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@VLAZ So... I realized that how I wrote that was ambiguous. What I meant is that we, here, assembled, are experts in trash [content]. But it could also mean that you, specifically, are an expert in trash [content]. Either way works.
What "question"? There is no question in that post. — philipxy 24 hours ago
Sigh. The question is, how do I make my code work. Does that really need to be spelled out? Was it really unclear? Does that kind of thing really make the site better?
@Feeds I suppose I need a British person to tell me what's wrong with microwaving a mug.
 
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07:28
@CodyGray If you're interested:
in C#, 20 hours ago, by Captain Obvious
@Feeds As a person from the United Kingdom, I can confirm the accuracy of this
in C#, 20 hours ago, by Captain Obvious
who the hell microwaves water
in C#, 20 hours ago, by Captain Obvious
just buy a kettle
The messages are very fragmented, so I picked the most relevant ones. But that should assure you - it is a British person, and what their suggestion is.
TBH, I have a kettle at home. I don't have a microwave. But my parents just use the microwave for making tea.
They also use the coffee maker - it doubles as a hot water dispenser (when you don't put any coffee pods in it). It's suitable for making one cup of tea.
I've heard that in the US electric kettles are worse because of the 110V power lines. Apparently, it means kettles are literally boiling water slower over there than the 220V ones in Europe. And I've never used the non-powered kettles that go on the hob. My grandmother used to have that but IIRC, they were clumsy and also slow.
08:02
@VLAZ what is a kettle
*googles
ohhh. I have an electric one
08:56
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@starball It's a small furry animal, native to South America. It has evolved to require heat, so you either put it on the stove or directly plug it into the electric outlet. The other peculiar evolutionary trait it has that it is very good at making tea. It can even do a full tea ceremony. Sadly, it's endangered species. The microwave oven preys on it. Microwave ovens are invasive species in South America.
It is possible some of this is made up.
 
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@starball how do you have an electric kettle and not know it is called a kettle? What do you call it?
water boily pitcher
16:35
I used to microwave my tea water at work before we got a kettle
same at home, when I was too lazy to heat it on the stove. I liked the electric kettle at work so much, I asked for one for Christmas last year
@aynber don't tell that to Brits
they'll explode on ya
16:56
sweet, I can use the explosion to heat my tea!
hopefully you have a containment apparatus
otherwise there will be a lot of wasted energy
Might I recommend you get in touch with folks in the nuclear fusion field; they have several different offerings you might be interested in: inertial electrostatic confinement chambers, tokamak chambers, toroidal chambers, and more!
Just don't ask them about net positive outflows... they get a bit touchy about that.
@TylerH the water boiler
/ the water boiling thingy
@VLAZ this was very close
Hmm, good point
17:25
@VLAZ the_more_you_know.mp4
17:38
@aynber Fun fact, it's possible to explode water by microwaving it. Well, it's hard but it can become superheated (over the boiling point but doesn't boil because it can't form bubbles). This is very dangerous - disturbing the water in this state will instantly turn parts of it into steam and will shoot extremely hot vapour and liquid around. See video demonstration
This time, none of this is made up. However, it's also very rare that it would happen. The water probably has to be very pure to not form bubbles (they form around impurities like specks of sediment in harder water) and put in a special container free of sharp angles and stuff.
Also, there is the opposite phenomenon of supercooling. Same idea but with ice - if you have very pure water in a good enough container, you can cool it below freezing temperature. Since ice crystals also need to form around something, the water will stay liquid. Then if you disturb it, like shake the container, it instantly freezes in front of your eyes. You might have seen videos of this of water freezing in a bottle. It was supercooled.
17:59
@VLAZ This I can semi-regularly reproduce just by putting stock bottles of water in one of the freezers we have.
@VLAZ While it is very rare, it happens often enough, given the large quantity of times water is heated in a microwave in the overall population, such that it's a notable danger, which one should keep in mind and take steps to avoid.
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@VLAZ Oooh... the kid in me goes "That looks AWESOME! Let's try it!" and the adult is going "Are you kidding? Take that outside!"
I've done the freezing bottle many times. It doesn't happen every time, but I've done it often enough with bottled water
Please release both the kid and the adult in you. They have been locked in there far too long.
Yes. yes, they have
 
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@VLAZ I have seen it happen once or twice with water. However, I've also found that it happens reliably with the ramen broth and containers from a restaurant I order from regularly. I always make sure to stir it with a chopstick before removing it from the microwave, and it foams violently as soon as the chopstick touches it.
So, further fun fact - you may have seen little "pillows" - they have some liquid in them and a tiny metal thing. floating. You snap the metal thing and the pillow heats up. To warm your hands, Not sure what their official name is. Anyway, they use the super cooling principle. Here is an extra fact about super cooled liquids - when they freeze they heat up. Water freezes as 0 C / 32 F. When super cooled it will be below this temperature but when it freezes it increases to the freezing point.
So, the pillows that heat up use this - the solution in them freezes at a high temperature (like 60 C / 140 F). You boil them which thaws them. Then they super cool down to room temperature. Snapping the thing inside starts the freezing process.
i've never encountered this with a microwave
@VLAZ notably, I believe (but have not looked up to double check), by creating a nucleation point via a cavitation-like process.
Tried to search for the thing to find whether it has an official name. Doesn't seem so. Found this product on amazon. Apparently the brand there is "Hot to Go".
@VLAZ I am interested. But that doesn't tell me anything, really. I mean, "who the hell microwaves water"... anyone who wants to efficiently and quickly heat it up?? Yes, I suppose I could buy a kettle (aside from what you correctly noted about kettles being rather inefficient in the US), but heating up water is heating up water. What difference does it make whether I heat water in a kettle or a microwave? The point is to get it heated.
The secondary point is to heat it using something that is available and handy to me. Which is a microwave. I don't have a kettle. I am not interested in buying something so special-purpose that it accomplishes a goal that I already have a perfectly reasonable way to accomplish.
20:28
I used to microwave water for a quick cup of instant coffee, but now it's faster/more convenient to just use a single cup brewer
And a tertiary point is to heat it in a reasonably efficient way. Electric kettles can heat water for a cup of tea in 2-4 minutes. And, wouldn't you know it, that's exactly the same as my microwave! So, why would I use a kettle??
Yeah, coffee is a bit different, because instant coffee is (I'm told) terrible. I don't drink coffee, so that doesn't really apply to me.
eh, i like instant coffee late at night, because it's less acidic
Meh. I don't buy instant coffee but I do like it. I use coffee pods.
like the little french vanilla powder mix you can buy, quick and easy no mess. but i generally prefer actual coffee with the pods or in the full brewer
@VLAZ This doesn't apply to me. My water is more like liquid rock than pure water. :-)
The problem with coffee for me is that I don't like the taste. I do like the smell, but not the taste. So, I'm good with other people around me drinking it, but I'll pass myself.
@VLAZ They're called "heat packs". Or "personal warmers". Or some variation thereof.
It's complicated. The physical chemistry is an area of research.
20:38
always called them pocket warmers
Fun fact: you can eat them. Like a little Capri-Sun. Or a flavoring packet.
@VLAZ ... I may need to get some of these for some of my Chappell Roan-loving friends...
Deep cut but I approve
deep cut?
What does that have to do with Chappell Roan?
20:47
I had to look up what you meant. Apparently Chappell Roan is a singer and apparently she has a song "Hot to Go". Which is...more recent than most of the music I listen to.
My kettle is nice because it has a "keep warm" setting, in case someone wants tea after me
I call them hand warmers
Oh goodness, I didn't know that.
@aynber Hopefully rather soon after you. Otherwise, it's a nice warm cup of bacterial broth...
@aynber hand warmers, to me, are these things.
@CodyGray you're thinking of a teapot. A kettle is used to boil water.
@CodyGray Well, it's just water, and considering I set it to "boil", it should go back up to boiling, or almost
@RyanM Yeah, those too
20:49
also you have been banned from the UK until you complete your remedial tea education courses
@RyanM Hmm? No. If you boiled it earlier, and then just keep it sitting around warm, then it's not really safe. But I guess aynber means to re-boil it? Yeah, that'd be safe.
the "keep warm" functions brings it back up to the temp you select. Which it has 5 or 6 settings, but I keep it on boil
Oh, I see your argument. Well, hmm, it hasn't killed me yet despite keeping hot water around for potentially weeks.
There are a lot of things that people do wrong when making tea, but how they heat the water is not among them...
It's just heated water.
I have a device that keeps a reservoir of water at 192F constantly.
(it boils it first)
20:51
That seems rather inefficient, electrically speaking.
In other words, that seems like it is warming the globe much more effectively than it is warming water.
Oh, I mean. Yes. Though based on thermal imaging, it is surprisingly far from the worst offender in my apartment.
Even if you have, what, 5 cups of tea per day? Keeping the water heated constantly is hardly a good bargain.
not to mention dangerous
Well, it's better insulated. So that helps a bit, I guess. But you should probably be measuring the power draw, rather than the temperature.
It is vacuum sealed, other than a small steam vent
@CodyGray that is true; if you have a product you're happy with that does this, I'm in the market
20:53
Your refrigerator is generating a lot of heat, but it's actually doing so very efficiently. Because it's a heat pump.
@RyanM Uh... the Kill-a-Watt is basically the gold standard. I haven't done a lot of research in this space, though...
I would probably use a multimeter, because I always have that handy.
@RyanM the technical term is power consumption meter
@CodyGray Unfortunately, the devices I'm thinking of are a router, a KVM switch, and some smart speakers.
A KVM switch? Never seen one of those get hot.
@CodyGray I've struggled to find a clearly official source to purchase that device from.
probably a KVM switch that acts as a dock
20:54
@CodyGray You need to become part of the system to measure it. Basically plug between the outlet and the body of the product. A bit hard to do in some installations.
@CodyGray Yes, I would not recommend this one. That is only one of several issues with it.
Ah, yeah, there are a lot of no-name Kill-a-Watt knock-offs on Amazon that are terrible. I don't recommend.
@TylerH ...barely. It has USB switching also and that's it. ... as hinted above, it's a terrible product.
@RyanM Is your water boiling device corded? Or does it get heat from e.g. induction stove top?
@VLAZ You can measure current draw without becoming part of the system. But not as accurately. And for voltage, yes, you must put the meter inline. It is difficult to do this non-destructively and safely. I am not saying I would recommend it for general use. But, as illustrated by the earlier discussion about heating water, I tend to use what is convenient.
20:56
@TylerH It is this product.
Holy crap, that's an expensive water heater.
That costs more than what you'd use to heat the water for your entire domicile.
they are pretty much the gold standard for this type of device
And then it saves you, what, 2-3 minutes every time you want boiling hot water?
I was especially aware that cheaping out could be very expensive, in terms of power usage.
Depending on how often you get hot water - can be quite a bargain
20:58
You know what's not expensive? Unplugging it and not keeping water piping hot 24/7.
yes, but I don't have the patience
Oh dear.
@RyanM fair
it's more efficient to just use room temp water
Do you also keep your car running 24/7, just in case you want to hop in and drive somewhere?
Or keep your front door open, in case you want to go somewhere?
Time is precious; can't waste it on inefficiencies!
20:59
certain times of the year, we do in fact keep our door open
Hopefully, it is the times of year you are not also running an air conditioning system.
er, well
;)
@RyanM you can get wall-plugin meters that you plug the device into and it will tell you the power consumption
Amazon UK sells a ton I'm sure
*affects southern drawl* What were you, raised in a barn?
for probably $10 or similar
21:01
it's more or less treated like a window that time of year, because the other window has a giant tv sitting in front of it, making it inconvenient to open the curtains
Yeah, they're Kill-a-Watt knock-offs. And they're crap.
Did Ryan move to the UK?
oh for some reason I thought he was in the UK
but that's not where the innefficiencies end
it's been a long day
anyway the little $10 plugin one are crappy but they do they job well enough for $10
that room also has a concrete floor that goes fully outside the house, so it's always radiating heat in the summer and super cold in the winter
21:02
Relevant: eevblog.com/forum/testgear/watt-meter-kill-a-watt-alternative (generally a trustworthy source, although like any forum that lets anyone post without downvote buttons, take with a grain of salt)
so the door being open is mostly irrelevant
Looks like Amazon US does sell the Kill-a-watt device from the official manufacturer's shop @RyanM: amazon.com/P3-P4400-Electricity-Usage-Monitor/dp/…
It looks like Harbor Freight may have a legit, from-the-original-manufacturer (P3) Kill-a-Watt: harborfreight.com/kill-a-watt-electric-monitor-93519.html. That could be super convenient if you have one nearby you. Or, of course, you could order online.
Oh, yeah, that should be a safe bet, too.
@CodyGray no, because neither of those things take multiple minutes every time I want to do them.
The EZ is even cheaper. Not sure what the differences are.
Eh, it seems like a tankless-style water heater would be vastly more efficient.
I don't know if they have countertop models, but I assume they must?
The inefficiency and slovenliness of keeping a pot of water constantly at nearly-boiling just bothers me a lot.
I do plenty of wasteful things, I'm sure, but you have to draw the line somewhere.
21:08
how do you feel about hot water heaters
The tank ones are relatively wasteful, and definitely somewhere we (collectively) should optimize. All the talk about smart appliances and homes, but the intelligence has not been directed in one of the most useful places.
If you need to heat your house anyway, then I guess it's no problem. But that's not really a thing where I live. :-)
here we get both extremes... it gets too cold to comfortably just wear more clothes in the winter, and way too hot in the summer, though i suppose that covers a very large portion of the US now days
though this winter hasn't been cold yet
15 kWh per day for a tank water heater is common, and that's not insignificant. Energy is fairly cheap, so at an average of 16 cents per kWh in the US, that's only a couple of dollars per day. But there's more to it than just how much it costs you.
@CodyGray The problem is they don't make tankless-style water heaters for things like water delivery for tea, and the one for your home is required to have an upper limit of temperature that's significantly lower than boiling for safety reasons
the closest you can get for instant efficient domestic water supply at boiling temps is probably an induction stove top
which means you need a magnetic kettle, which also probably won't keep things hot for a long time unless it's got a vacuum sealed chamber attached that you can transfer water to once it's boiling, which is gonna be bulky and hard to design (at least for cheap)
and now you're in Rube Goldberg territory
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