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wim
5:50 PM
Could I please get a response from the Python RO(s) about what changes they will enact, or otherwise some kind of communication that there will be no changes?
I've stated my case, and there was some words of agreement (and disagreement) from other members, but no response from RO in question. Other RO(s) made comments but I can not tell whether they intend to hold this RO accountable or whether they just disagree with my complaint in the first place.
In case it was not obvious enough: I am actually hoping for some changes to come out of this. I'm not just complaining for the sake of complaining. Thanks
 
6:46 PM
@wim There will be no changes. Your participation in the room is welcome, but making remarks (and jokes) about oppression and thought policing by us and the like (you know the kind) might lead to the same outcome (i.e. your message being moved and yourself kicked).
 
wim
7:03 PM
@AndrasDeak This was not the only occasion. It was only the most recent occasion.
What about the kicks mentioned here, and even the earlier kicks for minor grammatical mistakes? Do you think it's acceptable?
The most recent kick was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back, it just happens that this was the first time this reoccurred since MetaPython room existed so that it can actually be discussed without being kicked repeatedly.
 
I don't wish to review the history, of which there is a lot and it started well before I came to the room (otherwise I'd have done that already). I would not have kicked you at that point in some of those events (but later maybe yes, depending on reaction), but that's not a question of acceptability.
we all have a different approach to moderation, and we all have different reaction curves
 
wim
That's true, but when one RO is bullying then I expect others to hold them accountable. Reviewing the history is the least you could do.
 
I cannot review the history when I can't see where kicks happen. And calling RO's actions "bullying" is the kind of jab for which you find yourself more often on the boot end than elsewhere.
 
wim
I can help you
 
wim
7:17 PM
this user was also kicked and then not heard from much since, I don't know if it was directly related but it looks so.
 
I understand your frustration, but the way you always wrap some backhanded remark in your objections doesn't help at all. In any case this is all I've got.
 
wim
And freezing the room just because a discussion about deep learning was not interesting TO YOU is not acceptable. The room should be for whatever on-topic Python discussion users from stack exchange want to engage in, not whatever subset the ROs find interesting.
 
You're a smart guy, you know exactly when your messages are likely to incite conflict (that's probably why you phrase things that way, walking a line at best). I suggest that you give up and not post these messages which I'm sure you know are borderline.
 
wim
They are borderline by the ROs opinion only. I am saying that the ROs opinion of what is borderline is what needs to change here.
 
wim
7:21 PM
Provided users are not breaking stack exchange rules, we should be free to chat.
 
no
Look around chat.SO. There are even chatrooms where the default is that people can't talk.
 
wim
That is irrelevant. This is the Python room, for one of the most popular tags on main, it's not some private users room.
If you want to enforce some rules other than the stack exchange rules, by all means do it in another room. But it is stifling to do this in the Python room.
 
@wim No, it's very much relevant. See for instance Android. You are saying that only SE rules should apply. I'm saying that's not true. Rooms have their own culture, and their own rules, which eventually boils down to the room owners.
you can disagree with that, and you can dislike it, but that's how it is
 
wim
The room owners are self-perpetuating.
 
that is also mostly true
 
wim
7:25 PM
They choose other RO that agree with them, and because of that there is a failure or unwillingness to hold eachother accountable. This is to the detriment of the Python chat in general.
In short, the time and effort is appreciated but you may be doing more harm than good.
@AndrasDeak What do you mean by a backhanded remark? How do you expect objections to be phrased?
 
In a way that doesn't imply bad faith from us. I "often" see you do that, which is not constructive and is in a way a self-fulfilling prophecy.
 
wim
@AndrasDeak Well I don't agree with Android policy there either. But I am not interested to push for a change to it because I don't intend to chat about android.
At a guess, it is probably stifling for the Android room too.
@PM2Ring The RO themselves use the same humor chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/41874000#41874000
 
there are also idioms used by subsets of society which if you use as an outsider it's offensive :P
 
wim
If this message had my username on the left of it, then I probably would have been kicked and it assumed I was acting in bad faith, not making a light-hearted joke
 
Yes. The difference between friendly banter and blatant insults is context and social relations between the participants.
 
wim
7:35 PM
Well isn't that assuming bad faith from me? Surely you can see the hypocrisy there.
I promise you it was not intended as insult but I can certainly understand, in hindsight, how it could be misconstrued as such.
 
And I believe you, but there's not much we can do about it now
 
wim
There are plenty of things you can do. At a minimum, an apology, but what I really want to see is your kick policy changed.
 
as I said at the start, there will be no changes, and that's all I've got
 

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