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4:29 AM
@OlegValter "trying to find a post" Really? Homepage of either Meta or main didn't work for you? :-)
Looks like a neat tool nevertheless.
Although I'm a bit cautious about encouraging people to post images in comments.
 
 
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9:08 AM
@CodyGray works for me, but that is exactly what I meant when I said I am tired :) Nothing worse in my book than repetitive unnecessary actions
@CodyGray thank you!
@CodyGray yeah, same here - this thought crossed my mind several times, and that is a concern indeed. That said, I am not sure I have seen people post images in comments other than to substantiate bug reports.
You got me curious, though - maybe a SEDE query when I have some time is due :)
 
Well, yeah, I don't see it as a huge problem right now, but I fear that's because it's hard. :-)
Making it easier may create a problem, which is something you can't tell from research.
 
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Q: Do Overflow Blog posts have to be programming-related?

Someone_who_likes_SEI'm asking about this blog post: https://stackoverflow.blog/2021/11/24/exploding-turkeys-and-how-not-to-thaw-your-frozen-bird-top-turkey-questions-from-our-cooking-stack-exchange/?cb=1 This post is not about programming. It isn't about Stack Overflow. It's about cooking turkey. However, the top o...

 
Boat programming
 
@CodyGray yeah, it might very well be - I will try to be cautious :) Likely will only version it and make available here - it is one of the "for my own convenience" scripts
 
Yeah, obviously; no issue with that.
I just wouldn't start promoting it on Meta.
 
9:27 AM
yeah, definitely - actually, this was (and still is) a pending feature requests to Spectric's CommentAssist userscript, but in absence of [status-completed], I decided to finally throw together my own :)
 
Oh, heh.
I thought that was useless. :-)
Looks nice, but ultimately quite useless.
Although I did upvote your feature request there, because it seems like a very reasonable addition to the script's feature-set.
 
@CodyGray I wonder if the reaction to the question is related to the perceived attack on Thanksgiving. Other than that, I cannot rationally explain it
 
No
It's because the whole thing is silly
Obviously the company doesn't have quality standards for the blog
They just post anything and whatever up there
A Meta question about it is positively silly
What response is the asker looking for?
 
@CodyGray yeah, I remember the discussion :) A nice-to-have thing for those who can't be bothered to learn even the basics of markdown (which seems like a significant chunk of users)
 
Maybe those users should stop posting comments?
 
9:32 AM
maybe, but this is hardly an attainable goal :)
 
No? Hmm. I'd think the harder it was made for them to do so, the more likely it would become that they would stop.
 
@CodyGray heh, well, some time ago I realized I post a substantial amount of images in comments, so it looked like a nice feature to have in such a script. I still find keyboard shortcuts pretty useful even for those that know markdown, mostly in the case of links, of course, the rest of it is extremely easy to type
 
Huh
I never use keyboard shortcuts for Markdown
Can't imagine how it's any easier to select things first, then press keyboard shortcuts, rather than just type the Markdown syntax as you go.
 
@CodyGray yeah, that is... true. Ironically, they seem to monitor these reports, though - as Ryan Donovan is now listed as the ES6 article co-atuhor, and it was somewhat improved (not too substantially, though)
 
Yeah, they definitely monitor them
 
9:38 AM
and... this one is a new low, guess which one is the odd one out:
 
Um
 
the rest at least pretended to be about technology
 
Let me guess
You think the sizes should be consistent?
The red highlighted one is "Invest in your favorite developer"... that is also pretending to be about technology.
 
nope, nope, sorry :) green - technology-related (programming? not everything there is strictly programming-related, but I can give it a pass), red - well, about cooking turkey
dang
wrong page
 
haha
 
9:40 AM
embarrassing :)
 
Something was wrong there
 
correction :)
 
I note a lot more inconsistencies there
Also, I'm pretty sure there is at least one other blog article that is not about programming, or even technology.
 
speaking of the above then - it is even worse. Not even one newsletter is not about tech... As for this one - I hope not, but it is not unlikely
although I just looked through 5 pages of it, and all are at least vaguely technological
@CodyGray frankly speaking? Just to ridicule it a bit :) I do not expect it to get an official response (although if you do not try, you will never know), or the article taken down, or the scope tweaked, or anything. Just for it to be as another written testament that it is BS, and the community knows it.
 
Just wait until Christmas
There will be more posts like it to join this one
You needn't have worried :-)
 
9:49 AM
@CodyGray are you sure you want to make a case for it? :) I know quite a few folks that do chores no matter how hard they are made, they just get constantly frustrated... That said, I do find it very unlikely that someone cannot learn (or like) Markdown for writing posts/comments/mssages
@CodyGray ugh
 
@OlegValter I don't think I know very many people like that.
I am not even sure I know anyone.
You have to be very devoted to something to do it no matter how hard it is made.
 
I just do not understand - so many easy ways to tie Thanksgiving to tech, and they chose cooking Turkey (no offense to Seasoned Advice, @Catija)
@CodyGray lucky you :)
 
I don't think it was Catija's fault.
 
no, I just felt like I am too harsh on SA :)
 
It's not Seasoned Advice's blog!
If it were, then, yeah, you would be.
 
9:55 AM
@CodyGray in my experience, there is an alternative - or a very stubborn one (and I know a bunch)
wait... where did the bot go?
oupsy-daisy
phew
a thought crossed my mind to implement the blame assigner in it too :) seems like brewing coffee and assigning blame are the most prominent features of bots across the network
 
Did your bot recently go down for 52 hours? If not, you are in pretty good shape. :-)
 
heh, you refer to Metasmoke, I suppose?
yeah, down for much less than that, and thankfully, mine is pretty inconsequential
 
Indeed
 
speaking of, aren't there any redundancy options for MS?
 
No, it's not set up that way.
 
10:01 AM
^ out of curiosity - 52-hour outage because of an ISP outage is scary
 
They could run two instances for redundancy, which would require some code changes, but the bigger problem is that MS is very expensive to run.
It chews up AWS credits in no time flat
Naturally, I wonder how much of that is due to it being Python.
 
@CodyGray yeah, I've seen Makyen's breakdown in the room
 
Ah, good
 
I wonder if it could be Heroku-deployed - the only restriction there is hours, not cycles. Or if Google's cloud options are more permissive.
that said, I am pretty sure it all was extensively discussed before
 
With Heroku, you get so many hours of run-time for each credit? You get as many CPU cycles and as much memory as you want?
 
10:07 AM
let me take a look at the limits
do you know how much memory does it burn through normally?
 
Jiggabytes
I don't really know, but I remember seeing Makyen and Thomas discussing it. I also know that it has a memory leak, such that Thomas is now rebooting it once a day to try and recover performance.
So that suggests "lots".
Python :-)
 
hmm, ouch
ok, one plus would be that Heroku auto-restarts apps once they hit limits :)
 
haha
 
free tier has 512Mb memory, but it does not have any credit-like limits either on CPU or memory footprint. I thought Python should be more memory usage-friendly than JS, though?
 
I have no idea. I don't think 512 MB would be anywhere near enough.
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 18 hours ago, by Makyen
The AWS t3.small, which has 2 vCPU, on which I'm running my -num02 instance shows that it's pegging at 100% CPU for extended periods. In other words, a t3.small doesn't really cut it for running SD.
 
10:17 AM
ugh
that's the ones I've seen
 
You read the Charcoal HQ transcript, too?
 
I follow a lot of chat rooms :) CPU usage should not be that much of a problem, but I wonder what about the memory footprint. If 0.5Gb is not nearly enough, then yeah, Heroku's not even a redundancy option. Jeez, Metasmoke is heavy
 
What is your CPU usage, reading all those transcripts?
 
hey, not constantly :)
 
I don't really understand why it should be that heavy
Nor SD, either.
 
10:23 AM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I am sure there is an explanation, but do not know what would it be either
 
13 mins ago, by Cody Gray
Python :-)
 
hmm... Does not mean much to my :) I do not know if Python is notorious for high memory usage. JS always was, but Node.js allows for very low memory footprint when using streams. Unless MS reads huge datafiles (regexes?) in-memory, I am pretty unsure why it needs that much memory. CPU usage I understand
 
Oh yeah. MS is reading huge data files. Like the entire corpus of posts that have ever been caught by SD.
 
oh, that might explain a couple of things about it being heavy on memory use
does not it mean that at some point it will become unmaintainable, though?
 
Maybe
 
10:32 AM
I am pretty sure these data files are not read in-memory all at once. If they must be, then it is... odd
 
Well, they definitely have to be when doing a search
 
wonder if it can be done in streamed chunks? But that's Node speaking in me, I do not really know how it applies to Python and, especially, to the Metasmoke project
 
Yeah, I don't know, either.
 
10:50 AM
huh :)
 

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