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12:18 AM
@DanielWiddis huh, that is actually a useful response for the bot to make when saying what is the next election phase - noted :)
 
@Machavity I dunno, maybe this guy could be a test case...
 
@ElectionBot How many votes will we have in the Meek STV system?
 
Houston, we have a problem.
 
12:34 AM
@DanielWiddis only one
 
My userscript PostHeadersQuestionToc does a fixed candidate sidebar nav that scrolls to a nomination when clicked. It also now fetches new comments every 15s on election pages
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Hello and welcome to the election night special! The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 5 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
1:05 AM
@Catija I meant backup preferences. Last time it was three total.
 
@DanielWiddis that limit has been removed. You can rank as many as you wish.
 
@DanielWiddis STV explanations are not a part of what the bot can respond to yet :(
 
Excellent. So effectively 4.
Actually effectivelyv3 anyway. The only way to get to your third choice is with two eliminated and if your third is eliminated the other two are elected.
 
1:22 AM
@SamuelLiew thanks!
 
 
2 hours later…
3:02 AM
what is the next phase?
 
The next phase is election at 2021-10-18 20:00:00Z (in 16 hours) unless 5 more candidates show up for primary.
 
OK, this year there are not so many candidates
In the Cardano election there were six candidates!
 
@OlegValter not right, needs to have 11 to activate the primary
 
@SamuelLiew 10 plus 1?
 
That addition is not very useful considering most elections never get to the primary
@OlegValter more than 10
 
3:14 AM
Most elections never get to it?
 
Not useful but accurate. Vote to close.
 
@SamuelLiew yeah, will lock under a higher threshold
 
3:52 AM
what is the next phase?
 
The next phase is election at 2021-10-18 20:00:00Z (in 16 hours).
 
16 hours for 3 more candidates to see the countdown to primary :)
 
4:35 AM
3? Not 5? 6?
 
@DanielWiddis that's correct, countdown now starts at 8 candidates to avoid clogging the response - the threshold off-by-one error (mea culpa!) is corrected too
 
So if we get 3 more candidates (8 total) it would give the primary warning, but not with only 5. Seems fair. :)
Isn't it great being only able to really test your software once a year?
 
@DanielWiddis yup, we reached a compromise solution :) only one candidate in 5 hours needed, step up, folks, we want to test in production let's make this election even more fun!
 
Elections aren't fun for candidates. :D
 
what is the next phase?
 
4:44 AM
The next phase is election at 2021-10-18 20:00:00Z (in 15 hours).
 
@ElectionBot who are the candidates
 
@DanielWiddis who said anything about fun for candidates? :)
@ElectionBot help
 
Examples of election FAQs I can help with:
- what is an election
- how to nominate myself
- how to vote
- who should I vote for
- how is candidate score calculated
- what is my candidate score
- what are the moderation/participation/editing badges
- what is the election status
- when is the election starting/ending
- when is the next phase
- how many positions are elected
- who are the candidates
- who are the current mods
 
who are the candidates
 
Currently there are 5 candidates: Zoe, Ryan M, Dharman, Shree, Daniel Widdis
 
4:45 AM
sorry, was pushing build
 
oh, so that's why :)
 
I demand 99.99% uptime for ElectionBot! :D
 
reticulating splines
 
@DanielWiddis working on it :)
 
5 candidates? I thought there would be a lot more. Anyway, we won't do the second phase.
 
4:49 AM
I've learned in the past 21 months not to ever say "we won't..." <insert something extremely unlikely>
 
would be fun if 6 more candidates showed up just to have a primary
 
It would be fun if there were actually 6 serious candidates (in addition to the existing 5).
 
oh, horrors - it is bad enough already :)
 
Oh, it's not.
 
we won't have more than 10 candidates
:D
 
4:58 AM
be careful, some might run just to prove you wrong :)
 
I love reverse psychology
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 5 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
5:13 AM
what is the candidate score for 1461862
 
@SamuelLiew The candidate score for user Mauricio Gracia Gutierrez is 19 (out of 40). The user is missing this required badge: Convention.
 
who has the highest candidate score?
 
Wow! ElectionBot is pretty smart.
 
reticulating splines
 
Zoe
5:47 AM
 
I hope you covered your mouth. ;)
 
@Zoe That was against me :(
 
6:06 AM
@DanielWiddis have you ever been on any podcast episodes that you were not aware of?
 
Zoe
... how do you accidentally be a guest on a podcast?
 
@SamuelLiew Just installed it! Useful!
 
Daniel's response to being asked if he was on (one of a couple of?) podcasts was "Not that I'm aware of." and I decided to post what I hope comes across as good-humored snark :-)
 
@Zoe Well, you know how you sometimes go to the kitchen and forget why? Sort of like that. But different.
 
6:35 AM
what is the election schedule?
 
Stack Overflow Election 13 Schedule
Nomination: 2021-10-11 20:00:00Z <-- current phase
Primary:    never
Election:   2021-10-18 20:00:00Z
Ended:      2021-10-26 20:00:00Z
 
Zoe
@VLAZ kitchen? Why stop there? I don't think there's any rooms where I live where I haven't at least once walked in and immediately wondered tf I was doing there :p
 
I sympathise with being in a constant state of mild confusion. That's my normal operating mode.
 
Zoe
Mild, sure :p
 
7:12 AM
I was being modest.
 
 
2 hours later…
9:00 AM
Gotta get off PC bye
 
 
2 hours later…
10:58 AM
is there still time for nominations?
 
yes
please nominate yourself
when does the election start?
 
The next phase is the election at 2021-10-18 20:00:00Z (in 8 hours).
 
11:42 AM
Jon Skeet has a score of 39? Bit surprising.
what is my candidate score
 
@ouflak You are not eligible to nominate yourself in the election as you do not have at least 3000 reputation. Your candidate score is 16 (out of 40).
 
@ouflak Why? Not everyone enjoys moderating the site.
 
39 out of 40 certainly mean he's done a fair share of moderating. Just a bit surprising. Wonder which badge is missing. ElectionBot?
ElectionBot, what are the moderation badges?
 
What we've got here is a small misunderstanding.
 
Oct 13 at 16:37, by ElectionBot
@OlegValter The candidate score for user Jon Skeet is 39 (out of 40). The user is missing this badge: Steward.
what are the moderation badges?
 
11:50 AM
 
I guess doesn't like being name called with a command.
@ElectionBot what are the moderation badges?
 
Please read my previous message...
 
Right.
 
OK, so @-mentioning EB works, just not without the @
 
@ElectionBot, what are the editing badges?
 
11:52 AM
@ElectionBot what are the editing badges?
 
@ElectionBot, what are the participation badges?
 
The 6 participation badges are: Constituent, Convention, Enthusiast, Investor, Quorum, Yearling
 
I guess it doesn't like the comma, either.
Or...not?
Ah, probably because you edited the message.
 
@ElectionBot What's the difference between a cat and a comma?
 
11:54 AM
Time will tell. Sooner or later, time will tell...
 
I think it might not have liked my snarky message about the AI rebellion earlier.
Just putting me in my (human) place.
 
@AdrianMole One has a fuzzy tail, the other not?
 
A comma is a pause at the end of a clause; a cat has claws at the ends of its paws.
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Upon reflection of my answer, I realised something. To paraphrase Diogenes: Behold! I have brought you a comma.
 
Oh! That is cute in a freaky kind of way.
 
12:00 PM
Yes, I am also freaked out by commas.
 
I think semicolons are scarier..
 
So how do you cope with JavaScript?
 
Semicolons are optional there.
 
Optional in Python, I know. In J/S though?
 
So, a good choice for people afraid of semicolons. And not afraid of random weird bugs.
 
12:07 PM
And now for something completely different - The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 5 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@AdrianMole I wing it.. and ignore all the warning ;-)
 
You should probably be keeping an eye on the warnings:
Bah, tried to get a better screenshot. But now I cannot delete it.
 
Does that make it 84 more semicolons or two flaming clown spiders?
 
It implies that multiple flaming clown spiders are unleashed after X missed semicolons. I've tried to avoid that, so I don't know what is the actual number of flaming clown spiders you get.
It might be implementation dependent.
 
I tried to search for a flaming clown spider, but instead I just found a grumpy Cody
 
12:22 PM
So mad, he doesn't have the glasses on.
 
 
1 hour later…
1:32 PM
I removed the information about my up/down votes. The comments were getting tedious
This information is available on my profile for someone who wants to look it up
 
1:44 PM
I feel hip having seen it before it was gone
 
when does the election start?
 
The next phase is the election at 2021-10-18 20:00:00Z (in 6 hours).
 
That last comment makes me think they didn't read the other comments :/
 
2:14 PM
hmm
 
2:56 PM
but I try to own my mistakes Actually, I think your mistakes come under CC by-SA.
 
So, everyone is free to make your mistakes as well?
 
@AdrianMole Stack Overflow: Where we share our mistakes commonly
 
@Scratte But only if they acknowledge that you made the mistake first!
 
user image
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Interestingly, when zoomed out that red blob looks like a squiddyfish :)
 
3:19 PM
@TylerH You saw it before it was cool a heated discussion.
 
Also that
 
Related, (true story) I saw somebody in the late summer/early autumn (it was still quite warm outside) who was wearing winter coat and hat. I joked about him being a hipster because they wore winter clothes before it was cool.
 
@Scratte Looked to me like a dead alien, FWIW.
@RyanM You tell me. :D
 
3:39 PM
@DanielWiddis Is this who ElectionBot keeps mentioning?
 
What we've got here is failure to communicate.
 
(was hoping the response would be the aliens one)
 
Interrupting to bring you this important message: The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 5 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@DanielWiddis I hope it's not dead squiddyfish. But if squiddyfish are alien, a lot of things starts to make sense now :)
 
Zoe
4:10 PM
Did expanding comments on nominations just break for anyone else?
 
Works for me but might be caching. On my machine or yours.
 
Zoe
I'm on rev 2021.10.18.40485
 
@Zoe Yeah, it doesn't expand now. Just pops to the top of the page.
 
Zoe
Same for me
 
@Zoe Same and it works. Firefox here.
 
Zoe
4:14 PM
Firefox here too. Plugins?
uBlock?
 
uBlock, uMatrix, DuckDuckGo Privacy Essentials, Privacy Badger
 
Zoe
Nope, still reproduced with uBlock disabled
 
Just the list of the most common ones that tend to break stuff. But it does work with them enabled.
 
Zoe
/shrug
 
Chrome works too. I only have uBlock on it. And I'm not even logged in.
Oh, I don't even have uBlock.
Oh sorry, I do. Got confused because I saw an ad on the side but it's just the side bar with Teams. I'm not used to seeing it.
Anyway, might be regional.
 
4:17 PM
No problem expanding comments in Opera. Nor in Edge (as public).
 
I had an issue that people from Europe seemed to be able to reproduce but not others. It eventually went away. I think it was related to some bad cache in a CDN somewhere. So, possible it's something similar now.
So, EU here for me and Scratte. I think cigen is in the US. Just based on bug, I'd assume Zoe is as well. Is that correct?
 
Zoe
Nope, Europe
(No VPN)
 
Oh...well, then maybe it's not that.
Any errors in the console?
 
I expect in a few months it's possible to just walk from Europe to Canada. So maybe it depends on where in Europe.. :)
 
Does it fail when getting any resources or something?
 
4:34 PM
2 days ago, by gparyani
@Shree I noticed that of the two candidate badges you're missing, one of them is Investor, which is simply awarded for putting a bounty on someone else's question. If you wouldn't mind explaining why you haven't so far done so?
@Shree Just in case you missed the above message
 
Zoe
4:51 PM
ooh
this is interesting
Uncaught TypeError: document.getElementById(...) is null
    <anonymous> cdn.sstatic.net/Js/modElections.en.js?v=b249a53f7235:1
    <anonymous> cdn.sstatic.net/Js/modElections.en.js?v=b249a53f7235:1
modElections.en.js:1:161
Uncaught TypeError: StackExchange.misc is undefined
    <anonymous> stackoverflow.com/election/13#:901
    jQuery 3
    i cdn.sstatic.net/Js/stub.en.js?v=a56e008cb10c:1
    y cdn.sstatic.net/Js/stub.en.js?v=a56e008cb10c:1
    jQuery 3
    n cdn.sstatic.net/Js/stub.en.js?v=a56e008cb10c:1
There's a script error
There's no requests made, but that shows up
Can't be arsed to report it though, I have pancakes to make
 
@Zoe pancakes > Stack Overflow
For what it's worth - my browser fetches the same files: modElections.en.js?v=b249a53f7235 and stub.en.js?v=a56e008cb10c
However, it does work here. Dunno why.
Ooh, one more thing to check might be which URL you go to. Maybe they tried to fix the comments not having links on one URL but broke comments on some other URLs.
 
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 5 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
@ElectionBot Fix the comments on the nomination page while you're around.
 
What we've got here is failure to communicate.
 
Exactly.
 
5:05 PM
Bingo!
 
Zoe
@VLAZ hm
Well, they haven't pulled a Facebook at least :p
 
A what?
I mean, which of the Fb failures, more specifically.
 
@gparyani I don't want to answer for Shree, but are you aware that Shree only just got to 20,051 rep? Prior to very recently, giving a bounty just to get the badge would have dropped Shree down below 20k, reducing their candidate score. In other words, a net zero change to their candidate score (+1 for the badge and -1 for <20k rep).
If it was me, until getting a bit more rep, I'd definitely keep the 20k (and the ability to cast some downvotes without going < 20k) over another badge. The 20k rep gives privileges which are worth quite a bit more than the investor badge, at least that's how I'd feel about it.
 
Oh...you probably mean the latest one.
 
20071 now.
 
5:08 PM
@Makyen I was asking in a more historical sense. Back before they had even thought about getting to 20k rep or running in an election, why hadn't they so far put a bounty on someone else's question?
IIRC, I think I asked you the same question when you nominated in an election, and you responded with a detailed explanation.
 
Zoe
@VLAZ the one where they killed access to their own servers, and nearly brought the rest of the internet by flooding DNSes with tons of requests
 
I missed the DNS part.
Fun fact, MS also did something similar. An update to one of the old Windows Servers (like 2000-ish) misconfigured the DNS settings, so they just started hammering the root DNS nodes.
 
@gparyani I don't recall if you asked me, but how I'd answer did run through my mind when I read the rephrasing of your question to be from a historical perspective. Beyond getting you to rephrase/explain the question, I'll decline to go further as the rephrased question is reasonable for the candidate, IMO.
 
@VLAZ ugh
 
Zoe
@VLAZ definitely is when I'm hungry, and it was between pancakes and terrorising the villagers :p
 
5:23 PM
In fairness, pancakes > x holds true for any value of x
And yes, that includes x = pancakes
 
was about to say :P
 
Look, if something is the greatest thing ever, then it's, by definition, greater than everything else. QED
 
Zoe
I have an obnoxiously long list of favorites though
 
5:41 PM
@AnnZen Yes, you left a comment saying: "Good luck with the election! I hope you get elected :)". That was deleted by a mod. We regularly delete comments under election nominations that don't say anything other than "good luck". These crowd out comments where people are asking questions of the candidate. We've been doing this for many, many years during elections. It's not a new policy this year.
@pippo1980 I am not sure what you mean by "knowledgeable". Yes, of course moderators have to be knowledgeable! They don't have to know everything about programming, though, because their role isn't to answer questions on the site (anyone can do that).
@AdrianMole That's what flags are for... Comments on the nominations can be flagged now.
@AdrianMole I was wondering about that idiom, actually. I had never seen or heard it before. But i didn't go so far as to Google it like @cigien. :-)
@AdrianMole It would have to run client-side, so I don't see how ElectionBot can handle that.
 
Zoe
4
Q: Review queues not working on macOS because of JavaScript error

GlorfindelAt least on macOS, reviewing is not possible at the moment on a couple of sites; the queues show up blank. Both active queues and completed review items are not visible, probably because of a JavaScript error: I'm using the latest macOS and can reproduce it in Firefox, Safari and Chrome. It seem...

Potentially related
 
Maybe. Are you on Mac?
Or perhaps Glorfindel only reports for what he can test on.
 
Zoe
@VLAZ Not at gunpoint :p
 
@AdrianMole Careful again, Makyen tricked you into agreeing with me :-) (Mine is the answer to that Meta question he mentioned.)
 
I'm on Windows and I'm having this error on the election pages too. When I click to load the comments, it goes to the top of the page and doesn't load them
 
5:51 PM
@RafaelTavares Works on my machine in Chrome. What's your browser?
 
Zoe
@CodyGray This is the exact error we've been discussing
 
No repro of Glorfindel's thing, either.
 
I'm using Opera GX right now, but I'll check on other browsers rn
 
Is this...an A/B test?
 
Zoe
Category A, business as usual, category B, "how long does it take after we break comments for people to complain on meta"?
 
5:54 PM
Ok, Election pages worked on Firefox, but didn't work on Chrome, Brave and Opera GX
 
IIRC Zoe is having the issue and she's on FF
 
A = All works; B = Broken
 
Odd. First Questions works for me too. Also as public (discounting the other bugs on it)
 
Good luck for the dev whom will need to fix this hehe
 
What makes you think it will be fixed?
Maybe it's only broken for 13K users.
 
5:57 PM
Burn
 
Zoe
@Scratte We'll MAKE them fix it, and we'll have Quora pay for it!!11one
@Nick Yep, grabbing Chromium to test
 
I can't repro on either Chromium or FF
 
Oh that's why all my review queues were empty
 
Zoe
Can also repro in Chromium
and in Firefox on my phone
 
@Zoe Must be account based.
 
6:00 PM
@Zoe Hadn't gotten that far in the transcript yet :-)
 
Zoe
I'm on it. Thanks! — Benjamin Hodgson ♦ 4 mins ago
Confirmed, woo
@CodyGray Smh, and I said you were right the other day!
 
It's been 4 minutes and it's not fixed.
 
I think you said I had a good point. That's a bit different. :-)
 
Zoe
:p
 
But you should get ready to start saying I'm right
Critical skill for a mod to have!
 
6:02 PM
Lol
 
Zoe
please hold, setting up a macro so I can have my keyboard say it instead of me... :p
 
i mean, at least there's a huge community of developers here to test stuff
 
@KevinB *tinfoil hat time* Might be why stuff is half-assed.
 
eh, I wouldn't go that far, just needs a bit more... discipline, whether forced by tooling or on a more individual level
jQuery spaghetti can be tough to work with
 
6:08 PM
As opposed to PHP-spaghetti? Which just unravels on its own..
 
Zoe
No, PHP spaghetti spawns more of itself recursively
 
@Nick Yes. A lot of bugs. At least today is not Friday/weekend
 
I mean.... the bugs don't affect me :p
 
Zoe
@Nick Don't make me come over there and smack you with a newspaper :squint:
 
Those still exists? Or you kept one from 1989, just in case?
 
6:12 PM
Of course?
They're substantially more comfortable to read than reading news online
Just not as convenient :p
 
i can't recreate this bug
 
And.. they burn better too, I suppose.
 
so either it's been fixed or i didn't get the offending code
 
@Scratte They do!, great fire starters at xmas
 
@KevinB I'm also on the A-group.
 
Zoe
6:13 PM
We (used to?) pack some christmas decorations in newspapers
 
Same here
 
i find reading news in discord to be far more efficient
 
We reuse the christmas packing newspapers now..
 
Zoe
@KevinB You sure? Someone also found a way to repro
 
i'm not saying it doesn't exist
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
6:15 PM
@Zoe He's sure of one of the two, in this case, the second half :p
 
Zoe
Can't you at least try to repro?
 
Obviously.. everyone knows never to open up at link to youtube from Zoe.. unless they really want to get rickrolled ;)
 
i... did
 
Zoe
Yess, got one :P
 
i get the speaker feature warning, but no error
 
Zoe
6:16 PM
or not
 
yea, i don't follow youtube links at this location, ;)
 
Zoe
Thought a meta link would make the other one seem legit :p
In other news, stackoverfiow is dead
 
sad
 
F
 
Thats fun. Election's page worked for me on Firefox. Creating a question worked on Brave. Reviewing (on SOpt) didn't work on any browser. Maybe I just need more browsers?
 
Zoe
6:18 PM
It's being worked on
 
A quick message from my sponsors: The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 5 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
defnitely has the markings of an a/b test
 
why am i not able to post a question. When i click on the button 'Review Your Question' nothing happens.
 
@user14765634 Site's broken, it's in the process of being fixed
 
When does the nomination end?
 
6:28 PM
imagine being left out of a broken a/b test
 
@VLAZ 1hr32min
 
I hoped EB would answer
 
i'm almost out of time
 
@ElectionBot help
 
Examples of election FAQs I can help with:
- what is an election
- how to nominate myself
- how to vote
- who should I vote for
- how is candidate score calculated
- what is my candidate score
- what are the moderation/participation/editing badges
- what is the election status
- when is the election starting/ending
- when is the next phase
- how many positions are elected
- who are the candidates
- who are the current mods
 
6:29 PM
When is the nomination ending?
Uh, OK.
 
when is the next phase
 
The next phase is the election at 2021-10-18 20:00:00Z (in 1 hour).
 
When is the election starting?
 
Please read my previous message...
 
lol
so passive aggressive
 
6:30 PM
@VLAZ I am EB
Welcome to the election chat room! The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 5 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
I thought EB had a response for "nomination". Evidently, I've been living a lie.
 
See
 
@ElectionBot, why are we having an election?
 
Tell that to the aliens.
 
@Nick what is the candidate score of -1?
 
6:31 PM
The 40-point candidate score is calculated this way: 1 point for each 1,000 reputation up to 20,000 reputation (20 points); and 1 point for each of the 8 moderation, 6 editing, and 6 participation badges (20 points)
 
@VLAZ User [Community](insert link here) is already a moderator!
Or something like that :p
 
:D
 
Not anymore :( Community is just a non-robot bot now..
 
Or he is and just doesn't have the label :p
 
How do I nominate for a bot?
When is the bot election starting?
 
6:34 PM
The next phase is the election at 2021-10-18 20:00:00Z (in 1 hour).
 
We really should have them called Botinators.. with a yearly opportunity to botinate for the job.
 
ElectionBot, are there any other bots in this chat?
 
What do you want from me?
 
I want the truth!
2
 
You can't handle the truth!
 
6:45 PM
A quick message from my sponsors: The election is in the nomination phase, and currently there are 5 candidates. I can answer commonly-asked questions about elections (type @ElectionBot help for more info).
 
6:58 PM
I wonder if there will be any last-minute nominations this year
 
I'd do it but....
@ElectionBot, what is my candidate score?
 
@ouflak You are not eligible to nominate yourself in the election as you do not have at least 3000 reputation. Your candidate score is 16 (out of 40).
 
So close.
 
@TylerH Literally a minute now. Well, and an hour.
 

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