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@Zoe but it is a fact that anyone who admits to having mental health issues is ostracised and viewed with suspicion by society as a whole. There is an awful lot of misinformation, intolerance and prejudice against sufferers. Is it any surprise that Yvette wanted to defend herself and her sanity. If someone is under considerable stress from the real world and then in the very world where she hoped to escape to, it takes nothing, nothing, just a turn of phrase to make that person snap.
It's a fact that people under considerable stress and pressure interpret innocent words differently from "normal" people. To you or me they seem to be exaggerating, but every negative word (and the term "mental health" carries negative baggage) can be felt as another shard of glass. A little more compassion, understanding, empathy and less criticism would make the world a better place.
That still doesn't make it better. There were a lot of better ways this could've been handled that didn't involve an assumption there was an attack. I would've understood if there was an actual attack involved, but here? There was no attack and nothing to defend against. No implication she has mental health issues. There's nothing even remotely borderline in a way that would've justified that interpretation.
Turning what Makoto initially said into a perceived attack, followed by attacking Makoto (this type of behavior is so incredibly backwards) honestly made me lose a lot of my respect for…
Turning what Makoto initially said into a perceived attack, followed by attacking Makoto (this type of behavior is so incredibly backwards) honestly made me lose a lot of my respect for…
I realized something a few years ago: if you assume people are out to get you, that's what it's going to look like. If you think someone is following you, then you'll start noticing non-signs that you are, and wonder how long that van has been parked there. Assuming that is, however, a great defense mechanism. Preparing for stuff that might never come at least means you're prepared if they do. I've used this technique a lot myself, for valid reasons I don't feel like discussing.
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That, however, only works if you're able to filter out the non-problem situations. That especially applied here, where Yvette intentionally put herself back in the spotlight. Something I've never properly understood with this entire situation is: if part of Yvette's problem is a subsection of users who may not want her to become mod again for whatever reasons, and she doesn't want to deal with that, why post on meta, and not give some benefit of the doubt?
Discard the benefit of the doubt and stop assuming good faith -- that's pretty much all you need for a social recipe for disaster. Whatever underlying reasons triggered it, the attack Yvette launched was still uncalled for. You're right we all need to be understanding, but doing this and then running away from it, blaming the other party in the discussion? That's not good, regardless of the angle.
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@Zoe
where Yvette intentionally put herself back in the spotlight
one might opine that once the reinstatement application was rejected, she felt compelled to run in the elections to prove to "them", the company and her detractors, and to herself that she was a good and strong moderator.
I'm sorry but she left SO (temporarily) with the understanding that she could return to her old job. So, someone in the mod team objected, and she has to go through the whole election palaver. Yvette was not suspended, as far as I can tell, she didn't violate any CoC, as far as I know. What was her crime? That she believed that Monica should have apologised to another moderator, I don't know if Yvette was right or wrong to think that, but it was her opinion at the time.
@Mari-LouA I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here - I had and no objections to Yvette getting reinstated. That being said, the optimal scenario, in my opinion, for the election was that she didn't win, and that a new round in the reinstatement process worked, and that she got reinstated instead of reelected. I have nothing against Yvette, and I didn't hope for this to happen. Yvette was suspended on main (which didn't follow into chat because chat is b0rk3d) and she literally asked for it
@CodyGray the moderation you've done on this post is the most supported I've ever felt by you, in fact probably the only time I've felt support from you. Thank you. It's a good way to end things. Take care. I've asked Catija to suspend my account and change the username until it can be deleted. Bye — Yvette yesterday
I am referring to this section: "That especially applied here, where Yvette intentionally put herself back in the spotlight. Something I've never properly understood with this entire situation is: if part of Yvette's problem is a subsection of users who may not want her to become mod again for whatever reasons, and she doesn't want to deal with that, why post on meta, and not give some benefit of the doubt?" My interpretation of "meta" INCLUDES her self-nomination on meta.
I know. That being said, AFAIK, the system requires two people to vote against her. It's still fairly stupid, and the system is broken, but accuracy matters
> Any single current mod objecting to reinstatement is enough to block the request (or for a site with > 6 mods, at least two mods voting against)
I still have no idea what you're trying to argue. It sounds like you're trying to defend Yvette's reinstatement or decision to run again, which I've never argued against. What happened after she took a break has been far from optimal, and the reinstatement process isn't making it better. Again, I didn't hope this would happen - kinda saw it coming about a day in advance though
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@Zoe Very wise words. I will definitely be observant of my own thoughts from now on. Law of attraction says we attract what we think about whether we want it or not. It is really difficult to develop the habit of constantly monitoring own thoughts but this habit needs to be developed for a peaceful life.
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