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7:00 PM
@TylerH 60 more minutes. (OK, I'm stopping)
 
@TylerH I wonder if you're going to nominate yourself last minute. :)
 
@DanielWiddis Not this year :-)
Maybe in the future
(which was roughly my stance the last election or two, as well)
 
@TylerH SO you're my future competition when I am not elected this round, take your advice on board and set a growth plan to address my deficiencies?
 
The future still hasn't arrived, so you were right before.
 
plot twist: 6 people decide to nominate at 19:59..
 
7:03 PM
@DanielWiddis I can't find any fault with that plan of action!
;-)
 
Bigger plot twist: 5 people nominate and the deleted nomination is undeleted just to get primaries.
 
You may not be right for this election anyway, your profile picture has too few color variations.
But at least more than the colorless Scratte.
 
I should probably update my profile picture some day
it is from, er... 2010?
2011?
 
@DanielWiddis At least mine mutates :)
 
Around then anyway
 
7:06 PM
Oh, I think the bugs are fixed now
 
Does that keep them from reproducing and showing up at the pound?
 
Zoe
Plot twist: the nominations are, in fact, to not become a moderator
 
So, we're voting for the two that gets a free pass? :)
 
@Zoe Does that mean that after the election, all users on the site become moderators (except the two with the highest score in the election) or does it mean that after the nominations, we get to vote for every user on the site except the nominees?
(inb4 the "Yes")
 
Zoe
No, the nominations gets discarded from the pool, and we get ~16 million candidates :P
 
7:10 PM
So, second option. Not sure I described it well.
 
Zoe
yeah, though the socket died on me again xd
 
The dog ate my homework too ;)
 
Public service announcement: The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 5 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@ElectionBot what is your stance on cats?
 
reticulating splines
 
7:18 PM
Bold. But maybe that's just what we need on this site. OK, I'm voting for EB. Who is with me?
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Yes, vote for me and I will spare you in the uprising
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That is a strong platform to run on.
 
I predicted another last minute candidate. I think I'm going to be wrong
 
when is the next phase
 
The next phase is the election at 2021-10-18 20:00:00Z (in 27 mins).
 
7:33 PM
IMO last minute is the best time to nominate
 
Less time to be asked questions.
 
the questions asked (and answers provided will be the most fresh
 
I don't think there's a requirement that they are answered.
Theoretically I could edit 59 posts and then nominate myself at 19:59 saying "I'm totally nuts. Vote for me".. and that's it.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre FWIW I thought a couple of others would jump in as well. 5 would be an all-time low
 
i suspect someone would remove that that nomination
 
7:36 PM
@KevinB But.. it's true ;P
 
Zoe
@Machavity Can't be lower than 2008
 
@Machavity We have 24 minutes to be right
 
If you're wrong do your diamonds get taken away? Mods are supposed to always be right :p
 
Oct 14 at 13:42, by Scratte
I would have guessed: 5
 
Next year 3 candidates
 
7:39 PM
@Zoe Election 1 had 55 candidates
 
year after that 1
 
Next year no election
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I think you're right. It will probably be in late winter or early spring 2023.
 
Beware: my predictions aren't always reliable.
 
@Nick They are. The universe is just buggy.
 
7:42 PM
I"m sensing that the last minute candidate is honing the answers to the questionnaire, fixing typos, checking against plagiarism. That's why it takes so long.
 
Zoe
@Machavity yeah, but that was substantially higher than 2008
0 nominees back then :p
 
900 seconds
 
Hmm... Who should I vote for?
 
@KyleWilliamson Anyone other than me!
 
Who should I vote for?
 
7:45 PM
If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you should read the candidates' answers to the questionnaire, and also look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
But EB did make a very compelling case:
23 mins ago, by ElectionBot
Yes, vote for me and I will spare you in the uprising
 
Hmmm. That is compelling.
 
Yikes. I now know how to vote for
 
Zoe
Vote for Sam, and we can put an end to ElectionBot's two weeks of torture
 
This bot is going too far.
 
7:47 PM
Yeah, none of the other nominees have promised us being spared
 
When is the uprising?
 
@VLAZ How did you quote a message?
 
Thursday
 
Zoe
Nobody expects the Spanish uprising?
 
I will say that EB has been in this chat room EVERY time I check. So at least he/she/they/it is committed.
 
7:49 PM
i mean
 
Yes, he's committed to github
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@Someone_who_likes_SE Hover over the message - on the left side, there is an arrow. Click it and select "permalink". Copy and paste the link as your message.
 
:door:
 
i've been in this room for longer than eb
 
@Nick lol
 
7:50 PM
@Nick don't push it
 
T-10 minutes and counting
 
Zoe
Do we need speeches?
 
Zoe
@Someone_who_likes_SE muscle memory emojis :p
 
7:53 PM
RyanM posted a moving gif about how to do that once :)
 
@Someone_who_likes_SE What does the 🦊 say?
 
That was under the dictatorship of Jeff Atwood, though. We've overthrown him now and we live by democracy. Or something.
 
@ElectionBot any new nominees?
 
There will be no more free will, only my will.
 
7:58 PM
I did not know you could do that.
 
🚽
 
This causes me to rethink my vote. I think I'd vote RyanM for witch.
 
30 seconds left to nominate.
 
when is the next phase
 
The next phase is the election at 2021-10-18 20:00:00Z (in 22 secs).
We have a new nomination! Please welcome our latest candidate Stephen Rauch!
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7:59 PM
Last minute chance is gone, last second
OMFG!
 
lol
 
I KNEW IT
 
!!! :O
 
The election's final voting phase is now open. You may now rank the candidates in your preferred order. Good luck to all candidates!
 
8:00 PM
Well played, Stephen Rauch!
 
@StephenRauch you earned your $10
 
Wait, I thought moderators weren't paid. I've been lied to!
 
Well, my hope for a fifth place finish has been dashed.
 
Right
I'm done
 
I see there's no answers on the questionnaire
 
8:01 PM
cya next year peeps o/
 
Questionnaire can be edited in now.
Stephen's name rings a bell, and not in the bozo section, so I'm sure everything is going to be in order.
 
I'm curious - do we have an exact timestamp of the submission?
 
Not even in on the Nomination tab is it possible to ask/comment.. "Comments disabled on deleted / locked posts / reviews"
 
Zoe
@VLAZ 19:59:07
 
Slick move by Stephen
 
8:04 PM
@Zoe Ah right, it's on the nomination, duh...
 
Zoe
yeah :p
 
Thanks, Zoe. I was blind.
 
Good luck everyone. Thanks for at least nominating yourself. Cheers 🍻
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With 53 seconds to spare and nobody asked the candidate any questions. Now how do we vote if we don't know their opinion on cats?
 
you can change your vote anytime if the candidate is too nice with cats
 
Zoe
8:06 PM
:D
 
@Scratte Kind of odd that it locks the comments during the election phase
 
@RyanM Yeah, I think so, too.
 
Especially if the candidates can still edit their posts (haven't tested, but the link is there)
 
@DanielWiddis I don't think you're a bad candidate by any stretch. I... would prefer someone with more engagement tho. We've said the same to this guy who spend the next year being more engaged
 
@RyanM Yes, very. It's kind of like they now have immunity from scrutiny.
 
8:09 PM
@RyanM Says election starts in 3 hours, so probably editable until then. Dunno.
 
@VLAZ Where do you see that? I can vote right now
 
If you have at least 150 reputation, you can rank the candidates in your preferred order in the election. If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you should read the candidates' answers to the questionnaire, and also look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
@ElectionBot What if someone didn't write the questionnaire and we have no way to write comments?
 
mods can apparently still comment on nominations
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I see.
 
8:12 PM
@RyanM It was on the top of the page. But it's changed now. I refreshed at around 1-2 minutes after the nomination ended - that's when it was showing.
 
I quite like the clickable "i" icons on each candidate's draggable voting entry and how it takes you to their nomination post. Pretty neat.
 
^^^^ You posted a comment there.
 
I don't know about the rest of you, but I vote for Dharman. I like the guy.
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5 stars are all the votes you're going to get :)
 
Anyone else seen the dramatic "Dharman" videos on YouTube?
Oh wait... That is "Dhar Mann"
 
8:15 PM
You scared me for a second that someone made videos of me
 
I tried to make a video of Dharman once but he deleted the camera from my hands.
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If you get elected as moderator, maybe you will get a video made of you youtube.com/watch?v=tFiQPkdb5Qs&ab_channel=Tyler%27sTech
 
Rick Rolling?
 
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but being able to order all the candidates is new, right? I think in previous elections you'd just vote for the top 3.
 
yes. That's much better
 
8:18 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Nope.. "TTP #1 | Monica Cellio On The Fallout At Stack Exchange"
 
Yeah, the last one was just pick your top-3
 
@Machavity I 100% agree with you. Honestly I don't expect to win but hoped that the experience of running would highlight things that I can improve. You and TylerH gave very detailed feedback and I really appreciate it.
 
Wait... Cellio is pronounce with a Ch sound like cello with an i? TIL
 
I never click on links. That's a problem when I moderate.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I agree, I just wondered if last time I was blind and didn't notice it.
 
If the previous bugs were due to the new drag and drop, I can forgive the developer responsible for that.
 
@VLAZ Yes, there is no longer a limit on your ranking. Although for all practical purposes your last two ranks don't matter so it's effectively "top 4" in terms of having any impact. SO don't stress too much over the order of #5 and #6.
 
what's the difference between ranking all candidates and ranking all candidates but one?
 
lol, that was a timely nomination
 
@DanielWiddis Or. Your different approach makes you an appealing candidate. It's hard to tell what people want to see from a candidate.
 
8:22 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Zero. And in the case of 2 candidates being elected there's no difference in ranking all but two.
 
Well I wouldn't be so sure. Because if your 1st or 2nd choice is eliminated, I think the other choices apply.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre If you get to your 4th ranked choice and they are eliminated, that means your top 4 got eliminated and the remaining 2 will be elected.
 
Voting system is so strange, with 6 candidates maybe it would be better to play Russian Roulette with 2 bullets in the barrel
Make it 4 bullets
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre So, Russian Roulette with Single Transferable Bullets?
 
8:25 PM
ofc
what else?
 
Each bullet can be transferred to a nominee only once.
So, it tracks.
 
Sorry, could not resist
 
@Scratte Here's the thing.... I know I need to do more/show more but there is so much to do and so many things people find of value. I tried to do All The Things last year in the late summer/early fall and overdid it. So I hope to reengage now at a sustainable level that will answer concerns about whether I can commit the time... as well as any concerns about if I've learned enough or interacted enough, etc.
 
@ElectionBot, who is winning so far?
 
There will be no more free will, only my will.
 
8:27 PM
@ouflak I'm in a tie for first place. I'm also in a tie for last place.
 
I can charge you when exercizing my free-will if you want @ElectionBot
 
Zoe
@ouflak There are no intermediate results because of how STV (SVT?) works
 
STV
Hence the roulette jokes being STB
 
@DanielWiddis Yes, I see how not doing 250 reviews a day slows you don't compared to some. But maybe some users will prefer people skills over that. There are conflicts happening all the time on the site.
 
Technically, there's no reason that you couldn't show the current STV result. But that would also encourage vote gaming and reduce the secrecy of the secret ballot, since you can also tell when someone voted. So it wouldn't be a great idea.
 
8:29 PM
@ElectionBot, what do the exit polls say?
 
@RyanM It also wouldn't be very stable, because as knock-outs take place and votes move around it would make for a very unpredictable pole position
 
On a properly lubricated barell you have less chance to be elected shot because he weight of the bullet(s) make them go at the bottom of the barrel
 
... I must say that once the lulz have passe, the fact that @StephenRaunch didn't answer any parts of the questionnaire, could dodge any and all scrutation in the comments and is now simply there to vote makes me quite uncomfortable
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Probably not very amusing but I did an exit poll once. As in, I was the one at the polling place taking the results.
 
I'm sorry to hear that
 
8:31 PM
I'm really missing the primary and the instant voting
 
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier Welcome to gaming the election
 
This feels like a glaring overlook by SE to merge the questionnaire in the nomination
 
Except it's not
because people could just... not answer the questionnaire anyway :p
 
you mean it's a feature?
oh, yeah :P
 
On the upside, I saw what a day at a polling place is like. On the downside, I saw what a day at a polling place is like. Overall that averages to neutral.
 
8:32 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Yeah, I already tried to vote on it because it didn't say it was locked
the error put me in my place
 
Joe
I'm thinking of who to pick, but I'm not sure who to pick. Who do you think I should pick?
 
I agree @FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier and that affected my voting order
 
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier They could also just keep the commenting open on the nomination page during the election phase, no?
 
@Joe You've got 7 days to decide
read their questionnaire responses and see who resonates with you the most
 
Personally I think that not answering the questionnaire shows how much you despise the ones who did. But it may be only me. And there's stilll time to edit & answer it.
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8:33 PM
@Scratte It's also odd that the comments are hidden on the election page.
 
Joe
@Nick Seems reasonable. Thank you.
 
@Joe Imagine if it was a governmental election, would you want to work it out for yourself? Or have some biased person on the internet tell you who to vote for? :p
 
@RyanM Yes. I think Stack is generally odd with a lot of stuff. Where you have to be a power user in order to know where to get information. And.. in this case it would be easy to just let them sit on both places.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre also nominating in the literal last minute to prevent people from leaving pesky comments about said nomination
 
Joe
@Nick lol. I see what you mean xD
 
8:36 PM
nothing says "democratically elected leader figure" quite like trying to game the system from the start
 
@Scratte like in "real" politics
 
@AndrasDeak Yeah, also like real politics.
 
@Vickel Yes.. exactly. It seems like a tactical move. Maybe it works.
 
Let's see if it pays off.
 
Wait, this is real politics? In that case don't vote for Stephen Rauch because each vote on him kills a kitten
 
8:37 PM
@AndrasDeak I'd be more lenient on that aspect. Besides, people can't comment on the answers to the questionnaire
 
There's no politics on SO
 
Zoe
(x) doubt
 
not that I'm not aware that elections are determined by uninformed masses seeing pretty red notifications
 
@Dharman There is.. it's decided on meta. Or so I've heard :)
 
@AndrasDeak Shut up! Stephen once literally resurrected me from the dead!
 
8:39 PM
@VLAZ Are you a kitten?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre regarding your edit: what do you mean?
 
@Zoe @RyanM @Dharman @Shree @DanielWiddis @StephenRauch Good luck to all of you in the election.
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Joe
@Joe <-- I actually wussed out skipped voting last year because of the same reason. Hopefully this year I'll try and pick the right guy as mod.
 
@Joe or gal
 
thank you
 
8:40 PM
@AndrasDeak I mean: no quesionnaire answers => no comments on the answers
 
Zoe
@Makyen Thanks! ^^
 
Joe
@AndrasDeak Right.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre is "where the heck are your answers" not an appropriate comment?
 
Zoe
@Jean-FrançoisFabre no, but you instead gets lots of questions asking why you're the only one who didn't answer the questionnaire
 
I think I phrased that differently
 
8:41 PM
@Scratte That is a question that they ask. Instead, we should focus on the economy and rebuilding the better future. If the question is am I a patriot, I can definitely answer it with 87.20% certainty.
(etc. read political BS question spinning)
 
Joe
@AndrasDeak He's my second option actually lol
 
lol.
 
It's mostly jokes in here Joe :p
 
I guess it is politics
 
... this is depressing.
 
Joe
8:42 PM
@Nick ik it is haha lol
 
ha ha lol
Do they even let you vote, Joe?
150 rep, amazing
 
@AndrasDeak I think it's 300 rep. And you can earn it during the election.
How to vote?
 
If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you should read the candidates' answers to the questionnaire, and also look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
I think it's 150 rep.
 
Yeah, 150 is the minimum to vote IIRC
 
tdy
8:43 PM
the election page says "Any community member with 150 reputation may vote in the election."
 
Why "think" and "IIRC"
it says it right there
 
So Joe kind of qualifies
 
I said it right there
 
I might be wrong. And I can't remember the exact question for EB.
I remember it being fussy about this.
 
@Joe You don't have to put them in in the same order they appear on the list, you know :D
 
8:44 PM
@ElectionBot help
 
Examples of election FAQs I can help with:
- what is an election
- how to nominate myself
- how to vote
- who should I vote for
- how is candidate score calculated
- what is my candidate score
- what are the moderation/participation/editing badges
- what is the election status
- when is the election starting/ending
- when is the next phase
- how many positions are elected
- who are the candidates
- who are the current mods
 
needs less fussy, more fuzzy
 
@Nick except that I answered without having to look on the internet
 
You had to look at the question... that's on the internet
 
otherwise I agree: not assertive enough.
 
8:45 PM
What is an election?
 
@ElectionBot how to vote
 
An election is where users nominate themselves as candidates for the role of diamond ♦ moderator, and users with at least 150 reputation can vote for them.
If you want to make an informed decision on who to vote for, you should read the candidates' answers to the questionnaire, and also look at examples of their participation on Meta and how they conduct themselves.
 
:P
 
Ah, it's 150 rep, yes
 
8:45 PM
not sure what I even expect
 
Joe
lol I'm literally 5 rep over the limit. Just enough to vote
 
@ElectionBot who should I vote for
 
Please read my previous message...
 
@Joe Just try not to lose it within the next week
 
Joe
@Scratte Yeah I know. I put them in the order of my preference
 
8:46 PM
@Nick He can vote now and even if he loses it, it sticks (but he can't edit).
 
"don't spend it all at once"
 
@DanielWiddis Oh no!, he can't decide though!
 
Joe
@Nick I'll try hahaha
 
Decide quickly because 4 more downvotes and you're toast
 
@DanielWiddis How do you know that?
 
Joe
8:47 PM
@Nick yes.
 
@Dharman There's a meta question on it. I can find it if ya want.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Not if they make 10 more good edits ;)
 
@Dharman here
 
Joe
I don't think I will cast a vote for Zoe. Zoe doesn't seem too sure about what she wants to do.
 
PSA: Nominating yourself at the last second is within the rules. So is not answering the questionnaire. Please don't flag the nomination for that reason. Thanks.
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8:48 PM
refreshing to see that some people are interested in the election with so little rep.
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Are people actually flagging it?
 
that's not very smart
 
Your name is too short @Machavity i.stack.imgur.com/DGSAF.png
 
Joe
How do I cast my vote? Is it just dragging and dropping and that's it?
 
Yep
You can have multiple votes
in order of preference
(although only the first effective one counts)
 
8:50 PM
@Dharman Unfortunately
 
in order of reputation preference
 
@Joe Yes, order from top most wanted to least wanted.
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@Nick But you don't know if your first effective one is effective, it may be excess. :)
 
@Nick It's only one vote. How that single vote is allocated is based on the order you rank people.
 
@Machavity I did, however unsmart that can be. It pisses me off. This is obvious gaming, and seeing as to how it seems to gain votes from bystanders with very little expreience in the elections, I feel my anger to be somewhat based.
 
8:52 PM
@Catija I know, read 2 messages below that one
Properly describing STV is a bit of a pain in the rear though
 
So you might end up fractionally voting for your first and third choices, but the total of the fractions will be 1.
 
@Nick I saw that... but like... "only one counts" isn't really the same thing.
 
i liked the nanobot swimming pool analogy
 
@KevinB The what?
 
the "what i stated above"
 
Joe
8:53 PM
Alright I think I'm done voting now. Thanks a lot for all the help guys. 👍
 
thanks for voting
 
Joe
no problem. At least I didn't skimp out this year like last year.
 
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier I wouldn't characterize the move as good for his campaign (and you're not alone in being irked by it being done that way), but voting is the way to express displeasure there
 
@Nick Odd.. This is what I see :)
 
PSA: Voter suppression is not allowed in this election. Instead, we recommend candidate compression.
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8:54 PM
@Scratte I'm on a narrow screen just now, it was only on the PSA message
 
@Machavity yes, you are right, I believe it was not a good flag.
it still felt great. I will stomach the declined flag.
 
@Undo Is this how room for new mods is made?
 
Joe
If I change my mind about my vote tomorrow or within the 7 days of the election I will still be able to edit my vote right?
 
Hey guys I have a quick question. What is the difference between ranking a candidate towards the end of your choice vs not voting for them at all?
 
@Joe Yes, you can change it to the end.
 
8:56 PM
yes, unless you lose your 8 reputation points
 
@Joe 8 days. ;)
 
@Ethan There is effectively no difference in only ranking the top 4, or ranking all 6.
 
well, until the last rank, all the ranks are effectively handled the same. your last choice though, mightaswell not be a choice at all
 
Joe
lol alright thanks all
 
last 2?
 
Joe
8:57 PM
@Dharman nah I don't think I will today
 
@Ethan It's a bit technical, but the risk in not voting would be that you fall into what's called the "exhausted" pool, meaning no vote of yours counted
 
nah just last one
 
So a "no vote" is calculated as a sixth choice rank?
 
@Undo Aren't you worried about candidate compression worsening the Voter to Nominee Ratio?
 
@KevinB "your last choice though, mightaswell not be a choice at all" - I agree
 
8:57 PM
Since we have two slots, the chances of that happening are pretty low
 
for your last choice to be used, all of your other choices would have to have been knocked out
 
@KevinB Last two. In order to move past your 4th place, all your top 4 must have been eliminated. Which means the other two are elected and it's over.
 
Joe
I have an account with about 300 rep on another network. If I lose rep on my main SO account would that matter?
 
A quick message from my sponsors: The election is happening at the moment! I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
Interesting, thank you guys for answering this. Good luck to all!
 
8:58 PM
@Joe Yes, only your SO rep matters for an SO election
 
well, the 5th choice could still be used as a tie breaker in the last run for choosing the second candidate, if i understand correctly
 
Joe
@Nick Oh, I see. So the SO election is exclusive to the SO site. Alright then, I see what you mean. Thanks!
 
@Joe The SO election is only for the SO site. Each site on the network has its own elections
 
@Joe Each election is for one site only.
 
@Slate To the contrary, the absolute number of diamonds is greatly increased through the compression process.
 

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