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Q: Someone deleted my question that doesn't know what they are doing. I shouldn't have to repeat myself multiple times

Jon Kravetz I have a question about my Stack Overflow post: UseSelector is not being updated after dispatch with state change (reduxjs/toolkit) Whoever downvoted and deleted my question has no idea what they are talking about. I'm using reduxjs/toolkit which has immer built in. I'm not mutating the state....

 
2:49 AM
@VLAZ What a coincidence. I don't like Stack Snippets as a tool.
 
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Q: How many new users start off asking good questions?

NullPointerExceptionAsking a good question on SO can be tough, especially for new members. How many users' first questions are currently not closed and have at least one upvote? If you used the Stack Exchange Data Explorer or some other method, I'd enjoy learning how you got the number too.

 
 
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4:31 AM
Is it normal that 90% or so of the results disappear when sorting by "Frequent"? Also, what exactly is the criterion there? Number of times viewed, or just what?
It doesn't appear to be by total view count. (Can I actually sort that way?)
 
@KarlKnechtel it counts how many times it's linked from other posts. No, there's no built-in sort by view (it was declined)
 
thank you. I think this name is not very descriptive, honestly
 
It's literally "frequently asked questions"
You're just confused because, most of the time, frequently asked questions are not frequently asked, only should be frequently asked.
 
heh :)
 
frequently asked linked questions
 
4:41 AM
Well... the idea is is that, because of the duplicate feature, the ones that are linked frequently are going to be the ones that are asked frequently.
A comment on the question you linked says as much, perhaps more clearly than I did.
 
 
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Q: Thank you to every person who take their time to respond/answer our questions?

ElradsoldierSeeing so many questions asked nearly every minutes if not every 10 seconds, I wanted to thank all the persons who take the time to actually give our numerous requests some attention and try to give us answers or responses to ours problems in order to help us improve ourselves whatever the field....

 
@NewPosts this is very sweet but also not a question
 
6:09 AM
It's hard to believe it's even a Meta question when it doesn't complain about downvotes.
 
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Q: What do to with newly created tags that refer to class names or method titles?

blackgreenRecently I've been buzzing around the 10k tools > Stats > New tags section in order to intercept tags in need of curation as they are created. (Examples of what I'm doing: 1, 2). It was asked before What to do about tags for classes and methods? but this question refers to curation of established...

 
6:50 AM
@NewPosts May I suggest...fire?
I'm not really fond of questions about methods, classes, properties
Some may have merit, I suppose. But I am pretty sure most don't.
 
Yeah, don't ask any questions about methods, classes, or properties. Also avoid questions about functions and variables, just to be safe.
 
7:09 AM
Uh, why isn't there a NAQ flag? When a question is posted and doesn't contain a question. And I'm not being pedantic with "no question mark" - when it's literally somebody sharing a solution.
 
Custom reason/needs details or clarity IMO
 
There were already 2 needs details votes, I added the third.
Perhaps a custom reason would be a bit better but meh. I already wrote a comment that questions are supposed to be questions and solutions are not questions.
 
Unfortunately what we really want is "close until the OP adds a self-answer"
which they can't do while it's closed.
 
I mean, they shouldn't be adding an answer unless there is a proper question to be answered.
node_modules or .env file are not hiding right after you mention its name to the .gitignore file? this is the one I encountered. And the title is sort of a question. Which the question body attempts to answer. But it's not really a question. I assume it's actually talking about why aren't these hidden in some editor. Because files don't just "hide" otherwise.
Well, they could be hidden if you look at git status but without a git repository, you'd be getting an error on that, rather than a list of files.
 
@VLAZ ...yeah, okay, that...doesn't really need to exist, that's not a good explanation of anything.
 
7:58 AM
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Q: Can I upload videos when I upload posts in Stack Overflow?

Kevin YangI would like to upload a recorded video about the my problem coding when I upload the question post. How do I upload an video in this post? Should I upload the video to another site and bring its link?

 
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Q: Congratulations! You've earned -> User did not earn this badge

F. HauriI'm curious to know what happened with my curious badge. I've received a Congratulations!: But once clicked on Learn more, I read ``F. Hauri ... did not earn this badge. '': ???

 
8:35 AM
@VLAZ a solution to what? Does it say in the post what is being solved? Is there any way to factor a question out of that?
because the extremely heavy-handed approach is: cut the solution part, paste to a new answer, make it community wiki, and leave a comment on the question pointing to stackoverflow.com/help/self-answer
 
8:54 AM
@KarlKnechtel A "what" is very apt indeed. Something is showing files instead of not showing them. What that is, is a mystery. I can make a guess that it's VS Code or perhaps WebStorm. Two very common editors where the feature of "hide files which are in .gitignore" makes sense. However, I don't know which one it is. If either.
The only way to fix the question is for me to try and figure out an editor where this happens and then also completely re-write the entirety of the question so it's understandable. And then probably at least partially re-write the answer.
At which point, I've basically done the entire Q&A by myself.
Also, even if I would do all that, there is a chance the question is a dupe.
Heck, part of the explanation OP puts forward is that .gitignore applies to Git, not to other stuff. Which is most definitely a dupe. As well as fairly self-evident based on the names.
 
9:19 AM
that 100% sounds like "unclear", then
 
9:58 AM
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Q: Why do I see a message

sadfdasfsdayou see this message, then your question was automatically blocked by the server. All new questions are subjected to a "minimum quality" filter that checks for some basic indicators of a good, complete question. Check to make sure that your question has the following:

 
The irony that this question got through the quality filter, when what ever the OP actually wants to ask didn't... 😞 And worse for the OP, they now need to wait 35~ minutes before they can actually try to ask again. — Larnu 56 secs ago
Also the irony of the user name just being button mashing.
Or maybe not ironic but it's still funny given the context
 
I'm almost sorry for migrating that to Meta.
I'm not, but I almost am.
I was about to R/A nuke it before figuring out what on earth it was trying to convey...thanks to the person who flagged it with "Probably better on meta, but still not good enough for there either."
 
Should I custom-mod-flag people who habitually FGITW on garbage questions? Can I do anything else about it?
 
I think recently there was a user posting snippet from the Help Center, at least I remember 2 (including this one)
 
10:14 AM
@AndrewT. ...oh, so I should have R/A nuked it?
 
@RyanM I can't recommend anything yet, I don't have the full story...
That said, the title of the question is also part of the title from the help center, so I don't think the user is really asking why...
Another comment I posted before:
... hey, it's the same article!
 
10:43 AM
@KarlKnechtel While I'm really not a fan of people who definitely know a duplicate exists simply answering, I'm not really sure a modflag is justified. But maybe an actual mod can answer that.
 
I'm more worried about FGITWers trying to read the minds of people asking horribly unclear questions, or sending the codez to those who plz for it
 
@KarlKnechtel mods are unlikely to be able to do anything about that apart from helping to get the question closed as otherwise normal power users. FGITW answerers are a scourge of SO, and I think everyone here shares your frustration with them, but I don't think we can do anything with those other than VTC'ing on sight to at least prevent even more answers, sending eligible ones to SOCVR, etc
 
Raise an army of Fastest Closers in the West (FCITW).
 
technically, habitual FGITW'ers don't run afoul of the CoC, ToS, or expected behavior, so issuing suspensions to them would be unjustified and would also be very likely to create a lot of controversy too (remember the stink that rep ****** raised when they started to get mod messages for self-serving comments?)
 
Or it is fastest closers in the East?
 
10:54 AM
(+1 thing to mention in my Real Soon Now blog post, blue-sky redesigning the entire site....)
meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/353940/… huh, oddly enough there's a trending Meta post relevant to the problem
er, not trending. "Linked", from something that was on the front page.
the category of question described there is something that I often VTC as needs more focus, but that feels abusive. The underlying issue is that OP has not done the research to decompose the problem, and thus has not realized that there are multiple steps, let alone having any idea of which is the actual problem.
 
@KarlKnechtel I absolutely share your concern. A lot of times, I can even see the answers being completely wrong. The question is unclear, yes, but it at least deals with A, or B, or C, or D. And the answer tackles X. And sometimes it's wrong and yet accepted. And even if it is right, OP rarely, if ever amends the question to actually clarify how and if it applies. I've come across these when searching for a solution myself and it's infuriating that I don't know what is being solved.
 
I feel like this sort of thing used to be captured by "too localized"
 
I usually check the question to see if it matches what I am after, then check the answers. Well, if the question doesn't let me know if it's the same issue of mine or not, then the answer loses a lot of its value.
 
in at least some cases. rationale, answering the question relies on putting together an idiosyncratic combination of steps, and nobody else would have the underlying problem in the first place
 
@KarlKnechtel I'd support this. Asking a question for "how to program OS?" is a singular question but it's not really answerable in a reasonable Q&A. It's matching the old Too Broad.
 
11:00 AM
@VLAZ I feel like a lot of these questions are asked by people who are copying and pasting, and are happy to get a response with what looks like copy and pastable code, and will just ask a new question after they copy and paste that code and can't make it do the right thing
 
@KarlKnechtel Yes
 
well, "needs more focus" is, to my understanding, not actually intended to mean anything different from the old "too broad", or at least not that different
but like, there are a LOT of questions where the solution to the problem is "put together these two common techniques"
 
@KarlKnechtel Also yes. SE have been notified of the change in perception, also have been asked multiple time to change it but they neither did that, nor have they said there is any change to the close reasons.
I definitely still use "lacks focus" for question that includes multiple things even if not decomposed.
 
I feel bad when I dupe-hammer with two totally unrelated-to-each-other targets, and leave a comment saying "just do these two things"; but it's frequently efficient and gives a correct solution
 
"I want a button that sends a payment" might be a more realistic example than making an OS. Making the button is one thing, integrating with a payment gateway another, hooking these together another still. And there are multiple approaches for each of these.
 
11:04 AM
but there are some things that are really easy to do - perhaps one or two short lines of code - that nevertheless have this decomposition issue
 
Personally, I'm in favor of answering those.
 
e.g. off the top of my head: "I have a list of integers and I want to make a string with those numbers separated by spaces"
 
The fact that you could do it by combining two techniques doesn't mean there's not another way.
 
I guess. it does feel like there are judgment calls.
 
@RyanM True. I avoid dupe closing when it's just two other dupes. Because a valid answer might be, for example, "use this library which does both for you".
 
11:06 AM
but my overarching principle is that a question that deserves to remain on the site, is one that someone else could, in principle, both a) have and b) find
 
Agreed ^
 
and it often feels like the close reasons fail to capture why I believe that a given question fails that metric
which is why we keep getting calls to bring back "too localized"
I've been trying to think of ways to rehabilitate it.
 
@KarlKnechtel Frame challenge - what do we gain from this?
 
one thing I've noticed is that a lot of questions are caused by simple, idiosyncratic logic errors.
 
@KarlKnechtel Agreed, and these make terrible questions...but I can't think of a way to write the close reason that wouldn't see widespread misuse.
 
11:09 AM
@VLAZ a reduction in clutter and noise, hopefully
 
I'm asking because I've been thinking about this myself and realised it doesn't really help. Maybe we close some questions that aren't useful but some of them will gain upvotes or maybe even an answer or five and eventually would hang around forever.
 
Ultimately, people are really bad at predicting what others will find useful in the future.
 
Same as what happens now in a lot of cases.
 
then there's the whole other problem: the site's own search is poor, but google doesn't seem to care about our internal quality-rating systems
@RyanM the thing is that like 90+% of new questions seem to be "please debug this for me". And even if we do get OP to go through all the MRE steps... how often does it boil down to something interesting?
 
What I've started doing as of recently is keep a list of potential questions to delete. It has to be something that's not at all useful. "Why does my if in a loop fail" and it's a syntax error that's neither in the if nor the loop. But OP just hasn't seen it, for example.
 
11:12 AM
@KarlKnechtel the absolute worst part is all the people demanding an attempt, thus turning every potentially useful how-to question into a debugging question where they'll say "oh, you meant >=, not >"
 
Nobody should be searching for this. And people who do shouldn't find "this completely unrelated error is the problem" useful.
I collect these and post a del-pls to SOCVR if Roomba hasn't dealt with them.
 
there's that, too
 
I've been sending out moderator messages to folks posting such demands.
 
@RyanM the friction seems to be fundamental to the site design. Someone brings code because of a desire to be helped with that code
 
@KarlKnechtel I don't think so: the site is equally well-suited to asking how to do something
 
11:14 AM
sorry, I'm not explaining this well
it takes a LOT of text to get at it properly, I think.
but let's say someone has a debugging request. the question is brought in order to get the code debugged, not in order to learn something about the cause of the error. There are a few possibilities for what the bug consists of:
* there are multiple problems (probably Needs More Focus)
* there is a problem that is commonly encountered (*hopefully*, can be dupe-hammered)
* there is a simple problem that is easy to fix and OP already understands (typo, or close enough for our purposes)
* there is a simple problem that OP doesn't find simple, because of some reason idiosyncratic to that OP (???)
* there is a novel problem (possibly simple but just interesting in some way; more likely just complex and subtle) that can justify a new question
possibly additional realistic scenarios, idk.
but overall, it's really hard for something like this to even have the potential to contribute to the site. And when it does have that potential, typically it arises after OP has been frog-marched through the MRE process, and even then it might need some decontextualization in order to potentially make sense to others. Plus fixing the title etc etc.
questions that aren't seeking debugging help seem to have a considerably higher success rate.
(this is leaving aside the matter of OPs who ask "how do I [do thing that is trivial to do]?" when what they actually mean is "I wrote some code to [do trivial thing] and there was an error; please help debug" (they're usually very far off from MRE status))
@VLAZ let me counter-frame-challenge, actually. We have the roomba for a reason, yes?
 
11:49 AM
@KarlKnechtel True but it doesn't really have special rules per type of closure. Except duplicates. What I've decided for myself is to be more proactive with deletions. Because it's just too easy to get a question beyond the reach of Roomba, even if the question is crap.
An interesting sounding error message that just just a badly presented (by OP) example code can gain the question an upvote or two.
Which means that a single user is unable to get the question to Roomba.
Otherwise a close and maybe a downvote can get there.
And if a question attracts a couple of answers, it also becomes ineligible. Simple typos and duplicates can attract 5 answers in 2 minutes. I've seen it happen.
One I even rushed to close ASAP and it took me maybe a minute to do that and yet it still had two answers by the time I hammered it. Then it got another three after it was closed.
Or maybe it got 3 before and 2 after closure. At any rate, it's still around here if OP hasn't deleted it.
What I should have done is write it down, wait two days, then post a del-pls. It's what I'd do now, had it happened again and I feel the question is irredeemable.
 
12:07 PM
(how did it get answers after closure?)
(also, why not hammer it for now and also del-pls later, as an insufficient-quality signpost?)
 
@KarlKnechtel there's a grace period after closure where the no-answers rule is only enforced client-side.
 
Yep. And the grace period is something like 4-6 hours, or so.
 
(the logic behind this is...not entirely consistent)
 
I sort of get it. It's so if you've started writing an answer, you don't waste your effort. The closure notice is not very consistent, so it might have been closed for half an hour and you wouldn't notice.
With that said, it's too often simply abused.
 
@VLAZ except that if you've started an answer and the websocket is working, you do waste your effort.
 
12:10 PM
Because if you do get the notice, the submit button is disabled on the client side. You can just open devtools and remove it.
 
it doesn't matter whether it's been closed for 30 minutes or 30 seconds by the time you go to submit, your effort is still wasted.
 
12:23 PM
xD I got curious how many questions I've answered which were closed. I went to SEDE and checked if anybody had already made a query for that. And I found it! It's "Answers to closed questions for user" by jon.doe33355. Whoever that is, saved me writing my own query.
 
As a meta-meta thing: I've noticed that basically whenever I use meta.so, I keep running into high-quality observations specifically from 2013-2014. Did Something Happen around then?
(did you mean to link the query? I only have an image link)
 
Oh, if you want the query, here it is.
I was just amused that it's by Ryan an unknown author.
Uh, I have a couple of objections on some of the questions that were closed. But I hate to bring up such things, as it's ultimately I'm "involved".
To be clear, there are 48 answers of mine on closed questions.
I don't have objections to all.
 
12:53 PM
94/1586. Huh.
(There are some that I hammered after answering, because I wanted to hash out some conceptual stuff about why the existing approach failed, before pointing at standard approaches
 
1:34 PM
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Q: What does "01011" mean in the Collectives page image?

ArulkumarThere is an image on the Stack Overflow Collectives page. In the image, there are some binary codes are displayed. One of the binary codes, I'm able to convert as text is "to-do". But there is one more binary code as "01011", simply converting it to return as "11". Is there any meaning for the code

 
 
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Q: Similar questions

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Thanks for the spam, Teams
 
 
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Q: Please reconsider this known-good audit

LuuklagI failed this audit today: https://stackoverflow.com/review/close/32152758?filter-tags=hyphen The rationale for me closing, as lacks details, was that it included the error messages as an image, not even inlined, instead of as text. The community shouldn't have to type error messages over from a ...

 
 
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Q: What should I do when external search results for a missing canonical are full of misleading junk?

Karl Knechteltl;dr: There's a seemingly missing Python canonical that's a natural pair for an extremely popular canonical. The corresponding search terms turn up garbage questions; the most popular results (still not that popular) are actually misleading and unrelated. I'd be happy to get a canonical started,...

 
 
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11:33 PM
@VLAZ I hear that guy's pretty cool.
 
11:52 PM
I heard this guy's pretty colorful
 

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