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@TylerH As you say, the wealth is primarily from net work of company holdings. It's not as if they could stop hoarding that; if they sold then it would mean losing control of the company and also sending really terrible signals to the market. What needs to change is the loopholes that allow them to borrow against that holding at low interest rates and avoid both income and capital gains taxes as their holding appreciates.
(look up "buy, borrow, die" wealth management. As a rule of thumb, from the descriptions I've heard, it's only worthwhile for those with net worth above 300 million or so)
 
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@KarlKnechtel A large part of the reason that this works so well is that the basis gets stepped up when it's passed down after death. Which has always struck me as bonkers: even if you accept that there are solid reasons not to incur a taxable event immediately, the basis step-up still makes no sense, as they still won't (at least in the general case) incur a taxable event until a sale occurs.
@KevinB though you can implement a consumption tax without at least the obvious version of that problem, with the extremely naive solution being that it only kicks in after X amount of consumption. There are other issues, of course, with that solution.
(including, but not limited to, the practical matter of bookkeeping)
 
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Q: wiki.ngnix.org links are broken

Journeyman GeekWhile getting nerd sniped by a random internet user, I ended up referring to a post that referenced wiki.nginx.org - which is currently broken. There's about 900 posts linking the domain. I think on a casual check, you can swap, say http://wiki.nginx.org/HttpCoreModule#location with https://nginx...

 
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06:58
@VLAZ *starts sketchily shredding documents
and sending recall notices
@starball *15 minutes ago* Ooh, I finally finished filling all the documents required to buy the moon. It took years. I think I'll go for a coffee now. To make sure the documents are safe, I'll put them on this pile of starball's documents. Surely, nobody would think to steal them from there!
*comes back with a coffee* Hey, what happened with that pile of documents?
07:19
@RyanM No, you misunderstood my point. "What percentage of developers use Linux" is more useful than "How many developers use ONLY Linux" which is what you seem to be hyper fixating on. Nobody cares about that. — Wayne Bloss 2 days ago
am I just explaining myself really badly?
I don't see how it's possible to get here from what I said.
unless you're really, really bad at statistics.
like, "your methodology is capable of concluding that 120% of a group uses Linux" bad at statistics
@WayneBloss No, I just gave a simple example to simplify the numbers. Consider a similar scenario of five people. One person uses Windows, Arch, Ubuntu, Fedora, Red Hat, and another Linux distro (that's one person using all six, not one using each); one uses Windows and Ubuntu; the other three use Windows only. The percentages are: Arch (20%), Ubuntu (40%), Fedora (20%), Red Hat (20%), Other Linux (20%), Windows (100%). You cannot add those five Linux percentages up and conclude that 120% of the group uses Linux; the correct number is 40%, because only two people used Linux. — Ryan M ♦ 6 mins ago
@RyanM Maybe the user means that SE should do the counting. Because we can't do that from the results only, we may know that 10 people use Ubuntu and 10 use Arch but you don't know the overlap. It might be 10 people total. Or 15. Or 20. While SE have the respondents and can tell us the number of Linux users, regardless of how many distros they use.
08:23
@VLAZ Actually, We can do the counting since they make the responses public. So we can download that and get the data ourselves
@AbdulAzizBarkat I was under the impression that individual respondents are not represented there, just the responses they have. So, if 5 people chose "A" and 5 people chose "B", you only get the information A: 5, B: 5. Not "3 people voted A and B, 2 voted A only, 3 voted B only".
They do have individual responses in it, let me try to find the download link.
This page has links to all download links for past surveys: survey.stackoverflow.co
If you download this years results, and open survey_results_public.csv, there's two columns for the data we're interested in "OpSysPersonal use" and "OpSysProfessional use". Each row is an individual response
And the value in these columns are semicolon separated like "MacOS;Windows"
08:49
@VLAZ shred in peace
@AbdulAzizBarkat wrong capitalization of macOS. sigh
 
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@starball ...the survey got some capitalization wrong again? I'm shocked.
"...okay, there are too many of these, I'm going to stop enumerating them specifically." don't worry. I gotchustarball Apr 20, 2023 at 22:11
for those who are not starball and want to see exactly how many they got wrong ^
My favorite, and the most relevant, being the mention of "Ipados" in the survey, which is clearly a Pokémon.
To be fair, on "MacOS", before being renamed to "macOS", it used to be "Mac OS X", which is how they capitalized it, but also there is a space and an X missing if that was what they were trying to write.
@VLAZ that also doesn't explain the bizarre-to-me assertion that I "seem to be hyper[-]fixating" on "How many developers use ONLY Linux", given that in my original hypothetical example, the number of developers who use Linux is the same as the number of developers who use ONLY Linux.
I also gave the example of myself, a user of multiple distros of Linux. In that case, the numbers would differ, but I said that the issue was "counting me 2-3 times", not counting me at all (as a developer who doesn't use only Linux).
It is unclear whether the gap in understanding is related to statistics or reading comprehension.
I suspect it's statistics? Given the completely wrong assertion that "we have to add up all of the Linux distribution scores to point out that developers are largely using Linux more than either Windows or macOS"?
And if you're firmly convinced you're right about your completely incorrect understanding of statistics, then you're going to wildly misinterpret other people's statistics-related statements as well, no matter how accurately you read the words.
 
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@KarlKnechtel yep, exactly as I said :-)
> coupled with a law that bans using shares of a company as collateral or valuation for financial instruments of any kind. You wanna benefit from it? Sell it.
That would solve them being able to still retain 'control' of a company and prevent them from benefiting unfairly from it financially
We also need a law (would be nice if it were retroactive but that's practically impossible) that prevents privately held equity from being used for a Roth IRA. That's how Peter Thiel got so rich. Maybe they already closed that loophole
@RyanM yeah, and in the US, Republicans have successfully won the culture war by naming the estate tax the 'death' tax and lobbied government at the federal and state level to hamstring it and in some cases do away with it altogether. Generational wealth is a hell of a drug.
 
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Q: Why was this flag to remove an answer declined?

j08691I flagged this answer for moderator attention because a) it's only a link and b) the link is dead and there's no wayback archive for it. Yet, the flag was declined. Why?

17:07
@RyanM alolan zapdos
17:22
@RyanM and before that it was Mac OS n, e.g. 9 or whatever
17:54
System 7?
 
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@aynber System OS or whatever before Mac OS 7, yeah
My first experience as a kid was w/ Mac OS 8, so basically anything before that I never knew about
I started with System 7
which was Mac OS 7

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