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8:01 AM
Hiya
 
Ekke Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptang Zoo Boing!
 
Knights who until recently said 'Ni!'
 
user3956566
@Tunaki i voted to deletethat question. I'm on a plane
 
Have a nice trip :)
 
8:14 AM
@Yvette o.o You monster, using a phone on a plane :)
 
@Seth Meh. Gendered language has become a sensitive topic
Sentitive enough that repeat referring to someone as the wrong gender via pronouns can be considered sexual harassment in germany
 
@JonClements Bring me... A SHRUBBERY!
 
@Magisch Well, I can sort of see where they're coming from with that, I wouldn't like to be referred to as "she" either.
 
I could barely care less if I tried
personally, that is
 
Don't get the sexual harassment thing though tbh. Oh well.
 
8:19 AM
Let's not start this discussion again.
Yikes
 
True.
 
(Looks like I missed a fun meta thread, damnit.)
 
Read it, it's worth it.
Let's talk about something fun... like the weather.
31°C incoming today :') I'm going to die.
 
That first sentence...
ugh
 
@Seth 33-35C here
 
8:21 AM
@Magisch RIP :')
We're all going to die :) This is fine...
 
@Seth: did you see the edits on the answer the OP is talking about?
 
@Seth At least its s'posed to go down on friday
 
@Cerbrus Yes.
 
I must say 30°C+ in september is unusual and not very nice
 
Pretty funny :) Leaving out the topic itself, the whole stuff that went down is actually pretty hilarious :')
@Magisch Aye -_-
We had snow in april though :p
 
8:23 AM
It's blown MASSIVELY out of proportion, from what I can tell
Waffles
 
Shh!
Let's not do this here
 
Yea, sorry.
 
We don't want anyone to get pissed off @ us again
:|
 
The Flower will know
 
Especially someone who's on a plane right now, ready to change direction & terminate us using her spearrel powers :]
Or someone with powers far beyond our imagination
(Like the flower, the fish, the unreal irrational ..)
 
8:25 AM
Yep, watching.... always....
 
leaves silently
How's your "Too-many-duplicates"-depression treating you? @Tunaki
 
@Seth Umm.... "flower power" sounds fair from threatening :)
 
@JonClements >.< Not the ninja puppy, too ...
 
That meta question is depressing.
Must... read... on... Nope, nevermind.
 
@Seth Not great.
 
8:27 AM
Thats the last thing you see before you die.
 
@Cerbrus Meta is depressing. But meta is also fun, once you've learnt to not give a damn about alot of stuff :)
 
I don't see images. But I do see a onebox.
 
One a day is allowed
 
@Magisch Wow - are we now saying that's "The Ring"? :p
 
@Tunaki Sorry, but I have to ask... Did you upvote a duplicate? Be honest with me, Tunaki!
 
8:28 AM
Shoo back into the fishtank :P
 
Dear god, it has an re-open vote.
 
@JonClements "The rene"
 
@Seth Oh that would be nice to do actually.
 
@JonClements: I know it's unorthodox, but can that meta question be locked?
 
I have a feeling that this meta Q will deteriorate quickly
 
8:30 AM
@Tunaki Don't you dare :|
 
@Magisch It already has.
 
@Magisch Uhm, what exactly do you mean with deteriorate? Do you mean it'll get worse or it'll loose its meaning & vanish? :o
 
Persecution complex, vandalizing own answer, not listening to mods. Frankly, I'm tempted to delete-vote it.
 
@Cerbrus Idk. I tried to be constructive in my answer, but its always a gamble to bring rationality into an emotionally charged debate
 
@Magisch Didn't get that far yet
 
1 message moved to Trash can
 
@rene :(
 
@rene :(
 
I thought one onebox per day was allowed
did that change?
 
> " I am bound to indefinitely suffer ignorant, gender exclusive language on one of my favourite websites."
 
8:34 AM
The meta-Q got closed as I was writing an answer ._. ...
Ffs.
 
Wow...
 
Meh :/
 
@Cerbrus We're keeping an eye on it - locking isn't really appropriate at the moment...
 
Understood.
The (not deleted) answers on there are clear enough.
 
@Cerbrus There's deleted answers on that?
 
8:43 AM
Yea, by the OP
 
Can we have a screenshot please?
 
@JonClements: Looks like she's looking for "gendered" questions (link) (I edited the question)
 
@ColdFire Hello , i need help plz
 
That's not even annoying, that's just sad :/
 
She also seems to have changed her profile image to the same image.
 
8:48 AM
sigh
100 foot poles here get your 100 foot poles not to touch this with here
 
@Sami tell us what you need, there are others here who might be able to help
If you need programming help, maybe not on-topic for this room, though
 
@BhargavRao seems like another question, but sometimes is really hard to understand what they are trying to tell us : )
 
@BhargavRao I'd say so, aye
 
surely a VLQ most probably an error hence user is asking why he has that error NAA
 
8:55 AM
@TimCastelijns How that original question did not get closed as being too broad is beyond me. SO seemed to be "softer" back in 2011.
Oh, no it actually did get closed but was reopened.
Also still very odd.
 
No i need to create chat room
@tripleee
Any one can help ? bc i don't see a room for Delphi
When i use this :
 
@Sami you're currently restricted from creating rooms...
 
ok , until ?
 
Indefinitely until a moderator lifts the restriction...
 
Okey , thank you
 
8:59 AM
@JonClements How come? :o
 
better to not ask
 
^^^ :)
 
I'm a naturally very curious person
 
What petter said
 
Probably related to the excessive creation of rooms?
 
9:02 AM
@Magisch I don't think mods will tell you create a room and ask OP
 
Its ok
 
@Magisch The cat profile picture would have suited you better ;)
 
I had it for a week or so and nobody liked it
 
lol
long history behind that
anyone who is curious
 
We all are.
 
9:05 AM
I liked Magisch original avatar he will always be that smile with a hat to me
 
hehe petter
@Cerbrus nowhere near related :D
 
ô.ô
 
@Magisch I still remember you going all Australian: i.stack.imgur.com/YtGmt.png
 
lol
 
@JonClements I did that for april fools
I flipped my avatar and name upside down
 
9:12 AM
Yup - upside down avatars and names - now we're onto spearrels... :)
 
@Oldskool I did downvote it couple years ago :P
 
@Sami looks like you already had this discussion in another room this morning chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/11391?m=32813050#32813050
bringint it up here as if you didn't know what the problem is makes me suspect
and neither the SQL room nor this room is really appropriate for that discussion
 
@trip, The issue was resolved :)
 
@tripleee that topic is over i guess
 
@tripleee okey
 
9:18 AM
@Magisch I think I will ask on meta to get your original avatar back..
 
@PetterFriberg I will upvote it!
 
I remember that ^ -- 3 users with decent questions posting links to that.
 
@Tunaki I remember that, there's a deleted answer right below that
 
Hiya
 
9:22 AM
Hiya
 
I always get some error and redirected to same page
 
@kayess Textbook too specific.
 
@Cerbrus Yes I have tried that like 5 times, I see now your vote works :\
 
9:28 AM
It's rejected
Matei Radu 58 secs ago Approve
Grrrr
 
hehe
 
@Cerbrus 392 rep :-)
 
Is this on topic ? stackoverflow.com/questions/39331346/… Even has an A that is NAA for my eyes
 
I still cannot reject doc edits.
 
Me neither, it just reloads the page
 
9:33 AM
@kayess OP and answerer have same name, different avatar
 
@Tunaki why?
 
meh nevermind...
 
the indentation is incorrect
 
@kayess That whole nopcommerce topic should just be deleted
 
@Tushar Maybe a mod could clear it up ?
 
9:37 AM
@kayess it is off topic
 
@kayess One account is 1.5 years old. Other is created today. Probably the same person.
no need to disturb mods
 
How do you delete a documentation topic?
 
@Cerbrus "Request improvement"
 
stackoverflow.com/documentation/review/changes/94985 <-- first step, remove copied content
 
@Tushar f -- OP wants to remove the comment above a specific tag, not all
 
9:44 AM
@Tunaki Retracting.
@Tunaki Dont' say f -- in this room or I'll kick you out. :P
 
@Tushar Eh :)
@Tushar OP deleted...
 
yea
 
@BhargavRao IMO, yes
 
9:48 AM
@BhargavRao: "Whilst this may theoretically answer the question" wut?
 
@Cerbrus definitely spam
 
Nowhere near to answering
 
@Cerbrus That's my top canned comment. Put that in there asap. Instead of the general "This is spam" comment
 
Ah
 
meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/334404/… doesn't have anything about changes to review privileges, which I almost sort-of half expected to find there, given that some people are suddenly having problems
 
10:14 AM
@Cerbrus That will not be enough. Since it is only topic it cannot be deleted. The whole documentation tag would (should) be removed. AFAIK that can currently be done manually. I am not sure what would be proper procedure to put such request in motion.
 
hi
what to do if there is a topic with 2 questions, both questions have their duplicate topics on their own, but I could not find a single topic that would cover both questions?
 
I guess you should create a third one and explain the both question doesn't answer completly your need
 
@Shadow Practically, you could vote to close as one, and someone else votes to close as the other
Then you get both duplicates
Ideally, you would ask OP to split his question so that there's only one question per question
Then close each as their individual duplicates.
 
@MadaraUchiha Very nice meta-answer :)
 
As it is, you can just comment with "look at <X> for the first question and <Y> for the second" then close as too broad
@Seth Yeah, I know there's no way that this is going to go well
But I won't let a user bash the moderation team over what I perceive to be an imaginary issue.
@Daedalus I don't like using the no mcve for "give me codez" questions
Because the reason states that it applies for "questions asking for debugging help" which implies that there is already code, but OP just assumed we could read their minds
The case of "give me code" is usually "too broad" for me, because you haven't tried anything, and there are a million ways to do the same thing, usually.
 
10:26 AM
@MadaraUchiha I'll remember that and not close using that reason in the future.
 
@MadaraUchiha I agree.
 
Sorry there.
 
@Daedalus That's OK, it's semantics, really.
 
@MadaraUchiha thanks for the answers. I took the 2nd approach.
 
10:31 AM
@MadaraUchiha What about regex questions? Answers are generally short(RegEx), just a few chars. Should they be closed as TB if there is only one answer possible?
 
No, these should be downvoted and answered.
 
@JanDvorak Depends on the question ;o
 
@JanDvorak If they're bad, why bothering to answer
 
Regex questions usually are unclear, though
 
@PetterFriberg Why
 
10:35 AM
just missing it
 
@Tushar If you haven't tried anything, yes. There's always more than one answer.
One possible answer for almost all trivial regex questions is "don't use regex, use the tools the language gives you"
 
@MadaraUchiha Yeah, but that's not always possible
 
OK then, too broad are they
 
We desperately need a specific answer for code requests.
Maybe to widen the scope of the no MCVE reason to include them.
 
@MadaraUchiha Please see this comment.
Is there related meta
 
10:40 AM
these are just meta discussions, just close the darn thingz and try to get the best message that can help user to fix the question
 
okay
 
normally on give meh codez etc you can fit multiple reasons too broad, unclear, mcve, pob, custom reason... I just go for what message I think is best for user.
and if very little energy in question, I put very little enery in close reason and choose unclear...
since its always unclear what they actually want? hence are you really asking us for only code??? : )
 
This's also spam, rite? stackoverflow.com/a/39468175/4099593 Can someone confirm?
 
@Magisch use this in your binary to text link and flag at if needed stackoverflow.com/questions/39467773/…
@Magisch no need it just stated "What a hacker.."
or POB you pick, it's from the SD report
 
10:56 AM
@SmokeDetector I black-listed that one! =D
Plop!
 
@Kyll Hiya! :D
 
Aloha Kyll
 
@BhargavRao I'm calling it spam.
 
@BhargavRao I just went for NAA
the que will take it down
 
blob kyll
 
11:00 AM
@MadaraUchiha: Is there a procedure in place to remove unnecessary documentation topics?
 
Ah, Fine. Thanks
 
@Cerbrus Good question
 
Yay :P
Another one: Do moderators have the tools to remove topics, @MadaraUchiha?
 
@Cerbrus I can't see one off hand on my UI
So it's probably On It's Wayâ„¢
 
There goes "Bug a mod 'till he removes the topic" as possible procedure. ;-)
 
11:10 AM
@Cerbrus I think for now we have some binding actions in terms of the review queue, short cutting edits and such things... as to any "moderator tooling" - I believe they're working on that as Docs progresses...
 
Seems like I missed the meta drama today: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/334413 I'm surprised that the conversation was just about two genders and nobody introduced a new one.
 
Then, I guess I'll just ask if there's anything you can de to remove more of stackoverflow.com/documentation/nopcommerce/5648/… ?
@JonClements: Looks like that meta thread got re-opened
 
@Rizier123 Madara did : ) "anything in between"
 
@Cerbrus No idea... I've personally avoided Docs until it stabilises into something I know what I'm expected to do with :)
@Cerbrus I know - Madara posted a very good answer :)
 
Just saw the answer (+1)
Still, imo, the question isn't looking for opinions, and is a dupe...
Did you notice it also got a horrible answer, @JonClements?
 
11:18 AM
The moderators have been as transparent as they can be... we'll keep an eye on it... we don't suppress free speech etc... meta has always had different "lines" than main, but there are still lines...
 
@PetterFriberg I'm an absolute novice in this topic, but seeing documentaries where they list over 4,000 different genders and saying that you can change them as many times as you want through out the day I'm surprised that the discussion in the meta post was just about "boys" and "girls". But Madara wrote a very good answer there.
 
@JonClements Imho, the expression "Free speech" is overrated and misused on meta. That said, I get what you're going for.
 
@Kyll: Didn't know that one yet. Thanks.
 
Yeah the answer is nice, it's a typical situation where lot of fuss for nothing, the main problem was that user felt abuse by moderator because being a girl but did not really see the true picture.. Let meta have some fun, can't really see why it should be closed, "The question is was I being abused by moderatore because I'm a girl", wheter we like or not it seems like a valid meta question
 
11:26 AM
Imo, it's just a rant based on a misconception, where the OP doesn't want to accept any opinion but her own.
It's not something we can use as dupe target, it doesn't add any valuable reference to the site.
 
@Cerbrus Exactly my train of thoughts.
 
Imo, it's garbage.
 
@Madara "questions (which are closed)" => "off-topic questions (which are closed)"
 
It's entertaining garbage though :]
 
Or yeah bad.
 
11:33 AM
Morning
 
@NathanOliver o/
 
@Cerbrus It is chicken or the egg problem. If female in question would be willing to accept any opinion but her own, then she would not have the problem with situation in the first place because she would be capable of seeing it is not gender issue at all.
 
@DalijaPrasnikar I can only agree with you.
 
user3956566
@Seth no man, we hadn't taken off yet.
 
11:43 AM
@Yvette Ahh xD
Oh well, nowadays using a phone in an airplane doesn't really cause much harm (otherwhise they wouldn't be allowed to be on board in the first place) :p
 
user3956566
yeh just got home from a nice holiday. I'll be around tomorrow. Bye \o
 
@Seth compulsory xkcd
 
@Yvette Aw.
@JonClements Oh, the last one about temperatures is great too
 
@JonClements ;D
 
@Yvette bye
 
@kayess Please use real reasons.
 
@NathanOliver Can you edit ? I can't now
 
No, only mods can. Its okay once and a while but we want the cv-pls to have real reasons in case we need to audit them.
 
@kayess Gime teh codez - aka lack of effort - is not a scope issue but a quality one
 
@Kyll almost always Too Broad though, as it usually entails "solve this problem for me" which can be done in a plethora of ways
 
11:59 AM
@NathanOliver Did you take a look here ? chat.stackoverflow.com/search?q=cv-pls&user=&room=41570 How many of this is not "real" ? I tell you a large number...
@Kyll Yes it's No MCVE
 
@Adriaan Agreed
 
Plop
 
@kayess And that is why we remind people when we see it because we want real reasons.
 
I do my boring "nut a scope issuez" speech every time I see one of those
 
@NathanOliver What kind of audits you mean btw ?
 
12:04 PM
@kayess We run through all the requests, check tendencies, whatever
 
@kayess If it comes up that we closed the Q and someone is upset we go back and look at the cv-pls to see who requested it and why.
 
^ Oh yeah also that
 
@NathanOliver But how does that matter? It's you who actually close voted, so it's a close vote issue not a stupid cv-pls request title issue :p
 
@kayess Yes but we want to know the reason for the requester. We want to know why it was brought to our attention in the first place.
I had not seen this xkcd
 
12:09 PM
@BhargavRao done
 
@BhargavRao done
 
1 was enough.
 
i did first
 
:o
 
:(
 
12:11 PM
Helpful flags for free @BhargavRao :D
 
@BhargavRao Isn't that question actually too broad?
 
@DalijaPrasnikar Yeah, But [android]; so it's acceptable ;) ...
 
@DalijaPrasnikar That question is too broad & pretty bad :|
 
SPAM
 
Yup, promoting a product
:<
 
12:21 PM
@Seth It's from NATO, It's free flags for all!
 
:D
 
@BhargavRao "free" flags? Oh... you hadn't heard we're starting charging £1.50 per flag now? Boy oh boy - are you in for a surprise when the invoice is issued :p
 
Damn, I need to stop flagging asap :D
 
lol
@JonClements do you know his address to issue a invoice?
 
Well... there's roughly 7 billion people on this planet... subset that to those with a name of Bhargav Rao - how hard would it be to walk from door to door to find the right one? :p
 
 
hard enough for a puppy i guess
 
We actually have some reasonable people on SO :)
 
hi
i got problem with my stackoverflow account
 
i removed my yahoo email which i log in stackoverflow
 
12:42 PM
Okay
 
don't know what to do and i fear to lose my account
 
Argh, I'm frustrated again. code-markdown doesn't work in bullet points, unless you add some HTML stuff, which I obviously don't speak. I added <!-- language: lang-matlab -->, but that doesn't work, adding <code> or <pre> blocks only results in everything being code instead of only whats between the HTML. Question link if someone can fix that
 
@Sandro Associate another email with ur account. I think it's possible.
 
Yes you should be able to associate another email in your profile.
 
you mean in my logings add another email
this section
 
12:44 PM
@Adriaan argh. I got the code block to render. Not sure if the highlighting is right
 
@NathanOliver should automatically be MATLAB, since that's the only language tag on it. Thanks. Why does it work this way, without additional HTML code to tell the markdown it's a code block?
 
i got this errror
Secure Connection Failed

An error occurred during a connection to stackoverflow.com. The OCSP response is not yet valid (contains a date in the future). Error code: SEC_ERROR_OCSP_FUTURE_RESPONSE
 
@Adriaan It has double the indentation to make it a code block
 
@Sandro ô.O
 
@NathanOliver that's so weird and useless... Thanks for the update anyhow
 
12:47 PM
np. Looks like it ignores the language formatting though. That might need a bug report.
 
i tried to add another email in my log in section in the stack profile and when click allow in google part i get this
 
@Sandro check the clock of your commuter (including timezone etc.)
 
yes that's not true
 

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