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Q: What is the correct way to enable syntax highlighting for the Zig language?

mkrieger1Currently code blocks in questions tagged with zig (for Zig) do not get any syntax highlighting by default. Adding lang-zig to the opening triple backticks of the code block seems to enable some syntax highlighting (e.g. at least comments are visible as such), but it seems to not work reliably (...

@Feeds the MIT comma being the one at the end is especially good IMO
>Review questions from 50 distinct tags in Staging Ground. This badge can be awarded multiple times.
I just got 9 such badges awarded at once (although they're back-dated to whenever). Is this supposed to mean I've reviewed questions from 450+ distinct tags now? Does it really make sense to award this multiple times, as opposed to having silver and gold variations on the badge?
01:26
no, no
well, yes to the first one
entirely pointless badge, moreso than most
01:40
absolutely flooded my inbox. i didn't even get many of them.
01:58
ah, I wasn't the worst affected :) meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/431818/…
02:11
kinda confused with that one
the title is awful
but is anything else really wrong with it
 
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@KevinB It looks like the user decided to create a sock puppet: stackoverflow.com/staging-ground/79064508
 
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07:56
I can't believe people have trouble working with the voting system on SE. Like, I get that maybe up and down arrows seem like a +/- for a counter (modifying the relative value, not changing a single vote) but almost nothing works like that out there. And casual internet usage should teach users that buttons are almost always toggles. Click to turn "on", click again to turn "off".
The user isn't even new to the network - they have 1.9k rep on SO.
"but almost nothing works like that out there" to clarify - no voting thing works like that. You have counters. But then you can't only add or subtract 1 total.
@VLAZ "And casual internet usage should teach users that buttons are almost always toggles" I'd disagree pretty hard on on this. Most up/down buttons increment or decrement a counter. Only a tiny number of sites like reddit and ...I dunno, maybe Quora?... behave like Stack Exchange does, with an upvote/downvote model.
(I opened Quora.com to check and was treated to what appears to a social media feed of posts from random people I don't know, with no questions. What even is this; where are the questions?! But it does have upvotes and downvotes on these inexplicable posts, so...I guess it does, at least somewhere!)
@RyanM Reddit, Quora, Imgur, YouTube, Steam (reviews are "yes"/"no"). I don't really know how TikTok works but I assume it also has some sort of positive/negative interaction.
Dating apps with swipte left/right are also an example. Slightly different since it's not up/down but you still give a single piece of feedback and it's mutually exclusive with the other one.
08:11
Personally If I'd already upvoted something and was clicking the downvote button (Even before I joined any Stack Exchange site), I'd expect either of the follows: 1) Throw an error about me not being able to vote 2) Retract my upvote automatically and cast the downvote as well. This is exactly what the current system does.
@AbdulAzizBarkat And let's say you expected the counter to go down by 1. But that also removed the lit up state of the upvote, counted down two, and lit up the downvote arrow. Would you not then assume "oh, lit up means active" and maybe try to click it to make sure?
Well, I don't need to expect that because when I first clicked the upvote button it toggled from unlit to lit which told me that lit up means active. But yeah, if my expectations were wrong the first time the actual behaviour would pretty much tell me how it works.
If something serves as a counter it generally doesn't highlight one of the buttons you can click (Other than on hovering), if one of the buttons is shown in a different (darker) color one can pretty much expect you've already clicked it. But this does need one to spend some time using some applications or websites with such buttons to understand.
> This account is temporarily suspended for posting inaccurate AI content or plagiarism. The suspension period ends in 2 days.
This notice seems new.
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Q: Answer has been removed

JORIS ONDO EDZANG I have a question about my Stack Overflow post: angular universal - cache - prerender - 60 000 pages Hi, someone has answer my question yesterday, and it was really hepful and did give me direction on how to solve my issue. i don't understand why it has been removed and i would like to recover...

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Q: Remove and blacklist [.net-core-5] tag synonym for [.net-5]

Ian KempPreviously it was decided to synonym-ise .net-core-5 with .net-5. But there is no such thing as ".NET Core 5.0", and the presence of a synonym for something that doesn't exist is both confusing and wrong; therefore, .net-core-5 should be removed as a synonym, and blacklisted so people who don't u...

@VLAZ YouTube: icons are thumbs up/down, rather than arrows; count is only upvotes. Steam: icons are thumbs up/down, no counter at all. Imgur does indeed work the same way, though.
@VLAZ It's been around for several months now, since they did some refactoring of the mod message page.
@RyanM Still a single piece of feedback you give. And you can't "cancel" the previous one by clicking the opposite - you switch your feedback instead..
Granted, YouTube sucks now, since they've basically removed their thumbsdown. But it at least still offers the same same affordance
Right, but it doesn't look like any of these
But those allow you to add/remove more than 1, right?
Also, you don't get a visible "lock" when adding/subtracting the 1.
Yes, my point is that visually, other than the highlighting of your existing selection (which... I mean, people do all sorts of weird bespoke behavior, and it could be mistaken for a selection indicator of some sort), it looks roughly the same.
There's a visible "lock"?
08:49
I mean the toggle highlight
Ehhhhhhh I don't know how clearly that conveys its meaning (especially given that clicking it might plausibly give it input focus)
at any rate, my point is that I understand why, after clicking the up arrow to make the number go up, people feel an instinct to click the down arrow when they want to make it go down again
@RyanM Say you have a shopping basket. You can add/remove the amount of an item. If you do either of those, you don't get the +/- buttons highlighted
This is from a tiny site you've probably never heard of called amazon.com, I think they sell books. And limes, I guess.
@RyanM That's the focus highlight. It doesn't persist between reloads.
Who said they reloaded the page?
Although admittedly it doesn't persist if you switch tabs either, though I had to check to be sure of that.
Oh but it does persist if you switch windows, which would be plausible when coding based off an SO answer.
08:56
@RyanM I'd assume from the time they've used SO and accumulated 1.9k rep, they'd have voted at least once and reloaded the page.
@RyanM Just tap anywhere else on the screen, it should go away (In fact it goes away automatically for me)
@VLAZ Counterpoint: perhaps they instead navigated away and back via browser history, and saw that it was not highlighted when they returned.
@AbdulAzizBarkat Yeah, it goes away automatically for me as well, after a delay because they're doing something very weird with their UI. I actually took the screenshot by clicking into it and dragging off, because taking a precisely timed screenshot is annoying.
For context, I almost certainly have an above-average understanding of where edge cases lie in focus-related stuff, since I work on UI frameworks (though not on web).
I feel we don't need to debate on this. This does need user to spend time with such applications. Understanding of such UX is built over time, of course the designers try to make them as intuitive as possible but one obviously does not know it from the get go.
But I guess you two are having fun with the debate :P
To be clear, I should say that I think the UI is, y'know, fine. My quibble was mainly that I understand why people find it initially unintuitive. You certainly figure it out pretty immediately after doing the wrong thing, and it's easy to undo.
Probably thumbs-up/down would be a little more intuitive. Though I admit to a certain personal fondness for the use of arrows.
@RyanM also, I should say: this bug (that changes to a Stack Exchange page aren't reflected on a navigation away/back) is super annoying.
I understand generally why it happens, and I don't know how one would approach actually fixing that, but it'd be nice if it worked.
@RyanM I remember facing this problem in a project I'd done in my college days. There's a Q&A we have for this which I'd referred to solve the issue.
From what I remember vaguely the solution involved forcing a refresh instead of loading the page from the cache
@RyanM They should be able to use this I guess (There would be an extra reload on using the back button though): stackoverflow.com/questions/43043113/…
09:15
That's a bit unfortunate, though...
Ideally you'd only refresh it if actually needed
caching is, normally, a good thing
Especially consider, like, a mobile browser with high page load times
09:38
@RyanM Could be. But I don't think it's possible to make the system behave correctly for people who've apparently never really used either SO or most other websites.
Or desktop applications. Or mobile ones. Or IRL buttons that computer ones are modelled after.
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Q: Is there a point to reviewing/accepting suggested edits of tags on a poorly rated duplicate?

LWChrisI just came across a first-timer question that was poorly written (unclear, no examples, strictly speaking two questions, duplicate, only 1 very broad tag) and therefore downvoted and closed as duplicate. Nevertheless someone (not the author) made an edit to that question and added more specific ...

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> Nevertheless someone (not the author) made an edit to that question and added more specific correct tags.
Why do I feel I know who it was? Maybe not the exact account but it's probably one of the accounts that ends with "xWF".
I really should get around to raising a flag for those. I just forget. Then come accross another of their terrible suggestions but leave the flag for later and forget again...
10:53
OK, turns out I was wrong.
But also, did the suggested edits review always show the comments to the post? I feel that wasn't the case before.
Oh, it's probably because it's a tag-only suggested edit, I guess.
Describing a date format as "####-##-##" is a weird way to do so... Is the second part the day or is it the month? Only the asker knows.
@AbdulAzizBarkat Clearly it accepts a date like 2024-13-99
Perfectly clear
11:09
@VLAZ Obviously the format describes invalid dates. That makes total sense now. :P
@AbdulAzizBarkat The dates are valid. You simply need to use this cursed Monday calendar.
Caution: using the cursed Monday calendar is not recommended for mortals.
is that the image you meant to share there or is the link wrong?
(fixed the link, oops)
@AbdulAzizBarkat please tell me no one uses yyyy-dd-MM as a date format...
All date formats besides ISO 8601 are bad, but that is especially bad...
@RyanM Who knows there's plenty of weird date formats out there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
11:17
Conveniently, there's a Stack Overflow question on the matter that suggests the answer is "no"
except...maybe in Kazakhstan according to questionable sourcing?
@RyanM OK, I don't want to disappoint you, so I'll not say that
😭
actually, wait, that emoji doesn't do that justice...
I can't remember which site it was, exactly, but the format was so stupid, I made a userscript to chop it up and reassemble it in a sensible manner.
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Q: Would never have guessed that reputation was site-specific

Dan JacobsonJust the other day I almost s*** in my pants. My reputation count dropped by 1/3. Serves me right for posting crappy questions. But wait, it turns out that number is referring to each individual Stack Exchange site, not some grand total. I was comparing site A and site B. Well at least the mouseo...

@NewPosts that's a first sentence for the ages
11:23
@NewPosts It took 12 years to realise that?
@NewPosts At least the association bonus should have made it obvious for them? I wonder how we keep getting users oblivious to these things after spending years on the site
@RyanM It's poetry, you see.
Hopefully someone finds my specific choice of phrasing to replace theirs with to preserve the, ah, original meaning.
@NewPosts OK, honestly I'm not super against the proposal to expand the tooltip a bit. However, it's such a minor thing. It's a bit like adding a note to a fork for how to use it. It'd become obsolete very quickly.
Although unlike a note on a fork, it won't really get in the way that much.
11:31
Also, I'm ... confused as to how they thought there was a drop? Like...where does it even show your total network reputation? The only places I know are stackexchange.com/users/current?tab=flair and your chat.SE user page
@RyanM chatgpt.com/share/670517e8-640c-8010-9d44-e1ec3abedf87 is...OK-ish. Well, the first line. The others are meh.
@RyanM They looked at rep on one site and saw N. Looked at the rep on another and saw M. And N > M.
Until then, they assumed the rep is the same on all sites.
@VLAZ yes, but mine preserves the, uh, internal movements they claimed to have experienced as a result of this.
just...less graphically.
@VLAZ Ah, yeah, that's gotta be it.
Okay, I'm sure I'm going to be sad when I learn whatever the explanation for this is, but...why is there a 1px x 1px span next to my reputation with the text ", 19,839 reputation"?
@NewPosts Come to think of it - another good point the post raises (in the screenshot) is the "Stack Exchange" on top right. It does make it seem like you're currently on "Stack exchange" - as in, some singular site. But you're not - you're in a self-contained subsection of it. That spot is usually where the site logo is and said logo leads you to the main portion of the site. In SE, that's under.
And also not very well signalled it's the clickable-get-me-to-the-homepage element you'd expect from other sites.
@RyanM Uh, let me look at it in the dev tools.
My money is on "misguided attempt at accomplishing some accessibility-related task"
I guess? *insert the "I guess" image*
11:42
Whatever they were trying to do, though, it didn't work.
There is another similar span with your username. Next to your avatar. I suppose both combine to form <username>, <reputation>
Unless it was "bamboozle anyone who looks at it in dev tools"
@VLAZ yeah, you might reasonably suppose that. It doesn't, though.
Ryan M's user avatarRyan M
19,839, 19,839 reputation
●3434 gold badges●7272 silver badges●8181 bronze badges
is what it turns into
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ might work with screen readers?
Pure guess, though. Also, my gut feeling is that it doesn't.
The best guess I can give you that it was intended to work. It ended up not working. Maybe after they messed updated something.
I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be screen reader related. Based on the -sr suffix of that class. Both spans have it.
11:46
I suspect that they were trying to make "we have aria-label at home"
But other than that... no idea.
Also, if they're trying to fix the a11y for that whole widget, they should really address the fact that it says "$name's user avatar"
@RyanM "Hand-crafted and made from a family recipe passed down and refined from generations. Our custom areal-labels give you the same satisfaction of making one at home but with none of the hassle!"
What it should say is just the display name (because that's what it represents), or probably better yet, "your profile", and then not have a second copy of the display name for no conceivable reason.
@VLAZ Seems like this guess is true or at least it is meant to be: stackoverflow.design/product/base/visibility
> The element is visible only to screen readers
11:56
@RyanM also, based on the accessibility tree, it look like it would share the reading-that-part-out-twice bug
@AbdulAzizBarkat apparently, that needs to be followed by "...unless you put it as part of something that you've specifically excluded from being visible to screen readers"
gonna test in a screen reader to confirm that I'm not giving them crap while misunderstanding it myself
yeah, the reputation is just not read out at all
the username is also read out twice entirely because of the sr-visible username thing.
it would read out strictly more correctly without it.
It's actually not as bad as it used to be on the usercard on posts.
Not sure if that's caused by an improvement to the screen reader or to their markup
@VLAZ Maybe the solution would be to allow tag only suggested edits, but simply not award any reputation for it. After all, tag only edits do not seem to count towards a user's "posts edited" total. — PeterJames 2 mins ago
It's probably a good idea. It'd cut down on suggested edits in general, since a lot of users seem to only do those.
The user who did the suggested edit mentioned in the meta post is one of those. Their suggestions weren't terrible. But a lot of them were just "meh" and nobody would have suffered if those tags were never added.
Oh, I do somewhat like that idea...
or, I dunno, maybe you get 1 rep. They're (in general, didn't look at this) helpful edits, just ... less helpful.
12:23
Yep. Honestly, not a bad plan to do something. Do we have stats on how many suggested edits are tag-only?
I suppose there is SEDE, I'd just prefer to not try and figure out how to identify tag-only edits in SEDE if there is some alternative.
I can't recall ever having seen any, at least.
It's unfortunate, but understandable, that you choose to avoid the edit review queue. The other problem with that queue is that so many edit reviewers simply approve almost every edit no matter how trivial or poor. There is an entire class of users (usernames end in "xWF", no idea what that means) who do nothing on the site except edits to add mostly irrelevant tags, and the majority of their edits are approved by reviewers. — President James K. Polk 59 secs ago
Yes
 
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@RyanM arguably tag edits are more helpful than body edits, in general
since they ostensibly help to classify questions correctly
Eh...would be great if that's how it works. Instead often users just add crap like where they see an array. Or otherwise some very generic tags that a post doesn't require.
Like, not wrong tags. But also not ones that clarify much.
definitely agree we could do a better job at the tag system (and educating users about it)
Another example I saw recently: adding where there were classes.
meanwhile still won't die T_T
I wish I had kept a list of all the tags that had that bug so I could file an exhaustive bug report to get it fixed
I gave an example of a very useful tag edit: changing to on a question for JavaScript. That's a good edit.
14:05
@VLAZ yeah, I wonder whether even should really exist on the site
It makes sense on a site like programmers.SE for sure, but... here? I mean, I guess if you have some functional programming-style code that you need help rewriting in an OOP way?
I can't categorically say no. But I also have real trouble coming up with a good example where it'd be applicable. You know, where you probably won't get a better job of using other tags.
But my inability to think of one doesn't mean there isn't. I've had doubts for other tags but after examining the usage have found some applicable questions.
14:25
so, i turned off my old pc for the first time in years and this office is way too quiet without it
nice
the 2013-era tower?
yea
i'm still on a 2014 mac mini
but it has no fans
Thanks Apple
got a coworker working on getting me a new mac, i'd prefer PC but company resource-wise it makes more sense for me to be on a mac
I'm pretty sure Apple has lots of fans. How else are they still in business otherwise.
14:27
because i need a mac to build for ios, so i have to have one either way
I kinda miss Safari for Windows
it was quirky in a fun way
 
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@TylerH throw on the "not convinced this software-architecture-related tag is a net positive for the site" pile
Sure would!
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Q: Community-a-thon 2024 kicks off on October 18th

SashaTL;DR: Our fifth Community-a-thon will kick off on October 18, 2024 and continue until October 23, 2024. This is an annual event where staff at Stack Overflow are encouraged to participate on the Stack Exchange network. The scale of the event is consistent with last year’s comm-a-thon. What is ...

also, is...not great. I guess it used to be at one point which is also what Microsoft cunningly named their tech. So users tagged it when they actually meant
On another note:
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Q: Stop guessing/auto-detecting a language when you KNOW it will be incorrect

Josh GoebelThe problem: SE asks Highlight.js to autodetect the language when it knows there isn’t any optimal/correct choice for us to make - resulting in very poor outcomes. Disclaimer: I say this as the current Highlight.js maintainer Example: SE currently does not load our groovy grammar. When one add...

 
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@VLAZ I'm not so sure the Java in lieu of Groovy highlighting is a good example, since Groovy is a subset of Java anyway
though I'm rather curious what issues of scale they could face for something like this
@TylerH errr, what? it's definitely not.
Groovy compiles to Java
at least that's what the Wikipedia page says; maybe that's wrong
it compiles to JVM bytecode, yes, but so do lots of things where the source code looks exactly nothing like Java
Does that not mean you can write Java code in Groovy?
If by that you mean "can I write Java code in a Groovy source file and expect it to work?", you can, mostly, but that's because it's mostly a superset of Java, though not exactly.
compiling to JVM bytecode allows it to interoperate easily with Java
18:17
ah, I meant superset, not subset.
(though the degree to which various languages that compile to JVM bytecode interoperate with Java varies)
// import java.util.Collections;
classCollections = createObject( "java", "java.util.Collections" );
// myList = new java.util.ArrayList();
myList = createObject( "java", "java.util.ArrayList" ).init();
ugly
@TylerH Since, Groovy is a scripting language, you can also call it JavaScript. It'd be a great name - a scripting language that interoperates with Java.
@KevinB is that...ColdFusion?
18:34
He loves ColdFusion
unfortunately i don't get to use it much anymore
 
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Q: Timeout on the "Following" page

jpsFor a while now (several weeks) I have a strange problem with the page that lists the followed posts in my profile. When I click on the "Following" button in my profile I often get a timeout: We are currently offline for maintenance. But sometimes I can visit the first page but get a timeout wh...

Fixed in six days?! What madness is this?
21:21
probably was consuming resources from their other business needs

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