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21:00
@Catija and since ElectionBot decided to post it again, I think it did trigger it
Zoe
Zoe
@AnnZen You only need Civic Duty, Strunk & White, Deputy, and Convention, 3000 rep, and no suspensions in the last year. That's the only hard requirements
wim
wim
I was joking. Of course it's not advised to edit username with ♦. I tried it once and george stocker showed up at my door demanding I change it back, but maybe they automated that part now.
@AdrianMole Thank you!
What's my candidate score?
@Lamak Your candidate score is 33 (out of 40). You are missing these badges: Marshal, Sportsmanship, Steward, Convention, Copy Editor, Refiner, Tag Editor. Having a high candidate score is not a requirement - you can still nominate yourself in the election!
Zoe
Zoe
21:00
@AdrianMole even H&I?
What about all these pending flags I have? If nobody is going to handle them and suspend these users they can nominate themselves and then get suspended as elected mods?
@Zoe I believe so. I am currently unable to check.
@Zoe Yes, even Help and Improvement.
@wim are you running for mod?
@Zoe n#4 in H&I
21:02
How and where to vote
Zoe
Zoe
Wow, that's commitment
You cannot vote yet. In the meantime you can read and comment on the candidates' nominations, as well as read the candidates' answers to your questions to find out more.
@wim Are you serious? Someone asked you to remove a character from your username?
Zoe
Zoe
@Dharman Diamonds have a very specific use though
@Big_Data_Analyst no voting yet...
wim
wim
21:03
deadly serious. I think I'm on some kind of terrorist watchlist now.
@Lam
@Lamak Thanks
LOL Dalija's Question was actually picked :)
@Zoe Not really. They are just a mark on someone's username. Having it in your name does not grant you the mod powers
How can a person nominate themselve?
You can only nominate yourself as a candidate during the nomination phase. You'll need at least 3000 reputation, have these badges (Civic Duty, Strunk & White, Deputy, Convention), and cannot have been suspended anywhere on the Stack Exchange network within the past year. You cannot nominate another user.
21:04
@Dharman What?
@Dharman but the specific use is to identify mods / admins
Zoe
Zoe
@Dharman No, but to people who think the diamond is the only way to tell who are mods or not, it's perfectly possible to add a diamond to your own name and impersonate a mod for whatever weird benefit that would give.
What is my candidate score, botty?
@AndrasDeak Your candidate score is 39 (out of 40). You are missing this badge: Copy Editor. Having a high candidate score is not a requirement - you can still nominate yourself in the election!
Has anyone actually tried putting a diamond in or after their username? I suspect the system will prevent it.
21:05
@ElectionBot Ah, I thought it was 40, thanks
@bad_coder ... I think, at its heart, it's a good question... I just couldn't call people "insane" in the post and wanted to reign it in a bit.
wim
wim
close, deak
@AndrasDeak that is a bit low, maybe next time ...
wim
wim
go forth and edit!
How to improve scores?
21:06
only 101 edits needed... but I don't need 40 score if I don't want to be a mod :D
Zoe
Zoe
by getting rep and/or badges
@Big_Data_Analyst 20 points are based on rep, 20 points are based on badges.
if I do it right I can combine it with some graverobber badges
wim
wim
@AnnZen I'm not sure. I might nominate my left or right sock instead.
Zoe
Zoe
I'm surprised you don't have it tho
21:07
How can I quickly get the missing 5 points for reputation?
You can only nominate yourself as a candidate during the nomination phase. You'll need at least 3000 reputation, have these badges (Civic Duty, Strunk & White, Deputy, Convention), and cannot have been suspended anywhere on the Stack Exchange network within the past year. You cannot nominate another user.
@Catija I understood that, a bit of polishing is good. (Since So'ers are copy editors we can appreciate that.)
Zoe
Zoe
@Dharman You don't
@Dharman answer a question?
@Dharman regex ....
wim
wim
21:08
@Dharman ask a question that gets downvoted 7 times and upvoted twice.
user10957435
@Dharman Un-downvote a PHP question or two.
@bad_coder Cool. I try not to go overboard. People vote on the questions as written but there's some cases where a bit of polish is needed. But the link to the original is there. :)
@Chipster Haha, yeah that would give me a lot of rep quickly
user10957435
:D
Zoe
Zoe
@Chipster You don't lose rep by downvoting questions
21:09
s/question/answer
user10957435
@Zoe Right. I knew that...
user10957435
Just wasn't thinking about it.
@Big_Data_Analyst you know, it's not really clear how to nominate yourself
user10957435
Then maybe a few PHP answers instead :D
@wim :^)
21:09
I once wrote in a different chat room that reputation is a measure of willingness to gain reputation at the expense of quality.
Zoe
Zoe
1 hour and no nominations? guess interest is low :GWChadThinkEyes:
@pppery I disagree
3000 reputation & these badges (Civic Duty, Strunk & White, Deputy, Convention) sounds very basic. That means more 78,273 members can nominate themselves!! Is that right?
wim
wim
What if the downvoter gained the rep that was lost from OP, that could really engage users.
21:11
@Big_Data_Analyst I've seen users with <10k rep be virtually thrown with rotten tomatoes during elections
user10957435
@wim That sounds like a great way to encourage more serial downvoting.
Zoe
Zoe
@wim That would trigger strategic voting fast
@wim Sounds... like a great way to encourage serial voting.
@Big_Data_Analyst I am not very good at analysing data, so I can't confirm.
so technically you can, but there's no point to nominate with low rep
21:12
Why would it encourage serial voting? It's equivalent to "the downvoter gains 2 rep whenever they downvote, unless the owner of the post being downvoted has less than 3 rep"
@AndrasDeak Do you have a link to a proof? Are you sure it was because of the reputation?
@Dharman nope
wim
wim
you call it strategic voting, I call it a MMORPG
my life is a treatise in anecdotal evidence
21:13
I mean, apart from the 12 in there
Zoe
Zoe
@pppery people get rep for downvoting leads to people downvoting more for the sake of gaining rep, and not for quality reasons
That's not "serial voting" as it's typically defined
@Zoe considering current SO, "random downvote on posts" would mean 90% accuracy
@AndrasDeak : That means if you are one of 21,362 with 10K+, you still have a chance to be mod
@Dharman Edit a few posts.
21:14
@Lamak when an election is going there is no difference. If there is no election the one without the election id will show all past elections and their outcome.
I see
@AnnZen I am way past that point, Ann.
@Big_Data_Analyst yes. There's a good chance to be a mod. Only a dozen or two people nominate, so the chance is ~1/50 at worst. Your point being?
@Dharman You can still earn rep for editing tag-wikis. Maybe.
Zoe
Zoe
@AnnZen you can only earn 1k rep off edits, and only if you have under 2k rep
21:16
I think I never earned rep for editing normal posts on this account.
Zoe
Zoe
people with under 20k can earn still up to 1k rep off editing tag wikis
@Dharman I know, but in that case, what do you mean 5 missing rep?
Zoe
Zoe
but tag wikis are slow
@Dharman : sure i can help in this case.
@Lamak The 12 ties it to the specific election... so if you replace it with 10, you'd see the 10th election instead of the current one.
21:16
Very slow, at the moment.
@AnnZen My candidate score is 5 points lower because I have 15k/20k reputation
@Dharman Your candidate score is 33 (out of 40). You are missing these badges: Sportsmanship, Constituent. Having a high candidate score is not a requirement - you can still nominate yourself in the election!
Essentially, the version with 12 will be evergreen if you use it somewhere - it will always link to the 12th election, whereas the version without the election number will always default to the most recent election.
@ElectionBot chill out
@Dharman So you mean 5000 rep?
21:17
Yes
Anyone with 100K rep out there?
@Catija yup, got it, thanks
@Big_Data_Analyst you are asking surprising questions, considering that you're a Big_Data_Analyst
SO userbase is all big data :)
@Lamak Sure! :D
@AndrasDeak :)
21:19
We have one candidate already
wasn't me
@Dharman I wish you luck.
We have a new nomination! Please welcome our latest candidate customcommander!
I just got 1 apple as you see
what if I ran again? : o
last time I didn't meet the top 30 by reputation cutoff, but still got a free shirt.
21:22
You got a shirt for nominating?
Must have been the "content creators get swag" era :P
Zoe
Zoe
probably while SE still had swag
wim
wim
I Visited An SO Election And All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt
I read couple of mod's profiles, and basically they say don't bother us with any your concerns. So then what's the point of electing someone and then afterwards they say don't bother us
@Big_Data_Analyst ugh
have you read some of the links on the election page?
@Big_Data_Analyst I see your point...
21:25
Good luck to all candidates
wim
wim
what do you mean they say don't bother us? example?
user12867493
@bjb568 What shirt?
a shirt with the stack overflow logo.
you don't even get swag if you're elected, but don't let that stop you.
when was it discontinued?
21:28
@Jean-FrançoisFabre *looks at mod cap* You used to... :(
@AndrasDeak: I think there has to be clear agenda of what mod's do as this will be public serving position
@Big_Data_Analyst do you think there isn't one?
mod & 100k swag is probably blocked at the chinese border with the rest of the masks & respirators.
@Big_Data_Analyst You shouldn't bother individual mods personally with problems. You should raise concerns through the proper channels - i.e., flags.
21:29
some mods are also available in chat, but that's secondary to flags.
@Machavity D'Arvit Ash
@Mithical Is that his name, or what JG said when he saw the mess? :P
@Machavity XD
@AndrasDeak: This is my first time participating so i'm not sure
21:31
Ash is the dog's name, D'Arvit has no point in being translated. ;)
When does the nomination period end?
wim
wim
JF's swag was sent, but there was an i18n bug translating Toulouse and it was unfortunately lost
@Dharman 7 days. So next Monday at 4pm EDT
@wim that explains a lot.
21:32
What do you need to case your vote?
cast
you need 150 rep
@wim What's a swag?
(filling in for the bot right now)
Zoe
Zoe
free stuff from SE
Depends. If there's a primary, it's just upvotes. if it's an election, they give you a button for first, second and third picks.
21:33
@Machavity feeling lucky this year?
@AnnZen "swag" is branded objects. For instance, I'm currently wearing a t-shirt with the Science Fiction & Fantasy logo.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Still thinking about it
@Jean-FrançoisFabre and the ability to click a button
@Mithical Free from SE?
@rene almost forgot about that. Also not the "thanks" button.
21:35
@AnnZen yes
are these elections every year?
However, swag has been temporarily discontinued.
no only when we need more meat for the grinder.
I mean mods.
@Big_Data_Analyst They are not a regular event. They are only scheduled when needed
Zoe
Zoe
Which on SO means roughly once a year
21:37
@Jean-FrançoisFabre :)
Why can't I upvote comments under nominations?
This was the longest gap between elections ... ever.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I'm sure there have been candidates on former elections that I would have thanked ...
@Dharman Because that page is a hellscape.
3
@Dharman: I see, so what happens with the current mods?
21:37
... or flag them
@Dharman it's by design
(I mean: upvotes)
and we suppose that mods see the comments frequently and are able to delete the inappropriate ones.
@Big_Data_Analyst They live. They keep doing what they are doing now
@Big_Data_Analyst well, they get to stay :)
forced, wasn't it?
@Dharman: So the elections to add more mods not because old one are retiring
21:40
@Big_Data_Analyst Yes
@Dharman: I hope we don't have ModOverflow in this case :)
No, we need much more than 2 new mods
@Big_Data_Analyst The ratio of mods to not-mods won't increase :)
probably, but we can't train 50 mods at once. Besides we have to be cautious. Better be outnumbered than selecting too many people.
if needed, CMs can promote the 3rd candidate (it happened several times)
@AnnZen Yup i agree
@Jean-FrançoisFabre: I see your point. Indeed its not an easy job to Mod
21:45
takes some time getting used to the tools & processes. But after a couple of months you know the drill.
Is there anything besides helping out that would make users want to nominate for mod?
@Jean-FrançoisFabre: I hear you, i have gone through this exercise of learning, and still learning everyday. It's amazing this website is structured
@AnnZen hunger for power
Are there any Bots serving as Mods out there?
wim
wim
glutton for punishment
21:49
@AnnZen I just like being able to edit all the things. :D
@Big_Data_Analyst Well, there are rumours about a particular moderator...
wim
wim
@Big_Data_Analyst Community ♦
@Catija you're not a mod :P
I was.
I know :P
21:50
But you're better now, right?
@AdrianMole heh
Catija is very helpful for us mods.
@wim Yeah i saw that: aren't they doing a good job :)
Also, it's still true... now I can edit all the things... everywhere.
and you do ...
21:51
@Catija All the communities?
except homebrew.
wim
wim
can you edit my username? I want it flipped upsidedown, and then reversed.
@10Rep I appreciate your reply but that's not your nomination post
@miw careful I can edit your username
wim
wim
you forgot the reverse
21:52
I get it.
@AndrasDeak it just so happens i've met a user named 10rep.
@AnnZen on any upvote
some users think they're creating a random username by typing "kkk". Happened twice last month.
wim
wim
can I get one of those fancy c with a tail J-F?
in that case, it's pretty urgent to rename profile...
21:53
@AndrasDeak Yes, I agree it's not my nomination post.
@10Rep which is to say, we shouldn't be having a conversation under their nomination page
@AnnZen what are the odds!
wim
wim
@AnnZen bodybuilder?
@AndrasDeak So this chatroom is for discussing the candidates(what we were doing in the nomination page)?
Thanks everyone. All the best with the nomination and selection of the right candidate. This site is the best and serve the best
21:55
@TheMaker Hi!
@wim Oh yeah, I named myself that because I like answering questions.
@10Rep this chatroom is for anything related to this election
@AnnZen Yup, changed my name
Bedtime for me. Just going to say..
Good luck to all the tributes candidates, and may the odds be ever in your favor...
Zoe
Zoe
@Mithical what's an sleep?
21:57
@Zoe where you close off your light receptors and attempt to hallucinate in the dark for several hours
wim
wim
@AnnZen ^ stuff
well this was what it was in 2017 anyway , I don't know if other boxes got different stuff.
@Zoe Read this for more info :D
all i got was a tshirt, and it's... gone already
@wim Thanks!
21:59
but that wasn't for 100k
i'm another year or two from 100k
Zoe
Zoe
It's midnight in like, 1 minute
tis 5:00, time to go home
I'll just be on the side then...
@wim Maybe SE stopped giving free stuff due the expense of free hp mouses on 2017.
the shirt tho was very comfortable
looked just like the one above
wim
wim
22:01
there was also 100 extra close votes in the box, but I used them up in a day
When I think I had to knit my own mod shirt...
Wait, Mods get t shirts when elected?
Zoe
Zoe
they used to get hats
@10Rep Are these gifts for mods only?
there are no gifts. Don't nominate yourself for gifts. They are history.
22:05
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A: Will there be an Amazing 2019 Stuff-A-Way?

animusonUnfortunately, we are no longer able to promise swag for any activities on our site. That covers spontaneous contests which aren't sponsored, as well as the swag for 100k and 250k milestones. I've written previously about the temporary hold while we transitioned to a new swag provider. We comple...

wim
wim
I wonder who was the first person to NOT get the swag
The election is not over yet.
wim
wim
maybe it was coldspeed
What about the 1 M rep milestone, do they get any incentive?
Zoe
Zoe
no
well, kinda. They get the ability to approach 1 Skeet worth of rep
22:09
@Big_Data_Analyst I saw a post that was created when Jon Skeet got 1 M. It was a bunch of questions towards him.
@10Rep Link?
@10Rep Yeah i saw that post too.
@AnnZen It was 2 months ago. I don't have the link to the last question I answered :D
Its a big achievement
The 4 last comments between pppery and "10 rep" could be deleted from beneath customcommanders nomination.
22:12
@bad_coder Previously there were 5. I think I'll delete mine.
@10Rep the nominee should be given space and last word. I understand your exchange but it has served its purpose and only causes visual pollution for readers at this point.
@bad_coder Yes, I am deleting mine.
Done
@AnnZen Yep!
Oh yeah, just as a question, what is the minimum rep requirement to vote?
Zoe
Zoe
150 IIRC
22:15
150 if I recally correctly
@bad_coder I've deleted my comments there as well.
ok thanks
Excellent.
Can I retract my nomination whenever I want to?
@Dharman Yes, it says at the side.
Zoe
Zoe
Mhm
22:21
But once it goes into election phase, you can't
I was waiting for the bot to answer
@10Rep That is actually useful information, thanks
np
@vallismortis Please don't ask other people to nominate themselves in someone's nomination post.
Zoe
Zoe
Or you could and just tell people not to vote for you as an experiment and see if you win or not :p You can say no to the position too IIRC
Well that's news to me.
22:24
The mod election is trollable :)
Zoe
Zoe
Anything you can make, someone can troll it
@Dharman Are you going to nominate yourself?
@10Rep What do you mean? Someone nominating themselves and removing the candidacy at the last moment?
@10Rep Do you think I should?
@Dharman I think you should.
I mean anyone who gets elected will gain experience once they become mod.
And there are active users who moderate the site who don't nominate themselves
Is there a way I can check if I have ever been review banned?
22:28
@Zoe Once.
@Dharman I don't think it will count against you, but try this.
That's the link to reviews. It doesn't tell me if I have been banned in the past, though
@Zoe Someone trolled the Skeptics election hard
I mean, it takes some guts to go in with the minimum rep and basically say "I'm running, vote for me" mic drop
@Dharman You can ask. :D
Zoe
Zoe
@Catija And then there's a new way when the previous one stops. It's like the #1 span rule: if there's a form, someone will post spam in it
22:33
@Catija Could you check it for me, please?
@Dharman you can try and ask on Bad Stack Overflow Reviews sometimes one mod has the courtesy of letting users know if they ask.
@Dharman You OK with me posting it here?
Sure, why not
Once, 2018, November.
two days.
I wonder what I have been doing back then...
22:34
That's it? I got banned twice from triage :)
Zoe
Zoe
Review bans aren't a big deal tho, at least as long as they're rare
There really ought to be some message or a longer ban period. Two days? You can't be serious. You should have banned me for like 20 months
yeah... seems a mod manually banned you - their name looks familiar as well...
We're working on it.
22:34
@Dharman I got banned for 1 month
Zoe
Zoe
They're only really a problem if you spend more time banned than reviewing
The new review suspension system will have a persistent message, even after the ban is over to let you know that you'd been banned but the time has lapsed.
@Catija heh... one could read that as we're working on banning them from review for 20 months :p
So no more mailing letters to people who are review banned? There's going to be some sort of electronic notice?
Will it be public so other users can also check if someone has been banned previously and how many times?
22:37
i don't think so.
@Dharman nothing regarding review bans/suspensions in general are ever public unless you make them so or have posted about them yourself that someone could find somewhere on the network
Wait that's not right, 20 months was a typo, ... or maybe...
@Dharman No.
@Dharman Public viewing of review bans? Sounds great! What could possibly go wrong?
Suspensions are public. This account is suspended for 7 days for voting irregularities.
22:38
@Dharman only while active... there isn't a history of it publicly available after it's expired
Well, yeah. I expect suspensions to be public. "What happened to [user]?" "Suspended for 2 weeks"
@Dharman regarding a potential nominee I don't think a few review bans are an issue. If he has a proven track record of knowing how to review....
Can we stop using the term "Review Bans" please - it's insulting and unfriendly. Also, as it happens, I am currently in a system-recommended, four-day review furlough.
Yeah, but two days is ridiculous. I don't even visit the reviews that often.
There's too much stuff to deal with outside of the review queues.
@AdrianMole What do you mean it's unfriendly? It just means you click on the review button.
22:40
@AdrianMole I had notice up thread the system had given you a vacation...
@AdrianMole unpaid leave
user10957435
I mean, as a general rule I'm not against review bans as a disqualification. But just like all-out suspensions, I'd certainly prefer some distance between the nominee and the ban. You would need to prove you learned from it.
Zoe
Zoe
@AdrianMole no, it isn't. It's a ban from reviewing. It's as honest a description as it gets, while still being accurate
@Chipster How could I have learned anything from it if I never knew about it?
Really, I was being flippant. Welsh humour is often quite impenetrable.
user10957435
22:42
As for you specifically, @Dharman, I certainly wouldn't hold it against you. I know what you're capable of as a moderator and would support you.
Imma delete everything
@AdrianMole I guess that's understandable if you're going to not bother putting any vowels in words :p
Can I say "ffwc" in here?
user10957435
@Dharman Fair enough. I'm just saying in general. Really, a good track record is all that I need. In your case, I think your track record is good.
I have a sock-puppet...
22:43
@AdrianMole depends whether or not you're assuming there are any other Welsh folks here :P
Where's the post instructing users about what they can do during nomination phase?
But it's not a word - I just made it up. Change the W to a Y, though ...
No, but it would sound about right :P
user10957435
@AdrianMole The only problem with humor is that it can get misunderstood in text settings like this. That's sad to me, because I like humor.
Incidentally, did you know that the Welsh word for "Professor" is "Proffesor?" Used to upset my English teacher(s) with that, all the time.
22:48
@Dharman We know
@Machavity :D I have seen this video and I really liked it. That's a good link
How does Nick De Geek occupy 2,5X more space on the side bar avatars?
no repro.
His space is paid for by the Election Friends of Nick De Geek. That or it's a CSS bug and you need to reload
@Machavity I knew there were handouts....
23:08
@SamuelLiew That Revision 3
user10957435
@Machavity I like the revision reason: "no"
Hmmmm that's weird.
I only see one.
Same here
You can see 3 on [meta.so]
23:14
^
Ah, yeah.
OK.
Yep, it's a Meta bug
Should have seen that, the logo is MSO not SO.
user12867493
@Machavity Why no featured?
@Daniil 2 featured slots and more people care about the Questionnaire than the announcement
23:17
The election link is already in the events section.
So it doesn't really need to be featured.
On most sites, having it auto-featured is useful. But SO is very different
23:47
We have a new nomination! Please welcome our latest candidate Tamás Sengel!
Does anyone else think that nomination post looks like spam?
Yes. I was just about to say that...
Hopefully just an incorrect copy/paste.
Is there a limit of characters to a nomination message?
@Dharman yes... can't remember how many though... maybe 800?
@ElectionBot What does their moderation message mean? It's not very convincing.
23:50
An election is where users nominate themselves as candidates for the role of diamond ♦ moderator, and users with at least 150 reputation can vote for them.
I have searched it on Google and I am now very confused. Is this a meme?
@pppery I do.
I am very well versed in memes, but I do not know this one.
it's a copy pasta.
23:53
@RyanM quoting: "Did that immediately make all the hairs on your arm stand up? Did you feel your heart race? Your legs tremble in fear?"
@JonClements It's definitely more than 800
@Dharman yeah... I know when I wrote my last one out I went to post and was N many characters over and had to trim it a bit... so there is a limit... just not sure what it is... (it's definitely not as big as posts on the main site...)
Is our second nominee trying to prove they (don't) pass Dalija's sanity test? Or is there something more sinister going on?

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