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10:00 AM
I mean, the press statement did clearly state it: the CoC is not up for debate
> The disagreement stemmed from an interpretation of a certain policy, but our CoC is not up for debate.
 
@JohnDvorak we are both referring to judaism.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5193/… correct?
 
@CaptainSquirrel c.f. her answer
 
Yeah i'm re-reading that now
idk where i got the religion thing from, my bad
 
@CaptainSquirrel That one is probably referring to Caleb's post
 
I actually hadn't seen that one, must have seen a reference to it somewhere
(Thanks for the link as well, i was about to ask if you had one)
 
10:11 AM
@CaptainSquirrel You are wrong.
The objection of the mod in question was based on language problems revolving "they" for singular use. Not on religious beliefs.
 
@CaptainSquirrel Nope, wrong. It's people like me saying this will have direct consequences for religious beliefs, but the original problem was actually grammar not religion. So "beliefs" maybe but not "religious beliefs".
 
There are on topic questions about names and gender on SO: questions about how to store names in databases, etc. Those questions are likely to rise in prominence and perhaps attract unwelcome comments, especially when the new CoC is published. We should perhaps do some curation of those questions, and protect them.
 
@Raedwald That is going to be difficult without any moderators to help with it /cyn
 
Obviously there's a correlation between religious belief and social conservatism. And people assume because Monica is an observant Jew that has something to do with it.
(that's conserative as the opposite of progressive, not anything broader)
 
What if I'm both progressive and trying to respect a conservative authority who's absolutely correct in their opinions?
 
10:18 AM
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@Caleb @MadaraUchiha Yeah, i think i got some posts muddled up
 
@JohnDvorak wait, where was the promise?
 
10:33 AM
Morning!
 
Mornin'
 
Morn
 
There's something I feel the need to clarify, before it is wholly forgotten:
@E_net4theMeta-Skeptic I flagged that message, and it most definitely wasn't because of the word "tits".
There's more I'd like to say, but apparently I'm now supposed to go to Discord for that.
 
yup, thanks
 
I might do that later, if anyone cares about hearing it.
 
10:37 AM
@duplode Mo' o/
Sure, I'll read whatever you type wherever you type it
 
@NickA That's encouraging :) I'll visit that room in the evening.
 
o7 see you there
 
@AndrasDeak as far as I’m aware there isn’t one
 
that's what I was thinking, thanks
 
10:41 AM
> (This is not a binding response)
it's gossip
 
“This is not a binding response”
 
12 hours ago, by George Stocker
i said “communication”
that too
someone will probably say something somewhere
 
I can’t make promises on behalf of SE. I don’t make promises on behalf of SE.
 
perhaps the Register article is the communication :D
 
10:42 AM
@AndrasDeak Don't even joke about that, it might be true :P
 
steals Nick's popcorn
 
We had a lot of people on edge seemingly waiting for something from SE; my thought was if I could get an understanding of when it wasn’t happening, we may salvage a day or so of relative peace
 
Yeah, you're always welcome to it Zoe, it's not stealing anymore :P
 
@GeorgeStocker that sounds like you're saying you pulled that "communication" thing out of some bodypart
it's hopefully not what you're really saying
 
(Among the people. I assume SE is in full on meetings all day mode about this, but I don’t have any inside knowledge)
 
10:44 AM
@NickA Shush, you don't get to steal my fun >.>
 
<3
 
@AndrasDeak no good deed goes unpunished.
That’ll learn me to not ask questions and try to get answers for people
 
@AndrasDeak It's probably like any tentative feedback you get. Well, tentative
better then nothing
 
@GeorgeStocker Don't blame you if you get given a s**t answer
 
@GeorgeStocker you may have misunderstood me. I'm trying to help clarify assuming you were being unclear.
I'm saying what you wrote sounds like "I made up that they're going to respond to get a few days peace". If that's what you're trying to say then all's well (in the misunderstanding regard)
I just thought that's not what you were trying to say there
step 1 to deescalation is unambiguous communication
 
10:47 AM
I read it as It's definitely not happening in the next day, not "I just said won't happen in the next couple days to calm people down"
 
And that's what I think (and hope) he was trying to say. Hence my trying to clarify.
 
@AndrasDeak I hope you understand by now that accusing people of lying doesn’t really bode well for them wanting to communicate more. 😳
 
@GeorgeStocker Not doing it didn't help either
 
Not doing what?
 
@GeorgeStocker There was no accusation of lying, it was a request for clarification
 
10:50 AM
@GeorgeStocker come on now, where did I do that? I'm literally only trying to figure out what you're trying to say. And we've talked before and we didn't agree about what I thought were fundamental truths. I don't assume malicious intent anywhere, just miscommunication. But thank you, this response of yours is clarification enough.
 
hence "it's hopefully not what you're really saying"
 
6 mins ago, by Andras Deak
@GeorgeStocker that sounds like you're saying you pulled that "communication" thing out of some bodypart
 
That's not an accusation of lying
 
@GeorgeStocker to which I'd have expected "No, you're misunderstanding, SE did suggest that they are probably going release something, it's not just about me trying to defuse a situation" or something like that and be done
 
Sounds more like calling it bogus
 
10:52 AM
Guys, how about assuming good faith? No point getting insulted / annoyed about details like that.
 
Despite what I might personally think I'm making a lot of effort to be constructive. And this can't be said about some users venturing here, which is why I thought it would be helpful to clarify something that even to me looked ambiguous.
I didn't mean to imply anything, @George, so I'm sorry that that's how it came across
 
@AndrasDeak I can’t bind SE to anything. When I asked the question the answer I got is they would try to issue communication [today] or [tomorrow], with all the usual caveats that I have no understanding of what’s happening to SE inc, and my sole reason for asking is so that if people are watching with bated breath they would be able to relax a little because it wasn’t happening [yesterday]
 
That's a much better explanation, thanks for the clarification
 
> When I asked the question the answer I got
 
10:56 AM
(Dates in brackets to account for the fact that a day has passed, and those dates reflect my understanding currently)
 
that's only what I thought might be missing, thank you :)
 
I can't imagine SE will rush out a communication. We know the drama was triggered by a (draft?) new CoC. They can't add anything substantial until they can present the new CoC. Presenting a draft CoC, with the implication that people could start critiquing it on Meta, would throw even more fuel on the fire. SO they might have to wait until the final CoC text is ready.
 
Apparently the draft is non-negoitable anyway so it won't make any difference
(and you get fired for questioning it)
 
@Raedwald If it wasn't for the "not up for discussion" PR statement to the register throwing a draft CoC on meta with the intent to discuss it might've calmed things down. However, right now, in light of that, we're in agreement: not posting anything is fuel on the fire; posting a draft is also fuel on the fire.
 
@OrangeDog The final, presented as policy CoC would be non negotiable. Drafts would be up for discussion. I understand why they don't want a discussion.
 
11:01 AM
@Raedwald have you been paying attention?
we had a discussion here, for half an hour or so, and already that declined very fast
The subject they're about to alter is a hornet's nest, with giant radioactive hornets that spit acid. And in any case the motivation for the expected change is due to considerations of human dignity, which is non-negotiable. I don't see why and how they could try discussing this publicly.
And the dumpster fire is largely not about the policy, it's about how Monica was treated. So the policy itself is a bit of a red herring.
(which is also why I agree we should not discuss the policy itself here)
 
Monica questioned the draft policy. Was told it was non-negotiable. Was fired.
 
Democracy at its finest.
 
still not a democracy
 
@OrangeDog And I don't want this room shut down so we'll steer well clear of making it a topic here again
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I have no idea where the line of when questioning it might get the room shut down is and I don't intend to find out
 
yeh, I know
 
11:07 AM
Part of the additionol inforamtion in the Register article says "... when they refused to abide by our Code of Conduct (CoC) after being asked to change their behavior multiple times. The disagreement stemmed from an interpretation of a certain policy, but our CoC is not up for debate.". SE is claiming that Monica breached the current CoC. Not the draft CoC. But (from what Monica wrote) in teh context of a discussion about the new CoC.
 
Yeah, I saw that too
 
Four pinned messages. Sounds like serious business.
 
@Magisch Raedwald started it
 
We're very serious 'round 'ere
 
Ceasing
 
11:09 AM
@OrangeDog irrelevant
 
I was trying to stop it
 
okay :D
 
Er, I mean, atteeeention!
 
Someone start talking about food please.
 
How about silkie chickens
 
11:09 AM
Where are pinned messages?
 
lets discuss silkie chicken
always a great conversation topic
(not as food, but as pets)
 
@OrangeDog The star board on the right
 
I don't eat chickens when they're silkie, I only eat them when they can no longer be identified as chickens
 
I mean, it's left if you're inside the screen
 
@Magisch silkie?!
you monster
 
11:10 AM
@Magisch Sounds yu . . . ute.
 
I see 6 starred messages and 563 total. I don't see any four that are pinned.
 
@AndrasDeak D:
 
@OrangeDog the top ones where the stars have white/yellow middles are pinned
 
@OrangeDog The hollow important stars are pins, and are stuck there until an RO or a mod depins them.
 
@OrangeDog the four starred messages at the top look different from the rest right? Maybe not if you have a dark theme installed.
Darnit, I'm too slow.
 
11:12 AM
Hey, I am a very dark person.
 
Ah, thanks, that's not obvious
And/or I'm bad a counting
 
Gee, UI elements not being intuitive or obvious. What a great surprise!
It's a first, I gotta say
 
Yes, No, Cancel.
 
Sam's dark theme distinguishes them already
 
@M.A.R. UI? I'm not familiar with that chemical group.
 
11:14 AM
Uranium Iodide.
 
Pretty sure you'd need more than one I per U.
 
@M.A.R. but that's not an element :'(
@OrangeDog you just have to be really quick
 
@OrangeDog do not question my genius
 
On the plus side, U produces its own I
 
That's deep
It'd be UI6, BTW
Maybe. I don't think so.
Iodine is pretty big
 
11:16 AM
UI3 is a solid, according to wiki
 
Iodide is preeeeetty big.
 
U is bigger
 
all them electrons
 
@AndrasDeak The chemistry of the f block is pretty messed up.
QED.
@OrangeDog I'm not entirely sure about that
 
@M.A.R. what do you expect when a higher spd shell is filled before a lower f-shell? That's a recipe for madness.
 
11:18 AM
230 pm vs 140 pm
 
@OrangeDog What about iodide?
The I in UI3 would be closer to . . . Huh.
 
@M.A.R. should be roughly the same
 
Oh, no, it's not 140
It's 198, says mister Google
How many of those can you keep around? Not many.
Especially when there are intrapers . . . intraelemental issues.
 
Free iodide will be different to bound anyway
 
Boring!
 
11:25 AM
No u
 
Silkie chickens though.
 
Very yummy.
 
ha ha :)
 
I mean, I haven't ever eaten one.
But how can that face not be
 
@YvetteColomb you around? Why doesnt stack have a notification feature?
 
11:28 AM
it's not a social network
the fact that there are people using it is a coincidence
 
@DaImTo don't encourage her, it's hard enough to get her to take breaks
 
@AndrasDeak i know but this is an awesome question i dont have the answer and i would like to see any comments / answers on it.
 
I just answered your question
 
@AndrasDeak I fear that's a "problem" SO is trying to solve
 
they'd have to uproot SO main first
(and no, that's not what they've been doing, not yet anyway)
 
11:34 AM
Stack does have notifs tho...
Or are you talking about browser notifications?
 
I read it to mean direct messages or the like
 
@CaptainSquirrel i was thinking click an button then i would get the Normal SO light when there is activity on the question. Without actually having to comment on it first.
I have put in a comment now so its not really a problem anymore
 
@OrangeDog Social Overflow? Oof
 
@Zoethetransgirl Social Oof
 
11:48 AM
Social Ooferflow
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Social Ooferfloof.
 
Fluff is nice tho
 
owo
 
@M.A.R. Once I saw a cute kitten look alike cat, I went to pet the cat, it meowed. To my surprise it sounded like a 12 yo cat, in human years it's like almost 60 years old. You remind me of that cat.
 
11:59 AM
@TelKitty Uhhh, thanks. I think.
Is that good?
Or do I need to see a doctor?
Because they're pretty handy
 
@Zoethetransgirl is that why we always remove it from posts?
 
I think this is the 60-yo nag
 
I though you were one?
 

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