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Q: How do you plan on tackling chatGPT answers?

EugenSunicI've came back to Stackoverflow to test out chatGPT, the openAI community has built something insane. I literally copy and pasted the SO input questions to the platform input and it gave me the result in less than 2 seconds with extremely proficient explanation (code + code explanation) The crazi...

 
 
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6:07 AM
@NewPosts I have to say, I'm thoroughly confused by the logic in Dharman's answer to this. The text of the link is an answer but there being a link that contains additional information makes it not an answer? I really fail to understand how that makes sense. (I'd leave a comment on the meta answer but there's several comments already expressing this confusion).
 
 
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7:31 AM
Which is not to say that I think such answers shouldn't be deleted. I'd be perfectly happy with a policy that says "single line answers without a more detailed explanation are subject to mod deletion" or something like that. But that's not the current policy anywhere as far as I can tell.
 
I think the gist was "actually it's just the title of the article and doesn't, on further reflection, actually explain what to do in any meaningful sense"
 
Doesn't the "actually explain what to do in a meaningful sense" apply to the other answer on the question as well? They both give pretty much the same amount of information it looks like.
One thing that seems odd here is that this is inviting NAA flags on answers because the text of the answer is inside a link. Is that something y'all want NAA flags on? There's not exactly a shortage of such answers out there.
 
7:49 AM
The non-deleted answer tells you to change a specific, named option and tells you where the option is.
The deleted answer tells you neither the name nor where it is.
 
8:10 AM
I suppose. It seems like quite a stretch to me honestly, and it's like making a call on the quality of the answer, rather than whether it's actually an answer or not.
It's a partial answer, incomplete, not very good, etc. I still can't make out how it's not an answer though.
 
 
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10:22 AM
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Q: Downvoting question that isn’t closed

petersI posted this question. It wasn’t closed and it got a great answer in response. However, it was downvoted. I generally prefer a good reception to my questions. I read the main reason to downvote on Stack Overflow is “doesn’t show enough research effort”, “is not clear”, or “is not useful”. But it...

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Q: How to contact author of deleted question

petern0691I refer to the question Sort algorithm to create a polygon from points with only right angle. I believe I have a solution to this question. Is it possible to contact the author to find out if they are still interested?

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Q: I asked a question which showed my attempt, got 3 downvotes and now I can't ask anymore questions

AcuriousmindI am new to go. I opened this question yesterday: How to implement struct specific behaviour when instanciating an interface which showed my attempt and what I was trying to achieve. I appreciate it was a duplicate, and it was closed as such, but I was downvoted 3 times for it and now I can't ask...

 
 
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12:43 PM
>You are just a spammer.
because I argued that a question should be closed.
That is, incidentally, from a 9-year user of the site with 6-digit reputation.
 
Unfortunately, not really an isolated incident.
 
I struggle to imagine how one gets to "spammer" of all insults, though.
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Maybe you should take the opportunity to get them to buy some rolexes. You have their attention anyway.
 
1:48 PM
I've noticed it's extremely common that questions in have nothing to do with design patterns: stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/design-patterns
instead, they're questions about how to display patterned data in the terminal, following some algorithm to generate the pattern.
Can we do something about that?
 
@KarlKnechtel Also quite common to pair with .
 
It's not entirely clear to me that the tag is particularly valuable; but I guess we have to keep it as long as we're tolerating overlap with cs.se
@VLAZ ? I don't see many such questions stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/design-patterns+regex
 
@KarlKnechtel They get cleaned up pretty fast. Either by somebody untagging design patterns or by the regex question just being deleted for being yet another entry in the pile of crap.
 
oh, this is "impressive" tho stackoverflow.com/questions/70620332/…
mistagged twice, unclear, probably a duplicate if clarified... and upvoted and answered
 
Also popular combo . Other completely irrelevant but frequently paired items are other tags with pattern or regex/regular expression in the name. Even if it's about extremely specific regex engine.
 
1:52 PM
oh, no, wait. Apparently "grok" really is being used here as the framework name
 
As a further example of "users don't read" is the tag which is some algorithm. But gets used for "Data Structures and Algorithms". Especially when the user has a question about a data structure or an algorithm but not both.
 
but yeah, we really need to figure out a coherent expression of exactly what's wrong with the crap regex questions, and of what's an acceptable regex question. My feeling is that a lot of good regex questions will still turn stomachs of people in the tag, because they'll be even more basic than what gets asked most of the time
like my intuition here is that the underlying problem is that regex questions tend to treat the site as a code-writing service - they're basically "how do I use regex techniques (TM) to solve my idiosyncratic problem"
 
The main thing wrong is that they are asked by completely clueless users who haven't even done a basic tutorial. The second thing wrong is that they keep being answered.
 
but the good questions are "what is the technique (TM) for something"
which, yes, would overlap a lot with tutorials
but it's hard to ask a regex question in a way that isn't either a) pls gib regex for my specific need; or b) a debugging question
and we all know how terrible those are on average.
 
There are many questions like "how do I match four digits. I have \d" or "How do I match digits and letters and commas. I have [a-z0-9]"
 
1:57 PM
mm
you know, that sounds really familiar
like a bunch of times that I've complained trying to close questions where, as I put it, OP has already demonstrated the knowledge needed to solve the problem, and has either made a simple error in logic, refused to think, etc.
 
The first one is one I've seen. I'm going off memory, rather than quoting but it is representative. The second one I made up but from many similar questions.
 
I'm not at all doubting you
but there seem to be a lot of people - including mods - who don't think that's a reason for close votes
 
At any rate, for misusing tags because they kind of sort of are similar to what you're asking (maybe just a subsequence matches): I really don't know what to do about those. I've been thinking of having a system that question tags for problematic pairings. E.g., + when the user only means one of those. Some combinations are more prone to false positives than others but they could still be examined by a real person.
Also, I'm not really sure what shape such a system would take. Could just be a bot that posts things in a room. Could be something more like Smokey where reports are put up somewhere. Could also be just a thing on the page which highlights potentially problematic posts.
Or others.
I've been sort of using site functionality for that but it's becoming very limited. I add very frequently tags to ignored. Then seeing a post immediately makes it obvious that it may need attention. But it only works for one tag at a time. Also, SE gutted the ignored display, so it's much harder to notice these questions quickly.
I can restore it but I'm seriously pissed off I have to do this.
I also used custom filters for frequent tag combos that need reviews. E.g., the Java + JS. Or + which usually needs to be retagged to . But then SE gutted the new question display in custom filters, as well. So it's a serious chore seeing which questions to review. I just gave up.
Site tools are proving too unreliable. Perhaps the most reliable thing on-site might be the RSS feeds. So you set up a feed for a given tag or tag combo or something. Then you can process the items further programmatically.
But I've not really played around with the RSS feeds enough, either.
 
2:15 PM
@VLAZ you could post a FR for a solution similar to how we handled IDEs
 
Which is?
 
trying to find it
... never mind
The IDE tag warnings were associated with only one tag
 
The things is that after I started specifically looking at these tag combinations - there are a lot more valid questions than I expected. Well "valid" might be coming off too strong but they aren't about one or the other. Many questions are broad or unclear or otherwise not good. But they do have JS and Java.
 
There was a different feature request that wanted to deal with tag combinations, which was shot down as "not having enough value"
 
There is also a warning for [regex] (to also tag a language) and I think [sql] (to tag a flavour).
 
2:20 PM
My search fu is failing me on the tag combination one
It was a very specific question though
 
I believe you.
 
Sounds like something that would be suggested and would be also shot down.
 
The wording matters because it could open for more examples of useful applications that puts it back in status-review
 
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Q: Should I close this question and ask a different one somewhere else?

DeltaIVI asked this question (let's call it A): tmux 2.6: why does copying mouse-selected text to macOS clipboard work in iTerm but not in Warp and VS Code? A user made this interesting comment: tmux doesn't know anything about terminal emulators; it only knows about terminal features. Moving data from...

 
2:22 PM
> That said, if there's a broader argument for this feature to exist, involving multiple requests or use cases for tag combination warnings / blocks, I'd say that would make for a solid feature request of its own merit
 
I'll try to post something later, then.
For the record, I expect disappointment.
haha, you think posters read tag wikis! — Barmar Sep 27 at 18:17
^ that's too true.
 
 
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3:33 PM
I feel like this would be partially mitigated by using a separate SE site per programming language
 
3:48 PM
It's infinite regression.
Those sites will have other problems of the same nature but just won't have the cross-language tagging problems.
We then split off on per sub-language site - for each library.
Which has the same problem.
Then we get to one language per tag.
Damn, I meant "one site per tag"
 
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Q: Questions of tag pytorch are going to the torch tag

MercuryThere are two tags: pytorch: PyTorch the widely used python machine learning / deep learning framework. torch: Torch7, the LuaJIT ML/DL framework, which can be considered dead at present. (It hasn't had any development since 2019, and has no active community.) The ambiguity comes from the fact ...

 
...speaking of wrong tags
 
4:12 PM
> I generally prefer a good reception to my questions.
 
4:34 PM
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Q: Upgrade doctrine/doctrine-migrations-bundle to ^3.0

YariI am trying to install a php library that uses doctrine/doctrine-migrations-bundle. The current version in repo is 2.1 need to update it, to ^3.0. I am running composer update doctrine/doctrine-migrations-bundle:^3.0.0 --ignore-platform-reqs and seeing this Problem 1 - Root composer.json requ...

 
 
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6:40 PM
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Q: Is it possible to delete question permanently?

KonradEveryone with rep > 10 can see deleted questions https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/337016/5089567 Is it possible to delete a question so that it can't be seen by anyone even the post author? I see that edits can be deleted https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/284114/5089567 but can entire questions be...

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Q: Is it OK to reuse the same image on multiple answers?

General GrievanceHere are the posts: https://stackoverflow.com/a/74637625/ https://stackoverflow.com/a/74615350/ https://stackoverflow.com/a/74490727/ https://stackoverflow.com/a/74450165/ https://stackoverflow.com/a/74615758/ I'm mostly asking about the Flappy Bird image, but the code blocks that supposedly ha...

 
 
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8:12 PM
@NewPosts Do we really need a [delete] tag?
 
Sigh
Konrad also made [adventofcode]
oh god, this is gonna end up with me having to review all their edits, isn't it?
No. Fortunately
 
Okay. Then I'm just going to swap out the tag for the existing one...
It'd be nice if there were just a bit more process around tag creation. =/
 
wat
 
What's the difference between and ?
 
inbox is local to a given site, global inbox is that annoying place you get sent when you click the red dot too soon
 
8:26 PM
@HenryEcker Yeahh, the only way out of this is mod tools
 
@KevinB Hmmmm. If that's the case then that's been used wrong at lot on MSO. It also doesn't match the description on MSE global-inbox which the one on MSO was based on.
 
not at all surprised
also, effectively all inboxes on the site are "global"
you don't only see SO notifications in your inbox on SO
they can probably be merged
 
Yeah. I can't find any questions on MSO where global-inbox was used to describe the "full inbox" (as named in the link at the bottom of the new inbox).
The inbox improvements announcement on MSE uses the [global-inbox] tag so I would just retag the 3 [inbox] questions with [global-inbox] unless there's an objection.
 
9:10 PM
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Q: Can you add a Mastodon profile to your StackOverflow profile whilst keeping your website link?

Pervez ChoudhuryI would like to verify my StackOverflow profile from my Mastodon profile. I can achieve this by replacing my website url with my Mastodon URL, but this would mean that my website would not be directly linked to from my StackOverflow profile. Would it be possible to allow linking to a Mastodon pro...

 
9:40 PM
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Q: Is stack overflow the appropriate place to discuss algorithms and their efficiency in terms of big-o notation?

Larry FreemanI was surprised when a recent question that I asked was voted to close because stack overflow is not the appropriate place. The person cited this criteria: Seeking recommendations for books, tools, software libraries, and more 1 This question is likely to lead to opinion-based answers. I am loo...

 
 
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11:14 PM
Today in "what on earth is the site search thinking?!": stackoverflow.com/…
 
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Q: Whether recommend solutions can be ask on stackoverflow?

lustreI have a design of my requirement software as below. but I don't know which javascript/css libraries I should use to implement it, or any solutions recommend. whether my question can be asked on stackoverflow? or where to be ask on stack exchange?

 

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