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Q: Wrong ordering of Stack Snippets console output

Lionel RoweI noticed what seems to be a pretty bizarre bug with the in-built Stack Snippets console in my answer here: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/77858025/how-to-negate-the-whole-regex/ When I run the sample, I get the following output in the in-built console, seemingly consistently in this order: ...

05:20
@NewPosts I never even considered logging THAT much in a stack snippet. If I make one and the output scrolls, I'm usually looking for ways to reduce it. Even by splitting into more than one snippet. Assuming that makes sense, that is.
 
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Q: Can a priority be added to a question?

DominiqueI've just asked this question about renaming a program. When I wrote that question, I had seen that I could not compile my program, so that looked like an urgent question. My solution, however, is a client/server application and the server side is far more urgent, and while waiting for the soluti...

08:43
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Q: What to do when a problem is solved in the Staging Ground?

dan1stAs the Staging Ground is right around the corner, I think we should make it clear how some things should be reviewed. The reviewer guidelines state: Give guidance, but don’t give the answer However, sometimes the problem is solved while the question is still in the Staging Ground for example by...

09:41
Me: Asks OP to add more code to make a minimal reproducible example.
Community Bot: Please trim your code to make it easier to find your problem. Follow these guidelines to create a minimal reproducible examplehttps://stackoverflow.com/help/minimal-reproducible-example.
OP: Edits and removes some code
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@AbdulAzizBarkat Markdown with multiline chat messages is irritating...
Please add more and also remove some markdown code and/or multiline messages, so we can have a minimal reprehensible existence. Thanks in advantage.
10:11
So, even better onboarding, @dan1st ? :) — Thom A 1 hour ago
It can be better?! I do not believe it. Don't speak of such heresy to me!
/s
Also applicable: /se
10:23
@VLAZ What does /se mean? (I know /s is sarcasm)
SE = Stack Exchange
As in, something SE might say.
So, you /se
:P
I thought of making that joke but decided not to :P
It's a pretty bad joke, TBH. So, it's probably for the best you didn't stain your chat history with it.
 
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15:12
@VLAZ I'm just glad there's no community of farmers intent on making a network site about goats
15:28
@TylerH well...
that's a lot better than having to abbreviate the site with the standard .SE nomenclature...
Zoe
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16:02
@VLAZ I'm sorry, but as a Stack Exchange Large Language Model, I don't understand why it's interesting to write "good" incorrectly. Is this "fun"? If yes, please follow me into the back so you may be assimilated by the Stack Exchange Large Language Model, or DOLPHIN for short.
16:17
@Zoe It's a running joke of misspelling the greeting. One other user in the room greets with "Good moaning". There is also the the "Goat morning". And the "Goat mourning".
I suppose what I'm trying to say is that we all need to be cleansed.
Zoe
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@VLAZ I'm sorry, but as a DOLPHIN model, I'm afraid I can't let you continue doing that, VLAZ.
It's OK. I accept my fate.
Goat buy cruel world!
*disintegrates*
Zoe
Zoe
Wouldn't it be more thematically correct to open the airlock?
Technically yes. But I don't think "decompresses" is as dramatic.
That's only something someone who has never violently decompressed would say
Zoe
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16:25
lmao
Fair
*decompresses in most violent and dramatic fashion*
Zoe
Zoe
Hmmm, I don't buy it. Where's the drama?! The freezing effect as the camera is pulled alongside you, with the red glowing dot staring out into the abyss in the background? Smh my head
*is even more dramatic*
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Q: negative search for stackoverflow.jobs

ti7Does stackoverflow.jobs (Stack Overflow Jobs powered by Indeed) have a negative search feature? The following do not appear to work (and actually increase the frequency of unwanted positions) -keyword !keyword (not keyword)

Zoe
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16:42
@NewPosts I like how stackoverflow.jobs is still accessible outside the US
Zoe
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17:06
Jun 04 10:42:20 nova boson[1347661]: [2024-06-04 10:42:20.744] [room-stackoverflow.com-197325] [info] Connected to room 197325
Jun 04 10:42:19 nova boson[1347661]: [2024-06-04 10:42:19.807] [room-stackoverflow.com-197325] [info] Getting new URL and reconnecting...
Jun 04 10:42:19 nova boson[1347661]: [2024-06-04 10:42:19.806] [room-stackoverflow.com-197325] [warning] Socket closed in room 197325
Jun 04 10:40:12 nova boson[1347661]: [2024-06-04 10:40:12.994] [room-stackoverflow.com-197298] [info] Connected to room 197298
Why are you like this, SE?
Some (but not all) chat sockets die approximately every 70 minutes
Except some times when the interval is 40 minutes
And occasionally, there's both a 40 and a 70
 
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18:11
Staging Ground is launched? I got a popup for it
Zoe
Zoe
Appears so
I got a free badge too
I got two :P
Zoe
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#23 with the guide badge :p
ha, #53 :p
I didn't do much reviewing though
Tanked a couple review_ers_ and posted a FR for comments to be part of the API, but that's it
They've backdated the badges too, nice.
18:28
@Zoe finally, I was wondering when it would do so
Hey and it is showing up in the questions listing!
Nice
neat, i "earned" a badge
Ah, someone probably locked it so it isn't visible now
Guide badge doesn't show up in the profile list of badges to earn
the badges page shows I haven't earned it (although I swear I did at least 10, maybe I did a little less but it felt like 10 because they're so involved, during the beta), but I can't select it or find it as already earned in the profile list of badges to track
but the silver badge for 250 reviews is available
i reviewed 39 during the beta
Zoe
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18:32
And poof, 4 more questions appear
not a single post has been approved to be publishd yet
will the first one be a duplicate
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Q: Is there an "other action" button in staging ground like review queue?

SyndRainJust hopped into the staging ground review queue and saw a non-English post be reviewed and suggested a major change by someone else. I figured I can upvote that suggested major change. However, I'm not sure what should be done next. Should I just click on skip? Or is there an action representing "...

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@AbdulAzizBarkat No repro
Locked posts don't show up
By locked I mean ones that are being reviewed by someone
Zoe
Zoe
stackoverflow.com/staging-ground/78577122 doesn't appear as locked, nor does it appear in the question listing
It's 11 minutes old, so caching is off the table at this point
18:39
@Zoe That seems locked to me
Zoe
Zoe
Weird, doesn't to me
Hmm, why weren't these posts added to SG?
Zoe
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Maybe they just screwed up post types, and it only appears as new over the websocket, and disappears immediately afterwards
Because the throttle caught them
Zoe
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@VLAZ Slow ramp-up? /shrug
18:41
wooo
SG posts are showing up in the question list
Zoe
Zoe
Well, this is stupid
Found a question that's a blatant dupe, it's locked by a reviewer that didn't check for dupes
leave a comment
Zoe
Zoe
just did
But so pointless
Don't leave round comments then. Maybe triangular. They are more pointy.
Zoe
Zoe
I'll take a hexagonal sledge hammer and break the lock
18:45
@Zoe Check this page do you see one of the posts? stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/unity-game-engine
@Zoe Oh, if it's the same review I'm looking at. Where you posted a dupe in the comments. That reviewer is staff.
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@AbdulAzizBarkat Oh, yes, I do indeed
@VLAZ :facedesk:
That's enough SG for me then
lasted a whole 20 minutes without getting annoyed
@AbdulAzizBarkat I do.
that's a feature
though it'd be nice to be able to toggle it off
question is
why did this appear in my home page question list?
it's published
why display it to me if it's published
@KevinB It wasn't there in the beta, I'd requested for them to show up on the questions page with an opt-out if someone wants it
18:48
instead of dispalying the published quesiton
@KevinB Yeah. I'd love to be able to go through only "real" questions. Because mode switching sucks, I'd rather be able to focus on one task at a time. Say, look at a question which is live.
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Q: Reviewers should not require to have asked 2 questions to access to Staging Ground

Thom ATo access the staging ground, you need to have asked at least 2 questions. kylemit commented you have to have asked at least 2 questions to review This does not follow the rules for any of the other review queues, and I am sure there are plenty of SMEs with high reputation and can easily tell i...

@VLAZ If you're open to modifying the search try sg:0
I'm more concerned with my custom filters, since custom filters only do tag search.
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@VLAZ Finally got to close it
Also found out that mods can't see deleted comments
18:51
@KevinB Does the "new" editor for SO submit comments/posts when you hit Enter?
Doesn't seem to be an option:
Hmm, it doesn't work. We have a sg:1 operator but no sg:0 operator.
Zoe
Zoe
I don't see any way that can be abused at all /s
The comment field on the SG does and I hate it
18:53
@NewPosts I missed that this showed up in chat. Well, that's a stupid requirement...
Zoe
Zoe
it does still appear in the mod comment tool at least
Anyway
Back to doing productive stuff. I can watch the SG crash and burn Later:tm:
@NewPosts I've asked 0 questions so far, yet still have access (maybe as beta participant).
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Q: Staging Ground questions that have been "published" shouldn't show up as Staging Ground posts in the question list

Kevin BWhen viewing my question list at / i'm getting this result: There's literally no value in me being directed to a "posted" status staging ground post from the questions list given it's already been approved and posted and any action i may want to take would instead need to occur on the question i...

@TylerH i don't know what you're talking about
or more specifically why you're asking me, lol
You have tried out the new editor a lot I thought
18:59
@AbdulAzizBarkat Probably. The only other explanation is that you've cheated your way into SG, so you can make all those internet unicorn bucks off it.
maybe I mixed you up with another user though
@AbdulAzizBarkat, beta users are still in our people selector to grant immediate access — KyleMit ♦ 32 secs ago
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Q: Home page - 'Staging Ground' question ratio

0stone0When reloading Stack Overflow on my mobile, the newly Staging Ground questions were added to the Home page. From the 7 visible questions, 5 are from the Staging Ground, thats more then 70%. I'm aware this is different on a desktop view, around 4/5 out of 9 (~50%), but: I think the ration should ...

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Q: Staging Ground "Guide" badge missing from profile's badges list

TylerHThe new Staging Ground badge "Guide" does not appear to be selectable or visible at all in the profile's badge picker/tracker UI. I have not earned this badge yet, but it is not appearing when I filter for it: And if I type in "Guide" and filter by "All", there are no results:

So I am going to have access atleast until they remove that or update the conditions
There are no watched/ignored icons on tags in SG.
19:03
i have used the new editor a few times, but i don't recall it ever accidentally posting something from me pressing enter
i tend to avoid the new editor when i can
OK, I was just spot checking a few SG posts. Howe exactly should this one be handled? It's a mess. An image of some code and the code itself is just "I imagined it should work this way". Assigns a variable called webiste and then does...webbrowser.open(website.com) Now, I don't know Python but I don't think adding a random .com to the end of the variable makes it a website.
On the live site, this would be VTC'd as typo almost immediately.
@VLAZ requires major changes, comment as needing an MCVE
What about SG? Should multiple reviewers check it and ask for a code block only to then have to explain that's not really a real problem?
Sure, that's how a multi-tiered review system is designed to work. If you are not sure you can always skip, and/or if you know Python and know it is a typo issue (like the fact they forgot to quote the variable), then you can focus on that instead.
it should just be downv... oh wait
19:12
@TylerH I understand that at some level SG is a stopgap for questions so they don't hit the main Q&A. But surely SE have a better plan than "let reviewers try to fight the myriad of nonsense updates that this question would get and nothing short of a different question would be fit for the site"
But any question about code not working ostensibly must first include an MCVE before we can reliably determine whether the issue is a typo or something else
is it about code not working tho?
@TylerH No, I'm not not sure what to do. I'm not sure what SE's plan for these questions is.
@VLAZ I think you may have misread my comment?
at this point the question has no code, so,
it's unclear
we have a close reason for that
19:13
I said if you are not sure you can always skip, then I said what (I think) SO's vision is.
@TylerH I can tell from the screenshot that it'd be a waste of time to provide an MCVE. But your suggestion aligns with my understanding that reviewers are supposed to play a stupid song and dance and waste everybody's time. The "problem" isn't for the main Q&A.
stackoverflow.com/staging-ground/78577238 was published with a rubbish title
I don't know Python, but I am guessing as a programmer based on the error that the user needs to put website.com in quotes, since it is interpreting the .com part of the value as a property rather than a string literal. However, I also know that the question is lacking an MCVE. I always give "needs MCVE" precedence over "this is a typo" or "unclear what you're asking", unless I know the language/the error for sure.
wait
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It's almost like dumping reviewers in with no guidance is a bad thing. Gee, where have I heard that before?
19:15
was it published?
the review list said it was published
but clicking into it it doesn't look published.
@KevinB No, it is still listed as In Review
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@KevinB According to the revision history, it was approved and then moments later got a minor edit instead
@KevinB what page are you on where you see it as reviewed
@TylerH website is a variable. Doesn't need to be quoted. The code isn't trying to open "website.com", it's trying to open the URL stored in the variable website
At best this is a dupe for concatenating strings in Python. But even then, it's a dupe I'd del-pls as not useful to exist.
19:17
@VLAZ website may be intended to be a variable but how does Python know a variable is declared? There's no str or const or var or anything before website on the line above? And no @ or $ or anything preceding website in the parentheses
you just assign the variables, AFAIK. Again, not really into Python but from the Python code I've seen, you don't declare them.
also, does Python allow for extending string variables without any type of concatenation symbol like + or +=? Why is OP trying to do it that way? And why is OP not just putting the .com in the variable declaration?
@VLAZ I think vote as off-topic probably has typo as one of the reasons.
All of this I think (hope) would be clarified either for us or more likely for OP if they attempted to create an MCVE, for what it's worth...
a large part of the requirement for an MCVE is that much of the time OP is able to solve their own problem in the process of creating one
@TylerH This is my grievance - there is no MCVE that would save the question. So, reviewers (for likely more than one would look at this) need to come in, waste their time. Then the OP has to waste time making an MCVE. Then reviewers have to re-review and conclude the problem is a typo.
19:20
@KevinB it's not published yet you can override the minor changes with a major change review of your own or edit it.
@VLAZ So your argument I guess is that if you're not an SME in a given question that appears in review, you should skip it? Even if you can see there are problems with the question
OP created a variable, wants to use it. Probably tries to add a ".com" to the end of it. Which is, again, at best asking "how do I concatenate strings". But even then it's not a useful duplicate for such a question because it's not asking how to concatenate strings but rather "why does slapping random .com at the end of a variable doesn't add the string ".com" to the end of the value but instead shows errors"
but it shoudln't say approved and published if it isn't approved and published
on the way to being published is something else
@TylerH No, it is not an argument. It's an observation that SG is fundamentally broken for questions such as the one I showed.
Or maybe not "broken". Just "not useful". "Time wasting".
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Why does the SG even let me pick an option from the sidebar if the post is locked?
19:25
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Q: The "Review History" of the staging ground seems a bit inconsistent

Kevin BWhen viewing the review history, it showed me this list: however, the 2nd item there isn't actually approved as of this writing: https://stackoverflow.com/staging-ground/78577238 It caught my eye because the title is terrible.

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Q: Staging Ground editor doesn't have Stack Snippets

wizzwizz4The Stack Snippet icon in the Staging Ground editor inserts a code block instead.

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Why, only after two clicks, am I informed that the post is locked?
@NewPosts hahaha
yea, the new editor still doesn't support stack snippets
it never has
the footwork to add support was done years ago
@AbdulAzizBarkat It seems too fundamental a problem to be a typo, in my opinion. What is needed is more clarity from OP on what they are trying to do, exactly, and why they attempted to do it that way. A typo problem is something that, if they tried to do the same thing again, just a bit more carefully, they would not end up with the error. Bear in mind typo does not mean "lacks minimal understanding"
@Zoe they can't possibly tell you before you spend effort trying to do something that someone else has already done so...
Let's examine the workflow which I believe is time **not** well-spent:
1. Asker posts a question which is unclear and has image of code.
2. Reviewers visit, look at it, say it needs MCVE.
3. Asker updates with code.
4. Reviewers re-review find that the code block is not quite sufficient to make it a useful question. Ask for more explanation.
5. Asker updates with more information. 4. and 5. can repeat. But let's continue as if there is nothing more for the asker to clarify.
6. The question, at this point, is either closeable as a typo or a *really bad* candidate for a duplicate.
yeah... don't abuse the typo reason for not typos
it's for typos
don't ruin a good close reason
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19:27
@TylerH It's not even something someone else has already done; it's often completely different actions than what has been done
We don't really need the steps before 6. The question is already at this stage. The asking for MCVE/Clarification/etc are not worth anybody's time here.
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If it was just "we didn't have time to implement a websocket to avoid double work", fine; but the lock is complete, so I can't close as a dupe while someone else is commenting, and I'm not informed until after I've clicked dupe -> submit
The most you get is for the asker to never come back. Which saves time overall. But if the asker comes back and tries to comply with requests to updte the question, maybe provide code, maybe actually spell out what they need. That won't get anywhere.
@VLAZ We can't know steps 1 through 5 will occur the way they do until they occur... and OP has a right, until blocked, to ask a question. If it's a bad candidate for a duplicate, it'll get closed before being answered and will Roomba because it has downvotes. And next time OP asks a question, they'll hopefully have a better time, because they received engagement on their last question and learned what to do/not to do.
It's just as likely that the scenario occurs and the question is not a typo or a bad candidate for a duplicate, making steps 1 through 5 useful and necessary
(OK, maybe not just as likely, but likely enough)
But as I said before, if you're an SME in the language/tool, you could ideally skip steps 1 through 5 and just tell them it is a typo or a duplicate and save other reviewers (and the asker) from going through steps 1 through 5
So, what? Vote for duplicate, wait for it to get posted on the main site, del-pls it as not a useful duplicate? Or bring up a "major changes needed" and hope OP doesn't come back so the question cleans up by itself?
19:35
well if you're an SME hopefully that also means a gold badge, or it means others reviewing can pick up on your vote and review the same way. Such actions should not result in it getting posting to the main site. Close votes in the queue close the question, before it gets posted.
@KevinB yeah, you can't even manually add the markdown for them. Great...
@VLAZ I've looked at it now, yeah if we have a duplicate target on string concatenation that sounds like the simplest way to go. (Speaking as an SME on Python)
Duplicates aren't published by the way atleast with the current workflow.
@AbdulAzizBarkat I searched for "append to string python site:stackoverflow.com" and found three results but neither seems to be a good and simple "use str += "word"" or similar. At least at a glance. I left a comment outlining the issue. Hopefully, there is a good dupe target that somebody finds. I really hate that I even had to spend time on this.
Why are the closure off-topic reasons in a random order?
Compared to the close dialog, I mean
Actually, I guess it's a mix of both the standard closure and the community closure reasons. With also some missing.
19:54
@VLAZ I voted to close as duplicate, currently on phone so didn't review before😅
@VLAZ yes, certain reasons aren't there like needs debugging details, etc. since that should instead be a major changes review
Also closure is somewhat easier with only two reviewers needed
Very useful review comment by the question asker.
Wait, wasn't the SG for users under 500 rep? This question is posted by a user with 1k rep and they already have 3 questions posted.
For context, the Staging Ground architecture doesn't currently support someone qualifying as both a reviewer and an asker (and it would be considerable work to make it so). For most users this doesn't matter: most users have either few enough questions to qualify as an asker & <500 rep, or sufficient questions & >500 rep. But in that middle ground, we had to make a decision one way or the other. (There are also some exceptions in the logic here.) It's not impossible to change. I'll bring this up with the team. — Slate ♦ 1 hour ago
Certainly sounds like they should qualify as reviewer, therefore, can't be an asker.
@VLAZ no, it has the same criteria as the ask wizard
Which is 2/3 (I don't remember the exact number) "successful" questions until you don't go to ask wizard.
Three questions, all open, the scores are +1, +1, +51.
+51, phew
What? How did they end up in SG then?
20:08
@AbdulAzizBarkat Yeah, my question exactly.
> How do you count the number of flip flops created in an always_ff statement?
> The question you're asking appears subjective and is likely to be closed
@AbdulAzizBarkat I probably will get put in the SG for my next question, given my curation activity constantly attracts revenge downvotes on my questions
wow. thanks editor interface. I don't think that's helpful.
I'll check later if they are a beta participant, we had a special link to ask in SG
No, I don't see them in Stack Overflow teams
Kinda feel like there should also be an 'add a downvote when question is posted to SO' option on the reviewer interface
I mean, it's only fair
20:17
Question gets posted, immediately gets to -50 from all the pending downvotes.
@VLAZ just to help off-set that one with a score of 51
Ah, so from what I understand the Ask Wizard is like a gateway into SG, there's a chance if you use the ask wizard for your question to go to the SG
So it might be that they simply didn't opt out of the Ask Wizard
@TylerH kind of on board with this, but would prefer if it wasn't automatic and required seeing the published rev. what if they fixed some issue you had before publishing?
stackoverflow.com/staging-ground/… sigh. any time you make people have to type something, some portion of them will just paste the prompt into the input. not a new problem. a dumb one to see again in a new place.
@AbdulAzizBarkat But Slate's comment I posted above claims that you can't really be an asker if you can also be a reviewer. The two are mutually exclusive.
@starball The system should instantly queue up a downvote when they do that.
actually, continuing on my above comment, it might be my fault. I tried to do something the UX isn't currently designed to allow- which is leave a review that gives the asker the option to do something before publishing, or just publish.
20:27
I hate that you can't simply sort by age. But only by last activity.
@starball Isn't that exactly what 'conditionally approve with edit' does?
@VLAZ that doesn't seem fair either. when I make non-minor edits, I typically don't put in the effort to write an edit summary. I just have that luxury because I have full edit privs
@starball Well, it wasn't supposed to be serious...
@TylerH not quite? I wanted them to have the option to do nothing. but I don't think the UX supports that.
Not really, that is what they think they've done by adding the "asked 2 questions" requirement. They might intend that but that's not how it seems to be implemented. Can be considered a bug I guess. The timeline does checkout though they used the Ask Wizard: stackoverflow.com/posts/78577214/…
20:28
@VLAZ I couldn't tell.
@starball I take it that it wasn't outlandish enough. I'll try to be less credible in the future.
@starball well, maybe not exactly that, but 'make literally edit you want' is effectively the same given it's such a low bar
not sure it should even really be an option
@VLAZ tanks in advance
@TylerH I'm not too too familiar with edit mechanics. does the minimal character change limit apply to one's own posts?
@starball no I don't think so
otherwise they wouldn't be able to fix things like typos
@starball o7
20:35
also... I don't want to accidentally encourage dumb self-edits just for the sake of editing.
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Q: Allow sorting of questions in the Staging Ground by creation date

VLAZAt the moment, the only available sorting for questions is either by status or by last activity. However, neither is stable enough so that on refresh you get (mostly) the same items. This makes it hard to look through items in a consistent manner. For example, I might want to check the newly add...

yoooo nice to see yaakov reviewing :)
*automatically queues up an upvote for Yaakov. And also 1 bajillion dollars*
^comment-threads: am I a joke to you?
Hmm, what's the plan for handling spam which would show up in SG?
20:49
@VLAZ what's wrong with spam flagging?
Oh, the flag button is under the post...
All the other actions are put on the side, so that's where I was searching for it.
welp, not the first place this UX confusion has existed. review queues are like that too, no?
or are they worse?
I can't flag from the CV queue. Just checked.
flagging from the review queues has been broken almost as long as the audit system has been broken (greyed out audits)
so, 6+ months
Also no flags in LQA. The closest option is delete.
20:52
voting on comments is also broken for probably the same reason, whatever that is
@TylerH amazeballs
what a time to be alive
but hey, at least we got SG re-added without stack snippet support 💀
and bold tags!
or syntax highlighting
There is a flag button under the post in First Questions. But there is also a close button there.
that was something people asked for, surely
20:53
or does syntax highlighting work on SG now?
@starball it works now, at least somewhat stackoverflow.com/staging-ground/78577650
not sure if it's correct
Triage has Flag on the right side with the other options.
@VLAZ cool. I don't do triage queue.
Well, I don't do most of the queues.
Suggested Edits is my favourite. But SE decided that high contrast dark mode shouldn't show useful information when you view the markdown diff. So, I can't effectively review suggested edits any more.
going back on the dv after publish discussion, the semi-dumb thing is that in the discussion on rep incentives system for "good" reviewing, to decentivize publishing stuff that isn't ready for publishing, there was talk of rep penalty to the reviewer who published. but what if I was the publishing reviewer, and I think the question is ready to publish, but I just don't like it?
@VLAZ you don't plan to userstyle a fix?
21:05
I'm not. There are things that piss me off enough that I'd fix them. And things that really piss me off that I think I'm doing SE a disservice by not complaining at every opportunity I have.
I'm probably going to post about it eventually in the "abandoned projects" Q&A on MSE. How the big colours update is yet another thing SE started and abandoned.
No, they're still doing the big colors update
High-contrast dark mode, though, that's abandoned
Or perhaps renamed to "highly-varying-contrast dark mode"
@RyanM If you mean the tags - I'm not really counting that. I mean all the other feedback on the colours update which also isn't actioned. Things that should have been addressed, ideally within weeks.
That's being generous.
Ideally, they shouldn't have had as much feedback to begin with.
^ that was one of the feedback, BTW. The colour (or lack of) is still the same nowadays.
why is your icon on a white background, for me it's on a black background
that seems so arbitrary
Us high contrast peasants are not worthy of getting actual red or green. Just washed off.
@KevinB My avatar technically has transparent background. However, resized versions (at least on Imgur) would drop the transparency.
i mean, your icon here is resized
Zoe
Zoe
21:20
Use light mode, problem solved /s
Wait, there was actually more. There is a white background behind, as well. I had a userstyle that removed the background behind transparent avatars. The screenshot is with all userstyles and userscripts off, though
I managed to force the avatar in transparent mode with some URL hack*
*erm, documented Imgur parameter more like.
Here is how it looks like with the fixes
@VLAZ No longer required since SE's new image host now supports transparency in resizing images (Imgur didn't).
Well, it's still transparent. But also they still haven't removed the background behind the avatar image...
Zoe
Zoe
wtf
@VLAZ This image embeds in chat, but loading it externally yields "oh no, that request didn't look right"
21:26
(In dark mode --black is actually white. And --white is black. They inverted the colours they used)
@Zoe Erm, weird. I guess more hotlinking protection? I embedded it by clicking Upload and then pasting an imgur URL. My screenshot software can upload to Imgur, so it's the shortest way to post to chat.
Let me try the longer way
Zoe
Zoe
@VLAZ This loads fine externally
I uploaded it through the main site.
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Q: What's the actual criterion for questions to enter the Staging Ground?

dan1stIn the Staging Ground return post, we were told that the Staging Ground would get questions from first-time askers. However, I saw a few questions from users who asked other questions before (example here - this user asked 3 questions before, none of them being closed or with a negative score at ...

21:42
@TylerH Is there a post that needs to be status-reviewed for this?
Those are related but not for flagging, it looks like
It looks like at least a mod can flag from, say, First Questions, but the option does not appear in Close Votes
but mods are sometimes a weird case so I don't necessarily want to assume we have the same experience as everyone
22:19
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Q: Allow excluding/including/only having Staging Ground posts in a Custom filter

VLAZCurrently, posts that are in the Staging Ground and not graduated yet are shown on the site in all regular lists of questions. This includes custom filters. However, I have custom filters where I wish to only check questions. I do not want to do a mode switch between SG items and regular question...

22:49
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Q: How can I opt out staging ground questions being watched?

πάντα ῥεῖJust as the title says, may be a dupe I didn't notice. At my specifically watched tags (c++) I don't want to see questions, which didn't make it through that stage.

23:36
stackoverflow.com/staging-ground/… so they clearly saw I suggested a change, recognized that the change still hadn't happened, added a comment to that effect, and then published the SG item? the heck?
23:48
@RyanM meta.stackoverflow.com/a/297680/11107541 doesn't seem to cover error/warning messages / tooling diagnostics. or am I just blind? what's the guidance on that?
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Q: Editing staging ground questions is quite inconvenient

πάντα ῥεῖWhen editing staging-ground questions I noticed that the editor appears in a sub window, which makes it quite inconvenient to propose edits. Not only it's hard to keep track of the current cursor position, but also you don't see a reasonable preview of your edits. Related: Markdown preview and sn...

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Q: Identify Staging Ground questions with a specific CSS class

PhilFor some reason, Staging Ground posts are appearing on question list pages, including the home page. Could the question <div> tags please be classed appropriately so they can be hidden / styled? Something like s-post-summary__sg. Right now they look like this <div id="question-summary-xxxxx" ...

why the sudden flood of SG related posts on Meta?
@KarlKnechtel dunno. maybe it's a snowball. people see SG on meta, realize they can now try out SG, try SG, find papercut, post on meta.
I just tried SG again today for the first time since last beta. and it was just on a whim to go check it out again.
Didn't it just open up?
@RyanM beats me. I haven't been checking (until today).
23:57
@starball It's not there and it probably should be, but it is in the close reason:
That said, uh, those errors are ... fairly German
meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/430404 ah, they announced a week ago, but it only just actually went live
@RyanM would you mind changing that "probably should be" to an "it is now"? :)

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