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Q: Lifting Review Suspension after Mistaken Audit

BrianEarly today I received a review suspension after failing this audit. I failed this audit after leaving the following comment (paraphrased to the best of my recollection), which I intended to follow with an upvote: What version of C++ are you using? With move semantics, you probably shouldn't...

 
 
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IMHO, this Question is far beyond salvation: https://stackoverflow.com/review/triage/25786330
I was trying to make sense from this question, that is missing almost all punctuation. Is this a case for "Requires Editing" or "Unsalvageable"?
 
@derM Well its a duplicate to start with, so that would be unsalvageable
otherwise is a basic please write my codez
which is also not something you'd want to edit into shape
so I'd pick unsalvageable, but I'm usually rather quick to jump to that.
 
Yeah I'm about 75% sure I understood what they were asking. Probably that you should be able to select only 1:30, 2:30, etc., but I'm not confident. Either way, dupe of that one.
 
It's unclear if they want to modify the code to pick the nearest 30 min. interval, or go to the nearest half hour after the hour. Or that the timepicker should only have options for 30 min. intervals.
But when I see code like that, I wish Java would enforce whitespace and indentation..
 
@Scratte any program should :)
I just got asked to take the loop, for the second time around. Whoop Whoop
 
11:05 AM
It's literally a single key-combination in like, every IDE
take the loop?
 
site satisfaction survey
 
oh right
 
@RyanM I don't use an IDE. I use notepad++ And missing import statements are also getting on my nerves.
 
> I don't use an IDE. I use notepad++
For Java?! But how do you write all the boilerplate?
> And missing import statements are also getting on my nerves.
oh god, yeah, especially in the Android tag, especially because a lot of the time _wrong imports are the problem_
 
@RyanM I have a keyboard. It's great for typing ;) I don't get confused about what boilerplate is there because it needs to be or because it was copied. But I don't Android. I just Java :) Same problem though. It especially gets on my nerves when I have to first download a library, that I've never heard of and they don't mention it in the Question.
 
11:11 AM
I also got baffled by this question today, from the Triage review: stackoverflow.com/questions/61066750/…
I can't think of any error message more explicit then this.
 
there are so many more explicit errors than that
 
@Luuklag That's another thing that make me leave a Question. When I have no clue which line is the problem. It would be so easy to just include "This is the line" before the code.
 
I have a copy-paste for that:
It's very difficult to debug a crash without a stack trace. See [Unfortunately MyApp has stopped. How can I solve this?](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23353173) for Android-specific advice, and [What is a stack trace, and how can I use it to debug my application errors?](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3988788) for advice on what to do once you have the stack trace. If you still need help, edit your question to include the **complete stack trace**, as well as **which line of your code** the stack trace points to.
(I only review [android] questions)
 
@RyanM Not liking that though. I don't really want to see the stacktrace. Just the error. Unless the entire program is there, I have no use for the stracktrace and I think it's noisy.
 
I just did an edit from the H&I queue, and the edit description gets posted as a comment as well. Is that supposed to happen?
 
11:18 AM
@Scratte It's quite helpful for Android questions, in part because they almost never tell you what line it is, but also because you can get some information about when it's being called, whether the crash is in their code, etc.
but also that's usually copied onto someone who's given nothing useful, often just an incorrectly transcribed paraphrasing of the name of the exception
 
But I find debugging Questions to be very easy, but very low traffic (obviously). I sort of stopped answering them. 1. Because I always put in comments of how to fix them in the code. 2. Fixing it just brings out the next error. 3. Someone always Answers with working code with no explanation much faster than me. <-- They're probably using an IDE ;)
 
They're interesting from a developer UX perspective...I have a couple canonical FAQs I've been meaning to write
but yeah generally I agree
 
@Luuklag I'm looking at this: stackoverflow.com/questions/61073781/…
Why are you not putting the code into code blocks? It's looks weird
I don't see any comment on the post though
 
@Scratte No, I self-deleted it. Because as a comment it made 0 sense
 
@Luuklag Removing the evidence is not helping :D
 
11:29 AM
@Scratte Because the indent button didn't work. Probably because it is in a numbered list, and I hate code fences.
@Scratte It was exactly the same as the edit description: "Format code as such, that makes the question easier to read."
 
code fences? As in ``` ``` ?
 
yes
 
copy paste works.. I say away from those types of Questions too, because the code looks like a jagged array.
Please use the code fence. The single tick is for inline code.
 
Hmmm, you have to double up the indentation to make a code block within a numbered list
which the code block button wont let you do
so I put in those ugly fences
@Scratte
 
I use copy'n'paste on every line if I need to. I also don't really use the triple-tick much. I figure if I'm editing something, I need to make the effort, even if it's using copy'n'paste of 6 spaces in front of 20 lines :)
@Luuklag It looks so nice now. Thank you :)
 
11:41 AM
The stupid thing of the code fences is that you NEED to have them on a seperate line, otherwise the text after it gets hidden.
 
Isn't there suppose to be both a before triple tick and an after triple tick? I'm not very familiar with them. But I probably should be because it makes it easy to force the language specifics.
 
That is what I thought, but it worked without the after ticks for most of them, so I didn't bother
 
I just bothered :) But I'm reluctant to submit it, since it may be rejected as too minor an edit. My edits have to be approved.
 
Don't worry, the suggested edit queue approves everything regardless of how minor it is. There's someone who mostly just capitalizes "i" and "android studio" in random posts from years ago and almost all of them get approved
and then I saw this, which is objectively making the post worse: https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/25796903
Naturally it has an approve vote on it
 
I was just ninja'd :)
 
11:48 AM
@Scratte by me
 
@Luuklag I noticed :)
@RyanM Looks weird. How does Android deal with linebreaks in Strings?
 
Not like that :-p "first line" +
"second line"
+ can be on either line for Java
 
I've done some String s = "This text includes
a linebreak"; But then it really does have a linebreak in it, and it's horrible, because I'd much rather put the \n in the string.
 
Kotlin requires it on the first line because it doesn't have semicolons and thus can't differentiate between intended concatenation and a unary plus operator
@Scratte That doesn't work in Java, I just checked because you made me doubt myself
 
@RyanM Ok. Need to check again. I was sure I made it work..
 
11:56 AM
(Disclaimer: I'm not on the latest version, I'm not 100% sure which version the random source file I opened is compiled with, but it's almost certainly at least Java 7)
 
I'm on 11. I can't make it work on that. Good thing I didn't provide an actual answer :D
Maybe it was pl/sql that it worked on..
 
thanks for all the reports
 
12:12 PM
You're welcome Samuel
@SamuelLiew You happen to know how posts end up in LowQuality review?
 
VLQ flag perhaps?
(I searched for ".png" in this room)
 
@SamuelLiew It needs updating though, as we only need 3 CV's
but according to this schema, no questions flow to LQ queue on SO
 
@SamuelLiew But it may be outdated. According to another nice flow chart the VLQ just sends it to Triage.
 
so, from what I gather from the chart, the system itself detects some heuristics from the post title/body when a question is posted by a user
no human intervention sends it to VLQ
the (under on SO/under on SE) part is unclear, and IDK what the thresholds are
the system is probably something like metasmoke where certain issues have higher weightage and once the post quality is below some point, then send it to the VLQ
 
There's this: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/323945/… that also indicates that the heuristics sends it to Triage. It's very confusing.
 
12:24 PM
yeah there are two levels of thresholds
if not low enough for VLQ, send to Triage
 
That makes sense. But why doesn't a VLQ then send it to that queue instead of into Triage, I would ask myself..
 
The deep mysteries of the review queue's
meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/396375/… what started this discussion
 
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Q: Auto comment on code only answers from Low Quality review

LuuklagToday I was reviewing some Low Quality Posts, and I noticed that I pressed "Skip" in about 80% of the cases. While there inherently is nothing wrong with skipping I sat for a moment and wondered what caused me to skip all these answers. The reason being that they mostly were code-only, or code w...

 
Well thank you @Feeds
 
1:00 PM
You didn't suggest a comment like "This answer is the apple with 3 bites out of it, see <post>" :D
 
feel free to add that as an answer @Scratte ;)
 
I assure you, it will not be "Well received", though I may use it myself as one of my manual canned comments :)
 
1:13 PM
Or did you already sift to my entire review history @SamuelLiew
 
when I'm around I check Triage history every 30-60 minutes
 
1:52 PM
Why don't we just make an AI to do reviews since there IS a right and wrong answer?
 
@Marvin Because one needs to understand the Question in order to make a judgement. At present AI cannot determine if a Question is understandable, nor can it determine if there's enough information, or if a Question isn't actually opinion-based or if it's a database admin Question instead of a programming one.
 
2:16 PM
a comment of mine on meta!?!? I feel famous!
 
You're welcome @double-beep
 
FYI, this is a comment I have been adding to LQP and LA reviews for some days and I see that most of the people are willing to edit their posts to add explanations. Looks like they are interested in getting rep.
I get comments like 'edited, hope it'll get upvotes'
 
Would be cool if you add that "anecdotal" evidence as answer if you have the time @double-beep
 
Comments come from this userscript.
@SamuelLiew thank you - it now works.
 
 
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9:29 PM
Hello! I've just discovered this room, as a consequence of the discussion I've opened for the same topic:
https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/396406/are-bannishments-too-harsh
I've made some comments about the review system, and while I understand my mistake, I think the "1 month" ban for that is potentially excessive
 
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Q: Are review suspensions too harsh?

toshiro92As an old member, I experienced for the first time being suspended from reviews. My banishment was apparently due to a simple Triage mistake: I chose "Require editing" while "Unsalvageable" was apparently preferable: Your review on triage/25714414 wasn't helpful. The "Requires Editing" op...

 

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