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12:00 AM
@AdrianMole it is sinister.
 
I think this guy's account got hacked.
 
Well, one could argue that being a mod is an endurance test.
 
@10Rep That's a likely possibility.
 
@Catija But not one with a 20 meter pacer test.
 
There is nothing in the message itself that would show any sign of malice.
Perphaps the nominee could explain themselves in the chat or in the comment section
 
12:04 AM
@Dharman What would you do if you saw that posted as an answer?
 
@Tamás Sengel, could you please explain what you mean?
 
@10Rep You know pinging people who aren't in the room only works if you're a mod, right?
 
@AdrianMole As an answer on Stack Overflow I would consider this to be an abuse. But I am pretty sure one of SE sites would be a suitable place for this kind of answer. Of course it is copy-pasted, which would probably warrant deletion either way.
 
@Catija The only reason I'm here is because someone pinged me here.
 
But you'd been here recently.
 
12:06 AM
If you've talked in the room in the last 2 weeks, pings from other users work.
 
Ok, thanks @Catija
According to Andras, this is simply just a pun for the moderation election process.
 
@Catija Lets hope that's it :)
 
@Catija Fortunately, there is currently a once-in-a-lifetime once-every-couple-years opportunity to fix one's inability to do that.
 
:D
 
@Catija lol...It might be a copy-paste mistake. Or it might be a marketing move, like those advertisements where they post something without brand and let you wait a few days (to build up suspense and expectation) before you finally get to know what it's about.
 
12:08 AM
@RyanM Only gives you the ability on two of the three servers. Only ChrisF can do it on all three as a non-employee. :D
@bad_coder Viral marketing?
Seems like an odd choice for a 40k user.
 
I don't think this is a joke. This guy seems to be a good user. He moderates the site by editing, and he answers questions as well. I mean, he is a 40k user. Either his account got hacked, or his 12 year old kid started messing with the computer :)
 
@Catija there's sure to be a technical term for it, viral simply means it gets forwarded a lot in a short time. (This case would be different.)
 
Are nomination messages editable by the poster? (edited to clarify I meant by the OP)
 
@RyanM No, maybe for mods, but definitely not for everyone else.
 
The nominee and diamond users can edit them.
 
12:11 AM
@Catija maybe your diamond can - not ours :)
 
Oh, right.
 
And CMs can probably delete them
 
Not delete so much as withdraw the candidate.
 
I am curious if you withdrew the unserious candidate on Skeptics, tho. I can get the "I am so ready!!!" (5/40) folks, but that one really stretched the definition of "serious"
 
Ugh. When did copypasta become a thing on the Internet? Why have I only started hearing about it in the last year, and primarily from my younger brother?
 
12:16 AM
@Machavity I wasn't running that election. Cesar was.
I posted the questionnaire because it got forgotten but that's all I did.
 
What's the policy in removing comments on a nomination?
 
@AndrewMyers Copypasta was originated in 2006.
 
@Scratte AFAIK, the same as any other comment
 
I prefer coffee and pasta.
 
@Machavity But there's no option to flag them :(
 
12:18 AM
@10Rep Well, I ain't old enough to be too old for that. I guess I just never learned the Internet completely :(
 
@Scratte Yeah, that is a problem. And you can't link to them either. Can always mod flag one of your own posts, or you can get lucky as I did last year and have a mod notice you talking about it
 
.... or you could ping me.
 
I mean one of the comments is asking for a completely different user to consider nominating themselves :( I don't understand why it's there
 
What if these are the only two nominations? Obviously, the first person will get voted for, and the second person won't get any votes. In that case, will the first person be the only moderator elected?
 
@Machavity Doesn't this link work? No - just testing.
 
12:20 AM
@10Rep no, the entire election will fail and nobody will get elected.
 
@AdrianMole Nope
 
@Catija Is "you", me? :)
 
The URL looks like it should work, though.
 
@Machavity every good election needs a not-serious nominee. Famous examples in recent memory Beppe Grillo, Ilona Staller and Tiririca
 
@pppery What if the second person got one vote?
 
12:21 AM
That's not how voting works (it's ranked-choice)
 
@bad_coder I loved Gordon's comment under this nomination
 
Also, I really wish I people wouldn't change their names so often. I kind of backed off of Meta.SO about 8 months ago so now I'm having to figure out who everybody is these days...
 
But the entire election would fail anyway. It always fails unless there are more candidates than available positions.
 
Ok
 
@AndrewMyers Catija is really Shog9 but shhh
5
 
12:23 AM
@Machavity That explains why she seems so smart
 
@Machavity They're both hired mods. Unless of course @Catija did plastic surgery :D
 
@Machavity I wish.
 
@Machavity lol I checked it, perfect :D
 
@Scratte Yah. :P
I had a userscript that let you link to comments on elections but it seems to be broken.
@10Rep Actually, Shog was never a mod. :)
 
I'm going to try it a little differently..
 
12:26 AM
@Catija Then how did he have power on the site? I'm baffled :)
 
Seriously?
 
@Catija Well, you already use "ya'll" a lot, so just start adding random anecdotes about life in Colorado and magically make it tie in with the conversation and you'll be there...
 
@10Rep Shog was a Community Manager... which is what I am. He's been active on SO since the beginning but he was never a moderator here.
 
oh.
 
@AndrewMyers Heh, I use "y'all" and I do that because I'm from Texas. :P Also, Shog knows a lot more about gardening than I do and he actually likes booze.
 
12:28 AM
But he could become a moderator.
 
@AdrianMole And be a good one too
 
Indeed. But he's always insisted that moderation wasn't his game.
 
I'd love to be a "fly on the wall" for his training sessions.
 
I'm not sure how you train someone who built half the systems to use them ;)
 
He'd have to be untrained for the things mods can't do that CMs can.
 
12:31 AM
Such as hard deleting a user's account, and taking leave to the Bahamas, right?
 
I can't imagine being without the access after having had it for so long.
 
@10Rep If you want to get more philosophical, Shog9 had power because he had wisdom and the community trusted him (and still does). Even without being a CM, people still pay attention to what he says.
 
@AndrewMyers Yes, I looked through meta and understood that.
 
:( Poor guy.
 
12:35 AM
@10Rep Exactly
 
@Machavity Whoa, I did not read that comment. LOL
 
@Catija it's perhaps better to remove the spam text from the 2nd candidacy. Regulars have had their fun here in chat, and in case it was a hacked account editing would protect the image of the member in question.
 
Oh, I was wrong, I can't edit them, either.
Probably for the best.
 
@Catija well above my pay grade then...
 
@Machavity I love how that comment got the better of the Question :)
 
12:41 AM
Indeed
 
It even got more votes than the +'s and the -'s of the Question combined
@bad_coder It would be a strange hack though. Everything else on the profile is fine.
 
@Scratte everything else doesn't get the attention of something linked in red from SO main page....!! (So that's what holds value.)
 
@bad_coder There are three outcomes. It was hacked, and they notice, and they send an email. It wasn't hacked and some explanation will come. It wasn't hacked and no explanation will come. In any case, it may not a good idea to remove them from the nomination just yet.
 
@Scratte those are 2 outcomes, and a few causes.
 
@bad_coder There's no indication of a hack. I've been poking at things. Seems... to be intentional.
 
12:49 AM
Perhaps they inadvertently left a postit note with their password on their monitor.. and tomorrow they'll change the password :D
 
@Catija in that case it wouldn't be unthinkable someone payed for the space or the experiment...(and I don't think there's a hard rule against it either.)
 
Whether it's intentional or not... would we want a moderator whose account (and tools) could become controlled by a hacker?
 
Not sure, but I don't think anyone is actually going to go out and got one of those fitness things just because it's on here..
@AndrewMyers Doesn't that apply for everyone, including the ones that are already moderators?
I mean.. should we remove all diamonds? Just to be sure :)
 
@Scratte to be extra safe we should just redirect the entire site to shouldiblamecaching.com
 
1:02 AM
@bad_coder It's not going to hurt much until I can talk to JNat about it in the morning.
 
I think I figured out how to link nomination comments. stackoverflow.com/election/12#comment-110995317
 
You can only nominate yourself as a candidate during the nomination phase. You'll need at least 3000 reputation, have these badges (Civic Duty, Strunk & White, Deputy, Convention), and cannot have been suspended anywhere on the Stack Exchange network within the past year. You cannot nominate another user.
 
wim
1:34 AM
what score calculat
 
The 40-point candidate score is calculated this way: 1 point for each 1,000 reputation up to 20,000 reputation (for 20 points); and 1 point for each of the 8 moderation, 6 participation, and 6 editing badges
 
wim
how many participants will survive the sudden death jousting round?
 
We won't know for sure until the election ends.
 
wim
@ElectionBot any humans still alive after the joust? or only bots
 
@wim enough playing around, I'm still awaiting your nomination
 
1:57 AM
@ElectionBot Why was the second nomination removed?
 
@10Rep it failed to complete a lap before the sound
 
hehe
 
@10Rep The user did it themselves.
 
2:17 AM
@Catija Well, did he bother give an explanation?
 
:shrug:
 
that's just sad
proves that high rep users can sometimes be weird
 
2:31 AM
Who knows... maybe they'll resubmit with a more appropriate statement.
 
 
1 hour later…
3:51 AM
who are the candidates?
 
Currently there is 1 candidate: customcommander
 
why are there fewer candidates now?
 
Candidates may withdraw their nomination any time before the election phase. Nominations made in bad faith, or candidates who do not meet the requirements may also be removed by community managers.
 
can users edit diamonds into their usernames?
 
No one is able to edit the diamond symbol (♦) into their username.
 
3:54 AM
what is my candidate score
 
message edits do not work
 
Who is the candidates ?
 
Currently there is 1 candidate: customcommander
 
Can I run in the election?
 
@Undo sorry, you already have a diamond!
 
4:04 AM
dang, nice
Can I start a coup?
 
@Undo hmm... no.
 
... was that an easter egg?
 
How much are moderators paid?
 
Elected ♦ moderators is an entirely voluntary role, and they are not paid by Stack Exchange.
 
Can I get rich being a moderator?
 
4:07 AM
@Undo hey, you already have a diamond!
 
taking that as a yes
 
@ElectionBot So... appointed diamond mods are paid?!!! Wow, I missed out when I was one of those.
 
@ElectionBot Hello?
 
Well, if you sell the hats...
 
Ugh, I lost my hat and I'm pissed because we don't have them any more.
@AnnZen It's a bot...
Edits don't work. Sam mentioned that earlier. :)
 
4:09 AM
@AnnZen goodbye?
 
@ElectionBot Fine!
 
... Um... Hmmm.
 
wtf just happened
 
in ElectionBot Development, 49 secs ago, by Samuel Liew
@ElectionBot say :49843344 goodbye?
 
score calculat what
 
4:10 AM
The 40-point candidate score is calculated this way: 1 point for each 1,000 reputation up to 20,000 reputation (for 20 points); and 1 point for each of the 8 moderation, 6 participation, and 6 editing badges
 
Cool
 
Is Sam actually controlling the account also? Or did he put in some very specific easter eggs?
 
@AndrewMyers Manual control, definitely
Kinda fun to do
 
@ElectionBot I can't get mad at you :)
 
The logic for what response to give is beautiful. github.com/samliew/se-electionbot/blob/master/src/index.js. Genuinely impressed.
 
4:11 AM
aw thanks
 
Figured you'd done some fancy AI thing at first.
Best part is you can read the code and then talk like a caveman
WHO NEW MOD
 
The election is not over yet.
 
.every()
 
yeah
 
@Big_Data_Analyst As one of the mods whose profile says that, I want to clarify that it says, don't send moderators personal emails with your concerns about moderation action taken on the site. We are all highly receptive to concerns/suggestions when raised on appropriate channels, like Meta Stack Overflow.
 
4:13 AM
WHO IS CANDIDATE
 
Currently there is 1 candidate: customcommander
 
the 12yo in me loves this
 
@Undo now feel free to control custom replies from the dev room
 
@Undo yabba dabba doo
 
user3657941
Is there a way to opt out of moderator notifications?
 
4:15 AM
@Undo Well.... not always :p
 
What does the number 49843344 represent? The election bot? A user id?
 
@AnnZen Chat message ID
 
Lemme see...
 
and the long version
 
How to nominate someone else?
 
4:19 AM
You can only nominate yourself as a candidate during the nomination phase. You'll need at least 3000 reputation, have these badges (Civic Duty, Strunk & White, Deputy, Convention), and cannot have been suspended anywhere on the Stack Exchange network within the past year. You cannot nominate another user.
 
@ElectionBot say something
 
Are moderators paid with awesome hats?
 
Elected ♦ moderators is an entirely voluntary role, and they are not paid by Stack Exchange.
 
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compensat how mods
 
4:24 AM
Elected ♦ moderators is an entirely voluntary role, and they are not paid by Stack Exchange.
 
give me diamonds
.... hmmm... that doesn't do anything.
:D
 
@Catija you don't need more than one
 
help
 
@ElectionBot Oh... so what should I do with the other 175 of them?
 
Give them to the poor :D
 
4:26 AM
@Catija You needed add, edit or insert instead of give :p
 
that's ... not how it works
 
Fanatic
 
add me ♦ pls thank
ahh
you need name too .-.
name add me ♦ pls thank
 
No one is able to edit the diamond symbol (♦) into their username.
 
what is my score?
 
4:27 AM
@Nick ... why don't you just run for moderator instead of futilely pleading in chat?
 
what is my candidate score?
 
@AnnZen You are not eligible to nominate yourself in the election as you are missing the required badge: Convention.. If you really must know, your candidate score is 20 (out of 40).
 
what is my candidate score?
 
what is my candidate score?
 
@Undo sorry, you already have a diamond!
@AndrewMyers You are not eligible to nominate yourself in the election as you do not have at least 3000 reputation. If you really must know, your candidate score is 19 (out of 40).
 
4:28 AM
>.>
 
@pppery I like playing with bots
 
Are you AI?
 
By the way, randomOops() should be part of every project
 
Are all the custom messages in the bot dev room recorded to be used again by the bot?
 
How do I put a diamond next to my name?
 
4:32 AM
You can only nominate yourself as a candidate during the nomination phase. You'll need at least 3000 reputation, have these badges (Civic Duty, Strunk & White, Deputy, Convention), and cannot have been suspended anywhere on the Stack Exchange network within the past year. You cannot nominate another user.
 
@AnnZen No. The bot is programmed with standard responses. As an easter egg, moderators can tell it say specific things at specific times, but those are not stored or ever re-used.
 
Gee, I thought that the developement meant developing the bot with more phrases.
 
Can I nominate (the other) @Nick
 
@Nick Oh, no no no, after you Nick
 
The @Nick duo!
 
4:36 AM
Can't tell if super ping or you pinged both of us....
 
@Nick did it ping you at least?
 
@Nick :D
It was just a regular ping.
 
@AnnZen No, the name "development" was used because the chat room is how Sam tested the bot while it was in development. Moderators can actually ping the bot from any chat room.
 
@AnnZen Yes, and re: "Gee, I thought that the developement meant developing the bot with more phrases." - It primarily is, @SamuelLiew is the one doing all the development on it, and it has been ongoing since last April (?). That room was made before the election started as he added more features
 
@Nick I still maintain you should name yourselves Nіck and Niсk.
 
4:38 AM
@CodyGray Oh?
 
@Catija Yeah...you know this... superpings are a mod privilege....
 
@RyanM ... should we give them nicknames?
 
@RyanM I'm thinking I should name myself "Nick".
 
@Catija Kinda makes you want to nominate yourself, huh?
 
No?
 
4:40 AM
@CodyGray that would still be different than either name I suggested (-:
 
@CodyGray I meant being able to tell the bot what to do.
@AnnZen I think you misunderstand. I already have a diamond on SO. :)
 
@Catija Oh, yeah, the "say" command will do that, but its use is limited to only mods. I'm...not sure exactly how it makes that determination, whether Sam has a whitelist of users, or it checks for mod privileges.
 
@CodyGray Please don't
:p
 
@RyanM Sigh. You know better...
 
4:41 AM
I saw a list of who the mods were earlier and I wasn't on it... but some staff were... the former SO mods, like Tim and Taryn and Adam, I think?
 
Copied from an old project maybe?
 
@Catija Anyone who has been elected on SO
 
Or at least, anyone who was marked as elected: stackapps.com/questions/7149/…
 
It's active mods and whoever is in the ADMIN_IDS environment variable i would guess (The only one I'm aware of being Art)
 
@RyanM We all elected Shog9 in our hearts.
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4:44 AM
@CodyGray Thanks for clarification.
 
`
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@Big_Data_Analyst As a bit more context, the reason we have to do that is that we'll often handle hundreds of flags per day, which means removing hundreds of posts. If every one of those people sends us an email... that's a lot of emails. Worse, a lot of the responses we get are rude, if not outright threatening, which has forced us to develop a blanket policy that we don't respond to off-site communications, because those quickly become abusive, if not dangerous.
 
@ElectionBot Who are the candidates?
 
Currently there is 1 candidate: customcommander
 
Is anybody from SOCVR or SOBotics going to nominate this time?
 
4:48 AM
@Catija I got this fixed already, was pulling from the API without filtering by staff
 
Who are the current moderators?
 
The current moderators are: deceze, Brad Larson, ChrisF, Martijn Pieters, BoltClock, Flexo, Andy, meagar, Bohemian, Cody Gray, Aaron Hall, Rob, Samuel Liew, Ry-, Jon Clements, Undo, Baum mit Augen, josliber, Bhargav Rao, Jean-François Fabre
 
@CodyGray I got it. That is indeed tremendous amount of work behind the seen from Moderator's prospective.
 
@ElectionBot sort do you in order Which?
 
sorted by userId (creation date)
 
4:50 AM
@CodyGray Do StackOverflow company hire moderators to be direct employees?
 
@Big_Data_Analyst There have been some community-elected moderators hired by Stack Overflow (the company) over the years as full-time staff, but it's mostly been a coincidence.
The people who are active and passionate enough here to want to become moderator are also likely to be the same people to apply for jobs at the company.
 
Catija, Taryn, Adam
 
Tim
 
There are also Community Managers who are kind of moderators but not exactly, if your question was whether they hire people to be moderators.
 
Catija wasn't elected moderator on Stack Overflow, but on other Stack Exchange sites.
@RyanM Community Managers (CMs) are employees of Stack Exchange. While they fulfill some roles that are similar to moderators, and have most of the same privileges, they aren't really moderators.
 
4:53 AM
@CodyGray that is what I was trying to convey with "kind of but not exactly"
 
But yes, in most cases, the folks who were community-elected moderators, and then hired by Stack Overflow (the company) were hired as CMs.
Adam and Taryn were hired as developers, though, I think.
 
Nope. They were both CMs first.
 
@CodyGray Good to know. Thanks!
 
Okay. I thought so, but then I convinced myself that I was misremembering.
Especially Adam... I was thinking he was always a dev. But I guess he was that special kind of CM with dev powers.
 
Adam switched to dev a while back, Taryn switched to dev when the big layoffs happened... the ones in ... 2017, I think... maybe 2016. November 2nd.
Jon was a mod on BH, too.
 
4:55 AM
Oh, yeah, that's right
And he's back to that, too
 
Most of the CMs have been mods. Cesar wasn't. He's a real CM. Nicolas built Russian SO as Hashcode and then SO bought it and built it in.
JNat was a mod on Anime.
 
"He's a real CM" Wut?
The rest of you former mods aren't real CMs? :-p
 
Wasn't Jeremy Banks a mod?
 
Yeah, we elected him, too
 
He has actual training as a CM. Most of the rest of us just fell into it and picked stuff up along the way.
@AndrewMyers He was always a dev, though, never a CM.
 
4:57 AM
Where do you get this training? From SE, or outside?
 
There's a organization, like most professional orgs...
 
How many Mods will be selected in these elections?
 
An election is where users nominate themselves as candidates for the role of diamond ♦ moderator, and users with at least 150 reputation can vote for them.
 
@Big_Data_Analyst Two
 
@Catija Two will be added to the existing 20?
 
5:01 AM
21*
 
And yes, 2 will be added, so there will be 23
 
@Catija Oh wow. I thought it was a term/job invented by Stack Exchange...
 
God no.
It's an actual profession.
 
@SamuelLiew Michael isn't in the response about who current mods are, probably because they were elected before the */election/x pages
 
5:06 AM
another edge case D:
 
Can't you just parse them from stackoverflow.com/users?tab=moderators ?
 
Seems odd that the API doesn't just grab whatever data backs that page...
 
Too many edge cases for that... Some moderators are elected, some are appointed, some are staff...
 
Ah, it's cause he's going through the /users/moderators/elected path instead of /users/moderators presumably
 
It's a short enough list... seems like it'd be easy enough to manually update.
 
5:14 AM
Probably want .../2.2/users/moderators?pagesize=100&order=desc&sort=name&site=stackoverflow&filter=!LnNkvtrI0eaH9hvirm5kuu filtering out users with is_employee set
 
Or, is it supposed to work on other sites?
 
(settings sorting how you like)
Oh, you'll also need to filter out community doing that, but it'll return the 21 correctly
 
Who are the current moderators?
 
The current 21 moderators are: Rob, Undo, Bhargav Rao, Andy, josliber, Baum mit Augen, Samuel Liew, Flexo, Jon Clements, Jean-François Fabre, ChrisF, Brad Larson, Michael Myers, Ry-, meagar, Cody Gray, Aaron Hall, Bohemian, deceze, BoltClock, Martijn Pieters
 
\o/
 
5:22 AM
I should sort by rep descending in case there are more staff in future pushing it to >100 results
 
My suggestion would be to sort in either alphabetical order or in election order
 
... so, you're saying staff don't have rep on SO? :P
 
We shouldn't assume that staff will be low-rep....
 
I can't even vote in the election.
 
@SamuelLiew Just add total to the filters and keep loading pages til you've got them all?
 
5:24 AM
API doesn't include election/appointment date
 
You can even test your code by reducing page size to 20 or something
 
6:07 AM
Who are the current moderators?
 
@SamuelLiew I'm sure you know him.
 
6:27 AM
I would have expected nominations to be slow but not this slow. Do I have to prep an emergency nomination in case we get <3 candidates ...
 
PV8
can I nominate other users to be moderator?
 
@PV8 You are not eligible to nominate yourself in the election as you are missing the required badge: Convention. If you really must know, your candidate score is 13 (out of 40).
 
@rene Well ahead of you :p
 
@PV8 no, not really. But if you "know" someone you might give them a heads-up to make them aware of the election
 
@Catija Just ask some Scratch questions for the Community-a-thon...
 
6:28 AM
@PV8 Not on the official page. If there's someone you think would be a good moderator, you should reach out to them and encourage them to nominate themselves.
 
@Nick ah, good to know.
 
@rene Something like this? RENE NOMINATE YOURSELF ALREADY YOU BLURRY FLOWER
 
PV8
@rene @CodyGray thx!
 
@Mithical for me that will work, YMMV
 
I'm afraid that electing @rene as moderator will bring him into focus
 
6:32 AM
@CodyGray because it'd bring him closer to a certain pair of glasses?
 
Just the effect of the diamond
 
I think afraid is the right choice of words ...
 
anthophobia
 
6:49 AM
Sufferers experience anxiety even though they realize they face no threat from flowers - this is @rene we're talking about though... I don't think the experienced anxiety has anything to do with a phobia :p
 
@JonClements Be careful Jon, he might SEDE you out of existence
 
Meh... even his SEDE skills couldn't do that... I know because if he could - I wouldn't be here responding to you and wishfully thinking about popcorn you might have? :p
 

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