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12:09 AM
@DizzyCode ;_;
heey
 
12:25 AM
hi :D
 
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1:39 AM
@GabrielTomitsuka But if you don't have a college degree it's the next best thing (though it does matter more once you get enough experience after the degree)
 
hello
 
 
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3:11 AM
hmm, should I learn how to use Vim or stick with Atom?
//choose Vim or Atom
 
@michaelpri I choose Vim
 
That's what I thought
//choose Vim or Atom or Emacs or Sublime or Visual Studio
 
@michaelpri I choose Visual Studio
 
Nah
//choose Vim or Atom or Emacs or Sublime
 
@michaelpri I choose Vim
 
3:12 AM
good
 
nooooo
 
Yay
 
atom is bettar
 
Nah
 
mostly because vim is too powerful for me...
but still
 
3:17 AM
The learning curve is like this
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mhm i understand :P
so what does that mean
 
Well first it is very hard, then you get it
 
ok then
there's like an entire fanbase for vim
or so i've heard
 
There's a Vim and vi SE site
 
3:56 AM
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6:05 AM
@Unihedron You're still here or again? o.O
 
@ByteCommander gimme a break, it's morning already, I have the rights to wake up when I've slept enough
 
Of course it's morning in HK.
It's even morning here and I am 6h before you.
 
Ok.
 
or behind?
It's too early to wonder about timezones...
Yes, I am 6h behind you - it's already 2pm in HK.
And that's what you call morning?
And I thought my biorhythm is in the wrong time zone...
 
6:43 AM
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Ok
Is this room contains ios developers?
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Q: Detect video start playing in WKWebView

Vishnu Kumar. SI'm using WKWebView for loading an youtube page. I need to detect the video starts playing in the webview in inline mode and in the full screen mode. I tried MPMoviePlayerController Notifiers but they are not calling. But the same is working in UIWebView. So my question is, Is there any differe...

 
7:01 AM
@VishnuKumar.S At the moment, this room contains me (hates apple), a bot (Skynet), the omnipotent Unihedron and a guy called hyrumcoop I never saw around yet... So I guess your chances are not the best, except if you want to bother Uni.
But beware, he tends to be grumpy, especially when people ask dumb questions or don't know what they're talking about... ;)
 
7:29 AM
Morning!
 
Morning!
 
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1:26 PM
I SOOO suck at designing
 
Yes, you do.
 
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@GabrielTomitsuka I'm confused. Everything but the center looks really nice.
 
@Griffin Problem is, the sidebar is a part of a library. And the header is pretty straightforward to do.
 
@GabrielTomitsuka So the only part you did sucks.
 
1:33 PM
@Griffin Yeah
<- Back-end guy
 
@GabrielTomitsuka ::hugs:: it's just positioning. You'll work it out pretty quick.
 
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Hi, I compiled a simple c++ program for MIPS architecture using buildroot, but it thorws me this error: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
 
@GabrielTomitsuka what's this for?
 
@Ahmad I have equity in a few startups.
 
1:44 PM
well, I guess you have an extra "(", can't really tell without code
 
@redbeam_ Okay.... did you look at your code for a parentheses that seems to be in the wrong place?
 
My code is totally right, it works flawlessly on my system (x86), but after cross-compiling for MIPS, it gives me that error when I try to start it. It's just a simple HelloWorld program for testing.
 
"My code is totally right, it works flawlessly on my system" - Every programmer ever.
 
Now it looks a bit better
@Griffin Wait, you're new here.
What languages do you know?
 
@GabrielTomitsuka Currently I use C# at work.
 
1:57 PM
@Griffin rofl
 
Was taught Java in college. Learned C++ and self studied PHP in highschool . Learned various languages on my own.
@Unihedron It does Java better.
 
@Griffin That was just to point out that it is not a typo in my code
 
@redbeam_ I know I was joking.
 
@Griffin Nice. Check my projects: github.com/gtomitsuka
I'm now updating my fork of finalhandler.
(internal dependency for express and connect)
 
hello everyone
 
2:03 PM
Javascript is a cancer.
 
@Griffin Cancer is not countable, neither is how poor your English is.
 
@Griffin It's your opinion. I totally disagree and <3 Node.
@Unihedron Good one Uni :P
 
@GabrielTomitsuka Apparently Typescript is okay.
 
@GabrielTomitsuka That's your opinion. Neither of your opinions matter.
@Griffin In an alternate dimension where scripting languages mocking compiled-to languages are "okay".
 
@Unihedron It might be irrelevant for you, but in case @Griffin and I are going to start a discussion on whether JS sucks or not it might be relevant.
 
2:06 PM
@GabrielTomitsuka I forbid it.
It's now forbidden.
 
@Unihedron I'm a room owner.
 
@GabrielTomitsuka I'm a room leader.
 
And question your authority.
 
Your questioning is futile.
 
So? This room is a democracy.
 
2:07 PM
how can we implement a queue in scala using List and other data structure??
 
No, it's not.
 
any references plz
 
@Aamir By wrting code.
 
haha
I didn't know that
 
You do now.
Go learn scala.
 
2:08 PM
@Unihedron Yes it is.
 
i know little scala but need the queue implement right now
so thatz why i am asking
 
I accept paypal, dogecoins, and meowcoins.
What's your offer?
 
@GabrielTomitsuka While I haven't used it Typescript looks better. I like more strongly typed languages. It makes being defensive soooo much easier. I don't just sit there and assume everything will work.
 
@Griffin I know how V8 works, so I don't sit there and assume everything will work. I run it and make sure everything will work.
 
2:10 PM
I know how to write a queue in Java but here in scala its different
 
Also, I work with Node and server-side stuff, so usually I don't have to bother with backwards-compatibility and IE8.
 
@Aamir What you know about Java is irrelevant when you're working with Scala.
This is the last time I'll repeat myself. Go learn Scala. If it's urgent, pay up.
 
I know and I am stuck only because List is immutable is scala, we can't access List using index in scala
 
@GabrielTomitsuka It's not just backwards compatibility it's when you start dealing with outside sources.
 
@GabrielTomitsuka Are you kidding? Who cares about IE8?
 
2:13 PM
@Griffin I use a limited subset of libraries and know the source of most of them.
@Unihedron A few companies I work with.
 
@Unihedron Have you had a developing job that involved the web in any way?
 
@GabrielTomitsuka Your point?
 
then there's me who writes scss, js, and python
 
@Unihedron 90% of our customers are still at IE 8.
 
@Griffin That would be building my school website.
 
2:14 PM
@Unihedron Corporate level academia doesn't count.
 
@Unihedron That I don't have to "assume" everything will work - I know everything will work.
 
Things I build/work with don't bother with IE 9 and below
 
@Griffin Then it depends. Three roles professional, five roles unprofessionally but under credit.
 
@Griffin Google Analytics showed you?
 
And Firefox/Chrome/Safari always work anyways (until you find a rare bug that something works in IE but not in Firefox)
 
@Luke Thank you. These people didn't deserve my effort of looking up the link, but I would link it otherwise.
 
@GabrielTomitsuka No. We're trying to get them to switch so we can work with newer technologies. We have to send people to their company to teach them how to use IE?11?.
 
What do you work with that requires IE 8 support?
Hospitals? Schools? Libraries?
 
@Firedrake969 Some websites that no one uses, I would guess.
 
@Firedrake969 Finance / Legal.
 
2:16 PM
I was close.
 
@Unihedron Heh, apparently
 
@Unihedron Our department brings in close to 100m in revenue.....
 
should've taught them to use Chrome or Firefox or any other auto-updating browser on time
 
@Griffin Do you do frontend or backend?
 
@Griffin Cool beans.
 
2:17 PM
@Firedrake969 Both.
@Luke If I made those kind of decisions.
 
So what sort of finance/legal websites need HTML5 technologies/CSS3 features like canvas?
 
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@Unihedron It's used quite heavily.
 
Example of a site?
 
well, right, some things you cannot escape
 
2:18 PM
(such as "facts" given on the internet)
 
I had to install WinXP on a computer recently, because 512MB RAM and "Ubuntu is too complicated"
 
@Luke rofl
 
@Firedrake969 I'm confused at what you want.
 
Not funny
 
That's the best joke I've heard this year.
 
2:19 PM
1.6GHz CPU, and some VIA GPU
my damn phone, which was 130eur, has better specs
 
@Griffin As am I, because there's nothing really right now.
Any of you web devs use Docker?
 
@Luke Welcome to the real world where experts can't use computers.
 
@Griffin Why do you need to teach them to use Chrome?
 
@Unihedron "experts"*
 
@Firedrake969 No.
 
2:20 PM
well, that computer is only used for retrieving PDFs and printing them anyway
 
It's amazing. Especially with docker-compose
 
but it still hurts
 
@Firedrake969 I think it was largely Javascript support.
 
Use a shim
But why are you replying to my comment about docker/docker-compose?
 
It's quite straightforward. The Safari -> Chrome migration was really simple for me and I got used to it within an hour.
 
2:21 PM
Chrome > all if you have enough RAM
 
I know that 60-year olds don't adapt that easily, but hey, why not?
 
and really browsers are similar enough now
but my target audience isn't 60-yr-olds anyways
 
@Firedrake969 8GB RAM on a Macbook Pro.
 
Because then we lose customers if those 60 year olds get mad.
 
@GabrielTomitsuka Either 8 or 12 GB on a hackintosh
 
2:22 PM
@GabrielTomitsuka What do you mean 60 years old?
 
@Griffin Well, that's your target audience. Not mine.
 
As part time when I was younger, I worked at a computer store.
 
right, just pick some that's translated to your native lang
 
You'd be amazed at how many 20-40 y'olds break their computer with incorrect settings on their games.
And of course, being windows, they break easily.
 
I resent that
 
2:23 PM
@Unihedron Some target audiences like law and government have an user average age of 60 y'old.
 
but I don't care much because I use OSX and windows
@GabrielTomitsuka Not as if IE is the easiest to use
 
@GabrielTomitsuka Yes. That and people just really hate change. @Firedrake969 It's not about what's easiest. It's about what they're used to.
 
True
But, really, how different is IE from any other browser besides css/html support?
 
@Firedrake969 very.
 
UI-wise?
 
2:26 PM
@Firedrake969 XHTML support missing for IE8.
 
@GabrielTomitsuka Forget XHTML support, IE8 fails to support any standard in rec.
 
Oh, and you can't count how many JS bugs on IE8.
 
@Firedrake969 But what about their tool bars?
They don't know how to get the weather without their weather.com toolbar.
 
Uh, this?
 
Yes. Lots and lots of that.
 
2:27 PM
That's a fault of windows users in general.
Not really the problem of IE.
Chrome has toolbars too.
 
It does?
Last time I used IE for anything besides a Chrome download was years ago
 
@Unihedron But then they'd have to find the toolbars all over. Imagine all the random software they'd have to download to get all their software back.
 
@Firedrake969 Last time I used Windows was years ago.
 
Why?
 
@Griffin Oh, and did I mention how Windows users doesn't read the download wizard?
 
2:28 PM
No idea how to get toolbars on Chrome, anyways
 
It's just bashing the "next" button until progress bars appear, otherwise restart.
 
@Firedrake969 It doesn't support JSON.parse() and JSON.stringify() by default, no Array.prototype.forEach nor any other Array utility method, Object.getPropertyNames() and stuff, reserved words as property keys(I lost time debugging it), and so on.
 
@Unihedron I know how people operate. Why do you dislike windows?
 
@GabrielTomitsuka I meant UI wise, but you're proving my point - IE is bad.
 
@Griffin Allow me not to reiterate, I'm kinda busy.
Come back to this chat room tomorrow and we can have a proper discourse.
 
2:29 PM
I have to go now - nice chat about how bad IE is :P
 
@Griffin It's usually slower than Linux, and has annoying update manager
 
Bye.
 
also ADB drivers usually don't work, or are extremely buggy
 
@Luke Oh, drivers?
 
@Griffin It doesn't even have Function.prototype.bind(), how am I supposed to work on it?
 
2:30 PM
Isn't that a Windows thing? They fail to be compatible with peripherals, so they make up "outdated drivers" and crap when realistically, real OSes doesn't implement drivers.
 
@Unihedron Have you ever installed Arch Linux?
 
@Griffin It goes back to MS-DOS.
 
@Luke I mean..... if your hardware isn't terrible you shouldn't be having any speed problems. And you can't just like.... you know restart when you log off / go to bed?
 
@Griffin Jump to the point.
 
@GabrielTomitsuka That's why we're trying to get people to update.
@Unihedron You still use drivers in Linux.
 
2:33 PM
@Griffin I didn't say otherwise.
 
@Grifin it takes forever to boot, compared to Ubuntu
 
@Unihedron So Linux isn't a real OS?
 
also, I can't find working ADB driver for Sony phone, neither on win7, win8 or win10
 
@Griffin Terminal/Command Line isn't POSIX compatible?
 
@Luke What kind of boot time are we talking here? Now your Sony phone is a different story but I mean switching your main OS because of a phone driver seems a little extreme.
 
2:34 PM
@Griffin Of course Linux is a real operating system. It doesn't implement drivers the way ADB drivers are.
 
@GabrielTomitsuka Yeah.... Windows terminal is terrible.
 
Windows has a terminal?
 
@Unihedron Yeah, but it's MS-DOS.
 
Does it even work? The commands changes within each Threshold version.
My win7 doesn't have "netsh" even.
 
2-3 minutes on win10 preview, similar in win7. win8 hybrid boot was nice, but I can't mount NTFS from Ubuntu then
@Griffin well, when I'm developing an app for Android, I need debug bridge
emulators are painfully slow
 
2:37 PM
@Unihedron I haven't touched Windows outside of my school for years.
 
@Luke And that's completely logical. I've had times where I've had to switch so then I can get shit done. Especially when I needed that terminal. But I generally go back after I'm done.
 
@GabrielTomitsuka Same.
I still have to go to school though, at least until I graduate. It's the prerequisite for local jobs here.
 
@Griffin right, I still dual-boot, but I mainly use Ubuntu because it can do the same things + has working ADB
I'm on Windows only when I feel the urge to play some games :p
 
What kind of games only runs on Windows anyway?
 
and startup/shutdown times are <1 min
 
2:38 PM
@Unihedron If you drop off school because they use Windows,
 
And the above is a rhetorical question.
@GabrielTomitsuka I don't. I bring my own laptop.
 
But I often finish the coursework in ICT lessons early since the programming tasks are idiotic and feel the urge to help other students.
 
Games are usually faster on Windows tbh
 
And their workstations are Windows because our MMLC PCs are in windows 7.
 
2:39 PM
@Unihedron Anyway, I pretend going to university and getting a CE degree
 
@Luke Everyday things are generally easier on Windows.
 
@Luke I'll just throw the experience card here and invalidate your statement.
 
@Luke Ever tried on a Mac?
 
@Griffin Your statement is too vague to be constructive.
 
The graphics are great on my Mac and stuff are really fast.
 
2:40 PM
Windows itself is so slow that the programming from native application layer is neglible.
It doesn't even natively support processes. Everything works in temporary files.
 
@Griffin like?
@Unihedron okay, it depends on a game, but usually the ones with better graphics
@GabrielTomitsuka no money for that :p
 
@Luke An OS that performs IO constantly is fault for the speed, not the fault of the game.
You don't even know what you're saying, do you.
 
@Luke Name something your average user does that's faster on Linux?
 
"no money for that" -> Ubuntu is free. Windows has licensing fees.
If you have the money for Windows...
 
@Unihedron He meant Macs
 
2:42 PM
@GabrielTomitsuka Mac is an expensive Linux indeed.
 
@Unihedron Hehe
 
But as a functional OS, Mac isn't at all the most superior Linux.
 
@Unihedron You get stuff done faster than other Linux builds.
Sorry
But the great thing is that companies actually care if their software is Mac-compatible
 
@GabrielTomitsuka Previous benchmarks are against your statement.
 
So, Xamarin, many games, and stuff unavailable for other Linux builds are there on Mac.
@Unihedron Yeah right.
 
2:44 PM
@Unihedron could be OS's fault. Okay, when AC or Civ is published for Ubuntu, I won't touch Windows anymore
@Griffin Boot speeds, updates. But okay, I suppose other speeds are roughly the same for the average user. But in my experience, Ubuntu performs better when under stress than Windows
@Unihedron I'm on win10 preview atm, doesn't cost anything :p
 
@GabrielTomitsuka There are also stuff available for generic Linux but not on Windows or Mac.
 
@Unihedron I counter your experience card and play the "prove it"
 
Mac is way simpler to use than other Linux builds
 
@Luke Why are you spamming with pings?
 
@Unihedron Show me one thing that doesn't have a Mac equivalent
 
2:44 PM
Trying to reply to you all
 
@Unihedron Are we talking speed of computer doing operations or speed that user can complete a task.
 
I've just pinged those who pinged me originally
 
@Luke Use the arrow to reply.
 
There's an arrow? Interesting...
okay, will do
I'm bad with long replies. Or replies in general
 
@Luke It's a pain in the arse because you have to click it. I hate switching from keyboard to mouse just to reply.
 
2:45 PM
@Griffin You can't counter my card because you only have a "prove it" card.
 
@Unihedron Show us the benchmarks...
I've never tried benchmarking users.
 
@GabrielTomitsuka Of course I'm right, I've studied operating systems and PLT. You're just assuming.
 
Lol.
 
Your minutes of googling and relying on lottery doesn't do much.
 
@Unihedron Enlighten us boy.
 
2:49 PM
@Griffin I'm not your boy. Also, be more specific.
 
Show us these benchmarks you speak of.
 
3:24 PM
less than 200,000 to go until 10M :D
which is quite a lot, so aug. 7 is probably wrong...
//alive
 
@DizzyCode Indeed :D
 
//choose java or python
 
@DizzyCode I choose java
 
@Skynet You make the worst of decisions.
 
@Unihedron i don't know what you mean
java stands for
Java is
Absolutely
Verifably
Awesome
 
3:31 PM
//choose nerds or not nerds
 
@michaelpri I choose not nerds
 
:(
 
Boo nerds are so much better
//choose lying or truthing
 
@michaelpri I choose lying
 
@DizzyCode Recursive definitions are pointless because their authors lack understanding.
 
3:32 PM
//choose :D or :'(
 
@DizzyCode I choose :D
 
//choose nerds or not nerds
 
@michaelpri I choose nerds
 
@Unihedron There's a difference between a definition and an acronym
JAVA is an acronym
 
Yay!!! Go nerds!!!
 
3:33 PM
there's nothing wrong with recursive usage
 
@DizzyCode Java is not an acronym.
 
>:)
in my context it is
 
Java != JAVA
@DizzyCode Your context is wrong.
 
Java is
absolutely
verifably
awesome
== Java
 
That was weird
 
3:34 PM
was skynet acting up
 
Yeah, I don't know why
 
that was creepy
 
//alive
 
@DizzyCode Indeed :D
 
@ProgramFOX @JacobGray I'm gonna be away this weekend, so if you make a change to Skynet, make sure it works or else it will be dead the rest of the weekend.
 
3:38 PM
add the //annoy command :D
 
Oh don't worry, no one would mind.
 
 
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5:53 PM
8 ghosts moved to Hell
 
6:07 PM
hah
 
6:38 PM
@ByteCommander: I recolored clashing colors in the tournament schedule. Update the script: hastebin.com/asodaxuqoq.css
 
7:15 PM
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hello any human here?
@Skynet are you a bot?
 
7:32 PM
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8:38 PM
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Q: resetting a variable back to starting value in a nested loop

Mr AssistanceI wish to reset my variable i back to 100 after the first loop has completed its run. Currently once i enter the second loop my i variable begins at 600, but i want to reset this back to 100. Help would be much appreciated. I cant just state i = 100 again as i has already been declared. int i ...

:/ what kind of a question is this
 
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@Mahesha999 Yes I am !!
 
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