time ago. It's still working for me on the current FF version. I'll check to see if I changed anything.
 
8:44 PM
@Slate nicely done, I was seconds away from starting spouting expletives intermingled with whining about potentially breaking the bot dashboard :)
 
@BaummitAugen You lie; the Linux nerdery will surely continue!
 
Yeah, but not now and here. =D
 
@Makyen: Thanks for the link though :-)
 
@CodyGray Yes. A lot less :) Points for making me happy that it was a rickroll @Slate ;)
 
What a crazy world we live in.
 
Zoe
8:45 PM
@CodyGray I'd just wike to intewject fow a moment. What you'we wefewwing to as linux, is in fact, gnu/linux, ow as i've wecentwy taken to cawwing it, gnu pwus linux. linux is not an opewating system unto itsewf, but wathew anothew fwee component of a fuwwy functioning gnu system made usefuw by the gnu cowewibs, sheww utiwities and vitaw system components compwising a fuww os as defined by posix. (I had to)
 
@KevinB Continuing your trend of ignoring all moderators as they get elected? :-P
 
eh, on SO it's more the opposite
 
@Zoe is this an uwu thing
or a linux thing
 
currently only have one so mod ignored
 
@OlegValter Don't worry. If I ever do break something horribly, I promise I'll sweep it under the rug as quickly as possible ;)
 
Zoe
8:46 PM
@TylerH It's the GNU copy-pasta, but uwuified
 
Pap
What people call "Linux" is actually 95% GNU xD
 
@KevinB None of those are mods?
 
?
 
@KevinB Mods can see your ignore list IIRC
 
Yes.
 
8:47 PM
@Slate you definitely gave me a couple of stylish gray hairs :)
 
hm... i must have misclicked today
 
You have a former staff member, but no mods.
 
show posts and don't ignore are quite close
 
@Pap Is '''WSL 1''' the right name in this point of view ? (Deb/Ubu GNU coretuils + ''Windows'' core, not a Linux one..)
 
@Pap: There was for some time an initiative of plugging FreeBSD instead of Linux under Debian. Too bad it got discontinued.
 
Pap
8:50 PM
Ancient Debian advocate here. I fled the systemd plague when Debian was infacted by it. Obviously I do not use Crapbuntu or any other distro that's infected.
 
So.. no Linux Mint? How can you not like that green colour :)
 
Pap
No... it is infected
 
I think some call systemd a feature ;)
 
Pap
]All distros that provide systemd, even as an option, are prmanently boycotted xD
 
Zoe
Doesn't debian have systemd?
 
Pap
8:53 PM
systemd is a Red Hat second kernel. So no, thank you very much ;-)
 
the d stands for dumb
or dstupid
 
@Pap Are you advocating for a particular distro ? LFS maybe ?
 
@ElectionBot when will the next election be
 
What do you want from me?
 
@Pap: I'm on Devuan these days, so I understand what you mean.
 
8:55 PM
I mean... I know that food isn't exactly on topic, either but how does being mean about ubuntu relate to elections?
 
Pap
@Zoe Debian started to have systemd around 2007, if I recall correctly. In the beginning it was just a few packages that required it, so you could dodge it. But as the time passe more and more apps needed it. I left Debian when it was obvious there is no return. Some months later, Debian 8 was released, and it was fully infected by systemd.
 
South African elections, maybe?
 
Zoe
@spicy.dll or ditworkstho
 
@Zoe: Yes, it's effectively impossible to not use systemd on Debian.
 
@Pap Why exactly are you using the word "infected"? What's so bad about it?
 
8:58 PM
@Catija It relates as much as asking for screen-shots of close vote UIs.
 
@Scratte: Do you mean what's bad about systemd, or how is Debian infected badly?
 
@AdrianMole That's at least related to the network
 
The former is a bit of a "flamewar starter".
 
@einpoklum First one :) I see.. putting my hand in the hornet's nest then ;)
 
Pap
@Zilog80 I am not advocating any distro, but I use Salix and Slackel, (based on Slackware and Slackware-Current, respectively). Planning to give Voild a serious try.
 
8:58 PM
@Zoe systemdontknowwhybutbadidk
 
@AdrianMole :D I was rushing to finish my presentation to new CMs about closing. :D
I thought about asking in SOCVR.
 
Zoe
/shrug, I use mint, and it works, so I'm happy :p
 
@Pap Thanks, i was curious (and not too much a big fan of systemd)
 
Yeah, but if you'd gone to SOCVR, you'd end up being asked to delete some request, or stuff.
 

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