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20:32
Huh. terdon's right - this is actually possible. Never knew that feature was a thing.
Still not sure it's a thing. :P
The suspension does seem like bullshit to me, FWIW, @RobertHarvey. I'm not sure the post was useful or ever going to achieve anything in the current climate, but I don't see how it was "incendiary"; it was nothing but a blunt statement of an opposing view. It's in any case far less incendiary than the staff posts introducing the actual CoC!
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It seems clear now that they just don't want me around. That's fine. It's not the same company it once was.
If they didn't want politics on their platform, they shouldn't have brought politics onto their platform.
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Indeed
Though I suspect they don't see their actions in those terms
There's a great quote from a Slate Star Codex post I remember that I think analogises quite well here:

> "In the hospital where I work, there’s a RESIST TRUMP poster on the bulletin board in our break room. I don’t know who put it there, but I know that anybody who demanded that it be taken down would be tarred as a troublemaker, and anyone who tried to put a SUPPORT TRUMP poster up next to it would be lectured about how politics are inappropriate at work. This is true even though I think at least a third of my colleagues are Trump supporters."
In the same way, when they demand fealty to progressive beliefs as a condition of participation, that's "basic human decency"; when you refuse, that's "bringing politics into it".
20:56
gentlemen, the MSE question about Robert's original suspension is getting cleaned up.
also locked, of course, and bounty removed AFAICT
It was locked because people kept trying to put bounties on it.
On the subject of reinstatement, I was already told that I would be banned from moderation for a year as a result of the first suspension.
And now you will be banned from moderation for two years (rehab counter starts at the end of your sentence).
I told them I wouldn't moderate their sites again.
Given the cards we're dealt, it's probably a good idea.
Also, fun fact: this will be the second time I've been suspended over things that someone else said. :)
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21:03
Oh, I don't think they even thought about that. Someone's razor says they most probably believed it was your own original content.
The reaction is bonkers, though.
but... does posting a suggestion for new CoC justifies such ban? I guess SE was looking for a reason to ban you and you gave it to them.
A strong dislike of me in general has been fermenting with some people at corporate for awhile. It's so apparent that the Akismet filter on the blog summarily scraps my posts, even if they're innocuous, even if I post under a pseudonym.
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Of course. You probably are one of these toxic people in TL who had the gall not to be in phase with progress, right? ;)
Hmm, MSE now links here (meta.stackexchange.com/questions/336339/…). Expect quite a few eyes tonight.
user773737
21:21
You will live on in our hearts and minds
21:38
@RobertHarvey (between me and RH) Our comments and your link got deleted. As I suspected, by no other than the same CM who locked this MSE question. Posting the link on that page was a pretty clumsy thing to do, and easily avoidable.
This is so silly, we're acting like deaf dumb and blind partisans when the enemy can intercept our every word and block our every initiative.
Now, if you excuse me, I'm going back to the woods :)
Don't forget your banjo. :P
21:55
MSE question unlocked. If anyone has an addiction problem with MSE and wishes to be suspended for a week (or more), feel free to offer a bounty again.
Oh, rectification :) MSE question is now locked forever.
On the positive side, it's interesting to know about all the options the moderators have. After all these years, I'm still being surprised.
It will probably be locked for a month.
Nah, the new UI displays remaining time for timed locks (at least it did for the first, timed, lock). Now it just says Locked.
I personally have no faith in meta's moderators at this point.
I thought Robert's proposal was flawed, but not unsalvageably so. It certainly wasn't year-long-ban-worthy.
22:22
They're suspending people for offering bounties on questions? That's so weak.
I can't see anything about who offered which bounty either in the edit history or the timeline -- it only looks like a CM fighting against themselves. Can you elaborate on which user was suspended for offering a bounty, @faintsignal?
@FrédéricHamidi My comment was a reaction to yours above, which implied so: If anyone has an addiction problem with MSE and wishes to be suspended for a week (or more), feel free to offer a bounty again. I guess you were just being playful then.
Oh, I was. I honestly thought someone took me to my word and suffered consequences :) Guess I'm not used to second degree in chat anymore, will have to improve on that.
About moderators, @rockwalrus, how many are they on MSE now? I mean true, insert-latin-word-here non-elected mods, not CM or staff? I know about three, unless ChrisF is a CM (I'm not sure). Is there more? Because it is quite easy to echo-chamber yourself into bad decisions when there are only three people involved.
Yeah, I think there are three.
I think this is a real-time list: stackexchange.com/about/moderators
22:38
Well, given the current consensus I'm sure they agree on a lot of things.
23:08
eh, among people in power (room owners, moderators, employees, etc) you tend to put forward a unified front regardless of whether or not all the members agree with said front.
so i wouldn't go so far to assume they're all in agreement.
You mean, both three of them?
AFAICT Tinkeringbell and JourneymanGeek (hope I got the caps right) share the same opinion about what to do, say, with Robert's latest question. And I do not see ChrisF around very much on MSE lately (last time I saw their name was on my suspension notice).
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sometimes you have to do what needs to be done, regardless of if you agree with it.
pick your battles etc
this ofc coming from an RO of the meta room here who doesn't always agree with the policies i'm expected to enforce
you do the job or step down.
I would agree (for some definition of agree) but moderators are not paid. They're not employees. They're not required to follow the party line.
23:22
that depends on your definition of required
If the options are do it, do nothing, or go against it and be removed... that sounds pretty required to me
if you do nothing, someone else will do it.
I think this is very much a matter of personal opinion. People thinking alike tend to gather together. I think we have a lot of people thinking alike in positions of power. History proves that's never a good idea.
Doesn't help that people who disagreed freely stepped down on their own accord.
Someone else will do it does not entail you have to keep doing it if you do not agree with it.
Again, it's a pick your battles situation.
@user400654 Absolutely, this is a big part of the current situation.
23:25
Go against it and lose your ability to present your opinion, or... dont and fight another day
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A challenger appears.
Seriously, is this on-topic? ;)
What is on topic?
@user400654, rockwalrus' post.
dunno, this just looks like a discussion room between two people, not linked to any given post
though... i'd argue this whole discussion woulda been better had in the meta room
23:27
The Saturday Night Massacre was when a series of people at the Justice Department all refused to follow the President's illegal order, stepping down instead.
Right, but we're talking about meta se, where there are active staff more than ready to take action
(which occured in this case)
Time for a Dear Meta Moderators letter?
not acting just means it's gonna go to staff.
dunno bout you, but i'd rather those two mods handle it.
@rockwalrus, dear meta moderators, could we have real elections on this site? Your current mandate will be revoked, but you're free to participate of course. This is full of win.
good luck with that
heh
23:31
Thought as much :)
those mods have already expressed that hey feel they don't need any additional help. what you'd be proposing is that they aren't doing their job... and i think it'd be rather difficult to make said argument openly on meta as it'd be considered a personal attack.
@user400654 No, no, I don't say they're not doing their job. I'm saying this is not exactly the job I would like them to do.
And I have no choice, because nobody voted for them.
So elections would arguably solve the problem of "groupthink".
Possibly by confirming it, possibly by reversing it, but it would settle things once and for all.
not really... as the "groupthink" would be who would be casting votes
lol
Yup
The community, casting votes. The definition on SO when I joined at the time.
Robert's post is not something that people need to be protected from. There was no exception to handle.
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23:36
So challenge the action
Which one? Banning Robert for a year? I'm here to challenge that :)
i mean, doing so here isn't all that useful is it?
noones listening
Do it on meta.se, and you're just gonna fall into the same fate.
Hard to challenge it when the CMs seem to be making it an unfact.
so take it outside
@user400654, outside of the SE network?
23:44
Getting yourself suspended or leaving are pretty silly ways of trying to push for change. You're just silencing yourself. You've gotta act smarter about it if you really want to do something about it.
Have non-combative discussions with people who disagree with you
outside, asin outside the network, yes
If they're going to silence your message and restrict your ability to participate if you share it, continuing to share (where they have the ability to do so) it is futile
You're only hurting your own ability to participate in the change.
23:59
I'm a bit surprised none of the latest censored meta posts have made their way to /r/stackoverflow

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