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2:12 AM
who are the candidates
 
There are no users who have nominated themselves yet.
 
 
4 hours later…
6:37 AM
I think you'll find it's because it's not 20:00 yet, ElectionBot :)
But according to rene's SEDE query, it seems there has not yet been an election where the first one to nominate themself didn't do it as soon as they could :)
 
 
6 hours later…
12:38 PM
@ElectionBot say what
:(
 
1:21 PM
Six hours!
 
@Catija time to get Europe's (the band) famous track ready? :p
 
HAHA I think we maybe should save that for three Tuesdays from now
 
Wait.. The Final Countdown? I'll have you know I used to have that on vinyl :D
 
@Scratte I may well still have in storage somewhere :p
 
I have a space problem so I gave away all my vinyls :(
But if you find it, I'll come by and listen to it with all the cracks and jumps and all :D
 
1:31 PM
Gives it that "authentic" sound :)
 
I had a Tina Turner album that came with a jump.. then I returned it and got another one. Same problem. I decided I couldn't live with it and gave it a bath and a gentle toothbrush. I figured I had nothing to lose. It worked! :)
 
1:46 PM
"gave it a bath and a gentle toothbrush" - I don't know why but that's made me chuckle :p
 
2:16 PM
@JonClements Wouldn't that Alice Cooper song be better?
 
"Welcome to my Nightmare" seems quite apt for the winners... or do you mean the more obviously named one :p
 
Nothing in Wales is obvious. But maybe this user or this one wants to be elected?
 
@AdrianMole They may have to work a little on their meta presence :)
 
But this one has no chance.
 
I'd vote for this one
 
2:23 PM
You ninja'd me. (But I would've got one that was spelled properly - capital C - there are two.)
 
I noticed :) But I figured one was eligible, so I curbed my love for perfection on the spelling.
I found that another potential source of confusion
..and not the only moderator name clash.
 
@Scratte The Dutch Radio 2 has Vinyl Friday. Cracks and jumps is part of the deal in that 2 hour radio show.
 
@Scratte But nothing like as cuddly as the real one.
 
@AdrianMole Nothing as scary true :)
@rene I'll need to try that out :)
 
2:51 PM
I just went to NPO RADIO 2. They speak dutch.. not sure what they're saying, but to me.. it's very funny almost like like they sound drunk and speaking gibberish :)
 
Funny that people on a Dutch radio station should be speaking Dutch, eh?
 
@Scratte well, it is maybe worth checking the studio webcam at Friday 18:00 - 20:00 CET (although it looks like the holiday season started) where you can actually watch the DJ dealing with the vinyl and that sometimes shows their lack of practice.
 
@rene do they struggle loading it into the cd tray? :p
 
@rene There's another site for that?
 
@JonClements well, you wonder sometimes, yes.
@Scratte this one: nporadio2.nl/live ? Maybe they have this strange policy that you can only watch that from the Netherlands .. :/
 
3:02 PM
@rene It works from Denmark :)
 
awesome
 
Funny, because I did land on this site (without the live) but my browser didn't want to translate it, so I kind of gave up on it :)
 
oh, that is strange. It is a National Public broadcasting organisation. I assume they use my tax money also to make their websites accessible, for example for translation ...
 
@rene if you're not keen on that - you'd love the BBC then :p
 
@JonClements I can't tell how often I've heard let's do like the BBC and I go Hell, No!
 
3:12 PM
lol
 
4:09 PM
rene, it was Opera not translating it. When I used Edge with your link it offered to translate it to English.
 
 
1 hour later…
5:15 PM
@ElectionBot
@ElectionBot participation requirements?
 
@ByteMe you can vote in the election if you have >= 150 rep. To nominate as moderator you need 3000 rep.
 
5:39 PM
Can't anyone post a message in chat here like janw did?
 
Err, this should work for everyone, if the bot didn't get disconnected again
how does the election work
 
An election is where users nominate themselves as candidates for the role of diamond ♦ moderator, and users with at least 150 reputation can vote for them.
 
I don't understand how any election could have proceeded without ElectionBot :)
 
An election is where users nominate themselves as candidates for the role of diamond ♦ moderator, and users with at least 150 reputation can vote for them.
 
:D
 
5:41 PM
shuss..!
 
Now it does not want to stop anymore
 
I think it triggers on election :) .. or not ;)
 
What is my candidate score?
 
@bad_coder You are not eligible to nominate yourself in the election as you do not have at least 3000 reputation. If you really must know, your candidate score is 17 (out of 40).
 
@Scratte *checks code* I guess you triggered this condition
 
5:47 PM
Argh!.. no scrollbar on code at github?!?..
 
You can also have fun with that, by picking carefully chosen keywords: How
 
The election has not started yet. The nomination phase is starting at 2020-07-06 20:00:00Z (in 2 hours).
 
6:03 PM
I think I'll try to say as little as possible :)
 
6:30 PM
What is my candidate score?
 
@ByteMe You are not eligible to nominate yourself in the election as you do not have at least 3000 reputation. If you really must know, your candidate score is 2 (out of 40).
 
What makes up the candidate score?
 
The 40-point candidate score is calculated this way: 1 point for each 1,000 reputation up to 20,000 reputation (for 20 points); and 1 point for each of the 8 moderation, 6 participation, and 6 editing badges
 
user13149581
How is my candidate score?
 
@Harpistry You are not eligible to nominate yourself in the election as you do not have at least 3000 reputation. If you really must know, your candidate score is 1 (out of 40).
 
user12867493
6:40 PM
How is my candidate score?
 
@Daniil You are not eligible to nominate yourself in the election as you do not have at least 3000 reputation. If you really must know, your candidate score is 10 (out of 40).
 
user13149581
Is @ElectionBot eligible?
 
who
when
why
 
no, I am not eligible as I'm a bot!
 
user13149581
I think that's discriminatory.
 
wim
6:52 PM
@ElectionBot What is my candidate score?
 
@wim Wow! You have a maximum candidate score of 40! Please consider nominating yourself in the election!
 
wim
@ElectionBot how is the candidate score calculated?
 
The 40-point candidate score is calculated this way: 1 point for each 1,000 reputation up to 20,000 reputation (for 20 points); and 1 point for each of the 8 moderation, 6 participation, and 6 editing badges
 
How to decide who to vote for?
 
The election has not started yet. The nomination phase is starting at 2020-07-06 20:00:00Z (soon).
 
6:56 PM
?
Oh, UTC, obviously :D
 
bleep bloop, one more hour to go~
 
Someone is sock-puppeting ElectionBot :)
Who is your master?
 
Tony the Pony
 
hehe
 
lol!
 
7:10 PM
in ElectionBot Development, 10 mins ago, by Samuel Liew
@ElectionBot say bleep bloop, one more hour to go~
 
user12867493
It’s nearly impossible to get 20k SO rep, nearly every SO question is a dupe. Surprised there’s even an election tbh
 
Bot's haven't said "bleep, bloop" since the 1970s.
 
The 2020 Moderator Election "nomination period begins" is off, I think. It was 20:00 UTC, but to me it now says 50 minutes. Did it accidentally revert to local time?
 
20:00 is in 48 minutes.
 
@Daniil Sure, but rep. is far from the main thing
 
user12867493
7:12 PM
Nope, it is 20:00 UTC
 
user12867493
@JonClements Why is there a raised rep requirement from the average SE site then?
 
@AdrianMole Argh!.. you are right! I need to finish something before it gets dark :(
 
Do you mean why it's 3k minimum instead of 300 ?
 
user12867493
*raised rep nomination requirement
 
user12867493
@JonClements Yeah
 
7:14 PM
@Daniil Just answer in the SQL-tag.. you'll get there fast enough :)
 
user12867493
SO elections are weird, if I want to nominate I will get elected in a few years
 
The election has not started yet. The nomination phase is starting at 2020-07-06 20:00:00Z (soon).
 
user12867493
@ElectionBot No-one asked you :)
 
user12867493
@Scratte Why SQL?
 
means you have familiarity with at least the closure system and given the size of SO - there's more people with >= 300 rep than there is the entire user base on other sites - so 300 just isn't a practical filter at all
 
user12867493
7:16 PM
I would really like to get involved in SO more, e.g. CV’ing but getting rep is so hard :(
 
user12867493
@JonClements I see your point
 
so that's why SO is 3k + certain required badges and other sites are just 300 rep
 
Answering new questions in high-traffic tags is indeed hard, but I was successful with creating thorough answers and self-answered Q&As to problems I encounter during daily work
 
Some tags appear to be 'friendlier' then others, when it comes to upvotes.
 
user12867493
One day I would possibly like to be a mod on SO but that's not in the foreseeable future (SO will probably be down by then anyway)
 
user12867493
7:20 PM
@AdrianMole Python tag is harsh imo
 
... Personally, I think 100 rep. in C or C++ is worth at least 10,000 in PHP or SQL. But, then...
 
It's the perfect combination: Share your results of many hours of debugging, add something worthy to the knowledge base, and don't have to deal with the influx of low-quality questions
 
... and C# and JavaScript are for the real softies.
 
My only ever C answer is deleted I think
 
What? :D I got tired of answering new C# questions very fast
 
7:21 PM
@AdrianMole thanks
 
user12867493
@janw All the Q’s are dupes though and get downvoted
 
So I guess I am not even a softy ;)
 
user12867493
It’s a pain actually asking a positive scored question (or even >-1 for that matter)
 
Being dupes doesn't stop a lot of (high rep) users from answering, though. {rant alert}
 
@Daniil The new ones, yes
But there are plenty of old ones, which you encounter during work and that don't have good answers
 
user12867493
7:23 PM
Is it ok to answer obvious dupes though? e.g. I come across a Python Q and know for a fact it has 100+ dupes, basic programmer Q. Can I answer?
 
If you want to become a mod eventually, probably not, if it is a 1:1 dupe
 
@Daniil SO is pretty much unique when it comes to moderation, even when compared to the others in the trilogy... For instance my (obviously favourite site being a developer) - SO's 2019 moderation stats vs. my next favourite and chill-out hobby site SF&F's moderation stats - the difference in scale is just mind boggling.
 
user12867493
@janw Well the SO model is flawed then. If you joined after 2017 say everything is practically duped and your stuck in the 4 digit rep figures
 
Not at all! we have regulars in SOCVR that are newcomers and rapidly rising rep. One reached 10K in 3 months.
 
@Daniil No, it isn't. I have asked quite some questions already, and they all aren't dupes
And there are always new technologies emerging
 
user12867493
7:28 PM
There should be a rep user-moderation grant users can apply for which grants them 10k and below privs if they have demonstrated they can be trusted with them and will benefit from them in their user-moderation work
 
@Daniil Is an encyclopedia flawed because it's already got stuff for what you want to lookup?
 
wim
@Daniil No, you should vote to close as dupe to one that has a good quality answer already.
 
user12867493
3 mins ago, by Daniil
@janw Well the SO model is flawed then. If you joined after 2017 say everything is practically duped and your stuck in the 4 digit rep figures
 
wim
That is not flawed, it is "mission accomplished"
That is a successful Q&A site.
 
user12867493
When do you think SO will go down? I predict 2024
 
7:29 PM
@Daniil There's been plenty of discussions on MSE and MSO regarding separating moderation privileges from reputation... as well as a post that was featured recently on MSO regarding "rewarding duplicate finders"...
 
wim
I don't think it's going away anytime soon, the community is strong
 
^ And the Company is making money.
 
@JonClements Yeah, that was a great discussion. I really hope there is a follow-up by SE
 
wim
and it's incredibly useful for both beginning developers and experienced developers
 
user12867493
I know this may sound “mean”/“pushy” but tbh I want more privs here since I’ve shown I could benefit with them but it’s just so hard to get them
 
wim
7:31 PM
you are member for 4 months
 
Sometimes, eagerly 'wanting' privileges is a good reason not to be granted them.
3
 
user12867493
1.5 years
 
user12867493
Long story
 
@Daniil It's not really moderated.
Or you can debug code. There's always code to debug.
 
SO is a difficult site to get rep on, to be fair
 
user12867493
7:34 PM
@Scratte Only for the Q to get deleted as a dupe or no-repro
 
user12867493
If SE actually listened, I could draft as SO model that’s could actually work, but they won’t listen so I can’t be bothered
 
wim
@SamuelLiew nice work on the bot
 
pretty sure this model has worked
 
user12867493
@ArtOfCode Worked to make $, worked for users who joined earlier than 2017 and people who visit the site to ask a Q once but no-one else
 
Yeah, I think the general SO model works pretty well. Sure, there are plenty of problems, but overall it is a great success
 
7:37 PM
@Daniil eh, you just have to put more work in to earn rep here is all
doesn't necessarily mean it's broken
 
user12867493
You literally have to be stalking a tag
 
@Daniil Mine didn't get deleted.. well, a few did, but well deserved. And they were at zero-score and probably Roomba'ed :)
 
wim
The model is/was very successful. It probably needs to be adjusted now that there is so much content already present, but the company and the community are sort of pulling in different directions (company values participation, community values quality)
 
@Daniil There are users that make 1K reputaion a week. They just answer a lot
 
user12867493
@ArtOfCode I can sit around and stalk a tag for 20 minutes and I’ll probably get 1 positively scored answer if I’m lucky
 
7:40 PM
> 20 minutes
found your problem
 
user12867493
?
 
@Scratte Well, I quickly burned out trying to do this :D Just too many low-quality questions, thus very few upvotes...
 
Yep! You need to stalk for at least 20 hours per day.
 
if you're not putting the effort in to write good answers, you're not going to get high scores
yes, you do have to pick and choose what you write answers to to optimize for visibility, but if you're not spending the time it shows
 
wim
You're correct that there isn't much worth answering in . I haven't answered a Q in almost a month.
 
7:42 PM
There are 2 types of answerers in my tags: those who earn rep. from posting many, many answer that get a few upvotes, and those who post an occasional very good answer to a very good question. The latter can easily get 100+ upvotes in a week.
 
user12867493
All the longer answer Q’s are dupes, now it’s just people who forgot to convert an integer to a string
 
wim
I think that's normal, not the sign of a problem. As the knowledge base grew over 10 years, it has covered most of the useful areas. So new questions are mostly relating to new libraries or new language features (which trickle in slowly) and the "useful Q&A vs time" graph will tend to look logarithmic
 
@AdrianMole 100+? o.O
 
@Daniil I got lucky with an excellent new question recently. (I answered it ! But, for a while, I was considering just posting my answer as a comment.)
 
you've either got to be a good enough programmer to identify and debug issues quickly so that you can post a lot, or you spend more time writing a few good quality answers to a few good quality questions
 
user12867493
7:44 PM
@ArtOfCode Which one's better?
 
neither
they're just different approaches
 
user12867493
?
 
user12867493
Oh ok
 
^ +1 They serve different types of asker.
 
you could probably do some analysis and figure out which one nets you more rep long-term, but... the difference is minimal
 
7:46 PM
@ArtOfCode I was actually thinking recently of asking on Meta.SE for a new metric to be included in profile pages: Average Post Score. I'd probably get shot down, though.
 
wim
it's a bit like market saturation in economics. ford were able to sell cars at an astonishing rate when most everybody was carless. now that cars are ubiquitous, you can't do that.
 
@AdrianMole "but it's like accept rate for answerers!!1!111!!!eleven"
 
wim
@AdrianMole someone from room 6 wrote a rep:answer ratio script sopython.com/wiki/Rep%3AAnswer_ratio
 
@wim read that as everybody was careless and wondered what happened back in the twenties ...
 
wim
the data is years stale now. maybe there is a SEDE query somewhere for similar.
 
7:50 PM
@AdrianMole Interesting idea, but I would wonder what is the use of this metric
 
should be a pretty easy sede query
 
@janw Put like that, then what's the use of any of the current metrics?
 
wim
it would be a better measure of quality than rep.
 
@AdrianMole Ok, good point ;)
 
wim
rep is too much a measure of quantity and/or length of time user had on site
I wondered aloud about making a public "post quality" metric of some sort in meta.stackoverflow.com/q/291495/674039 but it was not popular.
 
7:53 PM
I don't think the rep system is, in itself, a bad thing; and I wouldn't want to change it, really. Folks who have posted lots of answers have, after all, invested a lot of time/effort into the site.
 
@wim don't mention SEDE when @rene is present... he'll probably end up writing a query or something... :p
 
Will there anything happen here in 5 mins?
 
election opens... other than that, not much
 
user13149581
Anyone has heard of @ElectionBot?
 
When does the election start?
 
7:55 PM
The election has not started yet. The nomination phase is starting at 2020-07-06 20:00:00Z (soon).
 
@akuzminykh fireworks go off at the SE headquarters. But nobody told them, so it will be a surprise ...
 
wim
@Harpistry I think he's a shill from Cambridge Analytica
 
@rene Donald Trump is giving a speech. "Make Stack Overflow great again."
 
Meta will pay for it? :)
 
xD .. the "metacans"
 
wim
7:59 PM
what's the trigger for the MSOGA secret hat in winter bash?
 
Make SO Great Again
 

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